From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 05 17:19:06 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Apr 2020 21:19:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46709 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jLCfZ-0001OC-Ib for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:19:06 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:50041) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jLCfW-0001Nv-VH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:19:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jLCfV-0006NF-Rb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:19:02 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jLCfO-0004o4-Ju for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:19:01 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:36668) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jLCfO-0004n9-Az for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:18:54 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 035LHiWM171076 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:18:52 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=S2Mm+wfzQqoX3c5EhebFzeMF3eIVD23Aq06TRbyMsAw=; b=Co1UpYCCX6cXvWCybiYa5GRUZuyTa7U4Ozt8fEzmBu392188JHYQXlihIpZz0ZVfW9D/ Bz1vohXHOYnIrnxj5II/TeeU4NqJr7n2cE75PEVrzsfq8bZJEOXAU+ZWidU6SqJV/yck sfu1iSU2Hoo6iqUETDtvFSJ1G5ia1yIkpwEl4jTd2Rd0Qs6lRn9EFQCPom11Ks12j7xb bO88M5N+L1D+UoMsXlNmzYQq9oDhEVBkaqFxD2YgQQ9DUizxc371B1HGVRqvz/GBuXc3 SqMqldqdFTQjhlas8Z8ZpCxm8UOcWkWzbh4HJVGjZ+2JSFhuLtzYbA/VA8WUxWBYaQD4 5g== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 306hnquwgj-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 21:18:52 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 035LIMx6046979 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:18:52 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3073xungvr-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 21:18:51 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 035LIpPc009666 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:18:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1aeaea1a-601e-4192-9da5-5f6ccdb23eb7@default> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9582 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004050192 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9582 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=1 clxscore=1015 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004050192 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.86 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) The doc string of `list-packages', and `C-h m' in the list it provides, don't really tell you what actions you can perform there. There is not much, if any, help for this buffer, that I can see. So I look at its menu-bar `Package' menu. OK, I can guess a bit what some of the menu items do. But perhaps the most important action (?), "Install", isn't even described anywere, AFAICT. I see that only as the text of a button in the *Help* buffer content from describing a package (`RET', `package-menu-describe'). I find no description of what that "Install" button does. And in the packages list I find no key binding for installing the package of the current line or the marked packages, when I look at the *Help* of `C-h m' - nothing that talks about installing. Well, I do see that there's `i' (`package-menu-mark-install ') to mark a package for installation, and there's `x' (`package-menu-execute' to install the packages marked for installation. But does `x' install the package on the current line if no lines are marked? (That's the way Dired actions work, at least.) But suppose I want to just download a package - its source files, and I don't want to "install" it (especially since I have no way of knowing what "installing" actually will do). How to do that - download the marked packages? How to find out how to do it? This is I guess my main question for this bug report. Also, using `d' on a line for a package that's not installed doesn't mark it at all. Why is that correct - no visual feedback? If the point is to tell you that it can't be marked for deletion then why is there no message saying that? And shouldn't it be marked anyway, and then have `x' tell you that it can't be deleted - e.g., because it's not installed? Wouldn't that tell you more than what `d' does now? (emacs) `Package Menu' helps. But the buffer itself (and its menu and help commands) should provide better help. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 06 04:32:47 2020 Received: (at 40457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2020 08:32:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47137 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jLNBX-0003Dm-J8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2020 04:32:47 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:46805) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jLNBU-0003DE-Df for 40457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2020 04:32:45 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6CFE2400FC for <40457@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 10:32:37 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1586161957; bh=/FpKLei78bVxylhRVXtf7HjMN2+aGQawgBLBiXm15bU=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=YghtaLWKHPt5RENP5yjOP9M+s/dIPtUZDuoFJtnMn5vyniDqUXcS910qIZcJZhngK Iu7yeR2Nb6r6kCJV9n/j/zz3Ru3uvCr4bJT+8nyePH2OdTrlNe0xj+Cjwdivw7g9R4 G+jMxUB7O5IUI8ApwXMzKjyAq6Mjh0d3rk0bjchIuGi3H+ESp1bMnxTxnkCMeiJErt eIOLcAXYKl+/h3+zgbJigwZTVARmJfM+ALigkMdyycl0KT0IRrLakieE9s6feCrnLo PFk8gz/0UrmU9oiZwkFgN2PmkBngW1oi/nInbY4NQP95gOWJljviXtxDLrUvbJXZWF GFF16E2uAKX8Q== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 48wkLY1rVJz9rxG; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 10:32:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Tomas Nordin To: Drew Adams , 40457@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#40457: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? In-Reply-To: <1aeaea1a-601e-4192-9da5-5f6ccdb23eb7@default> References: <1aeaea1a-601e-4192-9da5-5f6ccdb23eb7@default> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 10:32:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87y2r9f1zv.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40457 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > But suppose I want to just download a package - its source files, and I > don't want to "install" it (especially since I have no way of knowing > what "installing" actually will do). How to do that - download the > marked packages? How to find out how to do it? This is I guess my main > question for this bug report. Sounds interesting to me, a helper to download a source package included in the package system. A convenience feature. Maybe to strip down this report to a feature request to add just that? I can imagine it could trigger an itch with somebody. Otherwise I guess the help from the list-packages for now is the link to the package homepage. Best regards -- Tomas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 06 11:37:47 2020 Received: (at 40457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2020 15:37:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jLTop-0004qd-JB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2020 11:37:47 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:34872) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jLTon-0004qC-RD for 40457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2020 11:37:46 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 036FTIVC013441; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:37:38 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=4TP51eNwZPj6vB9GbYhp4J5okHwzjUaqeYcdqTxUmVY=; b=fYhAibqzIUVvGxGYIe6VTKD9omZkJoavRDgntwO9F855VicY/i3cLj430rF+60XRPwUR oCc+gAfLHJ4EfGe+R+oPQxFwettsa3NseM6q7ywb+HD8/rksRngZJI71VKPTsrHVx3tH KrtGiskwUOknAntU9s3ruCvuzjsxwtvpxnEtDFOzhJ7PBZI3Yc2yxCwBvnIzegCdS5Yo aEzk2PtSVVS1ZwU3CLdJAos6KR9cEjjM8CxNpZeXT9xeYaUJF/ss+6jB51W2LnrJ2bAK C9YdLNHsiWjTsKy8Tk1pxdc0z0vigzQNoBxXHSqLl8c+KzoGsn0IUpTdivGZscpPJf26 xg== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 306jvmyjn7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:37:38 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 036FQcN5045146; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:35:37 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3073sq59jn-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:35:37 +0000 Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 036FZTBE022854; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:35:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <22c28db6-25eb-4399-a394-cf484047fa16@default> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Tomas Nordin , 40457@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#40457: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? References: <1aeaea1a-601e-4192-9da5-5f6ccdb23eb7@default> <87y2r9f1zv.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> In-Reply-To: <87y2r9f1zv.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9582 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004060127 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9582 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1011 malwarescore=0 impostorscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004060127 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40457 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > But suppose I want to just download a package - its source files, and > > I don't want to "install" it (especially since I have no way of knowing > > what "installing" actually will do). How to do that - download the > > marked packages? How to find out how to do it? This is I guess my > > main question for this bug report. >=20 > Sounds interesting to me, a helper to download a source package > included > in the package system. A convenience feature. Maybe to strip down this > report to a feature request to add just that? I can imagine it could > trigger an itch with somebody. I don't want to strip this bug report / enhancement request to just a request for a command to download but not install the source file(s) of a package. It's true that that was what I was looking for initially. But as I tried looking everywhere in the pkg-list display, for help about that mode, I found that it seems to be missing the boat in helping users more generally. So from my point of view: 1. An important enhancement is to provide such a command. 2. Other, i.e., more help is needed. > Otherwise I guess the help from the list-packages for now is the link > to the package homepage. That's not help about using the pkg-list mode itself. That's info about a particular package. And yes, details about a package belong on the package homepage, even if a short description of each package is needed in the list display itself. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 14 10:21:48 2021 Received: (at 40457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2021 14:21:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47321 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lsnTH-0006CN-Tk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:21:48 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:38462) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lsnTH-0006C6-3g for 40457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:21:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=QdpfV8NVmxWYKEtzZNJ1Hue2MjS95ntvAwDDHZlQFP4=; b=PGK6MMhRfxJtrz5sEx+D2F0gFf 5CtsipiKhpQMkXFsoTychN3EdaKh75l+afvZWDeaUPfv8QKaAnl3j2LaQcky+th7MpuwdJ4YGO1hu ST75lopTQj6YRBp9bLmoIh1SG8sxE05Asp8f6e/V6yIQzfUIO6zlMMENSf3vTnOBk0ik=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lsnT8-0001fy-6C; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:21:40 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#40457: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? References: <1aeaea1a-601e-4192-9da5-5f6ccdb23eb7@default> X-Now-Playing: 75 Dollar Bill's _I Was Real_: "I. New New, II. The Worm, III Like Laundry" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:21:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1aeaea1a-601e-4192-9da5-5f6ccdb23eb7@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 5 Apr 2020 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87eed4y1am.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > I see that only as the text of a button in the *Help* buffer content > from describing a package (`RET', `package-menu-describe'). I find no > description of what that "Install" button does. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40457 Cc: 40457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > I see that only as the text of a button in the *Help* buffer content > from describing a package (`RET', `package-menu-describe'). I find no > description of what that "Install" button does. The "Install" button installs the package. I don't think that concept needs explication. Most of the rest of the bug report is about whether the batch-oriented command set of package.el is appropriate. I think marking and then `x'-executing packages is a pretty odd interface myself -- I don't think the user commonly works in that batch-oriented way, so having this be a two step process is pretty weird. I'm not sure we can change what the `i' and `d' keys do at this point, though, but perhaps we could introduce two new keystrokes? Anybody got an opinion here? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 24 07:00:09 2021 Received: (at 40457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2021 11:00:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lwN5d-0003yZ-O9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 07:00:09 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f52.google.com ([209.85.166.52]:33782) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lwN5b-0003wy-5h for 40457@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 07:00:08 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f52.google.com with SMTP id a6so7509269ioe.0 for <40457@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:00:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ucpTHRHGQbXM3yZlqEJ1utdITLXASO+UoZ6PPJhHE3w=; b=BRGQxdkVagFhag/EKWQKei/MiWS+pIJXoinvseR5Ud0eJIYYNntSMWAE7fnP1bzcO3 6DgX+d4VDUNxeHOoR/rH8e2D92D/+jhhalT0Mo9xM05Yq1Av7X6K2vA2LY3OzOEHiMNI FD4ZUxUigKiwRwmcm9BzcgeimV6TRTdyV5UPYnTZTeB2W1mMhC4ni2Qr2eavnPnce6aS tbQOlBFKA+0Td4emAoONiZZ6XCdBsMlfypLWE/YC2KRJKWV4RWv+41YbdCuXWeB7+JDc 7Ewd4iskoVVZuLbmKteitrvFbkL/2FbzyoocfUQ/mwnEgvA11sUJYm2PWADpkVwY/0iF T1yA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ucpTHRHGQbXM3yZlqEJ1utdITLXASO+UoZ6PPJhHE3w=; b=J+leTQw4kfBTXr+keymjHfkJdI7nANiY+ffpHHm0nNffsFRh+SrvksiHN0FPJmkKo8 cJatZpa3B8wS2B0iiEwv3WdHJEmw9DtGmPKBXM06GGzb4nluYT6Ql9+NVFq6GayDxYif A7Zzq99iz/dp6oDtJw07Rkl6PmKWIT/TRvXwbcxzzq5T23WJmClvruOf6ntcdtyt8uWV 6v688c6UKTHrZejiE0vL681UD4w6+zSj0Fn1YiQXh+gQqfqX1GG1hRR6Nkb+l8GO7Ta7 6modpSXBqfHgmostA/gxQtsl5r6nTANJq1TchXNUiLo/QwDXCN/4vf2oJG6OMrBh+Olc gkZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5303XM3IY0QxZDa75lq3PNdiZ1cxr9xoYJdcoBX/q0Q0/fQGthNR sFmTcjwfTjowQIk+udXa3aatUpscWL9Xk1UK8q8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzoseZOE6vKmUEc1GmP50sI7X8JjvFYDhBKTTns7Ub2hZRLzbbQF2BXGA1Hmw+tObUtTgFnm55rdBjBNYHYsJQ= X-Received: by 2002:a02:820f:: with SMTP id o15mr3977118jag.139.1624532401463; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:00:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1aeaea1a-601e-4192-9da5-5f6ccdb23eb7@default> <87eed4y1am.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87eed4y1am.fsf@gnus.org> From: "Y. E." Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 13:59:24 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#40457: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40457 Cc: Drew Adams , 40457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > (emacs) `Package Menu' helps. But the buffer itself (and its menu and > help commands) should provide better help. So maybe link from the package-mode *Help* to (emacs) `Package Menu'? (That's what I first thought Tomas meant.) > Most of the rest of the bug report is about whether the batch-oriented > command set of package.el is appropriate. I think marking and then > `x'-executing packages is a pretty odd interface myself -- I don't think > the user commonly works in that batch-oriented way, so having this be a > two step process is pretty weird. For me, it felt weird only before reading *Help* of the package-mode. After that, it felt quite in accordance with the rest of Emacs behavior. [But that depends of course on whether a user has already met the e*x*ecute behavior and without considering inconsistencies in Emacs behavior when e*x*ecuting on not-marked lines.] I think with new keystrokes there's a risk to confuse (especially a new user) even more: for example, using I (uppercase-i) and D per one package install/delete would make already inconsistent U even more inconsistent. Maybe also change `package-menu-quick-help' output: it could be improved by mentioning *marking*, not only the action. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 24 11:02:38 2021 Received: (at 40457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2021 15:02:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43799 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lwQsH-0006Lj-Oj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 11:02:37 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:32872) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lwQsF-0006Fn-Rp for 40457@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 11:02:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2FoR5VwoiYzpfOEzG/tIWJ/XDdWneZ1BtBRcjnLw+4g=; b=FhPJHizTlivkePcBtREVaarQhM kfFugsM3SMD4iVspxUFQT7kqDABK0A1aMAkkKebNRorCR8aXdNdZ/xixMK26RRi4zliNXPoa1OcDa 6GADbwV4i0M6sgtW1XPgrIXdzlBVZoFXMs/Z8kdRqWXSTQdVjvwKSSP6o5WQHaGWecns=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lwQs6-0001Rh-Di; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 17:02:28 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Y. E." Subject: Re: bug#40457: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? 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E.'s message of "Thu, 24 Jun 2021 13:59:24 +0300") Message-ID: <87a6nfjofy.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Y. E." writes: > I think with new keystrokes there's a risk to confuse (especially a new user) > even more: for example, using I (uppercase-i) and D per one package > install/delete would make already inconsistent U [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40457 Cc: Drew Adams , 40457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "Y. E." writes: > I think with new keystrokes there's a risk to confuse (especially a new user) > even more: for example, using I (uppercase-i) and D per one package > install/delete would make already inconsistent U even more inconsistent. Yeah, probably. On the other hand, even having `I' and `D' as separate commands is unnecessary -- we could have an `X' command that does the correct thing on the current line. (Package knows whether that's installing or deleting a package.) > Maybe also change `package-menu-quick-help' output: > it could be improved by mentioning *marking*, not only the action. Indeed. I've now pushed a change that spells out what i, d and x really do, because it was pretty misleading. I can well see people reading that, hitting `i' and then going "so it's installed now?" -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 25 08:17:49 2021 Received: (at 40457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2021 12:17:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45018 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lwkmK-0000A0-T9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:17:49 -0400 Received: from mail-il1-f171.google.com ([209.85.166.171]:37744) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lwkmI-00009m-4i for 40457@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:17:48 -0400 Received: by mail-il1-f171.google.com with SMTP id i13so5283904ilu.4 for <40457@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 05:17:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P8UTq0f2eTXblA2AxSZymGca3M68HDnBJwFcuK87MA4=; b=UJK8YJkQ96gzCZQNUsq8wzzoW97Lpn5U0npnRrLX6QVg/Ln26BvQD4HR1ulJKJ9DYu sxXIIBuqFz7QEQaXtxOFVA4jqfmO9Q1ELfIKBgjmF4r+Ib9S5+R6FMwUrv4U9j/m3HRx kMJdvjx4wu/PcTM6wxkFum36fpKA2b/YclbyHklfKx17N26WYsk3u26EFDhxzFx767ac QqEr3b3bgZ5K63esE6EJk9TKHQdjrGCq0jR8Ck0m+EPNCEjWu8uhzM1TpPvDUl8rPwtK L9hI7jSiO7JmayOX7cMHAQ8PUQRS++6jSMJcE8VigcIEW4aEXtRVKD3pXr3qIGsWG3aX Ewwg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P8UTq0f2eTXblA2AxSZymGca3M68HDnBJwFcuK87MA4=; b=AuCSjABoBllEGsnb+1gj1DwWD8vW9XHZQjr9A21l+EstrhYmNBSzK1OJ/svvv1vlsR C5vaMM1XkZ21hcAzGg2MNFOpFxBwgPMTeetqwHLtkgcukxQIHqEjKNivAvdS3DVGr9R6 R4wHujayLQlwYIbUA7pHxm8aWJCzRotJ2x9nevLP/f6lVOougWIDuR2rEwy6jRgqIT4+ wU28O/ZELa3m1kW5ElKXkLXbISIllyZqS+kYAonnx9iY7kLXe4+jmhGIJBH2ZVN8Sqpt I5UQSdH3UCu3ymhAgnPUuh1iGNryIZ25eN0tJHgBUiFe/vgOLt5xBv1UUKi1FD7Xm1Bd 499Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306sQezMwzFZ3ENOPddviD27oWtgz1Z4xRdLdC048KlFnsPmECf dCJoz+cgeeQrzJiVUitfckFRbgWbu37D3mXlq3I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxPyyScE67bQoNmQsakjOjak3c3zcvUZi+pNyf1P8REcqYIhcsQIIrAOb1gEpd2Mtc6gui9VpRV2fpIYLWqt5E= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d849:: with SMTP id h9mr7355247ilq.262.1624623460411; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 05:17:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1aeaea1a-601e-4192-9da5-5f6ccdb23eb7@default> <87eed4y1am.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6nfjofy.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87a6nfjofy.fsf@gnus.org> From: "Y. E." Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 15:17:04 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#40457: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40457 Cc: Drew Adams , 40457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > we could have an `X' command that does the > correct thing on the current line. (Package knows whether that's > installing or deleting a package.) Yes, `X' might work. What would it do with an installed upgradable package? > I've now pushed a change that spells out what i, d and x really > do, because it was pretty misleading. Looks good to me, thanks. 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E." Subject: Re: bug#40457: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? 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E.'s message of "Fri, 25 Jun 2021 15:17:04 +0300") Message-ID: <87tulmdolt.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Y. E." writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> we could have an `X' command that does the >> correct thing on the current line. (Package knows whether that's >> installing or deleting a package.) > > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40457 Cc: Drew Adams , 40457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "Y. E." writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> we could have an `X' command that does the >> correct thing on the current line. (Package knows whether that's >> installing or deleting a package.) > > Yes, `X' might work. What would it do with an installed upgradable > package? A thought just occurred to me -- why not make this a bit more like vc-dir (and other modes)? That is, if there's nothing marked, then `x' should just work on the package under point. 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So a bit like `v' in > vc-dir -- install it if it isn't installed, and delete it if it is > already installed. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 4fdc7da2-bac5-4ae8-929c-08da30434eaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 07 May 2022 16:04:46.6777 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: N3nPGgYPfzxOfAHG/kukguVPi0EFavci+tr8ppuorXQMaPDg34TltL5XXicdgzgNXjQy6MPpD9VKB9HZuT5gDA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR10MB2538 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.486, 18.0.858 definitions=2022-05-07_05:2022-05-05, 2022-05-07 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2205070112 X-Proofpoint-GUID: azR9jnH3Nt0XFtDZJcQVNgR2dOQxkNjP X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: azR9jnH3Nt0XFtDZJcQVNgR2dOQxkNjP X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40457 Cc: "40457@debbugs.gnu.org" <40457@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > A thought just occurred to me -- why not make this a bit more like > > vc-dir (and other modes)? That is, if there's nothing marked, then > > `x' should just work on the package under point. So a bit like `v' > > in vc-dir -- install it if it isn't installed, and delete it if it > > is already installed. > > So I've now done this in Emacs 29. And that's not what the bug report is about, which is: "help about using the pkg-list mode itself" Another "wont-fix". Another doing something different and calling it a fix for a bug, unrelated no less. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:34:00 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2022 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator