From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 18 12:57:36 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2020 17:57:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41252 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j477n-0008ED-Uj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:57:36 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:40328) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j477l-0008E2-RM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:57:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57764) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j477k-0002r5-IT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:57:33 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPOOFED_FREEMAIL autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j477j-0002Q0-K1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:57:32 -0500 Received: from fmfe22.onbox.hu ([46.107.16.227]:38742 helo=web-out.onbox.hu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j477j-0002OB-CS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:57:31 -0500 X-fm-smtp-source: yes Received: from localhost (localhost [178.164.166.72]) by web-out.onbox.hu (Postfix) with SMTP id 48MT8S5gHgzbGb for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:57:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:54:28 +0000 (GMT) From: ndame Message-ID: Subject: 26.2; timer-list and timer-idle-list are undocumented in the Elisp manual MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1350_1561862040.1582048468517" To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" X-AccountId: 57978162 X-Originating-Ip: 178.164.166.72 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrjeekgddutdekucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpucfhtffggffotefknfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffkufggtgfvihesrgdtregstddtudenucfhrhhomhepnhgurghmvgcuoegvmhgrtghsuhhsvghrsehfrhgvvghmrghilhdrhhhuqeenucfkphepudejkedrudeigedrudeiiedrjedvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheppdhinhgvthepudejkedrudeigedrudeiiedrjedvpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepvghmrggtshhushgvrhesfhhrvggvmhgrihhlrdhhuhdprhgtphhtthhopegsuhhgqdhgnhhuqdgvmhgrtghssehgnhhurdhorhhg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 46.107.16.227 X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I checked under Timers for Delayed Execution, but there was no  info there how to get the list of active timers. It mentions the list-timers command, but not the above variables, so I had to check the source code of list-timers to find out about these variables. I checked under Timers for Delayed Execution, bu [...] Content analysis details: (2.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (emacsuser[at]freemail.hu) -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.51.188.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 2.0 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL No description available. X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) ------=_Part_1350_1561862040.1582048468517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I checked under=C2=A0Timers for Delayed Execution, but there was no=C2=A0 info there how to get the list of active timers. It mentions the=C2=A0list-timers command, but not the above variables, so I had to check the source code of=C2=A0list-timers to find out about these variables. ------=_Part_1350_1561862040.1582048468517 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I checked under Timers for Delayed Execution, but there was no 
info there how to get the list of active timers.

It mentions the list-timers command, but not the above variables,
so I had to check the source code of list-timers to find out about
these variables. ------=_Part_1350_1561862040.1582048468517-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 18 13:35:41 2020 Received: (at 39668) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2020 18:35:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41276 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j47if-0000iD-BU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:35:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j47id-0000hz-9j for 39668@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:35:39 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51871) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j47iX-0000hi-JC; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:35:33 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3972 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j47iM-0002Sa-Sj; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:35:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:35:15 +0200 Message-Id: <83sgj7lp5o.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: ndame In-reply-to: (message from ndame on Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:54:28 +0000 (GMT)) Subject: Re: bug#39668: 26.2; timer-list and timer-idle-list are undocumented in the Elisp manual References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39668 Cc: 39668@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:54:28 +0000 (GMT) > From: ndame > > I checked under Timers for Delayed Execution, but there was no > info there how to get the list of active timers. > > It mentions the list-timers command, but not the above variables, > so I had to check the source code of list-timers to find out about > these variables. And what is wrong with that, may I ask? These variables are internal implementation details of how timers work in Emacs. The ELisp manual documents the facilities available for Lisp programs, it doesn't document how each facility is implemented -- for that, you indeed need to read the sources. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 18 13:52:28 2020 Received: (at 39668) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2020 18:52:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41280 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j47yt-00017W-SV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:52:28 -0500 Received: from fmfe22.onbox.hu ([46.107.16.227]:46399 helo=web-out.onbox.hu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j47ys-00017H-MC for 39668@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:52:27 -0500 X-fm-smtp-source: yes Received: from localhost (localhost [178.164.166.72]) by web-out.onbox.hu (Postfix) with SMTP id 48MVMm2l57zbx6; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:52:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:45:56 +0000 (GMT) From: ndame To: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83sgj7lp5o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sgj7lp5o.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#39668: 26.2; timer-list and timer-idle-list are undocumented in the Elisp manual MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1696_1412700598.1582051556033" X-AccountId: 57978162 X-Originating-Ip: 178.164.166.72 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrjeekgdduudelucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpucfhtffggffotefknfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepfffhvffkjghfufggtghisegrtdersgdttddunecuhfhrohhmpehnuggrmhgvuceovghmrggtshhushgvrhesfhhrvggvmhgrihhlrdhhuheqnecukfhppedujeekrdduieegrdduieeirdejvdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopedpihhnvghtpedujeekrdduieegrdduieeirdejvddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegvmhgrtghsuhhsvghrsehfrhgvvghmrghilhdrhhhupdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39668 Cc: "39668@debbugs.gnu.org" <39668@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_Part_1696_1412700598.1582051556033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > These variables are internal implementation details of how timers work > in Emacs. The ELisp manual documents the facilities available for > Lisp programs, I needed to access the list of the active timers from an elisp program.=C2= =A0 Since timers are available from elisp, the list of timers should be=C2=A0 available too, like the list of buffers, etc. I was suprised that I did not find this in the manual. Since timers are part of the public elisp api, I expect timer lists also to be part of the public api. ------=_Part_1696_1412700598.1582051556033 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > These variables are internal implementation details of how timers work
> in Emacs. The ELisp manual documents the facilities available for
> Lisp programs,

I needed to access the list of the active timers from an elisp program. 
Since timers are available from elisp, the list of timers should be 
available too, like the list of buffers, etc.

I was suprised that I did not find this in the manual. Since timers are
part of the public elisp api, I expect timer lists also to be part of the
public api. ------=_Part_1696_1412700598.1582051556033-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 18 14:26:37 2020 Received: (at 39668) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2020 19:26:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41285 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j48Vx-0001uT-K2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:26:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36185) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j48Vw-0001uH-Ea for 39668@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:26:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52520) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j48Vq-000514-V6; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:26:31 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3083 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j48Vi-0000zN-EG; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:26:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:26:12 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1yrlmsr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: ndame In-reply-to: (message from ndame on Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:45:56 +0000 (GMT)) Subject: Re: bug#39668: 26.2; timer-list and timer-idle-list are undocumented in the Elisp manual References: <83sgj7lp5o.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39668 Cc: 39668@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > From: ndame > Cc: "39668@debbugs.gnu.org" <39668@debbugs.gnu.org> > > I needed to access the list of the active timers from an elisp program. > Since timers are available from elisp, the list of timers should be > available too, like the list of buffers, etc. > > I was suprised that I did not find this in the manual. Since timers are > part of the public elisp api, I expect timer lists also to be part of the > public api. We don't describe those lists intentionally, because messing with them can produce unexpected results. Think about that: while you are modifying the list of timers, some timer might expire, and Emacs will run it, and modify the list as result. (We do have protection from at least the simplest forms of such races, but still, we don't like to have Lisp programs manipulate those lists.) Why do you need to access the active timers? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 18 14:44:27 2020 Received: (at 39668) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2020 19:44:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41298 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j48nD-0002KS-Kv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:44:27 -0500 Received: from fmfe22.onbox.hu ([46.107.16.227]:44332 helo=web-out.onbox.hu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j48nA-0002KD-Qt for 39668@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:44:25 -0500 X-fm-smtp-source: yes Received: from localhost (localhost [178.164.166.72]) by web-out.onbox.hu (Postfix) with SMTP id 48MWWk3SKPzcQp; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:44:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:36:08 +0000 (GMT) From: ndame To: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83r1yrlmsr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sgj7lp5o.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1yrlmsr.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#39668: 26.2; timer-list and timer-idle-list are undocumented in the Elisp manual MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1878_1557426663.1582054568758" X-AccountId: 57978162 X-Originating-Ip: 178.164.166.72 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrjeekgdduvdelucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpucfhtffggffotefknfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepfffhvffkjghfufggtghisegrtdersgdttddunecuhfhrohhmpehnuggrmhgvuceovghmrggtshhushgvrhesfhhrvggvmhgrihhlrdhhuheqnecukfhppedujeekrdduieegrdduieeirdejvdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopedpihhnvghtpedujeekrdduieegrdduieeirdejvddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegvmhgrtghsuhhsvghrsehfrhgvvghmrghilhdrhhhupdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39668 Cc: "39668@debbugs.gnu.org" <39668@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_Part_1878_1557426663.1582054568758 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C2=A0 > Why do you need to access the active timers? I wanted only to check the existing timers, not modify them, so I needed only read only access. I don't modify anything. I use this to avoid starting a timer if one is started already. So I just check the timer list for the function names if it already contains=C2=A0 my function. If so then I don't start a timer, because it's already done. So the timer list eliminates the need of me haveing to store the timer in a= variable, because the list tells me if it's already active. =C2=A0 ------=_Part_1878_1557426663.1582054568758 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
> Why do you need to access the active timers?

I wanted only to check the existing timers, not modify them,
so I needed only read only access. I don't modify anything.

I use this to avoid starting a timer if one is started already. So I just
check the timer list for the function names if it already contains 
my function. If so then I don't start a timer, because it's already done.

So the timer list eliminates the need of me haveing to store the timer in a variable,
because the list tells me if it's already active.

  ------=_Part_1878_1557426663.1582054568758-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 18 14:58:09 2020 Received: (at 39668) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2020 19:58:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41314 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j490S-0002eJ-PE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:58:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55697) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j490R-0002dj-50 for 39668@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:58:07 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52996) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j490L-0003EP-Iq; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:58:01 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1052 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j490J-0007bm-71; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:58:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:57:51 +0200 Message-Id: <83mu9fllc0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: ndame In-reply-to: (message from ndame on Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:36:08 +0000 (GMT)) Subject: Re: bug#39668: 26.2; timer-list and timer-idle-list are undocumented in the Elisp manual References: <83sgj7lp5o.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1yrlmsr.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39668 Cc: 39668@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:36:08 +0000 (GMT) > From: ndame > Cc: "39668@debbugs.gnu.org" <39668@debbugs.gnu.org> > > > Why do you need to access the active timers? > > I wanted only to check the existing timers, not modify them, > so I needed only read only access. I don't modify anything. > > I use this to avoid starting a timer if one is started already. So I just > check the timer list for the function names if it already contains > my function. If so then I don't start a timer, because it's already done. > > So the timer list eliminates the need of me haveing to store the timer in a variable, > because the list tells me if it's already active. There are other ways of doing that, but if you really need it for such a rare use case, there's nothing wrong in reading the code. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 18 15:05:49 2020 Received: (at 39668) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2020 20:05:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41322 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j497s-0002sX-SB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:05:49 -0500 Received: from fmfe22.onbox.hu ([46.107.16.227]:27375 helo=web-out.onbox.hu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j497q-0002sH-SK for 39668@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:05:47 -0500 X-fm-smtp-source: yes Received: from localhost (localhost [178.164.166.72]) by web-out.onbox.hu (Postfix) with SMTP id 48MX0N4rGXzccr; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:05:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:04:21 +0000 (GMT) From: ndame To: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83mu9fllc0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sgj7lp5o.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1yrlmsr.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu9fllc0.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#39668: 26.2; timer-list and timer-idle-list are undocumented in the Elisp manual MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1935_420197340.1582056261645" X-AccountId: 57978162 X-Originating-Ip: 178.164.166.72 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrjeekgddufeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpucfhtffggffotefknfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepfffhvffkjghfufggtghisegrtdersgdttddunecuhfhrohhmpehnuggrmhgvuceovghmrggtshhushgvrhesfhhrvggvmhgrihhlrdhhuheqnecukfhppedujeekrdduieegrdduieeirdejvdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopedpihhnvghtpedujeekrdduieegrdduieeirdejvddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegvmhgrtghsuhhsvghrsehfrhgvvghmrghilhdrhhhupdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39668 Cc: "39668@debbugs.gnu.org" <39668@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_Part_1935_420197340.1582056261645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C2=A0 > There are other ways of doing that, but if you really need it for such > a rare use case, there's nothing wrong in reading the code. OK, I only opened this bug, because I though it was an oversight in the man= ual, but if it's intentional, and the list is not considered as part of the publ= ic api then this bug can be closed. ------=_Part_1935_420197340.1582056261645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
> There are other ways of doing that, but if you really need it for such
> a rare use case, there's nothing wrong in reading the code.

OK, I only opened this bug, because I though it was an oversight in the manual,
but if it's intentional, and the list is not considered as part of the public api then
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