From unknown Thu Aug 14 17:30:05 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#398 <398@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#398 <398@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.60; M-x customize-option Info-hide TAB not recognized Reply-To: bug#398 <398@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 00:30:05 +0000 retitle 398 23.0.60; M-x customize-option Info-hide TAB not recognized reassign 398 emacs submitter 398 "Drew Adams" severity 398 normal thanks From drew.adams@oracle.com Thu Jun 12 09:23:23 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jun 2008 16:23:23 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5CGNHgq019529 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:23:18 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:34412) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K6pY1-0004EB-FE for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:21:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6pZv-0007aj-Jc for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:23:16 -0400 Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:49295) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6pZv-0007aV-5Q for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:23:11 -0400 Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m5CGN8fo019404 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:23:08 -0600 Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m5CFiD7D028234 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:23:07 -0600 Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3692195481213287718; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:21:58 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:21:58 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.60; M-x customize-option Info-hide TAB not recognized Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:22:01 -0700 Message-ID: <007e01c8cca8$71bbe350$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjMqHFtTlD81QFfQpCj9e+ZPa6cIw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 Need an autoload for option Info-hide-note-references. Cannot do M-x customize Info-hide TAB without first loading library info.el. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-05-29 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Thu Jun 12 12:02:59 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jun 2008 19:02:59 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5CJ2unv026120 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:02:57 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:46164 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K6s2W-0002GJ-6c for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:00:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6s4P-0000CW-Sr for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:02:53 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:33096 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6s4P-0000CC-KL for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:02:49 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0FAAEQUUhMCpzv/2dsb2JhbACBW600 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,632,1204520400"; d="scan'208";a="22460448" Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2008 15:02:47 -0400 Received: from pastel.home ([76.10.156.239]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id SZO15647; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:02:47 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CB77985E3; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Cc: 398@debbugs.gnu.org, Subject: Re: bug#398: 23.0.60; M-x customize-option Info-hide TAB not recognized Message-ID: References: <007e01c8cca8$71bbe350$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:02:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <007e01c8cca8$71bbe350$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:22:01 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 tag 398 +wontfix > Need an autoload for option Info-hide-note-references. Cannot do M-x > customize Info-hide TAB without first loading library info.el. By this argument, all defcustoms should be autoloaded. This won't happen. Stefan From drew.adams@oracle.com Thu Jun 12 13:01:26 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jun 2008 20:01:26 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5CK1McD008482 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:01:24 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:49553 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K6sx4-0004Xr-PH for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:59:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6sz0-0000Sc-G9 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:01:22 -0400 Received: from agminet01.oracle.com ([141.146.126.228]:47339) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6syz-0000SY-VW for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:01:18 -0400 Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.111]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m5CK14sl012932; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:01:04 -0500 Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m5CK12l4016687; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:01:02 -0600 Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3693108331213300848; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:00:48 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:00:47 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: <398@debbugs.gnu.org>, References: <007e01c8cca8$71bbe350$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#398: 23.0.60; M-x customize-option Info-hide TAB not recognized Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:00:51 -0700 Message-ID: <009401c8ccc7$041f2f90$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjMvy8JG/6fjgrcQEm71KCADTUdWQAB7mxQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 > > Need an autoload for option Info-hide-note-references. > > Cannot do M-x customize Info-hide TAB without first > > loading library info.el. > > By this argument, all defcustoms should be autoloaded. > This won't happen. OK. Hm. I naively thought they were. Just out of curiosity, why not? From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Thu Jun 12 14:00:46 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jun 2008 21:00:47 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5CL0hoQ023211 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:00:44 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:53179) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K6tsV-0007AC-7V for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:58:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6tuR-0000vr-Qt for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:00:42 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:45637 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6tuR-0000vm-Jj for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:00:39 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0FADErUUhMCpzv/2dsb2JhbACBW61W X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,633,1204520400"; d="scan'208";a="22464674" Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2008 17:00:38 -0400 Received: from pastel.home ([76.10.156.239]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id SBM23438; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:00:38 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C3B4A85E3; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:00:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: "Drew Adams" Cc: <398@debbugs.gnu.org>, Subject: Re: bug#398: 23.0.60; M-x customize-option Info-hide TAB not recognized Message-ID: References: <007e01c8cca8$71bbe350$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <009401c8ccc7$041f2f90$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:00:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <009401c8ccc7$041f2f90$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:00:51 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. > Hm. I naively thought they were. Just out of curiosity, why not? Partly for laziness (as in "Haskell"), and partly because it can't be done for all variables (e.g. for variables whose default value is not a constant, in which case the moment at which the default value is evaluated matters). 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