From xah@xahlee.org Tue Aug 4 20:22:58 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 5 Aug 2009 03:22:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:22:42 -0700 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18yePJXPSqpB8l2V+0WDgy1axEi291A1klPxNZ Hjjd6UKNcH7SU5v3UcQxg7v8DGtydHPEp4+uzgRNHT1HQR8yDn RnJ4ocTmYDGNDW0dZ4isA== X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. not sure what's the best channel to say this, but i just compiled =20 emacs 23 on my mac nari-a-hitch! Just wanted to say thanks to all the =20= emacs developers. Thank you! this is on a iMac (1.9 Ghz PowerPC G5; the last G5 model), running OS =20= X 10.4.11. GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, NS apple-appkit-824.48) =20= of 2009-08-04 on xahg5.local Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84 From rms@gnu.org Wed Aug 5 19:15:27 2009 Received: (at 4043) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Aug 2009 02:15:28 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n762FQWf021110 for <4043@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:15:27 -0700 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MYsVp-0002ps-S1; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:15:25 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: xah lee , 4043@debbugs.gnu.org CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, xah@xahlee.org In-reply-to: (message from xah lee on Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:22:42 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23! Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:15:25 -0400 You could really thank us by switching from non-free MacOS to a free operating system such as GNU/Linux or BSD. From xah@xahlee.org Sat Aug 8 09:11:29 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Aug 2009 16:11:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:11:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ri/ymIBLjuR4hNgkOBYzzyXe3fpN7j1DzDu9 Rt3Fvh0mM2FQoxWmTjVxntjzo4Gp+9QbyrO0tRmbaUcWipm7+9 M2JTUTGCO7ctIBevsqTtA== X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. How about improving emacs? Because when you improve software of your philosophy, then automatically more people will use it. I would like to see this area improved: • Emacs's Menu Usability Problem http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_menu.html Thank you. Xah ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Stallman" To: "xah lee" ; <4043@debbugs.gnu.org> Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23! > You could really thank us > by switching from non-free MacOS to a free operating system > such as GNU/Linux or BSD. From xah@xahlee.org Sat Aug 8 15:28:26 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Aug 2009 22:28:26 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n78MSOTl027789 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:28:25 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MZuOl-0005e4-T3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:28:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MZuOk-0005c7-DC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:28:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35555 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MZuOk-0005bu-9C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:28:22 -0400 Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195]:64004) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MZuOh-00028O-Og; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:28:19 -0400 Received: from xahPC (c-76-102-12-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.102.12.87]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1MZuOa0lSf-0000mP; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:28:16 -0400 Message-ID: <6794998358F34AF08683C968C09A2F01@xahPC> From: "Xah Lee" To: "Xah Lee" , , <4043@debbugs.gnu.org> Cc: Subject: Re: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23! Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:28:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18oZCrOmcLApv/qUOLpBOqN4+jk5aK6NeANbQL x+fCDH8t56vvifGkzyR8WD8cr65VfzJB1x8mOZm+m/bp0691SD gr6VkOIfnlW9ixmHIS0Ug== X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Correction: Xah wrote: > I would like to see this area improved: Should be: > I think this area is good candidate for improvement: Thanks. Xah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Xah Lee" To: ; <4043@debbugs.gnu.org> Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23! > How about improving emacs? Because when you improve software of your > philosophy, then automatically more people will use it. > > I would like to see this area improved: > > • Emacs's Menu Usability Problem > http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_menu.html > > Thank you. > > Xah > ∑ http://xahlee.org/ > > ☄ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Stallman" > To: "xah lee" ; <4043@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com> > Cc: ; > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23! > > >> You could really thank us >> by switching from non-free MacOS to a free operating system >> such as GNU/Linux or BSD. > From rms@gnu.org Sun Aug 9 13:29:27 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 9 Aug 2009 20:29:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n79KTPbW012458 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:29:26 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaF1A-0003ER-Vs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:29:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaF16-0003BK-0x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:29:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42394 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaF15-0003Ay-T8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:29:19 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:42254) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaF15-00045r-4x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:29:19 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MaF14-0002aW-QL; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:29:18 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: "Xah Lee" CC: 4043@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-reply-to: Subject: Re: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23! Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:29:18 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 How about improving emacs? The person who wrote to thank us for Emacs 23 already likes Emacs. But he is running it on an operating system, MacOS, which does not respect his freedom. I suppose he does not recognize the problem in this. We do hope to improve Emacs, but improving Emacs will not teach people to recognize and reject the evil in MacOS. That is a separate job, and we need to do them both. From cyd@stupidchicken.com Sun Aug 9 16:31:32 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 9 Aug 2009 23:31:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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