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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::236 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Cf." is a common abbreviation in documentation. Currently checkdoc warns about lack of double space after "cf." or "Cf.". The attached patch adds an exception similar to the already handled "eg." and and "ie.". --=20 =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-checkdoc-Don-t-mistake-cf.-for-sentence-end.patch >From bb705cf2425537b91dd39d24689bb2dbb378f73d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n=20N=C4=9Bmec?= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 19:42:21 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end * lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el (checkdoc-sentencespace-region-engine): Recognize "cf." as an abbreviation, not a sentence end. --- lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el index ccdddb47c3..e15836ee7d 100644 --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el @@ -2073,7 +2073,7 @@ checkdoc-sentencespace-region-engine ;; piece of an abbreviation ;; FIXME etc (looking-at - "\\([a-zA-Z]\\|[iI]\\.?e\\|[eE]\\.?g\\)\\.")) + "\\([a-zA-Z]\\|[iI]\\.?e\\|[eE]\\.?g\\|[cC]f\\)\\.")) (error t)))) (if (checkdoc-autofix-ask-replace b e -- 2.25.1 --=-=-=-- From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= , 39778@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158264579919606 (code B ref 39778); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2020 15:49:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56014 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6cT9-00056A-7Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 10:49:59 -0500 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:58812) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6cT7-00055r-FS for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 10:49:57 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 01PFhlp2013901; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:49:51 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=xOkycxF1Hx/fPYfTWsovm8CDNjJqm00B+OyQOoH4JN4=; b=R4t4fsOhCANRYJQvnklsoPjSpbZERubMJlT5lfuScPhkt8fvDI7VfurHckq7ca/vWTIS OYufrj2/6PeeQPVaUR2kPjFz9Zf8w0ehtCx9mBbBNzT79ZykRuQTaD9qT7t4D9fSKMMx X0FTPstDARAsAsUgtNYwGSPJfN2BmBXCHVSdiHjXnKa070mK/f/HovIpqlAvP5eD7ySr 2k+1xxdVAi3s7H9x5QtC95/NWfBiaxsEiN0oU6i9W2j2oy8g03BIalqRfrSoRAIeGfFk HOXulRe4sVOFLClXNvZ8jCtTrsK0J/V+sF/JPgqIMWpo/m3YkkPdJg5NS/PG/P/DQxqg pA== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yd093je5p-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:49:51 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 01PFiiON083239; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:49:51 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2ybdux1gvg-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:49:51 +0000 Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 01PFno42009225; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:49:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 07:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9541 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=546 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2002250122 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9541 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=618 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2002250122 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > "Cf." is a common abbreviation in documentation. >=20 > Currently checkdoc warns about lack of double space after "cf." or > "Cf.". The attached patch adds an exception similar to the already > handled "eg." and and "ie.". Yes. But even better is to remove uses of "Cf." (which is not so common nowadays, and is understood by fewer and fewer readers). It can typically be replaced by something as simple as "Compare" or sometimes even just "See also". From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Drew Adams , 39778@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158264653420763 (code B ref 39778); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:03:01 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2020 16:02:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6cf0-0005Op-Bs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:02:14 -0500 Received: from mail-lj1-f180.google.com ([209.85.208.180]:37748) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6cex-0005OZ-VD for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:02:12 -0500 Received: by mail-lj1-f180.google.com with SMTP id q23so14656243ljm.4 for <39778@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 08:02:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q5xeok5QPxU6qfQVaWpW4c3H78CxWRI0s2Ds/zXLifQ=; b=cD263MEn9TTEJIYN4F1G4C+wkIkTuQdUW2DvwbwSpL/wqgaqXp5wPLhYnQGwjyRBys vLX0PmecWjAh4S6pGmclr492ahx8G1FSzyHsQn58LF2MNWbX1aDF6/Kpj5/pkOtPlle+ 14mUrodecjJaPCThl2nPRgXdEy+OIC3RIjIl9HaMmUGxTKNV7tpJFKvy6fARX6UnQdJy iIh8YIwSNQBQYrjERv97K/S1x908bX5stDevdT+Vb8XsOnXKFkMm78hwTbawMALvXLiK 2PhmA+n7gcL5REoC4j/9xBolp/2NParfuVGy7QiBd4J13FFpGVAKbNT0CwMEdSxtDO0S 0IgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q5xeok5QPxU6qfQVaWpW4c3H78CxWRI0s2Ds/zXLifQ=; b=isCZKR312ta3kB1X4SNCXrM4zwWfiI66KntmgwLHBJciBrgt5QOLu8q6I/UdhlLSn3 oQBCVWYl0Omnnwb3pE8cSthFUn2/TFMENXWRgPsN5eJy17dq56jw4XBl4N8XuF5DluKh HWwLAn/k5+xh2AztVea636PU6qnZ2UkuLaY662/CJwJl2LZKxApd5NchoTW3yj9If20y YpNDIEf6jWHbpIFjy1M9Pv0iLqCE78agttyPDqtBr6sQKjucjd0TldR1TwJ5FBi8vImg 0Hdvs0/LJJbhRxPDcYqEMU39zm5jQxTSZtAVppFnb2RnpQR7VdA+6synZe05Fpd7V6DP 3T4w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUPl7Q+Ns8Ega8Y1zK9DYPFYDisR/x6cd77lMFj76AXfsFbQMem 05CaiIEWysXqKylTk4lYtQk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy0luLThHxK7w7ixOFS0soTXrQq8mx3eW63/5T4wuMd0MW4iTj/pFl53Ewj8fL73krlDwvq1A== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a37c:: with SMTP id i28mr33268379ljn.118.1582646525876; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([185.112.167.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i4sm8081666ljg.102.2020.02.25.08.02.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= In-Reply-To: <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.29.3 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:02:12 +0100 Message-ID: <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 07:49:49 -0800 Drew Adams wrote: >> "Cf." is a common abbreviation in documentation. >>=20 >> Currently checkdoc warns about lack of double space after "cf." or >> "Cf.". The attached patch adds an exception similar to the already >> handled "eg." and and "ie.". > > Yes. > > But even better is to remove uses of "Cf." (which > is not so common nowadays, and is understood by > fewer and fewer readers). It can typically be > replaced by something as simple as "Compare" or > sometimes even just "See also". Do you have any hard data for your claims? Couldn't the same be argued about "e.g." vs "for example" or "i.e." vs "that is"? Is "cf." really so much less common? Anyway, it is probably largely subjective, but unless you can bring up many examples of potential further requests (I can't think of anything else myself), just adding "cf." shouldn't hurt, should it? --=20 =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= , 39778@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158264851023859 (code B ref 39778); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2020 16:35:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6dAr-0006Cl-Nh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:35:09 -0500 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:57358) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6dAq-0006CV-NL for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:35:09 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 01PGMb1H111840; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:35:02 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=dBMqw8DstQ00DZqbWp8xpClefnxCb2e+t9/tZthFJTc=; b=YjI4+2IzkoDhvUY/9R+tFrHxBrqUyzZmpkKLYxBdBqh6syS3vkpvHfnO9F7MKghec+27 IY8MyO3AVip/27UVBj8KYuZC6jIrrhPDn4w/6dnWnCfM7uBaOjP9ClX4glmT0ml+ORV0 n3U3eJgAkiKzJ0e30jGd2Kyr7UR6/8nD5rNl6po2G+vDuuKa+siH9NvFaKq62QIiDQja m/1VKUVxtD3f0Hg89PMKB9eb+I7Sjwga/5ru7hMPlkCGgLYizF5bw4aIm3xS4rkL5fke EKRgNvIkcJDuAODUxOg4B2MSRWYpFQmfUSHMNBCwgcnCRqOcFSA6+Ienl74I3evrpkWQ tA== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yd0m1tkwa-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:35:02 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 01PGEhCC092184; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:35:02 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2ybdux4c6a-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:35:01 +0000 Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 01PGZ18N012995; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:35:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 08:35:00 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9542 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=726 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2002250124 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9542 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=786 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2002250124 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Yes. > > > > But even better is to remove uses of "Cf." (which > > is not so common nowadays, and is understood by > > fewer and fewer readers). It can typically be > > replaced by something as simple as "Compare" or > > sometimes even just "See also". >=20 > Do you have any hard data for your claims? No, and I won't bother looking for it (which doesn't mean that such data doesn't exist). > Couldn't the same be argued about "e.g." vs "for > example" or "i.e." vs "that is"? Anyone could argue that if they wanted to, of course. I wouldn't argue it. In my experience, those two, and "etc.", are pretty commonly recognized and understood ("i.e." probably less so than the others, sometimes being misunderstood as the same as "e.g."). > Is "cf." really so much less common? I think it is, but I won't try to support that as a fact. > Anyway, it is probably largely subjective, but unless you can bring up > many examples of potential further requests (I can't think of anything > else myself), just adding "cf." shouldn't hurt, should it? I never said that removing the bug of 2-spaces after "cf." would hurt or is a bad idea. In fact, I said, "Yes." It's a good idea. Even better is to remove occurrences of "cf.", but yes, that fix should be done anyway, in case someone does use "cf." From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Bastien Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Drew Adams Cc: 39778@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158264891124454 (code B ref 39778); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2020 16:41:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56058 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6dHL-0006ML-GB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:41:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56287) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6dHJ-0006M8-8j for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:41:49 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51531) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j6dHD-0005e9-UN; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:41:43 -0500 Received: from [185.24.184.132] (port=40062 helo=guerry) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j6dHD-0006TA-6y; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:41:43 -0500 Received: by guerry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9181F1A60CED; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:41:40 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien Organization: GNU References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:41:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 25 Feb 2020 08:35:00 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87imjumxff.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hi Drew and =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n, Drew Adams writes: >> Is "cf." really so much less common? > > I think it is, but I won't try to support that as a fact. FWIW I think "cf." is pretty common. It also has the advantage of being understood by non-english speaker. >> Anyway, it is probably largely subjective, but unless you can bring up >> many examples of potential further requests (I can't think of anything >> else myself), just adding "cf." shouldn't hurt, should it? > > I never said that removing the bug of 2-spaces after > "cf." would hurt or is a bad idea. > > In fact, I said, "Yes." It's a good idea. I also think it is a good idea. --=20 Bastien From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Bastien Cc: 39778@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= , Drew Adams Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158266444625092 (code B ref 39778); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2020 21:00:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56190 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6hJq-0006Wa-TX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:00:46 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:56038) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6hJl-0006WG-Ni for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:00:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=T2izJ8t5BhPEfFXu6OeOhWFCDodtI1ZQ596nVT873VE=; b=lAfBzQ/nXadAgCYmWqJcbQJyMX E/b6BmHbq4A7TklfkQBy9NfVD0KH2KlQ3r7gp+3ZoMFJ5btyC78RCVPkzgP3105pWPwuv/464UqxD UIc7begi4xyChN4UBZrAIkExAEavOkdC0JROD8Gf7pYzjoZ8wgPpWaDYd8Dp40YtU2LmU9tznyIK9 0ow9x4ePtAblPGRR32oTHeiQTX0f2y1OW7hVDNStHJB5KkygZpfiyF1tWj8hZHBSHD+Vw7M2wngtT lyqS/3e8DuPwmkiRvH5mQwAlPSULXAp0hzX2n+DW3aa3HqHAOA02ey7IWEeC/cpPFLeSppKk4cZiZ nNeWQpQg==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:57956 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j6hJf-000gkr-Jq; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:00:31 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87imjumxff.fsf@gnu.org> (Bastien's message of "Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:41:40 +0100") References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> <87imjumxff.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:00:29 +0100 Message-ID: <878skqz8k2.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bastien writes: > Drew Adams writes: > >>> Is "cf." really so much less common? >> >> I think it is, but I won't try to support that as a fact. While looking into this, I found Writing for Computer Science by (2004) by Justin Zobel. "It is often tempting to use abbreviations such as 'no.', 'i.e.', 'e.g.' 'c.f.' and 'w.r.t.' These save little space on the page, but slow readers down. It is almost always desirable to expand these abbreviations, to 'number', 'that is', 'for example', 'compared with' (or more accurately 'in contrast to', since that is the sense in which 'c.f.' should be used), and 'with respect to', or synonyms of these expressions. Where such abbreviations are used, the punctuation should be as if the expanded form were used. Also consider expanding abbreviations such as 'Fig.' and 'Alg.' and don't use concoctions such as '1st' or '2nd'. Months should not be abbreviated. Make sure that all abbreviations and acronyms are explained when they are first used." (page 57) I think the above points should be carefully considered. > FWIW I think "cf." is pretty common. It also has the advantage > of being understood by non-english speaker. That's not the case when it comes to speakers of Swedish. I don't know this for a fact, but I'd assume that this abbreviation is more common in the Romance languages. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas , Bastien Cc: 39778@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158266690529479 (code B ref 39778); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2020 21:41:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56227 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6hxY-0007fN-Ta for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:41:45 -0500 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:54952) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6hxV-0007fA-Fo for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:41:42 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 01PLXdsO155779; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:41:34 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=Fu1kMF1KdpWyjtIhFTA/6XSlS1KMXRGdHhZkEIwnhyM=; b=Yl9Rkm8/DCoBsMfgv+/5DH0i9kCb9whosQynlbm6N9IV8wya9KfZQFNxFdSQ4tFFMkfd 0zRA2CROju9QDksNBEX8+aop+rOzQGq+LpGMt0fOg1eIpBVMeGbHywlmEJuX+NU6s4Fb txLW9LLWtejuEJd9Cij+jkkEV037ppbusrKxd3WPQaWQ0OHegD6Ur5gl8zje4Yodq4nv sSvmIwdJkST3x5o77ukc840v6lMg9wJQpKlWhQFY9+ZA8819txz5Ch2whyUs1nbkw2cc fdICYD+umWOEDI6+SlphNEvSvkaYz4wMSHsc5mmzvCal3j+ykd5kSB34rSrA88q13GjE 5Q== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yd093mdm0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:41:34 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 01PLW07d008289; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:41:33 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2yd17qwmdf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:41:33 +0000 Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 01PLfWCW023595; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:41:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:41:31 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> <87imjumxff.fsf@gnu.org> <878skqz8k2.fsf@stefankangas.se> In-Reply-To: <878skqz8k2.fsf@stefankangas.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9542 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=619 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2002250151 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9542 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxlogscore=664 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2002250151 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > >>> Is "cf." really so much less common? > >> I think it is, but I won't try to support that as a fact. >=20 > While looking into this, I found Writing for Computer Science by > (2004) by Justin Zobel. >=20 > "It is often tempting to use abbreviations such as 'no.', 'i.e.', > 'e.g.' 'c.f.' and 'w.r.t.' These save little space on the page, > but slow readers down. It is almost always desirable to expand > these abbreviations, to 'number', 'that is', 'for example', > 'compared with' (or more accurately 'in contrast to', since that > is the sense in which 'c.f.' should be used), and 'with respect > to', or synonyms of these expressions. Where such abbreviations > are used, the punctuation should be as if the expanded form were > used. Also consider expanding abbreviations such as 'Fig.' and > 'Alg.' and don't use concoctions such as '1st' or '2nd'. Months > should not be abbreviated. Make sure that all abbreviations and > acronyms are explained when they are first used." (page 57) >=20 > I think the above points should be carefully considered. I agree. Nothing is really gained, and something is lost, for many readers. > > FWIW I think "cf." is pretty common. It also has the advantage > > of being understood by non-english speaker. >=20 > That's not the case when it comes to speakers of Swedish. I don't > know this for a fact, but I'd assume that this abbreviation is more > common in the Romance languages. Yes, especially for non-English readers, in general. Many programmers whose main language is not English will understand "see also" or "compare". But how many will need to look up "cf."? (But again, reasons to avoid using "cf." are not reasons not to fix the 2-space bug. That should be done, regardless of whether we replace uses of "cf.") From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 02:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas Cc: bzg@gnu.org, 39778@debbugs.gnu.org, stepnem@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158268588427864 (code B ref 39778); Wed, 26 Feb 2020 02:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2020 02:58:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56292 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6mtf-0007FM-Nb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:58:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46652) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6mtd-0007Eq-Be for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:58:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34527) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j6mtX-0000Zo-Sw; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:57:55 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j6mtV-0000Ce-Hp; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:57:53 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <878skqz8k2.fsf@stefankangas.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:00:29 +0100) References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> <87imjumxff.fsf@gnu.org> <878skqz8k2.fsf@stefankangas.se> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:57:53 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > "It is often tempting to use abbreviations such as 'no.', 'i.e.', > 'e.g.' 'c.f.' and 'w.r.t.' These save little space on the page, > but slow readers down. That is good advice, but it changes the subject. The question is not whether to use those old abbreviations. It is whether Emacs should support editing of files that do use them. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: rms@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas Cc: bzg@gnu.org, 39778@debbugs.gnu.org, stepnem@gmail.com Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158272955120999 (code B ref 39778); Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2020 15:05:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6yFz-0005Sd-0Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:05:51 -0500 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:41124) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j6yFx-0005SO-5b for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:05:49 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 01QEruKU067498; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:05:43 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=b6livREqnvS+HdTIEKJvg0jkwIuMkNLEHuaj/i4ua/Q=; b=Mp6ZftN+eT4+oRYufz1X1Etk4/G2qA0e0y6XVli/Zt02iF4gY3VM0l9JIUj6eaQ3VDfg /Q5/ETP6zt7C0p893e8rLqDABMb1SZIX81/X0mm0ts6ktOltz0F8Nw1baM/LUmxM2aQS KhduvN+1AikLBJgRMOWFg8OAo7pjynrlefa1xNIc7Kj+xxlv1/bG4IuI7yLp1YsSpBeA e7lQcmm3sIgDu34NMNsa/xZ0Irj5uq5mJZGNhh78MnBfFNnskQuP9w+uZT0hTHLgk7m0 qQQobr0OjJLQoNnEz62Vz2/WFRmYvFza3aPT31nbULvte5kcsCCEycCgKjmBytvcA0lb iQ== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2ydcsrm6kp-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:05:42 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 01QEmLm3146435; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:03:42 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2ydcs2aax9-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:03:42 +0000 Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 01QF3eE8009299; Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:03:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2f8f9280-5171-45ab-b935-e90149a88954@default> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 07:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> <87imjumxff.fsf@gnu.org> <878skqz8k2.fsf@stefankangas.se> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9543 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=910 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2002260108 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9543 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxlogscore=970 phishscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2001150001 definitions=main-2002260108 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> "It is often tempting to use abbreviations such as 'no.', 'i.e.', >> 'e.g.' 'c.f.' and 'w.r.t.' These save little space on the page, >> but slow readers down. >=20 > That is good advice, but it changes the subject. > The question is not whether to use those old abbreviations. > It is whether Emacs should support editing of files that do use them. Really? Was that the question? I didn't understand that that question was being raised. Why shouldn't Emacs support editing files that use _any_ text? Was there an argument against letting one edit such files? Or did you perhaps mean something special (what?) here by "support"? The bug reported was only about Emacs treating the `.' as a sentence end. I think everyone agreed that that's a bug to be fixed ("cf." does not end a sentence, generally). Beyond the bug, the thread discussed the use of "cf." by Emacs's own doc. Yes, that was a change of subject from the bug report. But that was the only real discussion (question) here, I think. Unless I missed someone's argument in favor of two spaces after "cf.". From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Subject: bug#39778: closed (Re: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end) Message-ID: References: <83sgiug87i.fsf@gnu.org> <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 39778 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: patch Reply-To: 39778@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 13:21:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1582896062-14869-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1582896062-14869-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 39778@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 39778: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D39778 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1582896062-14869-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 39778-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2020 13:20:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60775 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fYl-0003pQ-5g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:20:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38864) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fYj-0003oi-0S for 39778-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:20:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38697) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fYd-0003xg-TU; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:19:59 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1250 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fYc-0007Xf-Ih; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:19:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 15:19:45 +0200 Message-Id: <83sgiug87i.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?B?xaB0xJtww6FuIE7Em21lYw==?= In-reply-to: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> (stepnem@gmail.com) Subject: Re: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39778-done Cc: 39778-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > From: Štěpán Němec > > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:22:16 +0100 > > "Cf." is a common abbreviation in documentation. > > Currently checkdoc warns about lack of double space after "cf." or > "Cf.". The attached patch adds an exception similar to the already > handled "eg." and and "ie.". 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The attached patch adds an exception similar to the already handled "eg." and and "ie.". --=20 =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-checkdoc-Don-t-mistake-cf.-for-sentence-end.patch >From bb705cf2425537b91dd39d24689bb2dbb378f73d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n=20N=C4=9Bmec?= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 19:42:21 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end * lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el (checkdoc-sentencespace-region-engine): Recognize "cf." as an abbreviation, not a sentence end. --- lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el index ccdddb47c3..e15836ee7d 100644 --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/checkdoc.el @@ -2073,7 +2073,7 @@ checkdoc-sentencespace-region-engine ;; piece of an abbreviation ;; FIXME etc (looking-at - "\\([a-zA-Z]\\|[iI]\\.?e\\|[eE]\\.?g\\)\\.")) + "\\([a-zA-Z]\\|[iI]\\.?e\\|[eE]\\.?g\\|[cC]f\\)\\.")) (error t)))) (if (checkdoc-autofix-ask-replace b e -- 2.25.1 --=-=-=-- ------------=_1582896062-14869-1-- From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 02:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Drew Adams Cc: bzg@gnu.org, 39778@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, stepnem@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.15838081087316 (code B ref 39778); Tue, 10 Mar 2020 02:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2020 02:41:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51696 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jBUq4-0001tw-C4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:41:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35307) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jBUq2-0001tj-Sf for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:41:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56441) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jBUpw-0002y1-Ml; Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:41:40 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jBUpv-0001Mr-KH; Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:41:39 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <2f8f9280-5171-45ab-b935-e90149a88954@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 26 Feb 2020 07:03:39 -0800 (PST)) References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> <87imjumxff.fsf@gnu.org> <878skqz8k2.fsf@stefankangas.se> <2f8f9280-5171-45ab-b935-e90149a88954@default> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:41:39 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Beyond the bug, the thread discussed the use > of "cf." by Emacs's own doc. I did not see that, but as regards that issue I am in favor of replacing those abbreviations. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:56:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39778: [PATCH] checkdoc: Don't mistake "cf." for sentence end Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 13:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39778 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Richard Stallman Cc: Bastien , 39778@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= , Drew Adams Received: via spool by 39778-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39778.158384874126552 (code B ref 39778); Tue, 10 Mar 2020 13:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 39778) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2020 13:59:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jBfPQ-0006u7-UM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:59:01 -0400 Received: from mail-yw1-f65.google.com ([209.85.161.65]:43866) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jBfPP-0006tu-EK for 39778@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:58:59 -0400 Received: by mail-yw1-f65.google.com with SMTP id p69so13647477ywh.10 for <39778@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 06:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lJwUGRzCpj4F77Kqrs5gONXk7UrySq8ckriiJxLx7+k=; b=rV037IBeDIBWupctGzauMIFFJWr9Na9aw9+KNDH6ISADnbhb6Z+eTG1REdNZIfddZh OAx4XsFT8w5q0bmsiHWf5IR3CJ5H/5upx7iHE+Nv+r1FRIsoWPMGgRghNjAtkpBoUGcY 8vGuw5S9zVnzyIMYQouiKQ2pXdQAeRpSD9VP0UN3ePqjQdzYJLmEeFN3e8lIsshK/bbE 6LFY+m4vrje/nKe/EVvKngHtCSCmA+jkYfLDIMFi+z4LbOdabIL0TXEEKXtBi2JQkMaT uCSQgswdmKwNqlg1gwU+JVqp3/LXsUN54PWPwdnaR3w7lf45PtSli3tfY8hkHrQynXRP fuDg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ19+e3AnyVOYh3/QMksN6Ap5D2NM1p9YyHaT1QK63IflDcLfJq/ tMA05rnC1iy7M6gikObP6gxw0GplKGtuiGL+STI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vsJHfCSm7Q+rXv/MPlahhTwcSOCae9aAAx9URaMawJZtTUXeL2klECYY8YFqD87MUu4D5sLDAa0c/ReiMWocL0= X-Received: by 2002:a81:4602:: with SMTP id t2mr22011815ywa.316.1583848733849; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 06:58:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <877e0aambr.fsf@gmail.com> <0aabe857-71d1-4509-9794-f53697f824c9@default> <8736ayac57.fsf@gmail.com> <7982367d-3711-4dd3-ac78-097bfe966235@default> <87imjumxff.fsf@gnu.org> <878skqz8k2.fsf@stefankangas.se> <2f8f9280-5171-45ab-b935-e90149a88954@default> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 14:58:42 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > I did not see that, but as regards that issue > I am in favor of replacing those abbreviations. I have now created Bug#40011 titled "Remove unnecessary abbreviations from documentation": https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=40011 Best regards, Stefan Kangas