From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 04 17:10:12 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2020 21:10:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34153 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jViLs-0007Js-Bo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 17:10:12 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:57058) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jViLp-0007Jk-U9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 17:10:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41266) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jViLp-0002Xw-P5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 17:10:09 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:59940) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jViLo-0006gx-7W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 17:10:09 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 044L9UUl097831 for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 21:10:02 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=vs6J3iYq6k9LG3t0/FpBqoCMxWLFYRJ0IwwDkTLTmNY=; b=Eh+8q3jb0ZnyBA17VrMrhpA3bxbvtasd7oQiqOsSiYYeZkXU27PEp26yi/KJkEIWgEp1 twqerV2vyGXMTg2Q/m0O/H0qvsB437MWTT1QFqchl3TA3vM8fyyQ1mSnsd0J9saNLgg6 ll3KuIgYdGyZl0IdR/vlxMGIUZDljAHKIoL0SGFV1k/R0xIcd0XDk47yxt8m9PS2ilh7 fDgcLv+v1K7yjGbwACD9teubTqfzn6Z7MRrP7M+FIyBDKck1plxZcyYsqUpecILv1W2q Q5CqYkyXdE3RD+896jSk1qNweriwMm8vTKS8mCdnfnkLJUxs7REzHpdEo8pN1ydU5yTz fg== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30s0tm9ccv-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 04 May 2020 21:10:02 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 044L6nJK006065 for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 21:08:01 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30sjjwur6q-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 04 May 2020 21:08:01 +0000 Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 044L80BN014502 for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 21:08:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 14:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9611 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005040165 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9611 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 priorityscore=1501 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005040165 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=141.146.126.78; envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=aserp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/04 17:10:02 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) NEWS says this: ** Minibuffer +++ *** A new user option, 'minibuffer-beginning-of-buffer-movement', has been introduced to allow controlling how the 'M-<' command works in the minibuffer. If non-nil, point will move to the end of the prompt (if point is after the end of the prompt). +++ *** When the minibuffer is active, echo-area messages are displayed at the end of the minibuffer instead of hiding the minibuffer by the echo area display. The new user option 'minibuffer-message-clear-timeout' controls how messages displayed in this situation are removed from the minibuffer. --- *** Minibuffer now uses 'minibuffer-message' to display error messages at the end of the active minibuffer. +++ *** 'y-or-n-p' now uses the minibuffer to read 'y' or 'n' answer. --- *** Some commands that previously used 'read-char-choice' now read a character using the minibuffer by 'read-char-from-minibuffer'. Emacs 27 is unfortunately _totally_ unusable for me. Cannot do the slightest thing. I think that some of the problems come from the changes to minibuffer and echo-area behavior. Regardless of whether that is the case, I want to undo those changes. Is there an option for that? (I hope so.) If not, what changes do I need to make from Lisp, to get back the prior behavior? In GNU Emacs 27.0.91 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2020-04-20 Repository revision: c36c5a3dedbb2e0349be1b6c3b7567ea7b594f1c Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 04 22:23:29 2020 Received: (at 41087) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2020 02:23:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34375 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnF2-000325-V4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:23:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49330) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnF0-00031q-SO for 41087@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:23:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45013) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnEo-0007U6-IV; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:23:14 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4702 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVnEn-0001Kb-OF; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:23:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 05:22:58 +0300 Message-Id: <83lfm7m871.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 4 May 2020 14:07:59 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 14:07:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > Emacs 27 is unfortunately _totally_ unusable for me. Cannot do the > slightest thing. Please provide at least some examples of the difficulties. It's hard to say anything intelligent without that much. > I think that some of the problems come from the changes to minibuffer > and echo-area behavior. Regardless of whether that is the case, I want > to undo those changes. Is there an option for that? (I hope so.) If > not, what changes do I need to make from Lisp, to get back the prior > behavior? The NEWS mentions a few variables that should allow you to do that, but without knowing what you want to undo, it is hard to say more. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 05 00:35:19 2020 Received: (at 41087) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2020 04:35:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34438 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVpId-0006al-1c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 00:35:19 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:51762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVpIX-0006aH-Il for 41087@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 00:35:17 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0454XjU4167128; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:35:07 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=8SxX0InDRsIgYoT/zgB8BxhMwn/47cijd2upJPX1DWc=; b=OVLuwIvLvHMlNiNRSRTz+4ElMsdUtzmeGRf55qU/0OdG8qmGI7+dXYl92g21dQKp3yfB +k9EZCkgZJJv2f8jyOmdbrd2QUwYl3UdFXNLxDAhYlTm6muFa8HGbi25S8qzlASBEd+i f+Rrb/cWmZAa1fSf03bqDNm+OynTNjmm/xadu9+vV9tbHpLbD/vfz6Mr6zaT/xTG/D0T qXskgUhWIARGNFxJ7GXH7lP2FWl2ZS7e5E1hDfad9b9xdzebSUis4VfgsI0tkdjjIhHr R0EcMLgW4tFRamqORnMyaGcz3ct468ZCPLExgq94Wl7BA9F1XEn3HaI3UCC4ZUpb333L oA== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30s0tmae6c-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 05 May 2020 04:35:07 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0454VM4e141744; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:35:07 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30sjnd3p4q-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 05 May 2020 04:35:07 +0000 Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0454Z6iO003936; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:35:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: <> <<83lfm7m871.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83lfm7m871.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9611 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050036 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9611 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 priorityscore=1501 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050036 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Emacs 27 is unfortunately _totally_ unusable for me. Cannot do the > > slightest thing. >=20 > Please provide at least some examples of the difficulties. It's hard > to say anything intelligent without that much. I can't at this point. I simply can't use it at all. It will take a very long time, I expect, to figure anything out about it. I spent quite a while in the Lisp debugger today, and didn't scratch the surface. I don't have time for this now, I'm afraid. I'll have to hope that others encounter problems that are related and later I'll perhaps get a pretest candidate that I can use to further find out what's wrong. If no one else runs into related problems then I'll have to get into it at some point, no doubt. But I likely won't have the time to do that for quite a while. I don't want this to be the end of my use of Emacs (e.g. staying forever with 26.3), but that might need to be the case. > > I think that some of the problems come from the changes to minibuffer > > and echo-area behavior. I really don't know that, so ignore that thought. I do want to undo such changes, but I don't have a clue whether they might be causing deeper problems. > > Regardless of whether that is the case, I want > > to undo those changes. Is there an option for that? (I hope so.) If > > not, what changes do I need to make from Lisp, to get back the prior > > behavior? >=20 > The NEWS mentions a few variables that should allow you to do that, > but without knowing what you want to undo, it is hard to say more. I didn't notice such variables. Anyway, I'll worry about that later, and just assume for now that it's not at the root of the bigger problems I have. But yes, I don't want minibuffer-message replacing messge whenever the minibuffer is active, etc. I want the echo area as it was and minibuffer-message and message as they were. I realize that this bug report doesn't help anything at this point. I guess the message for now is that my Emacs is completely broken - can't even begin to use it for anything. In particular, my *Completions* buffer is shown in a separate frame, whose focus is redirected to the minibuffer. That's essentially broken now. There seems to be some additional handle-switch-frame, which breaks that relation somehow (?), so typing in the minibuffer, and then hitting TAB, which pops up the *Completions* frame, takes input focus away from the minibuffer frame (and gives it to the *Completions* frame, which is read-only). My setup works with each Emacs release, from 20 to 26. I know this is all very vague. Sorry. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 05 10:23:35 2020 Received: (at 41087) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2020 14:23:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36986 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVyTv-0008Ts-CH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 10:23:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55764) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVyTt-0008Tf-Q9 for 41087@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 10:23:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55193) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVyTo-0001RD-H1; Tue, 05 May 2020 10:23:28 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4557 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVyTn-0007DW-DH; Tue, 05 May 2020 10:23:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 17:23:07 +0300 Message-Id: <83bln2mpf8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 4 May 2020 21:35:05 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: <> <<83lfm7m871.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:35:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Emacs 27 is unfortunately _totally_ unusable for me. Cannot do the > > > slightest thing. > > > > Please provide at least some examples of the difficulties. It's hard > > to say anything intelligent without that much. > > I can't at this point. I simply can't use it at all. > It will take a very long time, I expect, to figure > anything out about it. I spent quite a while in the > Lisp debugger today, and didn't scratch the surface. Well, hopefully you will be able to tell more at some point. Otherwise we cannot do anything with this bug report. > But yes, I don't want minibuffer-message replacing > messge whenever the minibuffer is active, etc. I > want the echo area as it was and minibuffer-message > and message as they were. These two sentences seem to contradict each other. The first says that you want the new feature in Emacs 27, the second says that you don't want it. 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[99.230.38.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j90sm1969521qte.20.2020.05.05.07.57.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 05 May 2020 07:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 10:57:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 4 May 2020 14:07:59 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > I think that some of the problems come from the changes to minibuffer > and echo-area behavior. Regardless of whether that is the case, I want > to undo those changes. Is there an option for that? (I hope so.) If > not, what changes do I need to make from Lisp, to get back the prior > behavior? Here's my guesses (none tested) about each item you list. Of course, these particular may or may not be the cause of your troubles (whatever they are). > ** Minibuffer > > +++ > *** A new user option, 'minibuffer-beginning-of-buffer-movement', has > been introduced to allow controlling how the 'M-<' command works in > the minibuffer. If non-nil, point will move to the end of the prompt > (if point is after the end of the prompt). AFAICT, this one is already disabled by default (i.e., minibuffer-beginning-of-buffer-movement is nil by default). > +++ > *** When the minibuffer is active, echo-area messages are displayed at > the end of the minibuffer instead of hiding the minibuffer by the echo > area display. The new user option 'minibuffer-message-clear-timeout' > controls how messages displayed in this situation are removed from the > minibuffer. (setq set-message-function nil) (setq clear-message-function nil) [485b423e8f0]: 2019-12-22 00:02:10 +0200 New variable set-message-function to show message at the end of the minibuffer https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=485b423e8f0df2711a850be7f254665f64ab0bdb > --- > *** Minibuffer now uses 'minibuffer-message' to display error messages > at the end of the active minibuffer. (remove-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook 'minibuffer-error-initialize) [2aae0630552]: 2019-06-03 23:27:19 +0300 User-friendly display of error messages at the end of minibuffer https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=2aae063055283ee64ecf339c812a1fe6d1cb106e> > +++ > *** 'y-or-n-p' now uses the minibuffer to read 'y' or 'n' answer. You'd have to evaluate the old lisp code of y-or-n-p. [a26a8cc1c85]: 2019-11-10 00:04:13 +0200 'y-or-n-p' now uses the minibuffer to read 'y' or 'n' answer (bug#38076) https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=a26a8cc1c85f29fb11209c16d53a8ae4e4ab7ced > --- > *** Some commands that previously used 'read-char-choice' now read > a character using the minibuffer by 'read-char-from-minibuffer'. You'd have to evaluate the old lisp of files--ask-user-about-large-file and hack-local-variables-confirm. [027f218ad22]: 2019-11-10 00:32:09 +0200 hack-local-variables-confirm uses the minibuffer to read answer (bug#38076) https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=027f218ad227c3966df94b22566c2e89a307362d From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 05 13:48:54 2020 Received: (at 41087) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2020 17:48:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37328 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jW1gb-0006Kz-Ss for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 13:48:54 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:59464) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jW1ga-0006Kf-AX for 41087@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 13:48:52 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 045Hm2tS156444; Tue, 5 May 2020 17:48:46 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=R09wLZh1jylFeFly+8R2Ym829bM+QmSfX3fSM80EbOc=; b=pm3jCCMfrYSUppZrHOOLEzlJEyHyMsV88yvxD7RX+EOqdwzlN2sMK89CujTsZQAMY0eq AAVLU37ujZodDpb+eRZVdMerwQZ4LhDZ4Homwdc5V8uOgWNg4x4hGOJvpLOt4L/dCqWz l6Db+FSIh97JFPxMX3HcSthbd9msZOF9YEXoxpM2le/yAeAF3y13UnbEYk2ko7YSjomO +twX+EuhryqFCZMEoLsoCq0DZjlo4bi9F+gHevunFuP/FN/IXQ5jfBnqiYwS/CktbX27 GUdqhB9rMnqPi0Tg1E1uQCdC+BLpWNZ5JRGHybxw7UfnJwGbJ730WyrQhCEML2bVF6k4 lA== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30s1gn62he-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 05 May 2020 17:48:46 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 045Hke7l072929; Tue, 5 May 2020 17:46:45 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30sjk0782g-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 05 May 2020 17:46:45 +0000 Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 045HkhYj029324; Tue, 5 May 2020 17:46:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7667cd9c-eeec-41f7-bf11-44f864a67bc2@default> Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 10:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: <<>> <<<83lfm7m871.fsf@gnu.org>>> <> <<83bln2mpf8.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83bln2mpf8.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9612 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050135 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9612 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050135 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > But yes, I don't want minibuffer-message replacing > > message whenever the minibuffer is active, etc. I > > want the echo area as it was and minibuffer-message > > and message as they were. >=20 > These two sentences seem to contradict each other. The first says > that you want the new feature in Emacs 27, the second says that you > don't want it. No, they both say I don't want it. I want the previous behavior, not the new behavior. No automatic conversion of `message' to `minibuffer-message' just because the minibuffer is active [1st sentence]. Echo area as it was before, minibuffer as it was before, `message' and `minibuffer-message' as they were before [2nd sentence]. 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References: <85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9612 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050138 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9612 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050138 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > I think that some of the problems come from the changes to minibuffer > > and echo-area behavior. Regardless of whether that is the case, I > > want to undo those changes. Is there an option for that? (I hope so.) > > If not, what changes do I need to make from Lisp, to get back the prior > > behavior? >=20 > Here's my guesses (none tested) about each item you list. Of course, > these particular may or may not be the cause of your troubles (whatever > they are). Thanks, Noam, for going to all the trouble you did. I'll try them, at least once I get past the main problem of minibuffer input-focus loss. > > *** A new user option, 'minibuffer-beginning-of-buffer-movement', has > > been introduced to allow controlling how the 'M-<' command works in > > the minibuffer. If non-nil, point will move to the end of the prompt > > (if point is after the end of the prompt). >=20 > AFAICT, this one is already disabled by default (i.e., > minibuffer-beginning-of-buffer-movement is nil by default). I doubt that's related. But OK. BTW, why a user option for that? Why not just bind `M-<' to a different command in the minibuffer maps? (Doesn't matter to me. Just wondering.) > > *** When the minibuffer is active, echo-area messages are displayed > > at the end of the minibuffer instead of hiding the minibuffer by the > > echo area display. The new user option 'minibuffer-message-clear-timeo= ut' > > controls how messages displayed in this situation are removed from > > the minibuffer. I saw that. I'll take a closer look, but a priori I'm not interested in controlling _HOW_ msgs are displayed in this situation (the situation being that they're shown automatically, at the end of the minibuffer). I'm interested in not having that situation at all - not how they're displayed at the end of the minibuffer but how to not have that happen at all. I want the old behavior (since Emacs Day One). > (setq set-message-function nil) > (setq clear-message-function nil) Thanks; that's probably it. If it is, I think NEWS should say explicitly that setting these to nil removes the new behavior of "When the minibuffer is active, echo-area messages are ...". That is, section "** Minibuffer" should tell you how to revert to the previous Emacs behavior. In particular, where it says this: "Minibuffer now uses 'minibuffer-message' to display error messages at the end of the active minibuffer." it should tell you how to disable that new behavior. (And isn't it about all echo-area messages, not just "error messages"?) > New variable set-message-function to show message at the end of the > minibuffer >=20 > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git > /commit/?id=3D485b423e8f0df2711a850be7f254665f64ab0bdb__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!L > G_VudrPxJ8CU6VhuvBVOW0-LlUGAuEG9l125HX6QQ9ReoJg1Gg3NCe430S9TyOY$ Great; thanks. It would be good for the NEWS mention of that variable to link to the manual explanation. > > *** Minibuffer now uses 'minibuffer-message' to display error > > messages at the end of the active minibuffer. >=20 > (remove-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook 'minibuffer-error-initialize) Good. Pity there's not a simple user option to revert the new behavior. And it would be good for NEWS to explicitly show all such code for reverting this echo-area msgs change in one place. > User-friendly display of error messages at the end of minibuffer >=20 > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git > /commit/?id=3D2aae063055283ee64ecf339c812a1fe6d1cb106e__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!L > G_VudrPxJ8CU6VhuvBVOW0-LlUGAuEG9l125HX6QQ9ReoJg1Gg3NCe43zpNUlIi$ Thanks. I do recall lots of traffic in the bug list about Juri's proposed changes. I expressed my disagreement in detail at the time, to no avail. But if it's easy enough to revert them all then that's great, and all one can ask for, I guess. I do think the doc, and NEWS, could help by clearly saying how to revert the changes. Maybe it does so sufficiently; I haven't studied it. > >=20 > > +++ > > *** 'y-or-n-p' now uses the minibuffer to read 'y' or 'n' answer. >=20 > You'd have to evaluate the old lisp code of y-or-n-p. >=20 > [a26a8cc1c85]: 2019-11-10 00:04:13 +0200 > 'y-or-n-p' now uses the minibuffer to read 'y' or 'n' answer > (bug#38076) >=20 > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git > /commit/?id=3Da26a8cc1c85f29fb11209c16d53a8ae4e4ab7ced__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!L > G_VudrPxJ8CU6VhuvBVOW0-LlUGAuEG9l125HX6QQ9ReoJg1Gg3NCe438q6MbCM$ >=20 > > --- > > *** Some commands that previously used 'read-char-choice' now read > > a character using the minibuffer by 'read-char-from-minibuffer'. >=20 > You'd have to evaluate the old lisp of files--ask-user-about-large-file > and hack-local-variables-confirm. >=20 > [027f218ad22]: 2019-11-10 00:32:09 +0200 > hack-local-variables-confirm uses the minibuffer to read answer > (bug#38076) >=20 > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git > /commit/?id=3D027f218ad227c3966df94b22566c2e89a307362d__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!L > G_VudrPxJ8CU6VhuvBVOW0-LlUGAuEG9l125HX6QQ9ReoJg1Gg3NCe436x220-7$ >=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 12 18:59:52 2020 Received: (at 41087-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2020 22:59:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYdsN-0004YU-Mj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 18:59:51 -0400 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:57911) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYdsM-0004Y2-7k for 41087-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 18:59:50 -0400 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-104-245.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.104.245]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14128240007; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:59:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com> <1b1632e1-2669-44c3-b6c1-1d8da519a91b@default> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 01:50:22 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1b1632e1-2669-44c3-b6c1-1d8da519a91b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 5 May 2020 11:10:39 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87tv0klsvt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087-done Cc: 41087-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I do think the doc, and NEWS, could help by > clearly saying how to revert the changes. Maybe > it does so sufficiently; I haven't studied it. There are a lot of such preprocessing lines in your libraries (< emacs-major-version 23) (= emacs-major-version 24) so you could add something like (>= emacs-major-version 27) to handle changes in Emacs 27. Since NEWS describes how to get back a previous behavior, I'm closing this report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 12 19:57:02 2020 Received: (at 41087-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2020 23:57:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56888 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYeli-000687-D2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 19:57:02 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:53418) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYelh-00067d-Ac for 41087-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 19:57:01 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04CNr6ZS057603; Tue, 12 May 2020 23:56:53 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=XTRHhdRhXVnzTeW4jiJQXLz5Ssiwu4tq+041Xnz4QgE=; b=xjMmO6u+CgfqvxzeGb7UkVkMotwt9IFklkMZI0QrnQnabqa02BQ9ZMJZ4X8TBYAZfeHt dMqX3jNy4IcLSsRFkIHgmjauKF2LjyKbpYPLB8DFSbg0ZM9EBW+Zzlo3WYuzgSnuiB7q HDaDDLIgCxirr1r0Kl6+jNPdRIubZ5dITMj/r+ryA9IHHV+M5JiQMzmVB5NpH1fc1z7Z UYjuA9VuCBVLqgZfzyaKanrF991/kZiiGLXMVL7P2lDgkWEuEVUUCzPv4AFuHXWj4j3a HDump8Ov2oLyfsTdvJ7K6qyI6DsXYo5bks3dDxlHvmxKVlqZcbZ0m6YpoEpfZ8AD9V2L Vw== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3100xw99na-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 May 2020 23:56:53 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04CNrn9K064899; Tue, 12 May 2020 23:56:53 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3100y9by0q-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 May 2020 23:56:53 +0000 Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 04CNunSq007892; Tue, 12 May 2020 23:56:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4575d23f-e3b5-4c44-8907-5ba8324dec91@default> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Juri Linkov Subject: RE: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: <85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com> <1b1632e1-2669-44c3-b6c1-1d8da519a91b@default> <87tv0klsvt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <87tv0klsvt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9619 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005120178 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9619 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 clxscore=1011 cotscore=-2147483648 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005120178 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087-done Cc: 41087-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > I do think the doc, and NEWS, could help by > > clearly saying how to revert the changes. Maybe > > it does so sufficiently; I haven't studied it. >=20 > There are a lot of such preprocessing lines in your libraries >=20 > (< emacs-major-version 23) > (=3D emacs-major-version 24) >=20 > so you could add something like >=20 > (>=3D emacs-major-version 27) >=20 > to handle changes in Emacs 27. >=20 > Since NEWS describes how to get back a previous behavior, > I'm closing this report. I'm not interested in excluding Emacs 27 from all my libraries. 1. I'm interested in being able to use Emacs 27 myself, which is impossible now, because of (at least) the loss of frame focus problem - the main reason I filed the bug. 2. No, NEWS does not describe anything about this. It may describe how to reverse some of the other changes I mentioned - the ones Eli spoke to. Answers to those other problems, which I'm guessing is what you're referring to, do not respond to this bug - which shouldn't be closed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 12 22:11:51 2020 Received: (at 41087-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2020 02:11:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYgsA-0001FZ-0a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:11:51 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:56166) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYgs7-0001FJ-Qb for 41087-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:11:48 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04D28iVS025624; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:11:42 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=3aG2itTuNAW1ZV20CdoFQWhV68WVQfZTxwsUPJG6l8E=; b=if9F8z7266Kzl3JBAWGUyBBmQLlWW30n8qSnH6t2uYjtrQDQ4jAlUEz/kUcoQhrU6wab /spyYRSIyHlsMAC6HqiMT37GNgEWAhXK8om4eye/yNxU7Al88kao50IJWR2h2yfQSX0O CvsMrXBMbRau8JMqjVuIJrlS/2fRibANiO+HuBiHtxBLX/qJi4NKfFvZ3QjpGNL3oSY+ dgvUIszy0asiMRj/dalnURqp1GCEsjQWdH/a4v/9biq2VeZTSSfafMlGGiqfOYwtH/SI j7WX+65vBOdVbU2BZOKzD36VEc1k0wjnUx4ssucN8CuWSgzQdS6Od0sJ/PmytqS4Q1sa qA== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3100yfsk5p-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 May 2020 02:11:42 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04D28TXU051215; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:09:41 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3100yk27c9-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 May 2020 02:09:41 +0000 Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 04D29Y5v024724; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:09:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <507dfaa6-454c-4ee4-8064-c9d30b980068@default> Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 19:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Juri Linkov Subject: RE: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: <85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com> <1b1632e1-2669-44c3-b6c1-1d8da519a91b@default> <87tv0klsvt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4575d23f-e3b5-4c44-8907-5ba8324dec91@default> In-Reply-To: <4575d23f-e3b5-4c44-8907-5ba8324dec91@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9619 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005130017 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9619 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 adultscore=0 cotscore=-2147483648 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005130017 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087-done Cc: 41087-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > 2. No, NEWS does not describe anything about this. > It may describe how to reverse some of the other > changes I mentioned - the ones Eli spoke to. ^^^ Noam > Answers to those other problems, which I'm guessing > is what you're referring to, do not respond to this > bug - which shouldn't be closed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 12 22:26:11 2020 Received: (at 41087) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2020 02:26:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56996 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYh63-0001dX-OS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:26:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45420) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYh62-0001dK-Jc for 41087@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:26:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55595) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYh5w-0001Bq-Ld; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:26:04 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2126 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYh5v-0005U3-Ud; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:26:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 05:25:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83r1vo7eqe.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: <4575d23f-e3b5-4c44-8907-5ba8324dec91@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 12 May 2020 16:56:48 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: <85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com> <1b1632e1-2669-44c3-b6c1-1d8da519a91b@default> <87tv0klsvt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <4575d23f-e3b5-4c44-8907-5ba8324dec91@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:56:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 41087-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > 2. No, NEWS does not describe anything about this. You are looking at a stale version of NEWS. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 12 22:38:52 2020 Received: (at 41087) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2020 02:38:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57002 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYhIJ-00022T-Qh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:38:51 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:42938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYhIG-00022C-H1 for 41087@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 22:38:50 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04D2Wadf054599; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:38:42 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=SjaTfvlVBWhdmvFHvBtxMe1h9zkHQeUoSG4VRynwXnU=; b=LQSseZtpoG4J92HFPLVegxkzadRjMpAl7RJhAh7pqt65NgVzMzrQEsJ6ZOxcKrMN6iY9 IL1O9mmQ9gkxgbd8NDvs9z1aBM01LmsKMaJnjcnAuU1dayTv5dd2vbU7JMnpFLhGgbix BWgT2/Oi9Vrs13d5JW1p9DJDlGF0u1UfmCAyTMFu9seMUtAToVqKyPH/ReLy4gjXkiD8 GFDTQ0qcF85DJhbJZtxGHisfsPn9An7HNrnSGk3xAqXf1n69BEf5S8dboLbKFg59QFsU ol+pifpUBsYl+0iXp5JFln5DhqfnMgOi8bthOoKTcnLd1tM6dNb7Q4mR4RxNsL2rTOZ5 qA== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3100yfsn07-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 May 2020 02:38:42 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04D2Xpti076610; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:36:42 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3100y9kr11-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 May 2020 02:36:41 +0000 Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 04D2aenK001130; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:36:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: <> <<85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com>> <<1b1632e1-2669-44c3-b6c1-1d8da519a91b@default>> <<87tv0klsvt.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<4575d23f-e3b5-4c44-8907-5ba8324dec91@default>> <<83r1vo7eqe.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83r1vo7eqe.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9619 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005130021 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9619 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 adultscore=0 cotscore=-2147483648 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005130021 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > 2. No, NEWS does not describe anything about this. >=20 > You are looking at a stale version of NEWS. All I have is the pretest. By "this" I was referring to the problems I have with loss of minibuffer-frame focus (as opposed to the minibuffer-message etc. stuff of #1). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 13 10:49:02 2020 Received: (at 41087) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2020 14:49:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59055 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYsgw-0004rN-LL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:49:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYsgv-0004qs-5H for 41087@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:49:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38635) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYsgp-0007BJ-Ke; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:48:55 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3678 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYsgo-00070T-0W; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:48:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 17:48:36 +0300 Message-Id: <83h7wj7uwr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 12 May 2020 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? References: <> <<85imhah1kt.fsf@gmail.com>> <<1b1632e1-2669-44c3-b6c1-1d8da519a91b@default>> <<87tv0klsvt.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<4575d23f-e3b5-4c44-8907-5ba8324dec91@default>> <<83r1vo7eqe.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41087 Cc: 41087@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: juri@linkov.net, 41087@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > 2. No, NEWS does not describe anything about this. > > > > You are looking at a stale version of NEWS. > > All I have is the pretest. The current version in Git is easily accessible via Savannah, I recall showing you the way several times. > By "this" I was referring to the problems I have with loss of > minibuffer-frame focus (as opposed to the minibuffer-message > etc. stuff of #1). Since you couldn't produce a reasonably detailed description of "this", I see no way to make any progress here. You can always reopen a bug if you later have the details that would help us diagnose and fix it. From unknown Sat Sep 13 12:32:37 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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