From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:21:17 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#39802 <39802@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#39802 <39802@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") doesn't explain how to unbind local keys Reply-To: bug#39802 <39802@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:21:17 +0000 retitle 39802 (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") doesn't explain how to unbind= local keys reassign 39802 emacs submitter 39802 =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson severity 39802 wishlist tag 39802 patch fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 26 10:49:00 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2020 15:49:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57609 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6yvk-0006c8-3j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:49:00 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:39823) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6yvi-0006c0-OA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:48:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59753) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j6yvh-0007YB-CX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:48:58 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j6yvg-0007VA-5j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:48:57 -0500 Received: from blue.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.20]:59518) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j6yvf-0007Jl-KB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:48:56 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0332F540A67 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-0-12.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.0.12]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3431C541343 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:48:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:48:52 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Troubled-Tank: 55c5c4612bade80a_1582732132606_3120088369 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1582732132605:3838043518 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1582732132605 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3974AAFF37 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 07:48:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=gdr2V8mpgFUEI5PbvTMPH8Ow+2w=; b=g8eT33lU7got8de4 3qVWbn9G73l2oIWeagrOxiZkfP1L0LDUmFeWc+zP6amBnIZEUkZlqQHxLsexc0f7 QN4RXK3OoqcrdkCqHGKpqkdYB8y6xhvBnYe+WhsPzJlHv5B98AXFrPsEsdvwkj6g ISFac5aCYf6fuQUnVsRS6DJMVqs= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-5-101.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.5.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a65.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C26D182267 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a65 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 23:48:43 +0800 Message-ID: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrleeggdekvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehsthgrtghkohhvvghrfhhlohifrdgtohhmpdhgihhthhhusgdrtghomhenucfkphepvddvtddrudegtddrhedruddtudenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepvddvtddrudegtddrhedruddtuddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegsuhhgqdhgnhhuqdgvmhgrtghssehgnhhurdhorhhg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 23.83.212.20 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) On(info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") at the end, please have the page "admit" that their is no way to unbind a key from a local map. That would save the user a lot of guessing. Currently the page just ends in an example of binding a key in a local map. Users need to know it is in fact impossible to unbind them. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22834506/how-to-unset-a-keybinding-in-a-map-locally-to-a-mode https://github.com/jwiegley/use-package/issues/103 emacs-version "26.3" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 26 11:17:45 2020 Received: (at 39802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2020 16:17:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57616 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6zNZ-0007Ly-Ei for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 11:17:45 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com ([209.85.160.180]:45935) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6zNW-0007Lj-Jp for 39802@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 11:17:43 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id d9so2614777qte.12 for <39802@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 08:17:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JVON0Ov9k8aCQcV2Y9w9K+2doG95xAKwaynuwbVtkr0=; b=PzRLhcklRa8pdjaZJLn+Kh0ZeVo0JqRHBt6lHJubybV5NUye4enannzGW1hi0km27g W+F5+GnMfjG/aWP1oTsKFn8yh99MY4D2CRPrkSM2VOUV82bf8BiwzzWvGJAat8RR1AWF I7lWmKIlZaewxEkhIawsby+dTxIEgfwCS4epTVABAbHUJoBhW/eZLAyAGVF3WkM+sPmE KvvVnwrvgNC1lRrVf7k5L9E3n5iX17nTsnqiJyY2DXEl9RsSpGxRj7g/qB/RbpMsp1+p 020DWc+OPS13uaDHo4sU8dqCAHI1/viivTwrJfvUg1nE14745IuKbM7Pu7Yvi3VDlPkj dlSQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JVON0Ov9k8aCQcV2Y9w9K+2doG95xAKwaynuwbVtkr0=; b=E3zmyOYSgGh41S92VwdGleww90qWgvRDGqxEZV0Av55Dx5WA4PBOFyvF5QolK07IEa Vgt9Y3yhfUusjt799aMF+5BbfA12estki6T3g271jtiJ1IVLyK8Y+IFJnc1C7lOoufak maNF34OyOyEqeoxDPgaRXDijDq1QAqhV5oVejOHblZ0KZU1SVMwGPaol7uqoIl/0rsBh BAYd9vem+ykhQ70hAZ5zRc7HloIIi7pMUUR6D/742bOFT/bsvssykhytQFz7yLtHI1Sc zkO1WIEPJk1FPQDzoElgtbtPVn5jTq7WVk/whqMx/Dp9mCQHCbBGCwSlaRTo6rOAaK1k 8//A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXiqffdBabA7vHnlifEc8BdkUPUPFNwYxxSthYaiLe9Xu2fie3x 4Kl0luBkT0IWCWf8Buk6dd/kzvrNlYs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyLTbeqAvRHvTT+vnG/xX+2I3jKtGMfsQgUduAiLBvcrDqZq1cIMDAAo+tqxw/oxWo0edoBgQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:6bd1:: with SMTP id b17mr4457268qtt.28.1582733856817; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 08:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from vhost2 (CPE001143542e1f-CMf81d0f809fa0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. [99.230.38.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o4sm1347304qki.26.2020.02.26.08.17.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 26 Feb 2020 08:17:36 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: =?shift_jis?B?kM+ST5Py?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 11:17:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?shift_jis?B?IpDPkk+T8g==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Wed, 26 Feb 2020 23:48:43 +0800") Message-ID: <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=shift_jis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =90=CF=92O=93=F2 Dan Jacobson writes: > On(info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") > at the end, please have the page "admit" that their is no way to unbind a= key from a > local map. Your terminology is a bit confusing here. From this description I might think that you are looking for local-unset-key (that is, "local map" =3D=3D current major mode map, which is how the manual is using it). But based on the links you posted, I guess you are actually talking about the lack of buffer-local keymap values? 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It is bound to C-., C-M-i. And the user wants to unbind it, well, (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") won't break the bad news to him that it is just not possible. 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[99.230.38.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x14sm1398781qkf.99.2020.02.26.09.04.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:04:06 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: =?shift_jis?B?kM+ST5Py?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 12:04:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?shift_jis?B?IpDPkk+T8g==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Thu, 27 Feb 2020 00:31:53 +0800") Message-ID: <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=shift_jis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =90=CF=92O=93=F2 Dan Jacobson writes: > If > > C-. runs the command flyspell-auto-correct-word (found in > flyspell-mode-map), which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in > =81eflyspell.el=81f. > > It is bound to C-., C-M-i. > > And the user wants to unbind it, well, > (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") > won't break the bad news to him that it is just not possible. If I understood correctly, then (define-key flyspell-mode-map (kbd "C-.") nil) would work. 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Please add this patch (i.e., fix the source file) to (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") For example, Texinfo mode runs the hook =E2=80=98texinfo-mode-hook=E2= =80=99. 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[45.2.119.47]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i28sm3204930qtc.57.2020.02.27.05.14.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 27 Feb 2020 05:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:14:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:22:10 +0800") Message-ID: <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable retitle 39802 (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") doesn't explain how to unbind= local keys tags 39802 + patch quit =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > OK! > Please add this patch (i.e., fix the source file) to > (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") I think it would be useful to explain what to do outside of the example, so I propose a slightly different patch. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-Explain-how-to-unset-mode-bindings-Bug-39802.patch Content-Description: patch >From 980d36d8748ff4598132b704487487691e165334 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Noam Postavsky Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:09:44 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Explain how to unset mode bindings (Bug#39802) * doc/emacs/custom.texi (Init Rebinding): Explain that passing nil to define-key will unbind keys, and extend the example accordingly. --- doc/emacs/custom.texi | 18 +++++++++++------- 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/emacs/custom.texi b/doc/emacs/custom.texi index f39ce40931..5232ab5cc7 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/custom.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/custom.texi @@ -1873,15 +1873,18 @@ Init Rebinding Language and coding systems may cause problems with key bindings for non-@acronym{ASCII} characters. @xref{Init Non-ASCII}. +@findex define-key As described in @ref{Local Keymaps}, major modes and minor modes can -define local keymaps. These keymaps are constructed when the mode is -used for the first time in a session. If you wish to change one of -these keymaps, you must use the @dfn{mode hook} (@pxref{Hooks}). +define local keymaps. The function @code{define-key} can be used to +make changes in a specific keymap. This function can also unset keys, +when passed @code{nil} as the binding. -@findex define-key - For example, Texinfo mode runs the hook @code{texinfo-mode-hook}. -Here's how you can use the hook to add local bindings for @kbd{C-c n} -and @kbd{C-c p} in Texinfo mode: + Since a mode's keymaps are not constructed until it has been loaded, +you must delay running code which modifies them until, e.g., by +putting it no a @dfn{mode hook} (pxref{(Hooks)}). For example, +Texinfo mode runs the hook @code{texinfo-mode-hook}. Here's how you +can use the hook to add local bindings for @kbd{C-c n} and @kbd{C-c +p}, and remove the one for @kbd{C-c C-x x} in Texinfo mode: @example (add-hook 'texinfo-mode-hook @@ -1890,6 +1893,7 @@ Init Rebinding 'backward-paragraph) (define-key texinfo-mode-map "\C-cn" 'forward-paragraph))) + (define-key texinfo-mode-map "\C-c\C-xx" nil) @end example @node Modifier Keys -- 2.11.0 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 27 08:26:21 2020 Received: (at 39802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Feb 2020 13:26:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58864 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7JBF-0001LW-3a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:26:21 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f49.google.com ([209.85.128.49]:34964) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7JBD-0001LJ-6Y for 39802@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:26:19 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f49.google.com with SMTP id m3so3426831wmi.0 for <39802@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 05:26:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version; bh=oFZZ4pJu0ETXRVq96rLVAC+/n152HZShQ6WFhgzBzBc=; b=Q/Q9/fPlYTg5p6XC50JROoFzJHHetzsfd30mxnFOXk2/acsemrzqf+c4mGQ3zMuzna UI/QuHiilEogpcJTD/zsl2EQrYTzs7PJzaabaaCPsCPyCqp2/z6H54yvv97kBC+YBDha 8OQyw+pgUSLVLIiLdgmfSPUXHF/ZZ/hUEY1P1+aQoKkIizZp1FOKiIKnvMoKiVG1EM/w FKOSKLeP3lMFiIjFf6Qn7Zn0PhgrmaBwNSB4d2brctqgUpWrt7bgyWFCrR1diCYzwey9 NlA7gHJ0Bta2LDayczwvz+aBOZviwo/YZv4KKQagm+/HVtJrvtMNTVs5dk9m5EEQe6H1 Zi0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=oFZZ4pJu0ETXRVq96rLVAC+/n152HZShQ6WFhgzBzBc=; b=Mx2sOB8vl9wXH2TR20BUM4lN+AGdPfD60nZ0Xss8p2YyRd9xymz5jlwGe0+xjeQUqc +WIPWypKZs+FAUYiLzUairk0wt9WEVnMpykVqBRniPZJC4tpE630E7aZXv6ybU/TxWTz zJBcd3BlgMCgqUnn4AKc04wUM5Y6yzkMD2GSb4RJl6c/Wq3L8yxtMrW73+w+JrulugGd O8rnXICK6sMJoz2zt6+xlvRJhmSML68BuWVc90J1HcCh75wQnCEal8L7gxdk0Q2zA7XB wNlvT0/8PV5Oi+F58YOP9ULNqB95UMHi2IvktTi8QGWMxzTUPhBrx6oDTUosnSdx+M5P Lppw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVdyfln6hOffp6rwTcDSmkrUUs+JhVMDBdf9wfeY4ccYTlYSBUT bx+bCmar5pP51zl/yW9HPZLzwr3DytA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw7Z5/9dmkAhvrm6m0+fBigl3SvEJbgb4q4SdjFNNz1S/j5DBKKSd0gckE6XV9NFEKKNqrkow== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:108:: with SMTP id 8mr5332951wmb.30.1582809973173; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 05:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z11sm953764wmd.47.2020.02.27.05.26.12 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 27 Feb 2020 05:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim To: Noam Postavsky Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 14:26:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:14:56 -0500") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:14:56 -0500, Noam Postavsky said: The text looks good, except for... Noam> -@findex define-key Noam> - For example, Texinfo mode runs the hook @code{texinfo-mode-hook}. Noam> -Here's how you can use the hook to add local bindings for @kbd{C-c n} Noam> -and @kbd{C-c p} in Texinfo mode: Noam> + Since a mode's keymaps are not constructed until it has been loaded, Noam> +you must delay running code which modifies them until, e.g., by Noam> +putting it no a @dfn{mode hook} (pxref{(Hooks)}). For example, ^^ Robert From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 28 02:52:43 2020 Received: (at 39802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2020 07:52:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60592 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7aRv-0005Al-D8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 02:52:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52211) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7aRt-0005AX-8q for 39802@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 02:52:41 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j7aRo-0003iy-0I; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 02:52:36 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1091 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j7aRn-0005It-BP; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 02:52:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 09:52:22 +0200 Message-Id: <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Noam Postavsky In-reply-to: <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Noam Postavsky on Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:14:56 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:14:56 -0500 > Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org > > +@findex define-key > As described in @ref{Local Keymaps}, major modes and minor modes can > -define local keymaps. These keymaps are constructed when the mode is > -used for the first time in a session. If you wish to change one of > -these keymaps, you must use the @dfn{mode hook} (@pxref{Hooks}). > +define local keymaps. The function @code{define-key} can be used to > +make changes in a specific keymap. This function can also unset keys, > +when passed @code{nil} as the binding. This loses useful information in the sentence that starts with "These keymaps". Otherwise I'm okay with the proposed change. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 28 03:48:26 2020 Received: (at 39802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2020 08:48:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60656 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7bJq-0000IN-0Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 03:48:26 -0500 Received: from smtp-4.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.59]:60943) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7bJo-0000IE-3F for 39802@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 03:48:24 -0500 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=43474 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-4.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j7bJj-00059l-Cq; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 21:48:19 +1300 Received: from wlgwil-nat-office.catalyst.net.nz ([202.78.240.7]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Fri, 28 Feb 2020 21:48:19 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 21:48:19 +1300 From: Phil Sainty To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys In-Reply-To: <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <426e4157abb6da2db5680890328f4c7a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: jidanni@jidanni.org, Noam Postavsky , 39802@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Perhaps my answer at https://stackoverflow.com/a/13966287/324105 also provides some helpful wording? (It can be appropriated for the manual if it's useful.) -Phil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 28 05:05:07 2020 Received: (at 39802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2020 10:05:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60675 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7cW2-0002Nx-QF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:05:06 -0500 Received: from mail-qv1-f46.google.com ([209.85.219.46]:46426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7cW1-0002NM-5O for 39802@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:05:05 -0500 Received: by mail-qv1-f46.google.com with SMTP id bo12so1029701qvb.13 for <39802@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 02:05:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=wzsAU3G7bRaDf7uXM7T6DiTTRAZ8ae9SzxJQAORdzgI=; b=sPjnjwMPIi4W+uH6oeNzshD15aGEX790HW2xguo8aVy9BUoEf1fNmaQ+bfwHRhSP43 faCi6gIPmE4BHJ7mWP5r0Tpve2DAFVbGrNwAJ5AthjgBhFTlumD+wNI08v/Omy1kAWP6 FfX2klEbPDSQVrwwIQl51KzyPCJNA8PEuOHNxVotc3FLBc3r9InsoraPcmbYQCVMbEl/ q3MlRW5p/nMJxDlET4FBne+vnFl3itiSQVoCpXZNkau9Q5ZO+/RWpEG/dhB0vNULRFnB KUisp08/bnxRinj8NNuUIIf/0ZHidJDq4tI7FPm5Dr5lgJlwSJV4vf4S0snm9to5hiDf lZEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=wzsAU3G7bRaDf7uXM7T6DiTTRAZ8ae9SzxJQAORdzgI=; b=D6fIUCdCdeCk+NjIo9tuENRyV4lsdcrsKR+ite+76QGnJO6X8q84inWSLm1x0lv5yD GuFL0VyWcvXjDOAZnxXH3yAnN1RRKysHYhYryCtWG37GynfBm7drS9b94DQBtP/7zjkL pyvXSPYM8NSBj6YsgkfpdLyeQGzWzKZ8qY7lIoPevV8cGtP2BI2z2LgUKZKYvdg2uoyb x/Du4lWGJLhqcLCGnEeNbTVYHKSmU6rNHDENip8DxX8uoTgvNjri95LyShf3/Ud/XppW DRnyX2+xSFf69I4bynT/lpK6nPO/WiIdLVVRRhKU0+SreQgK1lpSFxajO4k7cMHjlo42 MKHw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVG8b3j3i0Agl4XJjLEXLYZY6LlxfauSwTxJWgmy3zOul+8R7BN WcZbeOv8ZPEjAYMuki0cmDk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyiBCt1+Z6bFizFjFLrPfxlwSyb03/WFeTNtmLAq0m8sRbOfMxQ7oJC/N6bw7QmACuiMF15tA== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:e188:: with SMTP id p8mr3142471qvl.8.1582884299551; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 02:04:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from minid (cbl-45-2-119-47.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. [45.2.119.47]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t13sm4689241qkm.60.2020.02.28.02.04.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 28 Feb 2020 02:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:04:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 28 Feb 2020 09:52:22 +0200") Message-ID: <877e079gdy.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> As described in @ref{Local Keymaps}, major modes and minor modes can >> -define local keymaps. These keymaps are constructed when the mode is >> -used for the first time in a session. > This loses useful information in the sentence that starts with "These > keymaps". I moved that information to the next paragraph: + Since a mode's keymaps are not constructed until it has been loaded, (I think "until it has been loaded" is more accurate than "used for the first time", since the file can be loaded without actually using the mode defined within.) 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Fri, 28 Feb 2020 12:30:17 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Squirrel-Decisive: 1466ae4f4d6c3f48_1582893017342_167690171 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1582893017342:3687943082 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1582893017342 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7378DA15CE; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 04:30:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=UxJQHTr3DGcsx0KUXN9R2qVWfEY=; b=Y5RTb6/EXV7MY TfRkofYpZb4+HPVGSjfiVKRlotWhhZrClkPLxj/+wc4Ikv3cMlRG5gHyUGzEGz2d ZAVVbw6sN4sDAzFXT0Waod7uyuv2vWIAdw1VJM+P+TProcZ78HlKjvPS5OlOaT6B QZ2larGumOuD5f3j1jORgGZr7x3SrM= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-5-43.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.5.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DE01A1263; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 04:30:14 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a42 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Phil Sainty Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> <426e4157abb6da2db5680890328f4c7a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 20:30:09 +0800 Message-ID: <87h7za3ne6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrleekgdeflecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehsthgrtghkohhvvghrfhhlohifrdgtohhmnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrhedrgeefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduudegrdeguddrhedrgeefpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeelkedtvdesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrgh X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Noam Postavsky , 39802@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "PS" == Phil Sainty writes: PS> Perhaps my answer at https://stackoverflow.com/a/13966287/324105 PS> also provides some helpful wording? (It can be appropriated for PS> the manual if it's useful.) So maybe the patch should say "in addition to (define-key ...-map ... nil) one can use (local-set-key ... ... ...)" I suppose. But maybe it is "less powerful" but I don't know. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 28 07:56:52 2020 Received: (at 39802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2020 12:56:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60756 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fCG-00034K-05 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:56:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35270) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fCE-000341-Tb for 39802@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:56:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36624) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fC9-0003cI-9P; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:56:45 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3764 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fC5-0002v6-7m; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:56:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 14:56:27 +0200 Message-Id: <83zhd2g9ac.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Noam Postavsky In-reply-to: <877e079gdy.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Noam Postavsky on Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:04:57 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> <877e079gdy.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > From: Noam Postavsky > Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:04:57 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> As described in @ref{Local Keymaps}, major modes and minor modes can > >> -define local keymaps. These keymaps are constructed when the mode is > >> -used for the first time in a session. > > > This loses useful information in the sentence that starts with "These > > keymaps". > > I moved that information to the next paragraph: > > + Since a mode's keymaps are not constructed until it has been loaded, I saw it, but that "Since" strikes me as "a bolt out of the blue", because no text before that explained or mentioned this fact. Leaving that sentence in place will then go a long way towards making the "Since" part crystal clear. IOW, in this and similar cases, repetition facilitates understanding, and should not be avoided, because we are dealing with something that won't necessarily be evident to the reader. > (I think "until it has been loaded" is more accurate than "used for the > first time", since the file can be loaded without actually using the > mode defined within.) I'm okay with rephrasing the original sentence along these lines. But I think we should not remove it entirely. (Obviously, this is a minor point.) Thanks. 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[45.2.119.47]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y18sm5193016qky.75.2020.02.28.21.00.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 28 Feb 2020 21:00:33 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#39630: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File In-Reply-To: <87o8ti6mxy.fsf@stefankangas.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 29 Feb 2020 05:23:53 +0100") References: <87lfp3fbx2.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83v9o6muei.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8ti6mxy.fsf@stefankangas.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:00:28 -0500 Message-ID: <87wo867ztf.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39630@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN?= =?utf-8?B?5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 39630 - notabug wontfix forcemerge 39802 39630 quit Stefan Kangas writes: >> I think there's a limit to what we can say in the user manual that >> describes Lisp facilities. Users who are serious about key-binding >> customizations should read the ELisp manual to augment and co0mplement >> what is in the user manual. > > I agree. Since no one besides the OP has expressed a different > opinion within two weeks, I'm closing this bug now. =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > Actually 39802 solves the need for 39630 and 39631. I don't know about 39631, but 39630 is clearly the same as 39802 (I did have a feeling of familiarity when I initially read that one), so it doesn't make sense to mark it as wontfix when we are actually fixing it. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 29 00:23:08 2020 Received: (at 39802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Feb 2020 05:23:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34139 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7uai-0007L1-Aa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:23:08 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:38580) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7uag-0007KR-UZ; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:23:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SMnppEK0SyjBsDfDqDrq2YzQ+l4Sonrll5dc3p9B5lI=; b=OvQ9OcUoJm7E6iV7jZXECWGXiH Jiq1xp/5zbL0Rxs94YFuNFGRDAtfslhCWhM7xS3jtrZXcBwFhl9QFzxzRCIxJspqy5UAwAaktol+G fqkYn/p/0aAQBMY6B0DwvKgx0RrVGuC2gBTR/xYTCHboB9TGmeobxYlQvgrp0/jv1bTdwQMeFSKJt 26SntHyJZrRY0ofjwcrIesGndDBfgwlSyrKSdwdfPazwdWZNRMPsz/ewuJBpIU6RMWjTmUEfzk+3x esDrhHGyXl35Rl50OW/B+3G6hpENuN1AqFORCnzCF75Y2576QmrIssAmf/fo1757aUe9jNcyh4t3H u1CISplw==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:33960 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1j7uaa-001qgP-Gb; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:23:00 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Noam Postavsky Subject: Re: bug#39630: Mention how to unset keys in Your Init File In-Reply-To: <87wo867ztf.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:00:28 -0500") References: <87lfp3fbx2.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83v9o6muei.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8ti6mxy.fsf@stefankangas.se> <87wo867ztf.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 06:22:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87blpi6k7h.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39630@debbugs.gnu.org, 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Noam Postavsky writes: > I don't know about 39631, but 39630 is clearly the same as 39802 (I did > have a feeling of familiarity when I initially read that one), so it > doesn't make sense to mark it as wontfix when we are actually fixing it. Thanks. I had missed the ongoing work in Bug#39802. 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[45.2.119.47]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i91sm13650576qtd.70.2020.03.03.19.13.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 19:13:23 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> <877e079gdy.fsf@gmail.com> <83zhd2g9ac.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 22:13:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83zhd2g9ac.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 28 Feb 2020 14:56:27 +0200") Message-ID: <87h7z495il.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39802 Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) tags 39802 fixed close 39802 27.1 quit Eli Zaretskii writes: > I saw it, but that "Since" strikes me as "a bolt out of the blue", > because no text before that explained or mentioned this fact. Leaving > that sentence in place will then go a long way towards making the > "Since" part crystal clear. > > IOW, in this and similar cases, repetition facilitates understanding, > and should not be avoided, because we are dealing with something that > won't necessarily be evident to the reader. Okay, I see what you mean. I put that sentence back in (with "used" changed to "loaded") and pushed to emacs-27. [1: 60418a1ab2]: 2020-03-03 22:04:48 -0500 Explain how to unset mode bindings (Bug#39802) https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=60418a1ab21b86cb2d46470ae187e74a25d33212 From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:21:17 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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