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27.0.90; cannot turn on orgtbl

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Tak Kunihiro <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Cc: 国広卓也 <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>
Subject: 27.0.90; cannot turn on orgtbl
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 17:11:25 +0900

I cannot call turn-on-orgtbl without (require 'org).
It is autoload function.  I guess this is bug.

$ emacs --version
GNU Emacs 27.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G3020)) of 2020-03-04
$ emacs -Q
(turn-on-orgtbl) ;=> progn: Symbol’s function definition is void: turn-on-orgtbl
(require 'org-table) 
(turn-on-orgtbl) ;=> orgtbl-mode: Symbol’s function definition is void: org-load-modules-maybe
(require 'org)
(turn-on-orgtbl) ;=> t

Message #8 received at 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Tak Kunihiro <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#39893: 27.0.90; cannot turn on orgtbl
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 17:23:09 +0200

> From: Tak Kunihiro <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 17:11:25 +0900
> Cc: 国広卓也 <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>
> 
> I cannot call turn-on-orgtbl without (require 'org).
> It is autoload function.  I guess this is bug.

Is it?  The autoloads from the org-*.el files go to org-loaddefs.el,
which is loaded by org.el.  So this looks to me correct and expected.

Message #11 received at 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Tak Kunihiro <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>, 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#39893: 27.0.90; cannot turn on orgtbl
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 11:04:40 -0500

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> I cannot call turn-on-orgtbl without (require 'org).
>> It is autoload function.  I guess this is bug.
>
> Is it?  The autoloads from the org-*.el files go to org-loaddefs.el,
> which is loaded by org.el.  So this looks to me correct and expected.

I think it's mainly a problem with the *Help* display causing wrong
expectations, see also Bug#26782 "describe-function and autoloads not in
main loaddefs" and Bug#33901 "cl-letf is unexpectedly not autoloaded".

https://debbugs.gnu.org/26782
https://debbugs.gnu.org/33901

Message #14 received at 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Tak Kunihiro <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>
To: 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 国広卓也 <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>,
 Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#39893: 27.0.90; cannot turn on orgtbl
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:17:46 +0900

I cannot call turn-on-orgtbl without (require ‘org) on 27.0.90.
I can call turn-on-orgtbl without (require ‘org) on 26.3.

Thus I thought something unexpected happen.  If it is expected
behavior, I think it’s okay.

$ emacs —version
GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G2022)) of 2020-01-23
$ emacs -Q
(turn-on-orgtbl) ;=> t


> On Mar 5, 2020, at 01:04 , Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
>>> I cannot call turn-on-orgtbl without (require 'org).
>>> It is autoload function.  I guess this is bug.
>> 
>> Is it?  The autoloads from the org-*.el files go to org-loaddefs.el,
>> which is loaded by org.el.  So this looks to me correct and expected.
> 
> I think it's mainly a problem with the *Help* display causing wrong
> expectations, see also Bug#26782 "describe-function and autoloads not in
> main loaddefs" and Bug#33901 "cl-letf is unexpectedly not autoloaded".
> 
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/26782
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/33901


> On Mar 4, 2020, at 17:11 , Tak Kunihiro <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I cannot call turn-on-orgtbl without (require 'org).
> It is autoload function.  I guess this is bug.
> 
> $ emacs --version
> GNU Emacs 27.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G3020)) of 2020-03-04
> $ emacs -Q
> (turn-on-orgtbl) ;=> progn: Symbol’s function definition is void: turn-on-orgtbl
> (require 'org-table) 
> (turn-on-orgtbl) ;=> orgtbl-mode: Symbol’s function definition is void: org-load-modules-maybe
> (require 'org)
> (turn-on-orgtbl) ;=> t

Message #17 received at 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Tak Kunihiro <homeros.misasa <at> gmail.com>
To: Tak Kunihiro <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, tkk <at> misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp,
 Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>, 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#39893: 27.0.90; cannot turn on orgtbl
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 10:08:44 +0900

tags 39893 notabug
close 39893

Message #20 received at 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> gmail.com>
To: Tak Kunihiro <homeros.misasa <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, tkk <at> misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp,
 Tak Kunihiro <tak.kunihiro <at> gmail.com>, 39893 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#39893: 27.0.90; cannot turn on orgtbl
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 23:20:25 -0400

Tak Kunihiro <homeros.misasa <at> gmail.com> writes:

> tags 39893 notabug
> close 39893

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