From unknown Thu Aug 14 20:53:19 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#3977 <3977@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#3977 <3977@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Reply-To: bug#3977 <3977@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 03:53:19 +0000 retitle 3977 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs reassign 3977 emacs submitter 3977 Torsten Bronger severity 3977 normal thanks From bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de Thu Jul 30 06:39:28 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Jul 2009 13:39:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,MDO_DATING14, WEBMAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6UDdHgh012489 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:39:19 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:47460) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MWVqm-0004T2-A0 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:39:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MWVqh-0001eJ-BS for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:39:15 -0400 Received: from mta-2.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.7.73]:38994) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MWVqg-0001dt-Mg for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:39:11 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from ironport-out-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.5.40]) by mta-2.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008)) with ESMTP id <0KNL00KKDKJE6IE0@mta-2.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de> for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:38:02 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,295,1246831200"; d="scan'208";a="20926785" Received: from relay-1.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (HELO relay.rwth-aachen.de) ([134.130.7.74]) by ironport-in-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:38:02 +0200 Received: from wilson (xdsl-87-78-134-224.netcologne.de [87.78.134.224]) by relay.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/1) with ESMTP id n6UDc1kK025498 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:38:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Torsten Bronger To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:38:00 +0200 Message-id: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug: After starting Tramp, Emacs is slowed down significantly. It is sufficient to trigger Tramp just by tab-completion of a remote path. >From this moment on, Emacs is slow. I can't really tell whether it is slow per se or because Tramp does so many network connections in the background because I use Emacs through the network itself (ssh -X). However, this is behaviour introduced within the last six weeks or so. By the way, Tramps complains that it can't find GVFS support, if this matters. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/etc/DEBUG for instructions. 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/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/lisp/obsolete/vc-mcvs /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/lisp/resume hides /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/lisp/obsolete/resume /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/lisp/textmodes/rst hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/rst -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus From michael.albinus@gmx.de Thu Jul 30 20:52:50 2009 Received: (at 3977) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 31 Jul 2009 03:52:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with SMTP id n6V3qi0U005302 for <3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:52:46 -0700 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Jul 2009 03:52:38 -0000 Received: from p57A22070.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO arthur.local) [87.162.32.112] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 31 Jul 2009 05:52:38 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3708877 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+RqwYNneCRU2cqpNAHUrdNfQzaqT0IT7qAqpMpTo CHaKmzy+2q6Dkw From: Michael Albinus To: Torsten Bronger Cc: 3977@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs References: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:52:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> (Torsten Bronger's message of "Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:38:00 +0200") Message-ID: <873a8dy0e4.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68 Torsten Bronger writes: > After starting Tramp, Emacs is slowed down significantly. It is > sufficient to trigger Tramp just by tab-completion of a remote path. > From this moment on, Emacs is slow. Does it also happen, when you start "emacs -Q"? > I can't really tell whether it is slow per se or because Tramp does so > many network connections in the background because I use Emacs through > the network itself (ssh -X). I don't believe that this matters to Tramp. > However, this is behaviour introduced within the last six weeks or so. > > By the way, Tramps complains that it can't find GVFS support, if this > matters. That I will check. Best regars, Michael. From bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de Thu Jul 30 23:33:43 2009 Received: (at 3977) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 31 Jul 2009 06:33:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mta-2.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (mta-2.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.7.73]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6V6Xanp027860 for <3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:33:37 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Received: from ironport-out-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.5.40]) by mta-2.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008)) with ESMTP id <0KNM00ADNVJZJ8A0@mta-2.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de> for 3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:33:35 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,300,1246831200"; d="scan'208";a="20989768" Received: from relay-1.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (HELO relay.rwth-aachen.de) ([134.130.7.74]) by ironport-in-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:33:34 +0200 Received: from wilson (xdsl-87-78-91-27.netcologne.de [87.78.91.27]) by relay.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/1) with ESMTP id n6V6XYLP017451; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:33:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Torsten Bronger To: Michael Albinus Cc: 3977@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Organization: Phoenix Foundation References: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> <873a8dy0e4.fsf@gmx.de> X-PGP-Fingerprint: C5C8 D6E2 79D2 EFE9 8C0F 6D77 D5E3 CEFC 9F51 6B77 X-PGP-Affinity: will accept encrypted message for GPG X-Home-Page: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bronger X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Accept-Language: de, en Jabber-ID: torsten.bronger@jabber.rwth-aachen.de Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEWVTEMoFxP8/Pnw4Nn8 tqbbi3ju7eqxc2XlqJjz8u/LYySDAAACVElEQVR4nF2UMW/bMBCFqUEluokIUGf21i1xArTd ilZBM6pICGpMa0C2NiYuQXdrDBNlt0IGDOvf9h1JKUJv0MBPd+/ueEfW9mSPYrTZYk7GwvlK TOw8gradOjD67CLA+SmdkmVCnI2hLoUoGOOWDD6zAJoQqWA4k2QKLovkcUQUbo2svfdS6ihC HpBgOJeeTCohnpLHShQccfy+LL13iPU6gb8ACFTCbgM4S+ABkaTcl5FMwFrwAK6JEHiVwEkw Q+DqKoFB45BA+fk6gqeU7jH7T2M3Vl5wWSeArIpuaOIzgE8ABc6GJr4PoBxANna3yhizdcwK zcqKTQQHzTJ0fUv/o+3mkeUD0Bl6DXKT4bK41rwL4gCMfPKywg0ao60l0LQHC8AKm5fKMMtl xe33AJZGc5Ybacq6/u2MrIyKHq3VdNk197WTpnaVMqHyplUahXvHHe5wj9JtAs0XTfUpHvvl FB/AOyTvXRXBrbRym8AJoJY6d/KeSrdqkzTeKmp7ZaARJOynBLoTg3q1dTK03d7NU6i2R3yv f9yQhgvJRo++/wVQ5dJSUnYzHz2OAFJxW1Mo+3MCPoZJN94jKb17Af1FGPbaY6zVBDTHFdpr 7/e3tAZT0KwZtd7SzCu2eAHtEqFoo1CjnYKm0Rwu+N8pzf50E3DBQyzsE8veYHBGsEZTJDws bv+877shq+ah4FuPrYESRrfr5l30aJ8x8J6KKCztOYJFsBQFbZvUGa+w8+28Sxp4SzBYXEOJ Xo/iwyD+jd4LehyMDI8HSASXBKhA+TW9Tf4fSktOMtuPmUoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:33:33 +0200 Message-id: <87prbhuzsy.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hall=F6chen! Michael Albinus writes: > Torsten Bronger writes: > >> After starting Tramp, Emacs is slowed down significantly. It is >> sufficient to trigger Tramp just by tab-completion of a remote >> path. From this moment on, Emacs is slow. It's even sufficient to say customize-group -- tramp. > Does it also happen, when you start "emacs -Q"? See below. >> I can't really tell whether it is slow per se or because Tramp >> does so many network connections in the background because I use >> Emacs through the network itself (ssh -X). > > I don't believe that this matters to Tramp. I sniffed the network activity, and I found out more. When using Emacs locally, you don't see this effect. However, here at work, I start Emacs on my home machine through an SSH tunnel, and then Tramp slows down Emacs significantly; not Emacs per se but only the display. For example, I can scroll through a large text file and it needs the same amount of time. But with Tramp, I don't see the text scrolling, just reaching the end. The reason seems to be that Tramp causes X network traffic (approx. 20 TCP packages) every 5 seconds. Apparently, it makes Emacs talking to the local client window in a way. The 5 seconds are very constant. Note that the machine I tried to open a file on with Tramp is different from the machine which runs the X server, so I can distinguish safely between Tramp's file system traffic and Tramp's X traffic. With emacs -Q, the effect is different. I don't see time intervals anymore, but a continuous sending of 60 TCP packages per second. So the effect is even worse but different. Tsch=F6, Torsten. --=20 Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: torsten.bronger@jabber.rwth-aachen.de or http://bronger-jmp.appspot.com From Michael.Albinus@alcatel-lucent.de Mon Aug 3 08:49:33 2009 Received: (at 3977) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Aug 2009 15:49:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mailrelay2.alcatel.de (mailrelay2.alcatel.de [194.113.59.96]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n73FnTUb008136 for <3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:49:30 -0700 Received: from destgsu0048.stgl.sel.alcatel.de (destgsu0048.de.alcatel-lucent.com [149.204.242.4]) by mailrelay2.alcatel.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/ICT) with ESMTP id n73FnObm023434; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:49:24 +0200 Received: from slbhn1.alcatel.de (slbhn1.de.alcatel-lucent.com [149.204.90.35]) by destgsu0048.stgl.sel.alcatel.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id n73FnOY4025389; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:49:24 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Albinus To: Torsten Bronger Cc: "3977\@debbugs.gnu.org" <3977@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs References: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> <873a8dy0e4.fsf@gmx.de> <87prbhuzsy.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:49:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87prbhuzsy.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> (Torsten Bronger's message of "Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:33:33 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Alcanet-virus-scanned: n73FnOY4025389 at destgsu0048.stgl.sel.alcatel.de X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 149.204.45.73 Torsten Bronger writes: > Hall=C3=B6chen! Hi, > When using Emacs locally, you don't see this effect. However, here > at work, I start Emacs on my home machine through an SSH tunnel, and > then Tramp slows down Emacs significantly; not Emacs per se but only > the display. For example, I can scroll through a large text file > and it needs the same amount of time. But with Tramp, I don't see > the text scrolling, just reaching the end. Honestly, I cannot reproduce the effect. How do you start Emacs through the tunnel? I have done it via ssh -X otherhost /usr/local/src/emacs/src/emacs -Q > The reason seems to be that Tramp causes X network traffic > (approx. 20 TCP packages) every 5 seconds. Apparently, it makes > Emacs talking to the local client window in a way. The 5 seconds > are very constant. 20 packages every 5 seconds does not sound problematic. But as I said, I cannot see a difference in network activity with loaded / not loaded Tramp. Could you, please, analyze these additional packages in more detail? Which port are they speaking to, which application is behind? Is it really X? > Tsch=C3=B6, > Torsten. Best regards, Michael. From bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de Mon Aug 3 09:22:18 2009 Received: (at 3977) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Aug 2009 16:22:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mta-1.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.7.72]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n73GMCFc012563 for <3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:22:14 -0700 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Received: from ironport-out-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.5.40]) by mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008)) with ESMTP id <0KNT004GQ6SZUOB0@mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de> for 3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:22:11 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,315,1246831200"; d="scan'208";a="21351186" Received: from relay-2.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (HELO relay.rwth-aachen.de) ([134.130.7.75]) by ironport-in-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:22:11 +0200 Received: from wilson (xdsl-87-78-93-212.netcologne.de [87.78.93.212]) by relay.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/1) with ESMTP id n73GMBhG023893; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:22:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Torsten Bronger To: Michael Albinus Cc: "3977@debbugs.gnu.org" <3977@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Organization: Phoenix Foundation References: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> <873a8dy0e4.fsf@gmx.de> <87prbhuzsy.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-PGP-Fingerprint: C5C8 D6E2 79D2 EFE9 8C0F 6D77 D5E3 CEFC 9F51 6B77 X-PGP-Affinity: will accept encrypted message for GPG X-Home-Page: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bronger X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Accept-Language: de, en Jabber-ID: torsten.bronger@jabber.rwth-aachen.de Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEWVTEMoFxP8/Pnw4Nn8 tqbbi3ju7eqxc2XlqJjz8u/LYySDAAACVElEQVR4nF2UMW/bMBCFqUEluokIUGf21i1xArTd ilZBM6pICGpMa0C2NiYuQXdrDBNlt0IGDOvf9h1JKUJv0MBPd+/ueEfW9mSPYrTZYk7GwvlK TOw8gradOjD67CLA+SmdkmVCnI2hLoUoGOOWDD6zAJoQqWA4k2QKLovkcUQUbo2svfdS6ihC HpBgOJeeTCohnpLHShQccfy+LL13iPU6gb8ACFTCbgM4S+ABkaTcl5FMwFrwAK6JEHiVwEkw Q+DqKoFB45BA+fk6gqeU7jH7T2M3Vl5wWSeArIpuaOIzgE8ABc6GJr4PoBxANna3yhizdcwK zcqKTQQHzTJ0fUv/o+3mkeUD0Bl6DXKT4bK41rwL4gCMfPKywg0ao60l0LQHC8AKm5fKMMtl xe33AJZGc5Ybacq6/u2MrIyKHq3VdNk197WTpnaVMqHyplUahXvHHe5wj9JtAs0XTfUpHvvl FB/AOyTvXRXBrbRym8AJoJY6d/KeSrdqkzTeKmp7ZaARJOynBLoTg3q1dTK03d7NU6i2R3yv f9yQhgvJRo++/wVQ5dJSUnYzHz2OAFJxW1Mo+3MCPoZJN94jKb17Af1FGPbaY6zVBDTHFdpr 7/e3tAZT0KwZtd7SzCu2eAHtEqFoo1CjnYKm0Rwu+N8pzf50E3DBQyzsE8veYHBGsEZTJDws bv+877shq+ah4FuPrYESRrfr5l30aJ8x8J6KKCztOYJFsBQFbZvUGa+w8+28Sxp4SzBYXEOJ Xo/iwyD+jd4LehyMDI8HSASXBKhA+TW9Tf4fSktOMtuPmUoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:22:09 +0200 In-reply-to: Message-id: <87iqh4amvi.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hall=F6chen! Michael Albinus writes: > Torsten Bronger writes: > > [...] > >> When using Emacs locally, you don't see this effect. However, >> here at work, I start Emacs on my home machine through an SSH >> tunnel, and then Tramp slows down Emacs significantly; not Emacs >> per se but only the display. For example, I can scroll through a >> large text file and it needs the same amount of time. But with >> Tramp, I don't see the text scrolling, just reaching the end. > > Honestly, I cannot reproduce the effect. How do you start Emacs > through the tunnel? I have done it via > > ssh -X otherhost /usr/local/src/emacs/src/emacs -Q This is equivalent to my test. And then, I say "M-x customize-group RET RET" and have 4 TCP packets per second (maybe cursor blinking). If I start the above command again and say "M-x customize-group RET tramp RET", I have 60 packets per second. > [...] > > [...] But as I said, I cannot see a difference in network activity > with loaded / not loaded Tramp. Could you, please, analyze these > additional packages in more detail? Then somebody must tell me how. ;-) I'm really not an expert in packet sniffing. Those packages are encrypted, so Wireshark shows me only garbage. > Which port are they speaking to, which application is behind? Is > it really X? I think -X means that only the X port is forwarded. Besides, the local machine has nothing else listening. There is no shared directory, and no SSH server. Tsch=F6, Torsten. --=20 Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: torsten.bronger@jabber.rwth-aachen.de or http://bronger-jmp.appspot.com From michael.albinus@gmx.de Mon Aug 3 20:42:10 2009 Received: (at 3977) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Aug 2009 03:42:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with SMTP id n743g5ur011814 for <3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:42:07 -0700 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Aug 2009 03:41:59 -0000 Received: from p57A21C72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO arthur.local) [87.162.28.114] by mail.gmx.net (mp053) with SMTP; 04 Aug 2009 05:41:59 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3708877 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/aQlBG0lbaqoOCrUiBzGW4DHGzURfb0NRm6yeWvz qzl8tstrZqis3h From: Michael Albinus To: Torsten Bronger Cc: "3977\@debbugs.gnu.org" <3977@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs References: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> <873a8dy0e4.fsf@gmx.de> <87prbhuzsy.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> <87iqh4amvi.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:41:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87iqh4amvi.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> (Torsten Bronger's message of "Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:22:09 +0200") Message-ID: <873a88ckje.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Torsten Bronger writes: > Hall=C3=B6chen! Hi, >> Honestly, I cannot reproduce the effect. How do you start Emacs >> through the tunnel? I have done it via >> >> ssh -X otherhost /usr/local/src/emacs/src/emacs -Q > > This is equivalent to my test. > > And then, I say "M-x customize-group RET RET" and have 4 TCP packets > per second (maybe cursor blinking). If I start the above command > again and say "M-x customize-group RET tramp RET", I have 60 packets > per second. I'm still checking what happens. In the meantime, I've fixed the problem in loading tramp-gvfs. Maybe this is related to your problem, because dbus.el could try to send messages, which fails. Could you, please, check, whether it changes your situation? I'll continue to investigate, whether I can find something else. > Tsch=C3=B6, > Torsten. Best regards, Michael. From bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de Mon Aug 3 23:10:11 2009 Received: (at 3977) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Aug 2009 06:10:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Michael Albinus writes: > Torsten Bronger writes: > > [...] > >> [...] >> >> And then, I say "M-x customize-group RET RET" and have 4 TCP >> packets per second (maybe cursor blinking). If I start the above >> command again and say "M-x customize-group RET tramp RET", I have >> 60 packets per second. > > I'm still checking what happens. In the meantime, I've fixed the > problem in loading tramp-gvfs. Maybe this is related to your > problem, because dbus.el could try to send messages, which > fails. Could you, please, check, whether it changes your > situation? The problem is now fixed for me, thanks. Tsch=F6, Torsten. --=20 Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: torsten.bronger@jabber.rwth-aachen.de or http://bronger-jmp.appspot.com From Michael.Albinus@alcatel-lucent.de Tue Aug 4 00:53:19 2009 Received: (at 3977-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Aug 2009 07:53:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mailrelay1.alcatel.de (mailrelay1.alcatel.de [194.113.59.95]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n747rFga001473 for <3977-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:53:16 -0700 Received: from destgsu0048.stgl.sel.alcatel.de (destgsu0048.de.alcatel-lucent.com [149.204.242.4]) by mailrelay1.alcatel.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/ICT) with ESMTP id n747rAg1032017; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:53:10 +0200 Received: from slbhn1.alcatel.de (slbhn1.de.alcatel-lucent.com [149.204.90.35]) by destgsu0048.stgl.sel.alcatel.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id n747rAY4001575; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:53:10 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Albinus To: Torsten Bronger Cc: "3977-done\@debbugs.gnu.org" <3977-done@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs References: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> <873a8dy0e4.fsf@gmx.de> <87prbhuzsy.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> <87iqh4amvi.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> <873a88ckje.fsf@gmx.de> <871vnshzyd.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:53:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871vnshzyd.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> (Torsten Bronger's message of "Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:10:02 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Alcanet-virus-scanned: n747rAY4001575 at destgsu0048.stgl.sel.alcatel.de X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 149.204.45.72 Torsten Bronger writes: > Hall=C3=B6chen! Hi, >> I'm still checking what happens. In the meantime, I've fixed the >> problem in loading tramp-gvfs. Maybe this is related to your >> problem, because dbus.el could try to send messages, which >> fails. Could you, please, check, whether it changes your >> situation? > > The problem is now fixed for me, thanks. Good to know, I close the bug report then. > Tsch=C3=B6, > Torsten. Thanks, and best regards, Michael. From unknown Thu Aug 14 20:53:19 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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