From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 22 05:52:09 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2020 09:52:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51354 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRC36-0007K8-L3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 05:52:09 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:45483) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAKs-0004XJ-Rz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:02:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43656) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAKg-0008JH-Eq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:02:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAKc-0003zF-K4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:02:08 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-x733.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::733]:37091) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAKb-0003lh-LQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:02:06 -0400 Received: by mail-qk1-x733.google.com with SMTP id s63so1513551qke.4 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:02:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ieee.org; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LSNw7JN2AP3bFVcL9Vw56aiau9ubRZM4P9KN6NstZcY=; b=MWCD9U9Y85asRcT9fCQ+iM2WtVBrtgclB0i6ktYpgx2ZnR0wbEm/yiuH1XJ+1eOeNK UhDfMI7vkk8pFE9CPvk54jArfcRFu7nzOFhGr6CdT6GtU0GUl9sTpoFMDEHL3yKzJaCM RPjJw7oNK3jJbEBZK9OLT9NOVqpe31m9qvPBU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LSNw7JN2AP3bFVcL9Vw56aiau9ubRZM4P9KN6NstZcY=; b=Qdllg4fVzHvvjJvkOrEjtU6B2eCaMpFF/CbdhrQhxwTJYKkkRJeDuz0Qy913nzSywq rzQALVB/G6L+q2Z44CAlQjB8gAZNkxhZtzNW4pQNjeoicddXtuFH3/N3scIm53L7tbAS JzZwyznnDpfFNl+iC8BNssUKghT+0sLJ5m96a3hKGhbzTW7Fds9sT4SdZN8z4O2mSm89 sre4/Ze9jkvPEE573uIC9h0oON+xRIoNnbPMebX4cNKcbk6axtJt+Mpuf+NoCw0Zqcbv wPBexgHagMrNM1GR7z3K8gLYxrWx9z2xGBZuobsxjgFBCfaZYytC1l9KEPfpAqOux1es ojCA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZswQ5hvctcr/B09zqtzR7sDvCIH7ol0ZA+XkYyGNfzSrhgETGM 1Lx7FMqspt4g7/4xJY90XqLt/Kk8der9axv0Nz7c3bUE X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypI9JlwhjV45VTiyZuPPZwAGnuyRp1D0/2QtvoRWxa1wExx/6C7w/QvU5WAz3I3fTyIv9PW/ncHAld0nyX1TLXM= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6317:: with SMTP id x23mr24523526qkb.218.1587542520938; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:02:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Pearson Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000006fe6c05a3dc8ce4" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::733; envelope-from=r.pearson@ieee.org; helo=mail-qk1-x733.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::733 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 05:52:07 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --00000000000006fe6c05a3dc8ce4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I want to learn Lisp. Most of the responses are the use Emacs with the Slime package. So installed the latest Gnu Emac. My OS is Ubuntu MATE 18.04 (Later versions have broken so much working code that I had to go back to 18.04). No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to go through the tutorial. The User Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard for emacs and all other programs. The UI makes emacs useless. Is there a version of emacs that uses Tk/Tcl and actually works on Ubuntu MATE 18.04 with an AMD x86 64-bit processor? I have checked out two commercial products; but not only are they way over-priced, but they are 32-bit versions. (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by going to the 21st century for the UI.) Robert Pearson --00000000000006fe6c05a3dc8ce4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want to learn Lisp. Most of the responses are the use Em= acs with the Slime package.
So installed the latest=C2=A0Gnu Emac. My O= S is Ubuntu MATE 18.04 (Later versions have broken so much working code tha= t I had to go back to 18.04).=C2=A0

No trouble dow= nloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to go through the t= utorial. The User Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard f= or emacs and all other programs. The UI makes emacs useless.

=
Is there a version of emacs that uses Tk/Tcl and actually works = on Ubuntu MATE 18.04 with an AMD x86 64-bit processor?

=
I have checked=C2=A0out two commercial products; but not only are they= way over-priced, but they are 32-bit versions.

(I= believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by going t= o the 21st century for the UI.)

Robert Pearson
--00000000000006fe6c05a3dc8ce4-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 22 09:49:02 2020 Received: (at 40762) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2020 13:49:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51638 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRFkM-00077e-9V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:49:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36734) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRFkK-000777-N9 for 40762@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:49:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58810) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRFkE-0001PA-LD; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:48:54 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4735 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jRFkC-0003hP-T1; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:48:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:48:35 +0300 Message-Id: <83zhb3eimk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Robert Pearson In-Reply-To: (message from Robert Pearson on Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 References: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40762 Cc: 40762@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Robert Pearson > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400 > > No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to go through the tutorial. The User > Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard for emacs and all other programs. The UI makes > emacs useless. Did you start Emacs in text mode? Otherwise, I cannot understand how could it screw up your keyboard. > (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by going to the 21st century for the UI.) Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all. So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 12 21:33:32 2020 Received: (at 40762-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Aug 2020 01:33:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k627X-00071B-Js for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 21:33:31 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f170.google.com ([209.85.219.170]:37423) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k627W-00070l-0m for 40762-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 21:33:30 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f170.google.com with SMTP id e14so2433411ybf.4 for <40762-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:33:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vFxlXTeb9FHR06RLgpaX6WV1TkBxNAcypODhheG/svA=; b=Xi/gPNrsDwA5nFOAhuEE0IGyok5gP5Cio3QhK2kRAS/gYCEe8j8mf4A1sk9hhnC22r 3yl6k2UCTJpfKBxYBVyMVD1iFNVbVVQhp7XivNkFK/uXiV643i7KFnt1ECk2J9EMaEmZ o1Ra4HYNA0KuygBpXkDXyWuMNoG3EgdeCYEvxmam1S4VkIfEG+h7JNaosxblCD42HOFB ZgVL0Z9dVqLl512lOXEBxteMO0hN8F7TfnP9PiF4lYwxn0qBEUcXcw/xFEIRktcpLjHq 64wL6ZmgoECjgUiyGPwaSU6f/f/Obs1GHh2QIVy7jNt6Ybeq4pWgQQptzO7j9N6E7SdU Yryg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531yD4UKYIjR0i4mWBRdgVSeKG0O/jsd5FrEgkhDCx1h7X58DMow bd+SwV0OMJRP4oObUw++/3cKi2y+Cs/FiLiFEw8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw2+vytwqqG5jMz/drEcAd74RTLQ3CFPQCrfhaAATmbOl2tCdIJwBex7KLEa8Kg/tnvU9gXvCuPSLkSWPlF7NA= X-Received: by 2002:a25:9843:: with SMTP id k3mr3282946ybo.466.1597282404575; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:33:24 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83zhb3eimk.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:48:35 +0300") References: <83zhb3eimk.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:33:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40762-done Cc: 40762-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Robert Pearson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Robert Pearson >> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400 >> >> No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to go through the tutorial. The User >> Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard for emacs and all other programs. The UI makes >> emacs useless. > > Did you start Emacs in text mode? Otherwise, I cannot understand how > could it screw up your keyboard. > >> (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by going to the 21st century for the UI.) > > Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is > to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all. > > So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems. More information was requested, but none was given within 16 weeks, so I'm closing this bug. If this is still an issue, please reply to this email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the bug report. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 26 03:34:20 2020 Received: (at 40762) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2020 07:34:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37244 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kApwp-00081X-9z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:34:20 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f45.google.com ([209.85.221.45]:37234) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kAoMq-0005SW-64 for 40762@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 01:53:05 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f45.google.com with SMTP id y3so499488wrl.4 for <40762@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 22:53:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ieee.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AumRXt1JhFu9z0aLYYqLhIINGGSg5OaMMEhMvNYJlEo=; b=TFD4yFjeUuTNKnV6GUsy1U0o7WCUW9o9bHlssJtfRDqSbrUwOWnnaYJXPPEM2/2Z15 KLF5DjHYD4baE84qvYHGHfA2wE3zffqu4JzqH/2B6oM2cCGI3fBbK+vnCfPzykup5BOS EainOy8z4/ajnbEhCWKnCruGXwz5STIVIkYO0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=AumRXt1JhFu9z0aLYYqLhIINGGSg5OaMMEhMvNYJlEo=; b=rBtiEp4AjJHBFtH2eHH3Sd0f291x8+w8c7clsyRfC+bphgVIyvooG4VMZGqQsR+hF8 mqebaruhKcrsN7mM9w+mUc05s4U7nuQ+nGHGeijKPSR0ihbksTJgr9QBPqyL622bF4hL 5zwJlszzYzoOp2K264GxyOqA1Lkunxyb379RtUB5UzIeZhqcQ7lBqlnkUlm0wNUTI6Z1 T/WroYYLy0JJ6tBwHLb5F05iNAXOS54DZfYIJZFayzkNehbrX0GACW4NQPqSIJ5iIlis 9G61ed+2i0bNb/W0b6f/sdWwp6a5gayF1V7EJrcbb6VjjBLNXtXlPeaGiuqX67wj0Dkf b36g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531STLyTTgb9b9EvESkRHK7JFSI89dPV45gkgiS0D6bZoWTd5Mkf lDWTaPrftqs8xOwO85OyMa1uUi/9aiS9CxIjuScK2pJKSWdcOw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwTApCRu04aeKHq/mF20PWJUgG2G3Mp8/PhS+j+CmwTju2jyKa28A3FpRFF7lzd2k2wJPXr0zgYuDFZQ6g79dI= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6910:: with SMTP id t16mr14629494wru.178.1598421177851; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 22:52:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Robert Pearson Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 01:52:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#40762: closed (Re: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04) To: 40762@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008219b805adc16e33" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40762 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:34:17 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000008219b805adc16e33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is > to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all. > > So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems. The problem is "Emacs should" and "So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems". The second is obviously true. The first is the difference between "Emacs should" and "Emacs does". If there were no difference there would be no bugs. Plus Ubuntu is about closing bug reports - not about actually fixing the bugs. I have "found" at least one bug which is over 5 years old. The bug reports have been closed. But the bug is still there! Robert Pearson On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:34 PM GNU bug Tracking System < help-debbugs@gnu.org> wrote: > Your bug report > > #40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 > > which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. > > The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. > If you require more details, please reply to 40762@debbugs.gnu.org. > > -- > 40762: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=40762 > GNU Bug Tracking System > Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Stefan Kangas > To: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 40762-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Robert Pearson > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:33:24 -0700 > Subject: Re: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Robert Pearson > >> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400 > >> > >> No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried > to go through the tutorial. The User > >> Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard for emacs and > all other programs. The UI makes > >> emacs useless. > > > > Did you start Emacs in text mode? Otherwise, I cannot understand how > > could it screw up your keyboard. > > > >> (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by > going to the 21st century for the UI.) > > > > Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is > > to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all. > > > > So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems. > > More information was requested, but none was given within 16 weeks, so > I'm closing this bug. If this is still an issue, please reply to this > email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the > bug report. > > Best regards, > Stefan Kangas > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Robert Pearson > To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400 > Subject: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 > I want to learn Lisp. Most of the responses are the use Emacs with the > Slime package. > So installed the latest Gnu Emac. My OS is Ubuntu MATE 18.04 (Later > versions have broken so much working code that I had to go back to 18.04). > > No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to > go through the tutorial. The User Interface is so outdated that it screwed > up my keyboard for emacs and all other programs. The UI makes emacs useless. > > Is there a version of emacs that uses Tk/Tcl and actually works on Ubuntu > MATE 18.04 with an AMD x86 64-bit processor? > > I have checked out two commercial products; but not only are they way > over-priced, but they are 32-bit versions. > > (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by > going to the 21st century for the UI.) > > Robert Pearson > --0000000000008219b805adc16e33 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Emacs should use ncurses for the t=
ext-mode frames, but the default is
> to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all.
>
> So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems.

The problem is "Emacs should" and "So =
I don't think I understand the nature of your problems".
The second is obviously true. The first is the difference between "= Emacs should" and "Emacs does". If there were no difference= there would be no bugs. Plus Ubuntu is about closing bug reports - not abo= ut actually fixing the bugs. I have "found" at least one bug whic= h is over 5 years old. The bug reports have been closed. But the bug is sti= ll there!
Robert Pearson

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:34 PM G= NU bug Tracking System <help-deb= bugs@gnu.org> wrote:
Your bug report

#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04

which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed.

The explanation is attached below, along with your original report.
If you require more details, please reply to 40762@debbugs.gnu.org.

--
40762: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?= bug=3D40762
GNU Bug Tracking System
Contact help-debb= ugs@gnu.org with problems



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Stefan Ka= ngas <stefan@marx= ist.se>
To:=C2=A0Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc:=C2=A040762-done@debbugs.gnu.org, R= obert Pearson <r= .pearson@ieee.org>
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:3= 3:24 -0700
Subject:=C2=A0Re: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04
Eli= Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.o= rg> writes:

>> From: Robert Pearson <r.pearson@ieee.org>
>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400
>>
>> No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tr= ied to go through the tutorial. The User
>> Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard for emacs = and all other programs. The UI makes
>> emacs useless.
>
> Did you start Emacs in text mode?=C2=A0 Otherwise, I cannot understand= how
> could it screw up your keyboard.
>
>> (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed= by going to the 21st century for the UI.)
>
> Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is<= br> > to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all.
>
> So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems.

More information was requested, but none was given within 16 weeks, so
I'm closing this bug.=C2=A0 If this is still an issue, please reply to = this
email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen= the
bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Robert Pe= arson <r.pearson= @ieee.org>
To:=C2=A0bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Cc:=C2=A0
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:= =C2=A0Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400
Subject:=C2=A0UI screws up Ubuntu = 18.04
I want to learn Lisp. Most of the responses are t= he use Emacs with the Slime package.
So installed the latest=C2=A0Gnu E= mac. My OS is Ubuntu MATE 18.04 (Later versions have broken so much working= code that I had to go back to 18.04).=C2=A0

No tr= ouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to go thro= ugh the tutorial. The User Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my k= eyboard for emacs and all other programs. The UI makes emacs useless.
=

Is there a version of emacs that uses Tk/Tcl and actual= ly works on Ubuntu MATE 18.04 with an AMD x86 64-bit processor?
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I have checked=C2=A0out two commercial products; but not only= are they way over-priced, but they are 32-bit versions.

(I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed b= y going to the 21st century for the UI.)

Robert Pe= arson
--0000000000008219b805adc16e33-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 26 03:55:11 2020 Received: (at 40762) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2020 07:55:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37266 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kAqH1-0008W3-Cz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:55:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kAqGz-0008Vo-Pr for 40762@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:55:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55741) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kAqGu-00036e-46; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:55:04 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2794 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kAqGs-0004Pw-DZ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:55:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:54:48 +0300 Message-Id: <83zh6h3kqf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Robert Pearson In-Reply-To: (message from Robert Pearson on Wed, 26 Aug 2020 01:52:46 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#40762: closed (Re: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40762 Cc: 40762@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Robert Pearson > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 01:52:46 -0400 > > Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is > > to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all. > > > > So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems. > > The problem is "Emacs should" and "So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems". > The second is obviously true. The first is the difference between "Emacs should" and "Emacs does". So in your case, Emacs starts in text mode? That is, it opens its display in the same window as the shell from which you invoked Emacs? A GUI frame (a.k.a. "window") is a separate window, and it includes such GUI elements as menu, tool bar (a row of buttons with small icons on them), and vertical scroll bar. Is that what you see? From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:27:09 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:24:12 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator