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([2a00:f41:1c06:f238:99fb:4405:c5e6:af4b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w18sm5624824wrn.55.2020.05.01.13.19.23 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 01 May 2020 13:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 22:19:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BBAB23A0FF504989AE5D3168" Content-Language: en-GB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::330; envelope-from=mrsebastianurban@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x330.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::330 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BBAB23A0FF504989AE5D3168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello list, I would like to suggest adding a release date to the title page of PDF version of the Emacs manual. Five variants below, are all simple change in EMACS.TEXI, and all would show date under the "EDITION Edition, Updated for Emacs Version VERSION" line on the title page (example in attached picture). First one would show date in "12 April 2018" format: ================================================== @center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}. +@sp 1 +@center @today{} @sp 5 @center Richard Stallman et al. ================================================== Second one would show date in "April 2018" format: ================================================== @center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}. +@sp 1 +@tex +\center % +\ifcase\month % +\or January \or February \or March \or April \or May \or June % +\or July \or August \or September \or October \or November \or December % +\fi\number\year +@end tex @sp 5 @center Richard Stallman et al. ================================================== Third on would show date in "2018" format ================================================== @center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}. +@sp 1 +@center @inlineraw{tex, \the\year} @sp 5 @center Richard Stallman et al. ================================================== Fourth - "4, 2018" (4=month) - setting is similar to 3rd method above. Fifth - using @set and @value, just like in case of EDITION or EMACSVER. Variants 1-4 are automated, printed date is the date of system (OS) when the compilation happened, 5th - I guess - can be automated. Personally, I prefer 2nd variant, i.e. "April 2018", as in example. S. 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debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jUlHK-0006IQ-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 02:05:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38590) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jUlHI-0006IE-Fh for 41009@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 02:05:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50510) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUlHD-0007aZ-8T; Sat, 02 May 2020 02:05:27 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2012 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jUlHC-0000CX-Aq; Sat, 02 May 2020 02:05:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 09:05:16 +0300 Message-Id: <83ees2vplv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> (message from Sebastian Urban on Fri, 1 May 2020 22:19:25 +0200) References: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 22:19:25 +0200 > > I would like to suggest adding a release date to the title page of PDF > version of the Emacs manual. Five variants below, are all simple > change in EMACS.TEXI, and all would show date under the "EDITION > Edition, Updated for Emacs Version VERSION" line on the title page > (example in attached picture). Is it customary to show release dates on printed books? I don't think I see that on title pages of a few books I tried. And how will the "release date" be defined, and by whom? 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[89.161.2.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m23sm4487871ljb.87.2020.05.02.12.52.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 May 2020 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> <83ees2vplv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: <53ffddda-f73e-e13f-7aff-9d5a4d4f701f@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 21:52:09 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83ees2vplv.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Is it customary to show release dates on printed books? I don't > think I see that on title pages of a few books I tried. Strange... Not 100% of them will have it, but the date should usually be there. Maybe it depends on country or/and trends? Look for example at PDF of Texinfo or Bash or LaTeX2e unofficial ref manual, although they are not printed. N.b. printed books usually have some dates on the next page (copyright page?) after title page. Informations "who wrote", "what wrote", "release number", "who published", "when published", should be on title page in my opinion. > And how will the "release date" be defined, and by whom? By someone who builds official release of Emacs manual - his OS date, if I understand correctly how it works, will be printed there. If we want more control then @set - @value pair should be used. S. U. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 20:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41009 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 41009@debbugs.gnu.org, Sebastian Urban Received: via spool by 41009-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41009.158844991411281 (code B ref 41009); Sat, 02 May 2020 20:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 41009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 May 2020 20:05:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jUyNu-0002vt-9a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 16:05:14 -0400 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:58102) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jUyNs-0002vd-Sq for 41009@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 16:05:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0uYc9/ikbsK8lwq1t8yAkKEcV3FwQWKIvtYklrofxwM=; b=eAdwLxT4xekcAIJBSHH4qfNd5Z lJkOQmM18tHeVrRqXDzVff6vnD4NhH241UW9wYr9gx/83GGya4bRIFChTOTPFD6AflozMvtVX+nCg Mqwr4nLTGb+TrH9l8MstHktJsiidrn6KpbQla0/VG353YUCDBr+dKLA89a24ptznZTy0Gikgozceb 9CBIPP3L22sf+Ujip2ljmQakJpmvano3lu8bYKekx3/6ntXp4GVJ9zisqfY3XaoQ8ovl4gBqma0tU afhcvQoRoJ+5JHHnZMXKJ6BE4URUJ8ExKfkJAfM8c3We9O9MSC4clTcfn+ctAnDGd/JA5VPW5PYZF gSngtGiw==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:56418 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jUyNm-000KFx-4C; Sat, 02 May 2020 16:05:06 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83ees2vplv.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 02 May 2020 09:05:16 +0300") References: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> <83ees2vplv.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 22:05:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87d07m3xxr.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Sebastian Urban >> Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 22:19:25 +0200 >> >> I would like to suggest adding a release date to the title page of PDF >> version of the Emacs manual. Five variants below, are all simple >> change in EMACS.TEXI, and all would show date under the "EDITION >> Edition, Updated for Emacs Version VERSION" line on the title page >> (example in attached picture). > > Is it customary to show release dates on printed books? I don't think > I see that on title pages of a few books I tried. Not as a general rule, I don't think. But I don't think we should be too bound by that. Such details can vary widely depending on the subject matter and also by publisher. So I think we should feel free to decide on a standard that works best for us. For example, and I don't necessarily say that this is what we should do, we could just stipulate that a printed Emacs manual (or pdf, etc.) will have the same date as the release date of the Emacs version it is for: "GNU Emacs 27.1, released on 2020-05-15". > And how will the "release date" be defined, and by whom? Maybe we could ask the FSF if they have a standard for this, and then follow that? They are the ones doing the print editions, after all. There is also the question of who updates the date and when. That part should probably be automated so we don't accidentally ship an Emacs version where the manual has an old date -- in which case no date is clearly better. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 17:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41009 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sebastian Urban Cc: 41009@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41009-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41009.158852727011435 (code B ref 41009); Sun, 03 May 2020 17:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 41009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2020 17:34:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57966 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVIVa-0002yN-28 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 13:34:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49268) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVIVY-0002yA-J7 for 41009@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 13:34:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57268) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVIVT-0003xh-9m; Sun, 03 May 2020 13:34:23 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVIVP-00061s-OW; Sun, 03 May 2020 13:34:20 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> X-Spook: White House sniper cracking Abu Sayyaf Collapse X-Ran: ,Q`Wz)^a0bb_y3>\pRXNx3G>=35_J"1*{a3eJd3tq\(?E:Gw&P]lU-dguTz7W (Sebastian Urban's message of "Fri, 1 May 2020 22:19:25 +0200") Message-ID: <4uy2q8ly7b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) @today is just the date someone runs TeX. It has no significance as to (eg) when content was last updated. I don't know what "release date" means to you. If you mean when the FSF produce a published version, only they could add that date, and it would not be known at the time of the associated Emacs release. If you mean when the associated Emacs was released, then I don't see why that date should be added, but it could eg be extracted from etc/HISTORY, with some small trouble. IMO the copyright year, which is already there, is good enough. 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[89.161.2.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b28sm6581408ljo.1.2020.05.03.14.38.30 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 May 2020 14:38:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> <4uy2q8ly7b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: <05ef06ab-cd27-11ee-fedf-837ccef887f3@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 23:38:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4uy2q8ly7b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > If you mean when the FSF produce a published version, only they > could add that date, and it would not be known at the time of the > associated Emacs release. If you mean when the associated Emacs was > released, then I don't see why that date should be added, but it > could eg be extracted from etc/HISTORY, with some small trouble. I thought that it'll be simpler, merely a question of whether to put it or not to put it. I'm guessing that release of docs depend on release of Emacs itself, but because I don't know anything about how you are releasing them, in it's difficult for me to define "release date". So, I would have to know the sequence of the release process to pick a good place in time, which, in my opinion of course, should be the release date. I'm guessing that on day N, Emacs is packaged (tar.gz) and uploaded to: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/ But then, is documentation (Info, PDF, HTML, sources package) also build on the same day and uploaded to: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html Or maybe documentation is uploaded few days after? And then do they (docs) stay the same until next Emacs release, or are they refreshed (corrected style, some minor errors/typos)? S. U. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 22:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41009 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 41009@debbugs.gnu.org, Sebastian Urban Received: via spool by 41009-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41009.158854404513501 (code B ref 41009); Sun, 03 May 2020 22:15:01 +0000 Received: (at 41009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2020 22:14:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVMs5-0003Vd-Ri for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 18:14:05 -0400 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:56128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVMs4-0003V0-SM for 41009@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 18:14:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CkKTg6ikjKWjIU2dYkC5WXKLoMkbKviYQDDOKdt/ydA=; b=ujaMOIAVkYgxlh+AF7+bfoGKZ2 KMG7TnJysAROplZWApIcyKJWkx+L3ptZw1UoNh9uHthEJD3cip0PT6NgLc8vIafHwxMzkhVE514O9 atPmcuIwh2upChQbwdWd/9G+GvWfteDz5t1Q1wGpWS3QrBh/ZOD3/Ajy8gVkak9glVw2ovPot94Wz w6fcfkaKgBCgdIut0K0egwH3PwOMaP5L2KUdnHG/5aiY1XJsGhRzKNlgPJQijfrjBVneBvgkfdwwu gkh9TMxtwonPouQ3O9Xo7VcOBrILQ6TxXcNLmmFV0EB3VoM/w6WXqq++JUClQJUHDikHNr/6DJDaB SMejLlrw==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:52350 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jVMrz-0016Ii-6U; Sun, 03 May 2020 18:13:55 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <4uy2q8ly7b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 03 May 2020 13:34:16 -0400") References: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> <4uy2q8ly7b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 00:13:52 +0200 Message-ID: <87d07k1xb3.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > IMO the copyright year, which is already there, is good enough. Indeed, books rarely have more information than that. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 03:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41009 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sebastian Urban Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 41009@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 41009-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41009.15885621449954 (code B ref 41009); Mon, 04 May 2020 03:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 41009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2020 03:15:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58727 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRa4-0002aU-Ao for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:15:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36614) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRa2-0002aH-HH for 41009@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:15:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRZx-0001Qv-9P; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:15:37 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRZh-0000sn-AB; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:15:23 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <05ef06ab-cd27-11ee-fedf-837ccef887f3@gmail.com> (message from Sebastian Urban on Sun, 3 May 2020 23:38:31 +0200) References: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> <4uy2q8ly7b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <05ef06ab-cd27-11ee-fedf-837ccef887f3@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 23:15:21 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] When we publish it as a printed book, we do whatever is called for. The FSF staff don't need any code in the Emacs repo to make that possible. So please put into the Emacs repo whatever is suitable for making Emacs distributions. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 02:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41009 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 41009@debbugs.gnu.org, mrsebastianurban@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 41009-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41009.158864696814366 (code B ref 41009); Tue, 05 May 2020 02:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 41009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2020 02:49:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34394 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVneB-0003je-Ue for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:49:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45152) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jVne9-0003jQ-VR for 41009@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:49:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45292) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVne0-0004Me-HZ; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:49:16 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVndy-0005Tj-H2; Mon, 04 May 2020 22:49:14 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <4uy2q8ly7b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Sun, 03 May 2020 13:34:16 -0400) References: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> <4uy2q8ly7b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 22:49:14 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > @today is just the date someone runs TeX. It has no significance as to > (eg) when content was last updated. The goal of reproducible builds argues for NOT using @today. (Please, let's not refer to text that we have worked hard on as "content". See https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content.) -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) Resent-From: Sebastian Urban Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41009 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 41009@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41009-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41009.159068029516148 (code B ref 41009); Thu, 28 May 2020 15:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 41009) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 May 2020 15:38:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52850 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jeKbm-0004CM-Or for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 11:38:14 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f47.google.com ([209.85.218.47]:33792) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jeKbk-0004CA-V0 for 41009@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 11:38:13 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f47.google.com with SMTP id l27so494839ejc.1 for <41009@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 May 2020 08:38:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:references:subject:in-reply-to:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GLsugDdTRrYoIH6iCaW0OS8alIk4xmDnQ6zaYuNQuHs=; b=sMK6/h2U4O5mqrOisnJdEsVRE1mivvbIsXxAmnKkWF2ITMoDHPe7sQQxhmsnxXX2OW 2aDDRp3kRcdSZyuKK9nlYk60YwimNwCynYkPDWBHic0FCQVGFr7SpTyzvjavXDO6zO2F mZ2K0Dk0saFN62hxkObyIi2mTDiu2cvQP5k3q4SMb1CbH9Mp8aljofgwmMobWzbI0z2e W802oS2diBfh6X48dlSKRIT+5BYA3Ndtc5oeId4gNUcoJb68tguCnCjgqN9uISaclnCA XhlDD7OqcxI5LV05nhrkKT/La/kkVv2IA+sZNMd7XzWtSrkuDF+SkrGtbH7JRa8VeWL9 mLyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:references:subject:in-reply-to:from :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GLsugDdTRrYoIH6iCaW0OS8alIk4xmDnQ6zaYuNQuHs=; b=X12kzR4zMFiBDioC0I8bVg18MGV00cJUNb3fD6kFs5gpDUkvgYDKgfshsrOmGPuMJX 1R+qGBZ2VCXm7Ubk2dWZcupIpBLB1uVXJZimh7nQaThbb6Muk7XGTSa5T8BwcibHCxsx CO0xLpTZuRNkNCAbVFapSAVLxiFrjm6m8diMX1CyZCuuEdVvMgUrIki10yu/bfNQDX9O Ec8Z4pqbt33C6VQ2pIbdv9UceAuWQstz+9To7baghNJZh7Pb0W/gVDjUvHc8UTYT83kN ol7ziZPnTvlRVp0wJB9nsLeCRxYQQ7dPnuONNzXr49tzc1jVfJV91SrEKUiNys88TgeP YcCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530J43AZHzzrxUOeRMTmqVVBl66nMkNc6PFcZzUq2pH3e3tDCv/l M/VS7VZHv3fGyY/tpuqXYz0doC8mnJ8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyzlU3FZc9dpJmbOh1fn7HiCY7eoS83/lF4RcYV/7yjDIKdf0eQJeXsu3PVP7WJQC6AsGUp6A== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:d933:: with SMTP id rn19mr2545648ejb.158.1590680286328; Thu, 28 May 2020 08:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ip-89-161-2-137.tel.tkb.net.pl. [89.161.2.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af15sm5603936ejc.89.2020.05.28.08.38.05 for <41009@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 May 2020 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: <8a65b6a8-2a74-e69a-6b17-e6cde85b03a0@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:38:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Well, I guess we can close this. Sticking to the date in copyright section seems to be "good enough" solution. S. U. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:41 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Sebastian Urban Subject: bug#41009: closed (Re: bug#41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF)) Message-ID: References: <83zh9sqbrj.fsf@gnu.org> <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 41009 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 41009@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:13:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1590682382-19622-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1590682382-19622-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 41009@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 41009: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D41009 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1590682382-19622-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 41009-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 May 2020 16:13:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52894 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jeL9P-00056H-Uf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 12:13:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58790) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jeL9P-000566-81 for 41009-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 12:12:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35780) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeL9J-0004sV-IV; Thu, 28 May 2020 12:12:54 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3342 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jeL9D-0007bj-5x; Thu, 28 May 2020 12:12:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 19:12:32 +0300 Message-Id: <83zh9sqbrj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sebastian Urban In-Reply-To: <8a65b6a8-2a74-e69a-6b17-e6cde85b03a0@gmail.com> (message from Sebastian Urban on Thu, 28 May 2020 17:38:08 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#41009: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) References: <8a65b6a8-2a74-e69a-6b17-e6cde85b03a0@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41009-done Cc: 41009-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:38:08 +0200 > > Well, I guess we can close this. Sticking to the date in copyright > section seems to be "good enough" solution. Thanks. (You can always close a bug report by sending emacs to the NNN-done@debbugs.gnu.org address, where NNN is the bug number.) ------------=_1590682382-19622-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2020 20:19:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50734 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jUc8B-0005mH-Nh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 May 2020 16:19:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:51768) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jUc8A-0005m9-3B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 May 2020 16:19:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50312) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUc89-0007MS-JP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 May 2020 16:19:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUc88-0006x0-6O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 May 2020 16:19:29 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::330]:51830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUc87-0006wE-LN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 May 2020 16:19:27 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-x330.google.com with SMTP id x4so884902wmj.1 for ; Fri, 01 May 2020 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-language; bh=/01BGI+A7wqjwT2/HvKYlrNKBQisAtTkRzqpbqpwtVM=; b=vZsi7BKdpvaR7MJDFL0uzYyG5tPO0n17CZubksTPdQU1bpsc5BHXTJluAxSa9Icxl1 E0gwbX8W1vv5+5FXMQ8FFe0bEHRnE/buWhjP1gSKAJgcQZU8IURcWpRgyUiLZq9+2/sU TcVZzxCYpeLfknNZAVEFXpxyAUNoS/JUEyTpGIKHKZ6huFm4YxSJqdKDPCW0L551tHiK j2rECezuSXgwmvkb8KPuh2Kl7euF5KXRnG6s2TfOBuOh6pec7Mbogee/IC1JMJ6eQs+v BOqvRJpK27zunv6CjFDBVdw+4Ae4HUMi5nHpzZyJY2P8yO5+DSHj3350ar+UjRs13mDm 1r6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language; bh=/01BGI+A7wqjwT2/HvKYlrNKBQisAtTkRzqpbqpwtVM=; b=Aes7DYlEjY9KhfohRzzu0JqeUid1BdPBo64M5HiEhAgKcd/xgVqIBYzxxJdbzBm7B9 84U3uvUyQTJAz1g3jgDgkZ9xGkTGFyxU4qrn7eWGC197tJRssFuCaMNFMevVeRHpCAaQ yGgtJ1o5xFfGfm3wObJanKJeAkiufPLlR++JqOCFqApcMh3JaIDgZttYsZKkgIxZVISb oahUTr5WYTxFpub7cDanJuVyu5fEDT2JTvRf45W685XGXlCHdNZAnf9z1eCNpLll95IR xzIhNcN5yT4D8pCQNaunDox6TKDQFEJYwepfQzxsxrDqB+04u9pFOIc3MAIZyLowHgey gQ7A== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pubu27p2lBInifHmQ+gvRQ3wa6xxgMsAp8PGbdf7E4qqGP+l2Gyh zUk/YqbUtxkqrcYQb8ZMBjuw4Aet X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypI3Kv2SYaSsQoPzn0QRLIulaougoKYHh24w3zU11lSIB4SbA+LoFmTScafTMMZG8/QDexL/iw== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:4c10:: with SMTP id z16mr1173691wmf.77.1588364364879; Fri, 01 May 2020 13:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2a00:f41:1c06:f238:99fb:4405:c5e6:af4b? ([2a00:f41:1c06:f238:99fb:4405:c5e6:af4b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w18sm5624824wrn.55.2020.05.01.13.19.23 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 01 May 2020 13:19:24 -0700 (PDT) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Sebastian Urban Subject: Add release date to the title page of Emacs manual (PDF) Message-ID: <56927ba2-b1c3-126a-79cb-de332dc1f699@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 22:19:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BBAB23A0FF504989AE5D3168" Content-Language: en-GB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::330; envelope-from=mrsebastianurban@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x330.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::330 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BBAB23A0FF504989AE5D3168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello list, I would like to suggest adding a release date to the title page of PDF version of the Emacs manual. Five variants below, are all simple change in EMACS.TEXI, and all would show date under the "EDITION Edition, Updated for Emacs Version VERSION" line on the title page (example in attached picture). First one would show date in "12 April 2018" format: ================================================== @center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}. +@sp 1 +@center @today{} @sp 5 @center Richard Stallman et al. ================================================== Second one would show date in "April 2018" format: ================================================== @center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}. +@sp 1 +@tex +\center % +\ifcase\month % +\or January \or February \or March \or April \or May \or June % +\or July \or August \or September \or October \or November \or December % +\fi\number\year +@end tex @sp 5 @center Richard Stallman et al. ================================================== Third on would show date in "2018" format ================================================== @center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}. +@sp 1 +@center @inlineraw{tex, \the\year} @sp 5 @center Richard Stallman et al. ================================================== Fourth - "4, 2018" (4=month) - setting is similar to 3rd method above. Fifth - using @set and @value, just like in case of EDITION or EMACSVER. Variants 1-4 are automated, printed date is the date of system (OS) when the compilation happened, 5th - I guess - can be automated. Personally, I prefer 2nd variant, i.e. "April 2018", as in example. S. 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