From unknown Sat Aug 16 10:50:08 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#397 <397@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#397 <397@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) Reply-To: bug#397 <397@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 17:50:08 +0000 retitle 397 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) reassign 397 emacs submitter 397 "Drew Adams" severity 397 wishlist tag 397 wontfix thanks From drew.adams@oracle.com Thu Jun 12 08:54:48 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jun 2008 15:54:48 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5CFsjsD011788 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:54:46 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:60066 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K6p6P-00031c-8m for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:52:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6p8I-0002IR-Ql for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:54:44 -0400 Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:34732) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6p8I-0002Hx-Dx for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:54:38 -0400 Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m5CFsVUO006164 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:54:35 -0600 Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m5CF9c9a010271 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:54:30 -0600 Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3692191531213285985; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:53:05 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:53:04 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjMpGgnZU3S3Ph7TxGlwzd7jY/V8g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 `T' in Info when you are at the directory level (dir), should either raise an error or DTRT. To DTRT, it could do either of these: - return to the directory listing (which is useless), which is the top-level TOC - show the contents of all manuals (pretty costly), which is the detailed TOC Currently, what `T' does is worse than useless. It shows this, where (dir) and the second Top are links to the same place - the directory you just came from: Up: (dir) File: toc, Node: Top Table of Contents ***************** Top. This is not only useless; it is wrong. Top cannot be the same thing as (dir), but both links lead to the same place. And the Top listed as the current node is different from the destination of the Top link. Please, at a minimum, (1) raise an error if `T' is used in the directory (dir), and (2) disable (dim) the corresponding item in the Info menu when in (dir). In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-05-29 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' From cyd@stupidchicken.com Mon Jul 28 07:28:38 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC,VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=no version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Jul 2008 14:28:38 +0000 Received: from furry (c-24-63-201-57.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.201.57]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6SESVrO015524 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:28:32 -0700 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7571FC05C; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:28:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Tag wishlist items Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:28:26 -0400 Message-ID: <87y73m9j79.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii tags 285 moreinfo severity 374 wishlist severity 397 wishlist severity 400 wishlist severity 456 wishlist close 478 close 502 severity 575 wishlist close 611 close 619 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 12:11:49 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 16:11:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50255 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avS45-0006CE-B2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:11:49 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:45721) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avS43-0006C6-MX for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:11:48 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avS41-0007uP-CS; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:11:47 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:11:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:53:07 -0700") Message-ID: <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > `T' in Info when you are at the directory level (dir), should either > raise an error or DTRT. > > To DTRT, it could do either of these: > > - return to the directory listing (which is useless), > which is the top-level TOC > - show the contents of all manuals (pretty costly), > which is the detailed TOC > > Currently, what `T' does is worse than useless. It shows this, where > (dir) and the second Top are links to the same place - the directory > you just came from: > > Up: (dir) > File: toc, Node: Top > > Table of Contents > ***************** > > Top. This seems like it's fixed now. If I `T' in the top level node, it just says "user-error: No such node or anchor: *TOC*". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 12:11:56 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 16:11:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50258 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avS4C-0006Cb-I6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:11:56 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:45730) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avS4A-0006CP-5E for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:11:54 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avS48-0007ua-4t for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:11:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:11:52 +0200 Message-Id: <87d1pbhvzr.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #397 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 397 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 12:42:48 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 16:42:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50315 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avSY3-0000AR-Tg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:42:48 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:21425) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avSY1-0000AE-Nt for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:42:46 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3RGgd1B027814 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:42:39 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3RGgdnC019111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:42:39 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3RGgaMk016934; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:42:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen [mailto:larsi@gnus.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:12 AM > To: Drew Adams > Cc: 397@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) >=20 > "Drew Adams" writes: >=20 > > `T' in Info when you are at the directory level (dir), should either > > raise an error or DTRT. > > > > To DTRT, it could do either of these: > > > > - return to the directory listing (which is useless), > > which is the top-level TOC > > - show the contents of all manuals (pretty costly), > > which is the detailed TOC > > > > Currently, what `T' does is worse than useless. It shows this, where > > (dir) and the second Top are links to the same place - the directory > > you just came from: > > > > Up: (dir) > > File: toc, Node: Top > > > > Table of Contents > > ***************** > > > > Top. >=20 > This seems like it's fixed now. If I `T' in the top level node, it just > says "user-error: No such node or anchor: *TOC*". Thanks, but that is not the whole fix. You missed this part: and (2) disable (dim) the corresponding item in the Info menu when in (dir). The Info menu correctly has things like Up disabled (dimmed). But menu item Table of Contents (T) is not disabled. Please fix this part of the bug also. From unknown Sat Aug 16 10:50:08 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:46:02 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 12:47:08 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 16:47:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50338 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avScG-0000Jv-Ej for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:47:08 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:46187) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avScF-0000Jo-5w for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:47:07 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avScC-0008JJ-Ln; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:47:06 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:47:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:42:35 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Thanks, but that is not the whole fix. You missed this part: > > and (2) disable (dim) the corresponding item in the > Info menu when in (dir). > > The Info menu correctly has things like Up disabled (dimmed). > But menu item Table of Contents (T) is not disabled. > Please fix this part of the bug also. Hm... I don't quite follow. Do you have a complete recipe, starting from -Q? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 13:12:36 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 17:12:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50363 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avT0t-0002aA-Uf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:12:36 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:24919) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avT0s-0002Zv-5R for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:12:34 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3RHCRYW014303 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:12:28 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3RHCRij014288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:12:27 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3RHCQ84004775; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:12:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Thanks, but that is not the whole fix. You missed this part: > > > > and (2) disable (dim) the corresponding item in the > > Info menu when in (dir). > > > > The Info menu correctly has things like Up disabled (dimmed). > > But menu item Table of Contents (T) is not disabled. > > Please fix this part of the bug also. >=20 > Hm... I don't quite follow. Do you have a complete recipe, starting > from -Q? emacs -Q C-h i Look at the Info menu, in the menu bar. See the menu item `Table of Contents T'? It should be disabled when at the (dir), i.e., the top, level. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 13:35:10 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 17:35:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50410 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTMk-0006SN-0Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:35:10 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:46877) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTMi-0006SG-KI for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:35:08 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTMf-0000VD-Vy; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:35:07 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:35:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> > Thanks, but that is not the whole fix. You missed this part: >> > >> > and (2) disable (dim) the corresponding item in the >> > Info menu when in (dir). >> > >> > The Info menu correctly has things like Up disabled (dimmed). >> > But menu item Table of Contents (T) is not disabled. >> > Please fix this part of the bug also. >> >> Hm... I don't quite follow. Do you have a complete recipe, starting >> from -Q? > > emacs -Q > C-h i > > Look at the Info menu, in the menu bar. See the menu item > `Table of Contents T'? It should be disabled > when at the (dir), i.e., the top, level. Oh, I see. I didn't think you meant the Emacs menu menu, but a menu in the Info buffer. :-) Let's see... Yes, that menu item should be dimmed. Basically, Info calls (Info-find-node "dir" "*TOC*") which then fails. Looking at that code, it's quite long and convoluted, and calling that just to gray out the menu item is probably not a good idea. Does anybody know of a quick shortcut to determine whether the TOC isn't available? I'm quite unfamiliar with the Info code. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 13:46:48 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 17:46:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50437 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTY0-0006vO-B2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:46:48 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:28623) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTXz-0006vC-3J for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:46:47 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3RHke3v022068 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:46:41 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3RHkeVE013052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:46:40 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u3RHke3c007710; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:46:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5a64ed8a-d9c7-4b33-b63a-11d83b7dab99@default> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Basically, Info calls > (Info-find-node "dir" "*TOC*") > which then fails. Looking at that code, it's quite long and convoluted, > and calling that just to gray out the menu item is probably not a good > idea. Does anybody know of a quick shortcut to determine whether the > TOC isn't available? I'm quite unfamiliar with the Info code. `Info-toc' should raise an error immediately, if the current node is the top. Something like this, perhaps: (defun Info-toc () "@@@@@@@@@" (interactive) (when (equal Info-current-file "dir") (error "@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@")) (Info-find-node Info-current-file "*TOC*") (let ((prev-node (nth 1 (car Info-history))) p) (goto-char (point-min)) (if (setq p (search-forward (concat "*Note " prev-node ":") nil t)) =09(setq p (- p (length prev-node) 2))) (goto-char (or p (point-min))))) But you might need to worry about different versions of "dir", such as is done in function `Info-insert-dir'. Dunno. I took only a quick look. Maybe you also need to check for the node name being "top", as in `Info-directory' - dunno. But probably not. `Info-index' does only this: (equal Info-current-file "dir") From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 13:58:46 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 17:58:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50465 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTja-0007Dm-Fw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:58:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54435) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTjZ-0007Da-Gu for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:58:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avTjR-000714-AL for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:58:40 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54662) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avTjR-000710-7h; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:58:37 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3185 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1avTjQ-0007M4-ET; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:58:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:58:21 +0300 Message-Id: <83vb33x7b6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <5a64ed8a-d9c7-4b33-b63a-11d83b7dab99@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:46:38 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org> <5a64ed8a-d9c7-4b33-b63a-11d83b7dab99@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:46:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 397@debbugs.gnu.org > > `Info-toc' should raise an error immediately, if the current node > is the top. Something like this, perhaps: > > (defun Info-toc () > "@@@@@@@@@" > (interactive) > (when (equal Info-current-file "dir") (error "@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@")) So, from now on, no Info manual can be called "dir" or "dir.info", or suchlikes? Does dimming an option in a rarely-used menu really justify this? I don't think so. We should look for a better solution, if one exists. If it doesn't, then it isn't a catastrophe to have that option be available and fail if invoked where it cannot work. No one who knows something about Info will invoke that function in this situation, anyway. > But probably not. `Info-index' does only this: > (equal Info-current-file "dir") Bad, bad Info-index! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 14:10:06 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 18:10:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTuY-0000ie-DA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:10:06 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:45000) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avTuW-0000i5-1s for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:10:04 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3RI9vlS023769 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:09:58 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3RI9vZ3030795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:09:57 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3RI9uNl032253; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:09:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <<007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org>> <<5a64ed8a-d9c7-4b33-b63a-11d83b7dab99@default>> <<83vb33x7b6.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83vb33x7b6.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > `Info-toc' should raise an error immediately, if the current node > > is the top. Something like this, perhaps: > > > > (defun Info-toc () > > "@@@@@@@@@" > > (interactive) > > (when (equal Info-current-file "dir") (error "@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@")) >=20 > So, from now on, no Info manual can be called "dir" or "dir.info", or > suchlikes? Does dimming an option in a rarely-used menu really > justify this? I don't think so. It was a quick-and-dirty implementation suggestion. I don't argue for that implementation. If we put the "real" code for this into an :enable menu guard then that guard would be (Info-find-node "dir" "*TOC*"). And in the case of your hypothetical manual named "dir", there could be such a *TOC* node, and in that case the menu item would be correctly enabled. > We should look for a better solution, if one exists. If it doesn't, > then it isn't a catastrophe to have that option be available and fail > if invoked where it cannot work. No one who knows something about > Info will invoke that function in this situation, anyway. Fair enough. Someone might actually try it: use the :enable guard (Info-find-node "dir" "*TOC*") and see whether it is in fact onerous. If it is then I agree with (both of) you: we can do without disabling the menu item. > > But probably not. `Info-index' does only this: > > (equal Info-current-file "dir") >=20 > Bad, bad Info-index! ;-) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 14:22:11 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 18:22:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50497 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avU6F-00010N-Oi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:22:11 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:42216) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avU6E-00010D-3t for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:22:10 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qw7bN5vy9z3hjnN; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:22:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qw7bN4ScgzvjDK; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:22:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TzvmYhRMh33a; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:22:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: +dnXLWS0FIx2VbBQaWyVWkdSwasvE1TS3mVyZzOfK8c3HN8OXGumgOYomERMJsb1 Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-27-204.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.27.204]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 18C572C3A64; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:22:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org> <5a64ed8a-d9c7-4b33-b63a-11d83b7dab99@default> <83vb33x7b6.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: BELA LUGOSI is my co-pilot.. Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:22:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83vb33x7b6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:58:21 +0300") Message-ID: <87h9emoqsw.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 397@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > So, from now on, no Info manual can be called "dir" or "dir.info", or > suchlikes? dir has always been special. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 14:28:19 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 18:28:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50505 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avUCB-00019g-Ko for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:28:19 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:47509) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avUCA-00019Z-KP for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:28:18 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avUC7-00019y-T9; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:28:17 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org>> <5a64ed8a-d9c7-4b33-b63a-11d83b7dab99@default>> <83vb33x7b6.fsf@gnu.org>> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:28:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <874mamgb40.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Fair enough. Someone might actually try it: use the :enable > guard (Info-find-node "dir" "*TOC*") and see whether it is > in fact onerous. If it is then I agree with (both of) you: > we can do without disabling the menu item. Well, using it as is doesn't really work, because it does a lot of... stuff. Here's how it starts: (defun Info-find-node-2 (filename nodename &optional no-going-back strict-case) (buffer-disable-undo (current-buffer)) (or (derived-mode-p 'Info-mode) (Info-mode)) (widen) (setq Info-current-node nil) (unwind-protect (let ((case-fold-search t) (virtual-fun (Info-virtual-fun 'find-node (or filename Info-current-file) nodename)) anchorpos) (cond ((functionp virtual-fun) (let ((filename (or filename Info-current-file))) (setq buffer-read-only nil) (setq Info-current-file filename Info-current-subfile nil Info-current-file-completions nil buffer-file-name nil) (erase-buffer) So that's not the right thing to use. (Info-virtual-fun 'find-node "dir" "*TOC*") => Info-directory-find-node (defun Info-directory-find-node (_filename _nodename &optional _no-going-back) "Directory-specific implementation of `Info-find-node-2'." (Info-insert-dir)) ... (defun Info-insert-dir () (if (and Info-dir-contents Info-dir-file-attributes ;; Verify that none of the files we used has changed ;; since we used it. (eval (cons 'and (mapcar (lambda (elt) (let ((curr (file-attributes ;; Handle symlinks (file-truename (car elt))))) And down the rabbit hole we go. Why are we calling that function and ignoring the parameters? It's all very confusing. So does somebody know what the real way to find out whether a node exists is? :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 15:28:30 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 19:28:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50624 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avV8M-0007bZ-Bl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:28:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51254) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avV8J-0007bK-Sx for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:28:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avV8B-00089H-DG for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:28:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avV8B-00089D-9l; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:28:15 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3225 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1avV8A-0006J2-Gd; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:28:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:27:59 +0300 Message-Id: <83potayhq8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: <87h9emoqsw.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (message from Andreas Schwab on Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:22:07 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org> <5a64ed8a-d9c7-4b33-b63a-11d83b7dab99@default> <83vb33x7b6.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9emoqsw.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 397@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: Drew Adams , larsi@gnus.org, 397@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:22:07 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > So, from now on, no Info manual can be called "dir" or "dir.info", or > > suchlikes? > > dir has always been special. It's name is special, but its structure could be anything, and could support a TOC. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 16:10:47 2016 Received: (at 397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 20:10:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58524 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awbDz-0003oE-9O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:10:47 -0400 Received: from sub3.mail.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.7]:56938 helo=homiemail-a100.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awbDx-0003o6-7e for 397@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:10:45 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F51831A070; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.linkov.net (m83-191-208-165.cust.tele2.ee [83.191.208.165]) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by homiemail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3BE7E31A061; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#397: 23.0.60; T in Info when in (dir) Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <007c01c8cca4$686e6fb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <87eg9rhvzy.fsf@gnus.org> <285bd041-cb56-4d42-a085-88605bd08f44@default> <87twingfso.fsf@gnus.org> <72369d48-65c7-4468-9d49-21dcb045cdf2@default> <8760v3gdkm.fsf@gnus.org> <5a64ed8a-d9c7-4b33-b63a-11d83b7dab99@default> <83vb33x7b6.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9emoqsw.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <83potayhq8.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:08:04 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83potayhq8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:27:59 +0300") Message-ID: <87a8kc8d6m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, Andreas Schwab , 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >> > So, from now on, no Info manual can be called "dir" or "dir.info", or >> > suchlikes? >> >> dir has always been special. > > It's name is special, but its structure could be anything, and could > support a TOC. I remember an idea to display a table of contents of (usually very long) dir itself with a list of its section names. 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Content preview: I think the conclusion here was that it would be prohibitively expensive to grey out the menu bar item here, so I'm closing this as a wontfix. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 397 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 397@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) I think the conclusion here was that it would be prohibitively expensive to grey out the menu bar item here, so I'm closing this as a wontfix. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 21 18:06:47 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2022 22:06:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38663 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nWQAp-0005sY-K6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:06:47 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:55604) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nWQAo-0005sN-Eu for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:06:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Y/3jVJmRFF3c1AyM94iY9SrJ8NTJVAdbXXJB+j8KvEk=; b=le3mVwFhDbviVbR+cleNnS1+Na c7OwEclFD5W0GaAEEjk+1/MVqLlMSm578MyV0qKg/DfeE70uULyUc+5h4XnFUZwJZcZ3RdKeGTQnJ z3WwjdNV3aK9PgWRz57GeSRM8FibSciBAVRmk/9cOBhhVG1CCt/0i0JCCYpYrL6bAW8c=; Received: from 109.179.236.69.tmi.telenormobil.no ([109.179.236.69] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nWQAg-0004a8-IR for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 23:06:40 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 23:06:31 +0100 Message-Id: <8735jbneoo.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #397 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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