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Reply-To: bug#39967 <39967@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 10:47:32 +0000 retitle 39967 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? reassign 39967 emacs submitter 39967 William Rankin severity 39967 normal tag 39967 moreinfo thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 06 23:06:54 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2020 04:06:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAQjl-0004Ka-PW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 23:06:54 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:37535) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAQTA-0003uG-D1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:49:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jAQT8-0005TB-Vx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:49:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jAQT7-0006Au-P8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:49:42 -0500 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:44955) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jAQT7-00066L-9O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:49:41 -0500 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6790822196 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 22:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:49:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bydasein.com; h= from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= fm2; bh=g4Pr6cb7C+l1DBFjO8vZkJuIE6/S9k28ndRLgs3UmSA=; b=qhseK/F+ 93Bej1VGNrqagaEHlc+qJJcepi4xtvIA+HncD7RUuYw15zWgEJiikzb0ZZztK9pu fsAjCBbVApaV+BLxZTY/OUXNcQoZj4QNrCJFZPgP7GyT0B7ziyKgU8k3K4ZHTS79 c2R9G4K8of7vF0k7PtDTyLmgq8C2p1DZ7fX5VEhQ+jCRTg4hhp0xvQfZ5bgjNy4m avW4OkSq1rV/wEkqkIimyONfHAHY4l8dsRtWLpT6RkcNajUhZ0lMkiOT8uG15syt NS/w4Id1dhw0pnT0ZdFts8WhmXJzWfNNwpLGQMAsciYJnLotk9B72BEJeSuSidUR Dy/wF2YCmX9MsQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=g4Pr6cb7C+l1DBFjO8vZkJuIE6/S9 k28ndRLgs3UmSA=; b=3aEVHoBKJylugh00NeFxXNwGUd8cKo/BFGlPiEDdqJFSo c/zAp5TC41vP/G+0gmYAcxBxIMJjDOvSHXtrow56/sb+h3kWf+CMLdbOSSrOwN58 Llen5rIL6yNSaeiGjsPdcmxOYqKF3I8+yZ1MfRQCVAGJUDImVHd7ZYCpoRE69YlY lmg+dnfggBifnhxvXSaElZ26SJPJyVQZL7W7YOUD2kGi7oE7wGExOutxVHvS4G1S gzM5MwXIVNGsMHAK3d71PHHqt49VAb7f0uaVpbY9NFtQma4SuvqY7M3Ccquak8gb qkn6aZL43WhcpiP9YnZmNmr3wOszvFEqBTbo9gTPg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddufedgieehucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpegfhffvufffkfggtgesthdtredttd ertdenucfhrhhomhephghilhhlihgrmhcutfgrnhhkihhnuceofihilhhlihgrmhessgih uggrshgvihhnrdgtohhmqeenucfkphepudeggedrudeftddrudehiedruddvleenucevlh hushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeifihhllhhirghm segshigurghsvghinhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (unknown [144.130.156.129]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 816963060BD1 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 22:49:37 -0500 (EST) User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 27.0.90 From: William Rankin To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:49:33 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.25 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello, I've been on the emacs-27 branch for about six months, and every now and then the point will begin erratically jumping around the current buffer without input. (I only got to addessing it now due to t [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: messagingengine.com] -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.51.188.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [144.130.156.129 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.7 SPF_NEUTRAL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (neutral) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 23:06:52 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) Hello, I've been on the emacs-27 branch for about six months, and every now and then the point will begin erratically jumping around the current buffer without input. (I only got to addessing it now due to the impending release of 27.1.) Some observations: This only happens about once a week. C-g has no effect. There's no clues in *Messages* buffer. Point movement is beyond visible portion of buffer. It usually happens in emacs-lisp-mode buffers that have been open a few hours, but I've experienced it in other modes too. It seems like it could be font-lock/jit-lock moving point around outside of a save-excursion, but I know no way of confiming this. How should I go about debugging this? GNU Emacs 27.0.90 (build 2, x86_64-apple-darwin19.3.0, NS appkit-1894.30 Version 10.15.3 (Build 19D76)) of 2020-03-05 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 07 03:00:55 2020 Received: (at 39967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2020 08:00:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46207 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAUOE-0001Q8-6X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 03:00:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58787) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAUOB-0001Pt-Uk for 39967@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 03:00:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jAUO6-0001AM-LL; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 03:00:46 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3555 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jAUO5-0003AW-0C; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 03:00:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 10:00:43 +0200 Message-Id: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: William Rankin In-Reply-To: (message from William Rankin on Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:49:33 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#39967: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: William Rankin > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:49:33 +1000 > > I've been on the emacs-27 branch for about six months, and every now and then > the point will begin erratically jumping around the current buffer without > input. (I only got to addessing it now due to the impending release of 27.1.) > > Some observations: This only happens about once a week. C-g has no effect. > There's no clues in *Messages* buffer. Point movement is beyond visible portion > of buffer. It usually happens in emacs-lisp-mode buffers that have been open a > few hours, but I've experienced it in other modes too. > > It seems like it could be font-lock/jit-lock moving point around outside of a > save-excursion, but I know no way of confiming this. > > How should I go about debugging this? Find the feature you load/activate in your init files which causes this? 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From: William Rankin In-Reply-To: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 19:10:09 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> References: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> To: Eli Zaretskii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > On 7 Mar 2020, at 6:00 pm, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> How should I go about debugging this? > > Find the feature you load/activate in your init files which causes > this? Hmm given the way it moves point, I would put money on this not being my init. I'm not smart enough to write something that would work in such a sporadic way. I will of course endeavour to isolate my init away from the problem to confirm it's not the culprit, but given that the problem only occurs after hours of use and maybe a couple of times a week, this is going to mean some time before I can give any useful confirmation. Given the impending release of 27.1 maybe there are other avenues I can check too? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 07 06:05:07 2020 Received: (at 39967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2020 11:05:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46290 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAXGU-0005h6-TT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 06:05:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54639) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAXGT-0005gZ-Gh for 39967@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 06:05:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37366) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jAXGO-0006ak-AE; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 06:05:00 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2845 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jAXGN-00086X-FF; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 06:04:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:04:58 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1y4a0it.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: William Rankin In-Reply-To: <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> (message from William Rankin on Sat, 7 Mar 2020 19:10:09 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#39967: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? References: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: William Rankin > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 19:10:09 +1000 > Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Find the feature you load/activate in your init files which causes > > this? > > Hmm given the way it moves point, I would put money on this not being my > init. I'm not smart enough to write something that would work in such a > sporadic way. I didn't mean something you wrote, I meant some feature you turn on that is not turned on by default, a feature that is part of Emacs or some third-party package you are using. > Given the impending release of 27.1 maybe there are other avenues I can > check too? You could try running under GDB with a breakpoint in set_point_both and temp_set_point_both, with breakpoint commands that show the C and Lisp backtrace and then immediately continue the program. Let me know if you need more detailed instructions for setting this up. Can you describe the issue in more detail? Are you saying this happens when Emacs is idle, i.e. you are not typing any commands and no sub-processes should be running? And what exactly do you see when this happens? Also, do you see any error messages in *Messages*? when that happens? FWIW, I don't see anything like this on my system in Emacs 27.0.90, so I have hard time believing that something as basic as JIT font-lock could do this, at least not by default. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 07 07:17:11 2020 Received: (at 39967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2020 12:17:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAYOE-0007Tf-Qh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 07:17:11 -0500 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:35643) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAYOC-0007TT-Tv for 39967@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 07:17:09 -0500 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20C021B2F; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 07:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 07 Mar 2020 07:17:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bydasein.com; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm2; bh=j ECfq31gdFUW6Z77T7PW2Zr/j9y//Gp2hi06hEHrKSE=; b=FasdGJ3StkzBX4Wse pRrh+WpDqwhPHIJRBkGGxw4eoXsL+vZAc1yUsEKawUUGtpKWAM6laKHeVJUBNI5F wbW37hhj5a3cyGh8Pr3UEQh66dTFxrtxFi+xrX8+ue4nf0swPwC4xFb6Q07VzqNU JNo4vNx5A8AFGeec4eN+Q3iz9smkj6bHd8GJHHZ/NUty1TPWTvc2yQlfrqiTS8iE BJ+bi1K5QKBQhn6C9ID6ewBtE0noNdqpo00K0QI1IKiRacWtEX7lajSmNuj/zen1 dyTH7EOkx8A2dOoERAhVkWArPn3E7pGxJXiJvyTEhqQOV4Oy9HJ84T35fLQdB8hR EcuTQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=jECfq31gdFUW6Z77T7PW2Zr/j9y//Gp2hi06hEHrK SE=; b=O7uXSnYhgZ1oAy3OsvmvTkNOQ/ER6lvzTo5BotulvLhzI/bJ2Gf6FVh6x FXAnFCTiLt9Cu/5BVVAUQE5T2oNX1phET8xF+T0xPvKOew3xdobjUPaEP6vZOK3O rfMGced48g0/JrbF/EnUMcR9iLaZeAft2wE1oKrVaXnpy7p6DF1GR3DPsv/NiUxe G4FrVCvWsRxXaZfbyX676VYighgpWl2fq3qo77t1vRXSbQqAg8hbBpGHTDW/Db3o DKKCFLdqtO8M9w8wwX8IwVgPH98a2uc+RZdGSSqgmHzMVhzlfOPvGW5f2b+jisBy OhcfduQeZffCAJkNczm/kCVcmSd8w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddugedgfeelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurheptggguffhjgffgffkfhfvofesthejmhdthhdtvdenucfhrhhomhephghilhhl ihgrmhcutfgrnhhkihhnuceofihilhhlihgrmhessgihuggrshgvihhnrdgtohhmqeenuc fkphepuddvtddrvddvrdektddrfeeinecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghr rghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepfihilhhlihgrmhessgihuggrshgvihhnrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [172.20.10.14] (unknown [120.22.80.36]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BA87D328005E; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 07:17:01 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) Subject: Re: bug#39967: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? From: William Rankin In-Reply-To: <83r1y4a0it.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 22:16:56 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> <83r1y4a0it.fsf@gnu.org> To: Eli Zaretskii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > On 7 Mar 2020, at 9:04 pm, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Hmm given the way it moves point, I would put money on this not being my >> init. I'm not smart enough to write something that would work in such a >> sporadic way. > > I didn't mean something you wrote, I meant some feature you turn on > that is not turned on by default, a feature that is part of Emacs or > some third-party package you are using. Ah I see. Okay, that does increase the surface area. >> Given the impending release of 27.1 maybe there are other avenues I can >> check too? > > You could try running under GDB with a breakpoint in set_point_both > and temp_set_point_both, with breakpoint commands that show the C and > Lisp backtrace and then immediately continue the program. Let me know > if you need more detailed instructions for setting this up. I should be able to figure this out and report back. > Can you describe the issue in more detail? Are you saying this > happens when Emacs is idle, i.e. you are not typing any commands and > no sub-processes should be running? And what exactly do you see when > this happens? Also, do you see any error messages in *Messages*? when > that happens? > > FWIW, I don't see anything like this on my system in Emacs 27.0.90, so > I have hard time believing that something as basic as JIT font-lock > could do this, at least not by default. I've only observed this after Emacs has been open for more than a few hours or overnight. It will only happen after Emacs is idle for a few seconds, i.e. no user input. The point will start jumping to different positions in the buffer, and this will then repeat at regular intervals of ~0.5 seconds per jump. These positions do not appear totally random, but seem like jumps of a similar sized chunk of text, like they are being calculated. I think the only process running is ispell (enchant). There are no error messages in *Messages*. C-g does not immediately stop point jumping, however, if I give more input (e.g. C-n/p or C-x o, etc.) then either this will stop point jumping, or will delay it for ~2 seconds, and then point starts jumping again. This repetition only happens a once or twice before it seems to "finish" and the problem appears gone. There is this in my init: (advice-add 'mark-word :before (lambda (&rest args) (unless (looking-at-p "\\b") (backward-word)))) Could this be causing such havoc?? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 07 08:06:49 2020 Received: (at 39967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2020 13:06:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46370 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAZAG-0002Dl-Rw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 08:06:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAZAF-0002DY-J0 for 39967@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 08:06:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38832) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jAZAA-0002MP-Cc; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 08:06:42 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2323 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jAZA5-0005Os-Pt; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 08:06:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 15:06:37 +0200 Message-Id: <83mu8s9uw2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: William Rankin In-Reply-To: (message from William Rankin on Sat, 7 Mar 2020 22:16:56 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#39967: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? References: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> <83r1y4a0it.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: William Rankin > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 22:16:56 +1000 > Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org > > I've only observed this after Emacs has been open for more than a few > hours or overnight. > > It will only happen after Emacs is idle for a few seconds, i.e. no user > input. > > The point will start jumping to different positions in the buffer, and > this will then repeat at regular intervals of ~0.5 seconds per jump. > These positions do not appear totally random, but seem like jumps of a > similar sized chunk of text, like they are being calculated. If this happens when Emacs is idle, the first suspect is some idle timer you have running. The variable timer-idle-list holds the list of the active idle timers, so look there for some hints. > There is this in my init: > > (advice-add 'mark-word :before > (lambda (&rest args) > (unless (looking-at-p "\\b") > (backward-word)))) > > Could this be causing such havoc?? Unlikely, since this only runs when you invoke mark-word. 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From: William Rankin In-Reply-To: <83mu8s9uw2.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 23:47:24 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9AB559B6-102A-4805-B7A1-55FB0195C9E2@bydasein.com> References: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> <83r1y4a0it.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu8s9uw2.fsf@gnu.org> To: Eli Zaretskii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > On 7 Mar 2020, at 11:06 pm, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > If this happens when Emacs is idle, the first suspect is some idle > timer you have running. The variable timer-idle-list holds the list > of the active idle timers, so look there for some hints. This is what made me suspect jit-lock, because of the 5 sec idle timer=20= followed by jumping at 0.5 secs intervals. Here's my timer list: 0.37 0.01 blink-cursor-timer-function 6.59 - undo-auto--boundary-timer 47.03 1.00 display-time-event-handler * 0.00 t show-paren-function * 0.50 t #f(compiled-function () # = [jit-lock--antiblink-grace-timer jit-lock-context-fontify]) * 0.50 :repeat blink-cursor-start * 1.00 t which-key--update * 5.00 t jit-lock-stealth-fontify Could the sporadic nature hint at the byte-compiled function that calls=20= jit-lock-context-fontify? (Also I see jit-lock-antiblink-grace is new=20 in 27.) Of course there's also which-key, so I've turned that off for the time being. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 07 10:33:03 2020 Received: (at 39967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2020 15:33:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47403 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAbRn-0007yj-8K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 10:33:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47673) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jAbRl-0007yD-Br for 39967@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 10:33:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40428) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jAbRg-0007nc-6Q; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 10:32:56 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3221 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jAbRf-0000pr-Ks; Sat, 07 Mar 2020 10:32:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 17:32:55 +0200 Message-Id: <83eeu49o48.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: William Rankin In-Reply-To: <9AB559B6-102A-4805-B7A1-55FB0195C9E2@bydasein.com> (message from William Rankin on Sat, 7 Mar 2020 23:47:24 +1000) Subject: Re: bug#39967: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? References: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> <83r1y4a0it.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu8s9uw2.fsf@gnu.org> <9AB559B6-102A-4805-B7A1-55FB0195C9E2@bydasein.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: William Rankin > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 23:47:24 +1000 > Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org > > > 0.37 0.01 blink-cursor-timer-function > 6.59 - undo-auto--boundary-timer > 47.03 1.00 display-time-event-handler > * 0.00 t show-paren-function > * 0.50 t #f(compiled-function () # [jit-lock--antiblink-grace-timer jit-lock-context-fontify]) > * 0.50 :repeat blink-cursor-start > * 1.00 t which-key--update > * 5.00 t jit-lock-stealth-fontify > > Could the sporadic nature hint at the byte-compiled function that calls > jit-lock-context-fontify? (Also I see jit-lock-antiblink-grace is new > in 27.) How about changing jit-lock-context-time to something like 1.5, and checking whether this affects the frequency of the jumps in any way? I looked at the code of the involved functions, and couldn't spot any place where they move point without wrapping that in save-excursion. But maybe I'm missing something -- can you see any suspects? Also, do you have any features enabled which could perform a redisplay triggered by point movement? If you do, perhaps they cause point to be displayed when Emacs doesn't expect that. Btw, in your original description you said when point jumps, it's outside of the current window -- but if so, how do you see that it jumps, when the cursor is not shown? And finally, what happens if you disable the blink-cursor-mode? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 10 06:29:26 2020 Received: (at 39967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2020 10:29:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51921 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jBc8c-0007n7-8B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 06:29:26 -0400 Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.19]:58697) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jBc8a-0007mo-0D for 39967@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 06:29:24 -0400 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C2A934; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 06:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 10 Mar 2020 06:29:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bydasein.com; h= references:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=fm2; bh=uVhnb6n65hfvKg7dZXQ2K3Z6Xf JEpiMo/cMmgzmS4Rc=; b=PXsDuaFIkppSKtqmuQO2BDslxGXgNNyJdP7GslofK3 dZ+Jj+30odB3YGdUcvDzBlglYvdQDufOJKWlp1XSWkwGrpQKERr5FL7Nxl/CShN/ 6vJshS54tsxWrDEicLg4IhHOJ/iY6Fw4nNguMGC80LBBoo2rSzL/vRB1l5mxLWvc wyHZFFqVWEYk0hd0HjN077/24iw5g7H50uRZiQyUou8U9Pk8hKSpOjNZS2C2gIhi x0imWI/hlXceOOM/kH0VgLJuiGwtl7PQNND18NfQyDfNDa965x6bYOvzTfH4k3LT lrvZeKmqpgynRmzdSoNs83mzDHObZjtUEsqTfV7achAQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=uVhnb6 n65hfvKg7dZXQ2K3Z6XfJEpiMo/cMmgzmS4Rc=; b=sKNcxNroicsxKWHrHxJlMI XgSRetX8pvj13SB5xq5FbhRF1adkcxIxq88S1bF6dbn/bXPBXvuBX6+EiOxOMKbD q1+hUlT8C2uYABxheusZCZisNAgeNElx8t4HzRupv7Nq0FxN2Ccdws3KnOMC1rjH MpKHdMpw0A6EgxK0Enj3y8vfXxNHO14yPGJ8SfRguJGCOdm6AGJ+1m8ftpYmy9Nc zafukDN5j7s1u6xtmlArFb+hdb+Bs9MaP8gRR0YElAUTp70GhzxXzeZ4c93N9+wp Iul2a+0bFgcfov8IY6Z+NdKLjromrsN0ahvFHX/gCAUek46MK2rFrQ/Z7+r0Vv3A == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddvtddgudehucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfhgfhffvufgjfffkgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpeghihhllhhi rghmucftrghnkhhinhcuoeifihhllhhirghmsegshigurghsvghinhdrtghomheqnecukf hppeduvddtrddvvddrjeegrdeggeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgr mhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeifihhllhhirghmsegshigurghsvghinhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (unknown [120.22.74.44]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0EF983060F09; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 06:29:15 -0400 (EDT) References: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> <83r1y4a0it.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu8s9uw2.fsf@gnu.org> <9AB559B6-102A-4805-B7A1-55FB0195C9E2@bydasein.com> <83eeu49o48.fsf@gnu.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 27.0.90 From: William Rankin To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#39967: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? In-reply-to: <83eeu49o48.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:29:09 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sun, Mar 08 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > How about changing jit-lock-context-time to something like 1.5, and > checking whether this affects the frequency of the jumps in any way? Good idea. I think the difficulty with debugging this is how difficult it will be for me to solve without reliably reproducing it. > I looked at the code of the involved functions, and couldn't spot any > place where they move point without wrapping that in save-excursion. > But maybe I'm missing something -- can you see any suspects? The only thing (I'm guessing here) is that the macro with-buffer-prepared-for-jit-lock uses inhibit-point-motion-hooks which is marked obsolete since Emacs-25.1; but there's nothing in the NEWS about this. Also manually calling jit-lock-context-fontify or jit-lock-stealth-fontify doesn't move point :/ > Also, do you have any features enabled which could perform a redisplay > triggered by point movement? If you do, perhaps they cause point to > be displayed when Emacs doesn't expect that. This would only be on post-command-hook or with cursor-sensor-mode activated right? As far as I can tell I don't have any buffers with cursor-sensor-mode active, and this is the value of post-command-hook in an elisp buffer: (jit-lock--antiblink-post-command eldoc-schedule-timer t) Local in buffer binder.el; global value is (global-font-lock-mode-check-buffers global-eldoc-mode-check-buffers global-page-break-lines-mode-check-buffers) > Btw, in your original description you said when point jumps, it's > outside of the current window -- but if so, how do you see that it > jumps, when the cursor is not shown? Sorry, I was unclear. I only meant that e.g. if the window shows buffer lines 500 - 580 then point may jump to position 250, i.e. beyond the window boundaries, and the window scrolls to keep point visible. So essentially the window jumps around to follow point jumping around. > And finally, what happens if you disable the blink-cursor-mode? Done. Still a waiting game... 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Rankin" To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#39967: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? In-Reply-To: <87k0edqg8l.fsf@gnus.org> References: <831rq4bnmc.fsf@gnu.org> <813C2B33-3356-4E32-A50D-4D4B9D2B3C74@bydasein.com> <83r1y4a0it.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu8s9uw2.fsf@gnu.org> <9AB559B6-102A-4805-B7A1-55FB0195C9E2@bydasein.com> <83eeu49o48.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0edqg8l.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Purely Mail via Roundcube/1.5.1 Message-ID: <450d81852192d7bf44e780aca65d7537@purelymail.com> X-Sender: pwr@bydasein.com Organization: By Dasein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39967 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39967@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2022-02-03 04:24, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > Are you still seeing this odd behaviour in more recent Emacs versions? I haven't seen this in a while; I think it was isolated to that version/build. Thanks for following up. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 05 01:34:57 2022 Received: (at 39967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2022 06:34:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33496 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGEev-0005eP-IV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 01:34:57 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:41932) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGEet-0005e1-Cy for 39967@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 01:34:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=dR1W2Vp0UExRK8/V8D/jQZwFJHT7cqxBE02mT1z5IQo=; b=o38XYvHn9kNNQhyE8upqS/+Lj5 NjS2ySSTMVfe87+mcYVp8mviiDEW386SiJWjU0ENvmRCIg2KvvAM9P8gdTCj+WJxtfHavkIlBPCYN XGeOzFnIFzVKxivMKam4UajkE+q0pKdPB6qgkZCdaBHr3QdfZt4aqwvTQUsRKtEZNwVw=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nGEej-00057t-Sr; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 07:34:49 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Paul W. Rankin" Subject: Re: bug#39967: 27.0.90; how to debug point moving erratically? 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Rankin's message of "Fri, 04 Feb 2022 15:06:05 +1000") Message-ID: <874k5dg6t8.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Paul W. Rankin" writes: >> Are you still seeing this odd behaviour in more recent Emacs >> versions? > > I haven't seen this in a while; I think it was isolated to that > version/build. 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