From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:44 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#39848 <39848@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#39848 <39848@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer Reply-To: bug#39848 <39848@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:13:44 +0000 retitle 39848 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line = Wrapping in This Buffer reassign 39848 emacs submitter 39848 Drew Adams severity 39848 minor tag 39848 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 29 19:46:51 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2020 00:46:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35598 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8Ckt-0006Qt-0T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:46:51 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:49373) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8Ckr-0006Qm-Qa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Sun, 01 Mar 2020 00:46:42 +0000 Received: from abhmp0010.oracle.com (abhmp0010.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0210keoX016913 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 00:46:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <62a1ef4d-e9fa-4757-977d-dcb9d3e4aa52@default> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:46:39 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9546 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=843 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003010001 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9546 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=906 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003010001 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.78 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) emacs -Q C-h k As one example, choose from menu-bar: Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer > Wrap at Window Edge Buffer *Help* shows this: runs the command #[nil = "=08\203=08\0\300\303!\210\304 \205\0\305\306!\207" [visual-line-mode word-wrap truncate-lines 0 nil toggle-truncate-lines -1] 2 nil nil] (found in global-map), which is an interactive compiled Lisp function. It is bound to . (anonymous) Not documented. That's nearly useless. It doesn't take advantage of Emacs or Lisp. 1. Please provide named commands for all Options menu choices. 2. Please try to have *Help* point to the file that defines those commands. 3. Please keep byte-compiler gobbledygook out of Emacs help. Consider this reasonable question, as one point of departure: https://stackoverflow.com/q/60468217/729907 Yes, there's no satisfactory one-word answer to that user's question, but s?he should at least be able to more easily track down the code that provides the option behavior for the current buffer. As it is now, it's not even obvious that the code is in menu-bar.el. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 29 22:41:44 2020 Received: (at 39848) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2020 03:41:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35659 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8FU8-0004YU-Nu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:41:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40589) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8FU7-0004YI-21 for 39848@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:41:43 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40521) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j8FU1-0005BT-O3; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:41:37 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4053 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j8FU1-00049Z-4i; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:41:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 05:41:29 +0200 Message-Id: <834kv8eo7q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <62a1ef4d-e9fa-4757-977d-dcb9d3e4aa52@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:46:39 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#39848: 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer References: <62a1ef4d-e9fa-4757-977d-dcb9d3e4aa52@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39848 Cc: 39848@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:46:39 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > emacs -Q > > C-h k > > As one example, choose from menu-bar: Options > Line Wrapping in This > Buffer > Wrap at Window Edge > > Buffer *Help* shows this: > > runs the command #[nil "\203\0\300\303!\210\304 > \205\0\305\306!\207" [visual-line-mode word-wrap truncate-lines 0 > nil toggle-truncate-lines -1] 2 nil nil] (found in global-map), which > is an interactive compiled Lisp function. > > It is bound to . > > (anonymous) > > Not documented. > > That's nearly useless. It doesn't take advantage of Emacs or Lisp. This is already fixed in Emacs 27. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 29 23:04:48 2020 Received: (at 39848) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2020 04:04:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35668 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8FqS-0005F0-1H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 23:04:48 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:48646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8FqQ-0005Ek-W3; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 23:04:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=4snfURNS7+1amvUmr4K7jtrvDWgn2EtkMld3zZ9zW7Q=; b=P+h0G+oypZUYC5tXJqOUsa7CqK dnqS7XTYBLPimaMceKu/CROA7L7o/hp05YdmwoIW7i05X5dcWq5O1YABuEn1RexWei7RuvzY4FPus 64RaTsKlFNRV+e0emyhLphVMD3ra1oMqQKaahcvRmzKPJ8hIwGQ1MOkHFJ1kZm0sW1LB6LYYl/mSk 2XdF8a8dvDaNKkMd0DfrgxqxTQ0w2Rq3STWCLz3EzOLJVSawVPwI1aXSdc1PTk+1oTYGgWoNv2eyj VLw40AX9j9+nHU5XzUV2ecwO59691/3YSrIwbiAE2QcJ3q+FscDMjWiUHCBBuBAHpTU5R23TFTWkf N9np+phQ==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:40682 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1j8FqL-000WUX-3C; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 23:04:41 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#39848: 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer In-Reply-To: <834kv8eo7q.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 01 Mar 2020 05:41:29 +0200") References: <62a1ef4d-e9fa-4757-977d-dcb9d3e4aa52@default> <834kv8eo7q.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 05:04:38 +0100 Message-ID: <8736as67qh.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39848 Cc: 39848@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) unarchive 13841 forcemerge 13841 39848 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: > This is already fixed in Emacs 27. Indeed, so I'm merging this bug with the previous one. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 01 12:34:59 2020 Received: (at 39848) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2020 17:34:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36913 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8SUV-0000wI-2I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:34:59 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:45392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8SUT-0000w3-7i for 39848@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:34:57 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 021HXinC102345; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 17:34:51 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=my/oDTX4/lAQRkLaN6ytFrQdWfC6I59jNyi46XitErI=; b=EyyAnIpnExqf0bX6fD98wapGl4wkE+tbQ0+jASxwx8nisJr5JSR/LVc+taZP1AKX1FfK VZ17EKXcyL77Q6OSpM9PVXZU42NtWamqOIZruoZ2B7g04bDLYGWzfrRoIsgHLPel44NU YAc3AHWj7hF2/ZZCufnJgyV1//yEJ6+H4gx7MPFVZrQxZpwXfwr1YKwcCFxe1vVaMPUO ksG3T0EppH3B2jUBhtdYFJwRvGCw/1+DPqDV6U31m37l3YzofFBmIemZz4IbqD7c124N OSyctXLZ5PeCayJRVG9WfqSA+QKgV+WxNlS73ZJeTHdjwygj/vAavtKFifwuxI7nf3yy hw== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yffcu45db-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:34:51 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 021HWMYH086845; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 17:34:50 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yg1nyqt1b-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:34:50 +0000 Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 021HYmxk015708; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 17:34:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 09:34:47 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Kangas , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#39848: 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer References: <62a1ef4d-e9fa-4757-977d-dcb9d3e4aa52@default> <834kv8eo7q.fsf@gnu.org> <8736as67qh.fsf@stefankangas.se> In-Reply-To: <8736as67qh.fsf@stefankangas.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9547 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003010137 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9547 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 impostorscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003010137 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39848 Cc: 39848@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > unarchive 13841 > forcemerge 13841 39848 > thanks >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > > This is already fixed in Emacs 27. >=20 > Indeed, so I'm merging this bug with the previous one. Yes, thanks. I didn't realize this is essentially a duplicate. Is this taken care of _generally_, as requested in #39848, or is it just taken care of for items in this menu? If fixed generally, then I guess it can be closed. --- However, I do have a remark about what I see in Emacs 27 (a dev snapshot from 2019-12-28): runs the command menu-bar--wrap-long-lines-window-edge (found in global-map), which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in 'menu-bar.el'. It is bound to . (menu-bar--wrap-long-lines-window-edge) Wrap long lines at window edge. Command `menu-bar--wrap-long-lines-window-edge' is precisely the kind of command that a user might use, either directly or in lisp code. So I really don't see why it's considered "internal" (double-hyphen name). I also don't see why it's in menu-bar.el or it has prefix `menu-bar-'. There's nothing menu-specific about it. Not only that, but unlike what menu `Options' has generally been for, this item does not just toggle a single user option value. It toggles two options and turns off a minor mode. Perhaps there are other considerations, but at least on the face of it this command (and its sister commands here) doesn't seem to belong in menu-bar.el, and it may not belong in menu `Options' either. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 01 12:53:39 2020 Received: (at 39848) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2020 17:53:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36926 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8SmZ-0001Po-L5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:53:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47031) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8SmX-0001Pa-QS for 39848@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:53:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51294) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j8SmS-0001lj-5A; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:53:32 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4333 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j8SmR-0002uh-E0; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 12:53:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 19:53:23 +0200 Message-Id: <83pndwynak.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 1 Mar 2020 09:34:47 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#39848: 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer References: <62a1ef4d-e9fa-4757-977d-dcb9d3e4aa52@default> <834kv8eo7q.fsf@gnu.org> <8736as67qh.fsf@stefankangas.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39848 Cc: 39848@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 09:34:47 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 39848@debbugs.gnu.org > > Command `menu-bar--wrap-long-lines-window-edge' > is precisely the kind of command that a user > might use, either directly or in lisp code. Why would they, when commands like visual-line-mode exist? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 01 16:50:29 2020 Received: (at 39848) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2020 21:50:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37064 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8WTl-0000O4-5f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 16:50:29 -0500 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:49394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8WTj-0000No-NS for 39848@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 16:50:28 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 021LoKhi185100; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 21:50:20 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=SWrBZazg9cP78f+Gip0TfTwwCoSJMvNlJYdCy+/T534=; b=qNobb2OdkzGs970YeHsoWyP5iSUcsnSUa480z6Cm15V22sp75jZMeEi/hsmBGB/8z7hK YF9hQopOIAfJjGQu+S/Ul46hCg1aK+tj+YNnGyEx+kkE32ORfOc6ooMxnnFs7vc+qTE2 OLE65iH/IpY1342c6kTdXIyvVasP8mclXvldzShnyiE7Sf9TvdTTcjecvk60VEePJX4Y 4XvVQ6uqXeC6yisPeV6NH+sqYGf2E1cnBG9zUPjaGj1pOsnEADOJsnk/jXAw/X8DWdIP AUfZDJ06wEyvxfC31TtKX5tmNbXQ8BThuGgwi0Fa87euSuFXIMuvLKFZuFImvXj5kkk8 2Q== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yghn2rbcd-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 01 Mar 2020 21:50:20 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 021LkwM0093464; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 21:50:20 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yg1gtndmt-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 01 Mar 2020 21:50:19 +0000 Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 021LoH74007120; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 21:50:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#39848: 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer References: <<62a1ef4d-e9fa-4757-977d-dcb9d3e4aa52@default>> <<834kv8eo7q.fsf@gnu.org>> <<8736as67qh.fsf@stefankangas.se>> <> <<83pndwynak.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83pndwynak.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9547 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=968 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003010172 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9547 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2003010172 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39848 Cc: 39848@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Command `menu-bar--wrap-long-lines-window-edge' > > is precisely the kind of command that a user > > might use, either directly or in lisp code. >=20 > Why would they, when commands like visual-line-mode exist? Same reason they'd use it from a menu. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 02 03:00:15 2020 Received: (at 39848) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2020 08:00:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37230 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8fzr-00049G-Br for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 03:00:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47730) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j8fzp-000491-Lv for 39848@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 03:00:14 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34812) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j8fzk-0003tm-03; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 03:00:08 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4770 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j8fzj-0008Sf-3G; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 03:00:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 10:00:01 +0200 Message-Id: <83imjnyyny.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:50:16 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#39848: 26.3; Provide better help for menu-bar, e.g., Options > Line Wrapping in This Buffer References: <<62a1ef4d-e9fa-4757-977d-dcb9d3e4aa52@default>> <<834kv8eo7q.fsf@gnu.org>> <<8736as67qh.fsf@stefankangas.se>> <> <<83pndwynak.fsf@gnu.org>> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39848 Cc: 39848@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:50:16 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 39848@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Command `menu-bar--wrap-long-lines-window-edge' > > > is precisely the kind of command that a user > > > might use, either directly or in lisp code. > > > > Why would they, when commands like visual-line-mode exist? > > Same reason they'd use it from a menu. Invoking a command from the menu doesn't involve naming the command, it just involves clicking with the mouse and selecting the menu item. By contrast, invoking commands by name involves typing that name. And we already have commands that perform the same operation as this menu item. So having yet another advertised command which subtly differs from those we have already (the differences make sense when you invoke a command from the menu) makes little sense to me. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:44 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator