From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Tom Tromey Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.158136666012255 (code B ref -1); Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:31:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2020 20:31:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55507 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j1Fhr-0003BZ-Tf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:31:00 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52440) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j1Fho-0003BQ-TL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:30:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55660) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j1Fhn-0006tU-4y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:30:56 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j1Fhk-0000xV-4P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:30:54 -0500 Received: from gateway21.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.45.133]:37385) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j1Fhj-0000Z3-08 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:30:51 -0500 Received: from cm16.websitewelcome.com (cm16.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.19]) by gateway21.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9D9400D0B13 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:30:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from box5379.bluehost.com ([162.241.216.53]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id 1FhPj51d28vkB1FhPj3PZ8; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:30:32 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tromey.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From: Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=HHrAOh8MM0dGFBqS7TKvEPncI1AWEdhs3vKSqbEIY0U=; b=tkN895ehAUHFPOk+V1ZtsUk/cl irPRzw+fATzMPtOPqNvRVzf7sqT3f9uBZy1jEc05/rUYvJFfTv2YGd09q76FvAclOKaOSYZwV4Icu z654N+ntf7SrOayrkjyEYKqep; Received: from 75-166-123-50.hlrn.qwest.net ([75.166.123.50]:47548 helo=murgatroyd) by box5379.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j1FhP-003VwF-Me; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:30:31 -0700 From: Tom Tromey X-Attribution: Tom Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:30:30 -0700 Message-ID: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box5379.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tromey.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 75.166.123.50 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1j1FhP-003VwF-Me X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: 75-166-123-50.hlrn.qwest.net (murgatroyd) [75.166.123.50]:47548 X-Source-Auth: tom+tromey.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: ZWx5bnJvYmk7ZWx5bnJvYmk7Ym94NTM3OS5ibHVlaG9zdC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 192.185.45.133 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I built Emacs from source and noticed that ada-mode was removed. I dislike this decision. I work in Ada with some regularity. The commit log says: Delete built-in ada-mode; Gnu ELPA is a good replacement ... however, I think that's insufficient justification. package.el is designed in such a way that a package could live *both* in emacs proper and have separate updates on ELPA. I'd prefer this "batteries included" approach here. Note that this change neglected to update auto-mode-alist. So, visiting an Ada source file now causes an error. In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.11, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2020-02-07 built on murgatroyd Repository revision: 30abcda54e1b0e15fc10b3db1c2b9f89ca521bfa Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.12006000 System Description: Fedora 30 (Workstation Edition) Recent messages: Saving /home/tromey/.newsrc.eld... Saving file /home/tromey/.newsrc.eld... Wrote /home/tromey/.newsrc.eld Saving /home/tromey/.newsrc.eld...done Making completion list... File mode specification error: (void-function ada-mode) [2 times] Type "q" in help window to restore its previous buffer, C-M-v to scroll help. s is undefined Quit Mark saved where search started Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/home/tromey/Emacs/install --with-libjit --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/tromey/Emacs/install/lib64/pkgconfig/' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG CAIRO SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY LIBSELINUX GNUTLS FREETYPE HARFBUZZ ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS PDUMPER GMP Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: ggtags-navigation-mode: t erc-list-mode: t erc-menu-mode: t erc-autojoin-mode: t erc-ring-mode: t erc-pcomplete-mode: t erc-netsplit-mode: t erc-spelling-mode: t erc-truncate-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t which-function-mode: t erc-track-mode: t erc-track-minor-mode: t erc-notify-mode: t erc-notifications-mode: t erc-match-mode: t erc-services-mode: t erc-networks-mode: t erc-hl-nicks-mode: t erc-button-mode: t erc-fill-mode: t erc-stamp-mode: t erc-irccontrols-mode: t erc-noncommands-mode: t erc-move-to-prompt-mode: t erc-readonly-mode: t savehist-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow emacsbug cl-print webjump novice rfc2368 find-file gud autoconf autoconf-mode idutils pulse pcase goto-addr ggtags etags fileloop xref project log-view pcvs-util tabify man html2text find-dired ffap grep compile python tramp-sh yaml-mode term/xterm xterm dabbrev supercite regi bbdb-message mailalias mail-hist copyright vc-mtn vc-hg vc-bzr vc-src vc-sccs vc-svn vc-cvs vc-rcs org-element avl-tree generator ol-eww ol-rmail ol-mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus nnir ol-docview doc-view image-mode exif ol-bibtex bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m org ob ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint org-pcomplete org-list org-faces org-entities noutline outline org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-table ol org-keys org-compat org-macs org-loaddefs add-log bug-reference vc-git cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds jka-compr erc-list erc-menu erc-join erc-ring erc-pcomplete erc-netsplit erc-spelling erc-truncate smerge-mode diff diff-mode easy-mmode flow-fill mm-archive gnus-html url-queue help-fns radix-tree url-cache mm-url cl-extra sort smiley gnus-cite mail-extr gnus-bcklg misearch multi-isearch gnus-async qp gnus-ml disp-table gnus-topic nndraft nnmh nnfolder utf-7 bbdb-gnus bbdb-mua bbdb-com crm gnutls network-stream nsm gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime dig nntp gnus-cache gnus-sum url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history mailcap shr url-cookie url-domsuf svg dom gnus-group gnus-undo smtpmail sendmail gnus-start gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 netrc nnoo gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg epg-config mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus nnheader gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums text-property-search mail-utils mm-util mail-prsvr flyspell ispell diminish appt diary-lib diary-loaddefs cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs tramp tramp-loaddefs trampver tramp-integration files-x tramp-compat shell pcomplete parse-time iso8601 time-date ls-lisp which-func imenu autorevert filenotify desktop frameset cus-start cus-load git-link url-util erc-track erc-notify erc-desktop-notifications erc-match erc-services erc-networks notifications dbus xml erc-hl-nicks color erc-button erc-fill erc-stamp wid-edit erc-goodies erc erc-backend erc-compat format-spec thingatpt pp erc-loaddefs dired-aux dired-x dired dired-loaddefs warnings advice vc-dir ewoc vc vc-dispatcher flycheck find-func help-mode rx dash cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs bbdb bbdb-site timezone ange-ftp comint ansi-color ring server savehist finder-inf info package easymenu browse-url url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 1253099 400357) (symbols 48 46427 1) (strings 32 428203 32364) (string-bytes 1 10037565) (vectors 16 145593) (vector-slots 8 2855195 239264) (floats 8 476 963) (intervals 56 121804 53778) (buffers 1000 207)) From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> In-Reply-To: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stephen Leake Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, Tom Tromey Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.158197305218199 (code B ref 39553); Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2020 20:57:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j3nSO-0004jT-DF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 15:57:32 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:39084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j3nSM-0004jD-8Z for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 15:57:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39F116008A; 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stephen, you made the commit in question. Could you please take a look at Bug#39553 ? Thanks. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Paul Eggert Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, Tom Tromey , Stephen Leake Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159818856016607 (code B ref 39553); Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2020 13:16:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52312 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9pqq-0004Jb-BN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:16:00 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f179.google.com ([209.85.219.179]:33572) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9pqo-0004Cz-Cx for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:15:59 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f179.google.com with SMTP id p191so3685168ybg.0 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 06:15:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ULZqKTFeJM6Nay4a5NmBZ/85V/c5zs2NdOhNEaheBDg=; b=N8K/SazfAAapPE1W16rQ3RoGxbK/gHFoH1KriC4LMbOuQnEFET3zo9EBm1B1jK8S2y SYxVFkSFBOnKWH4csizjHzbmS3mDvinsYx/8P8xCKSSfjZwUbQWrGUsoUtoaCyDvCmHF JE9UoPmgqHWoZExIXuajVR1top6GGQ4uYosy+qFhzHsPBEgw3mJRbmfujrQP3NCNX9OT aWaPcOeIQjC2L5tsoBOx8OBb7gLJcadqQkZV2/7sadtxou6pMAqZ3Owl64yKwGqiviTM 7CGtkYMN4XpcnH/UL3YO+/BZji+CEsXm0VDr6gjbkKU9gg5rRl5xUgpn0vNpiO9LZt8U PlMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533UG+Glb/tRNaJonmQimxXcIrjJLBzA+dGc9g5qiEzlnkgw9uTl oVCtS4rvesfEqUmsrvHNL05bpl2pgF1pFqQPS+E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzyzu1dy20KtTdjFPCXxqsbNHeUqcpnV7sh34WBTvM8iyY0OViUWQIxSxPI6JNZKJ1FtbMFzjaTj5wqS+hPDEg= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4ed7:: with SMTP id c206mr1684934ybb.129.1598188552969; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 06:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:15:52 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <04ca1e0a-e5d6-7bfa-6605-9a6e86db4ee0@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:57:22 -0800") References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <04ca1e0a-e5d6-7bfa-6605-9a6e86db4ee0@cs.ucla.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:15:52 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Paul Eggert writes: > Stephen, you made the commit in question. Could you please take a look at > Bug#39553 ? Thanks. 6 months later. Ping! From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> In-Reply-To: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> Resent-From: "Nicholas Savage" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 20:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159951147329045 (code B ref 39553); Mon, 07 Sep 2020 20:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 20:44:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51033 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFO09-0007YP-AR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:44:33 -0400 Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.20]:46913) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFNqI-0007Ha-00 for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:34:22 -0400 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14739930 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap21 ([10.202.2.71]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:34:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=8G7dAb0SfN0pckPpEpHRrh/CUsMtV tNwWI4sQxTfDpY=; b=G5O6+sHHzqUwy0Ha361r5uQs0H759H0/Flb0br2Wu7EWQ Dv+rw1w27QHaxbusGr9Or+x7joHdQ7/ZA7gzhBZrqABC/rSC4NHUCSSXJNLUVY00 QRVKlogPRbbJyAI7qxBQHN3rPqXLKZ8uDZhyd3hZmIrobxThXuW3JojHH9qJJwOk QQObdr68Gc0A5hM+CJ5t4IPDNrTW0MvNTv/mOuvmtmRcUJYFOpeLPoovC1jrCoXg kiDazilWHqFdtqdqVPfITea/bHDH3NXYkXS84u4cd7ZZbf7eWvk0mbovBETxcVVs +gw2iqiyxBw7XoNnla07S+fz9Fc1p/gWA3HbcYIFg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrudehtddgudehvdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofgfggfkfffhvffutgesthdtre dtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdfpihgthhholhgrshcuufgrvhgrghgvfdcuoehnihgtkhes nhhitghkshgrvhgrghgvrdgtrgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepfeefkefhudffvdfgue etieefuddtjeehtdejieeifffghffgffelvdegieethfeunecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihii vgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepnhhitghksehnihgtkhhsrghvrghgvg drtggr X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id C49EA660069; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:34:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-259-g88fbbfa-fm-20200903.003-g88fbbfa3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:33:54 -0400 From: "Nicholas Savage" Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:44:31 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Without speaking to the policy decision of removing ada-mode, I don't seem to have the same problem as you do in regards to auto-mode-alist. When I open an Ada source file it opens in fundamental mode with no error. Looking through the value of auto-mode-alist as well I don't see anything related to Ada, which is probably the expected behaviour. I've never dealt with Ada files before, so maybe there is a configuration problem on your end? From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 20:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Nicholas Savage" Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159951222230380 (code B ref 39553); Mon, 07 Sep 2020 20:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 20:57:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51072 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFOCE-0007tw-Fx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:57:02 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33454) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFOCC-0007t0-92 for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:57:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZdFON9HPKzL3oVs0ezhNR/fR/4mQLrMwqxjsERSrQu8=; b=crgvTklLckn3kXh6pGPaekU7LL UsgYzgCiWtM8SB5gG94NRBV6lbVutcu7EiWY3vqu1XsrfxxJ6kUQ/PMhzpzgupMdonZ6Dn2MvsYat cXkzsmhX7IfYf5ePwRC+RMc79CarOD2AJsnQ8J9WIGzmGy0ZZE5yvpc8HwQbQWcMD/CU=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFOBv-0003fY-JL; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:56:54 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Meg Hentges's _Afterlaugh_: "Laziness Kills" Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:56:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> (Nicholas Savage's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:33:54 -0400") Message-ID: <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Nicholas Savage" writes: > Without speaking to the policy decision of removing ada-mode, I don't > seem to have the same problem as you do in regards to > auto-mode-alist. When I open an Ada source file it opens in > fundamen [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "Nicholas Savage" writes: > Without speaking to the policy decision of removing ada-mode, I don't > seem to have the same problem as you do in regards to > auto-mode-alist. When I open an Ada source file it opens in > fundamental mode with no error. Looking through the value of > auto-mode-alist as well I don't see anything related to Ada, which is > probably the expected behaviour. I've never dealt with Ada files > before, so maybe there is a configuration problem on your end? I think this was fixed recently: commit b44a5d849e2d29bf91abe9015105cc71da458b1f Author: Stephen Leake AuthorDate: Fri Aug 7 04:43:18 2020 -0700 * lisp/files.el (auto-mode-alist): delete ada-mode; now in GNU ELPA only As for the policy of moving modes to ELPA -- I think we shouldn't do that until we have the "include ELPA in the Emacs distribution" thing that's been discussed for quite a while (but hasn't been implemented yet). As for ada-mode in particular, it's too late to move it back now, so I don't think there's anything further to be done in this bug report, so I'm closing it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 07 16:57:13 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 20:57:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51075 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFOCO-0007uJ-PQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:57:12 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33470) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFOCN-0007u7-4G for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:57:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EbJj3tOtVYmm4Hw4u3A8m8aCc4b55Sq03MmoJF3r9KE=; b=qbCElC8Jh7U5CZoGTdK2lQ5gtF o1tmduoT9Ya8W2Y8H0GrkQk6CjyXwycsrRzQ5jUGJrcSSxrAbzYDyKinK/o+rZiBrkDPnBTlS7FWL OrjGe0y+1tgRLmFNh1M4UPRlkkMhpXYbNtqhrkCwJ+FKAfRZkTMU4L/lS8q+tT8Qa7QA=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFOCF-0003fm-Ax for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:57:05 +0200 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:57:02 +0200 Message-Id: <87eend8fvl.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #39553 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 39553 wontfix close 39553 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 39553 wontfix close 39553 quit From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 02:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, nick@nicksavage.ca Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.15995322515334 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 02:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 02:30:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTPH-0001Ny-0T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:30:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54872) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTPF-0001Nd-4T for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:30:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58997) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTP9-00021q-MR; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:30:43 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4740 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTP8-0007SX-HT; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:30:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 05:30:41 +0300 Message-Id: <83r1rdm23y.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:56:42 +0200) References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:56:42 +0200 > Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org > > As for the policy of moving modes to ELPA -- I think we shouldn't do > that until we have the "include ELPA in the Emacs distribution" thing > that's been discussed for quite a while (but hasn't been implemented > yet). I tend to agree. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 07:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Nicholas Savage Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159955059311533 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 07:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 07:36:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51753 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFYB7-0002zx-GY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 03:36:33 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f45.google.com ([209.85.208.45]:40358) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFYB5-0002ze-DZ for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 03:36:31 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f45.google.com with SMTP id t16so10168158edw.7 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 00:36:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zq0ZW9W22czAFR5yLQAFlwTLPuMvoadE4ZzwTTgJPkQ=; b=RAvJzkCtt1DrIvedZ9fS8vjpRFRhr9TnNvYeUsA+3AiHyf2A5f77P0MTUf//1AU0Yx XIM0aM6bqZFs1/3/yL2GAB7HGSzEWXegNeHnhWS5q633WMfaK1/wX5ks0jdbiqcoBSZh mzn3yHowJDKx0wka/q8BSI15CYohJWqj+BBAEF9STCITFCr9THbUIaAVRFOger2DJh1l lTBk9UJQHzp35VOmFstgAHQ9FYCzv9x1QvAQFv/g3z5C4oh+JkMvrYB22F7IPHXuKiRb FzJ94eMTvXQ2MZGA9Hdu893ATV+0hIW+lMwSgDReXpIPNLJUuNOsuRGrjgTsrCIAV56S bApw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zq0ZW9W22czAFR5yLQAFlwTLPuMvoadE4ZzwTTgJPkQ=; b=FgYchxzlVnPs+gE02/ce3IEhV46zj+Lo2OEnq3Zw1tIAYbWwskzA8Ll0gLqvtElpS1 8mgrSt8Qxe9ZelxUtxbeB2JUHmF2o8pLX29FDfEMcDIXdXaREMzkdKz9HQVH9Pnj8Vs1 8trIuxMFQAPh2GI6YGnxG4a08IzDDeBX4qqxawGPIukWU+LRnvYtpNimKzLfYhxz+5pl RNQGWV/oqk/Yjqy+cJFlI9gnK044aZPoAz3tTomL6SVNVwpWga63djX4XTmmapTWLJ2p 83Cv7c6SlL54MEppqLEPM5B2EfxvFb9AwvbLlloXsmPXHc4k9q+y1u3GXsHsePYETjlE m5WA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532eoPMZKKKi6KdfCRskqQqA1cz6659jr40bT47IsyS6IDr+6Bt2 eQC31cjNEu3oJgkQf31OSsCBT4XUjbbWUR2K+JA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyYvtot6MmR40qJEDPXSJ037YFQQfaP1rfvu+JSS4N5FwV5uIuGcp2H4UlDCC2g7+sYTHlySJlFvsQYHC9Tx+M= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:c347:: with SMTP id j7mr7135495edr.185.1599550585624; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 00:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:36:24 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:36:24 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > As for the policy of moving modes to ELPA -- I think we shouldn't do > that until we have the "include ELPA in the Emacs distribution" thing > that's been discussed for quite a while (but hasn't been implemented > yet). Is it hard to do? We just need to add a step to copy the relevant files in make-tarball.txt and we're done, no? Or do we need it to be completely automatic? > As for ada-mode in particular, it's too late to move it back now, so I > don't think there's anything further to be done in this bug report, so > I'm closing it. Can't we just move it back in 27.2? From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 08:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Nicholas Savage , 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159955224414239 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 08:05:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 08:04:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51800 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFYbj-0003hU-R5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 04:04:04 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:51659) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFYbf-0003g7-O0 for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 04:04:00 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BlyMy3V0zz1ryWp; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:03:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BlyMy0wDMz1qw6Z; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:03:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6O7bafQz2KpP; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:03:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: wP8nE4b0n56e3DzZmRITIU0818obBTO9wRgaZVLDoSDZ+g8v+QvjrNG2q36MlQW0 Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-182-180.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.182.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:03:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E578A2C2894; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:03:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> X-Yow: Now my EMOTIONAL RESOURCES are heavily committed to 23% of the SMELTING and REFINING industry of the state of NEVADA!! Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:03:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:36:24 -0700") Message-ID: <87eenc1yqb.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) On Sep 08 2020, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Is it hard to do? We just need to add a step to copy the relevant files > in make-tarball.txt and we're done, no? Or do we need it to be > completely automatic? You probably also need to regenerate loaddefs.el. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: >> As for the policy of moving modes to ELPA -- I think we shouldn't do >> that until we have the "include ELPA in the Emacs distribution" thing >> that's been discussed for quite a while (but hasn't [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: >> As for the policy of moving modes to ELPA -- I think we shouldn't do >> that until we have the "include ELPA in the Emacs distribution" thing >> that's been discussed for quite a while (but hasn't been implemented >> yet). > > Is it hard to do? We just need to add a step to copy the relevant files > in make-tarball.txt and we're done, no? Or do we need it to be > completely automatic? I think the idea is that one should still be able to download newer versions of the packages from ELPA, even if (older) versions are included in the distribution? But I haven't followed the discussions much... >> As for ada-mode in particular, it's too late to move it back now, so I >> don't think there's anything further to be done in this bug report, so >> I'm closing it. > > Can't we just move it back in 27.2? We could, but I think that'd be even more annoying, really. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, Nicholas Savage Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.15995670416946 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 12:10:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52322 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFcSO-0001nx-QB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 08:10:40 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f51.google.com ([209.85.218.51]:38928) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFcSM-0001nj-1o for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 08:10:38 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f51.google.com with SMTP id p9so22136103ejf.6 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 05:10:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4L23bopqozsN9TUj6xeh9b7o1jqHORV7Mx7pgDDgK0o=; b=WwkGCJVBiMYyXo+bF7lZu2/joLjqC9tAnZv+3iveLy34QMbmUuHyAAdAAFLvl9ItPx DuKZkSSAy4U3HjJkaNlvqwY1fHUDUgOMsV0m/N9qizlUMIH+IZMYu68icHvhTVMwtRyP Z0qkBPljGhIXRBvDkDqYe6O6QKSi9uYHNDtm/EinFgy9ifziZ8fQIXnlywCOS3JGEoj3 t1h5sJ8jk+B1JyzzdmLyJJiHJ9bnOp19mzXrIOHhOFBk/HY2S/FrZp/2/s7uBaVXUa6G cY+pMIys6AgNuCTrt6IVaXRml7iB7aaRxBgDi6OTRj5dGF7H/Ngh/JWUJHDKb/rE1zfe Mb9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4L23bopqozsN9TUj6xeh9b7o1jqHORV7Mx7pgDDgK0o=; b=JGbaslaawGAnJa4Vjik1ZmuaIpmwX2KgCtonUZE9iXrR3LLY/rmpwFxvIaymO2F0hC 3Dwd9KhYKRwwP5/XE4HRh3DQ8vZVtCT/nTpnI21Q1J/gy5gqiL0x5b4chfgZPzf87PwD Sz6jD5z12JUWRdOI53Ac2f8BqogPGeEgwGxR1r2Wh8POax1rxj+w9zDINSspR5bOn08L d4c7Jd29AI5G6+cCVhJVdUk9fBVXHrV0KWV2BF7VhBnzwyzeI6OIsWCjWIuHULI/CFAO i46c6ljtLbJqG1edEveG5ve/sF4ln0ziz6ou8cVUwvdnSi9qucwLi5fUKSQCTyDlAJGC +kOA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531SzHcje0QJkvBY7PLtaQp+mBo16lcDJfeQKBtG0pAU8tnjZko3 5GrdwM1V1pZoB/ryI4R2HhrjRKlOfatRhb7A4C8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwM3xTteLnJgSOaNot3d1kyrNP7EXCngSTjw1h1dEIdeKvGjLrwBXL/5WIjmsP2cImAJhbQhSc8p44iLzhCoaM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:bb0e:: with SMTP id jz14mr26584795ejb.525.1599567032202; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 05:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 05:10:31 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87zh604l3r.fsf@gnus.org> References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh604l3r.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 05:10:31 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Is it hard to do? We just need to add a step to copy the relevant files >> in make-tarball.txt and we're done, no? Or do we need it to be >> completely automatic? > > I think the idea is that one should still be able to download newer > versions of the packages from ELPA, even if (older) versions are > included in the distribution? But I haven't followed the discussions > much... Shouldn't that Just Work (TM)? To be more specific, typing `M-x list-packages U' should mark such packages for upgrade automatically? Anything else sounds like a bug to me. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Stefan Kangas Cc: larsi@gnus.org, nick@nicksavage.ca, 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.15995751037231 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 14:25:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55746 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeYR-0001sY-4h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:25:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeYP-0001s2-VY for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:25:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40559) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeYK-0006VN-L3; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:24:56 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4586 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeYI-0001rd-P4; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:24:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:24:54 +0300 Message-Id: <83imcomjm1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:36:24 -0700) References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:36:24 -0700 > Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org > > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > > As for the policy of moving modes to ELPA -- I think we shouldn't do > > that until we have the "include ELPA in the Emacs distribution" thing > > that's been discussed for quite a while (but hasn't been implemented > > yet). > > Is it hard to do? We just need to add a step to copy the relevant files > in make-tarball.txt and we're done, no? That part is simple, but then it won't support updating the package from ELPA. So doing this "the simple way" flies in the face of the very reason for which packages are moved to ELPA: to allow users update them without waiting for the next Emacs release. The challenge is to "include ELPA" in a way that will allow updating the included packages. > > As for ada-mode in particular, it's too late to move it back now, so I > > don't think there's anything further to be done in this bug report, so > > I'm closing it. > > Can't we just move it back in 27.2? If that's what people want, sure, I think we can. But we should first review the reasons for which we moved ada-mode to ELPA: perhaps some of those reasons are still valid, and we will be re-creating the same problems again. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, Nicholas Savage Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.15995752187397 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 14:26:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55750 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeaI-0001vF-Ib for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:26:58 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f50.google.com ([209.85.218.50]:44832) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeaG-0001v1-AJ for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:26:56 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f50.google.com with SMTP id r7so9476977ejs.11 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 07:26:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4VlXRXyrFZPcxp26kPPtogXjD/b8G6QUCmlGNY+lp/c=; b=ddehefW986sAuAVKGjvP96gyC3fbkKy0PCrzyKVdBCageB57RfjXfopnRC4U5Zzl1R Sldq/axlRiDHTrHP17YHqZrWTjYxEMFEO+Kd9A4OJoA3/vbeLTO/q5okIdonZFC1dX+n Ci5ec1rllFeVh68n3MO7zrWCIgiUgTNMPe87V7IRLCFbP3Igjsvzh0sG2ju0/IMxRn2o 2Y4979vtGTUnRA3XfhR3oS1JK7KRgKoor4a5NABqjWuXCNCSopWFyDvSQEwqHKZuuM9+ yIIKmi2q/hEAV76HLKHdccWvbG2LG06aNQt6eAoAu30PWTuZkZzavUz330ovNYpa04YN kO1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4VlXRXyrFZPcxp26kPPtogXjD/b8G6QUCmlGNY+lp/c=; b=HvFNFJ31yy6V5NV4iJ/cJyhL4n73j0OXAtfX58KjHWFqn7UWYTrfwxStPXz5OViZWX gJ3FtTCoJaN2U6pcrnRnhQpt4yv9VoNPZWF2zDs3YCEVCB//Hu9+pecDyKqega2f1XL6 FrQGNxZznaWqkJA7YR2Xhyr6R5GsR89ThoCXegM+JMBQJTQkcLNTcdpUEBOJF3UBMg9W IDurQ/htzE2UcH3J90xpUlpPqt/78xC/+QJqJ/S9yYBAsQm3j1kaEI5RjPaiD/y6AXLh EBCjwH4cEcgkk2e2Dd2o22jGfUdfIaqhbvtAAEX1HgdaJyH/NdBR4cbStZ3bTGb8xv51 FSwg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531lCWcVay7YGpfLJ/PH4dgl6bq4KUrM5NNdaejrfd6XVuDF9OaW Sc9MUEgVf6PoQXpO8d11BRlgNWEfNFNUf3wSvkI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwM4EwcUwpMKrJYY/ZhHIXfC6onA9hXoXlBuDXpLLQOS+L4C+B8I+jUvK428LyjpdTX/ohQBx4kAwbayZMO1uQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:facb:: with SMTP id lu11mr27461048ejb.249.1599575210468; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 07:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:26:49 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh604l3r.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:26:49 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >>> Is it hard to do? We just need to add a step to copy the relevant files >>> in make-tarball.txt and we're done, no? Or do we need it to be >>> completely automatic? >> >> I think the idea is that one should still be able to download newer >> versions of the packages from ELPA, even if (older) versions are >> included in the distribution? But I haven't followed the discussions >> much... > > Shouldn't that Just Work (TM)? > > To be more specific, typing `M-x list-packages U' should mark such > packages for upgrade automatically? Anything else sounds like a bug to > me. Seems like this actually doesn't work. I press `M-x list-packages' using an Emacs with svg.el version 1.0. Version 1.1 is available from GNU ELPA. But it doesn't propose to update it. I'm not sure where that leaves us... From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Stefan Kangas Cc: larsi@gnus.org, nick@nicksavage.ca, 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159957699910563 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 14:56:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFf31-0002kI-4y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:56:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFf2y-0002k5-M2 for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:56:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41271) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFf2t-0002sG-5e; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:56:31 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2571 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFf2s-0008Of-HV; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:56:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:56:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83a6y0mi5e.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:26:49 +0000) References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh604l3r.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:26:49 +0000 > Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, Nicholas Savage > > Stefan Kangas writes: > > >> I think the idea is that one should still be able to download newer > >> versions of the packages from ELPA, even if (older) versions are > >> included in the distribution? But I haven't followed the discussions > >> much... > > > > Shouldn't that Just Work (TM)? > > > > To be more specific, typing `M-x list-packages U' should mark such > > packages for upgrade automatically? Anything else sounds like a bug to > > me. > > Seems like this actually doesn't work. > > I press `M-x list-packages' using an Emacs with svg.el version 1.0. > Version 1.1 is available from GNU ELPA. But it doesn't propose to > update it. > > I'm not sure where that leaves us... It leaves us with a job that someone should do, so that we could bundle ELPA packages with Emacs releases. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 15:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: larsi@gnus.org, nick@nicksavage.ca, 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159957778411884 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 15:10:01 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 15:09:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55966 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfFf-00035b-Uz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:09:44 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f49.google.com ([209.85.208.49]:44895) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfFe-00035O-9X for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:09:42 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f49.google.com with SMTP id b12so16324425edz.11 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 08:09:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mbfuvNjHpvFiggTYRhN3aRCW29oL1+RmVzWR7zQeURY=; b=oIslxviwzcBqxnjgmlxKileulMT7b5hP2g8acpMljQD89kDIJgJg69ylrNAC42w0jj GhDdvUKuY/63mU7LlW+koJQv4Gj9Hdr6fj6ZTsuGcl1ICd17Dihrd5fFxULsXHb78o5Q QEasU4DluIa95y4AmjkUqPk10Rsz3XL2b9HA81GFtghAy4WMJ37VnbSCYeQVMyydS6eb 3UHVzA4aCw9K1t9kJaTLGNZK2t2ehB346OMMBEswbfhi+y25XGkAhseeOPzXk76UfYye 8jcymaQNY7HqCaD3BXYWud1IrJKigA7gaX7Cgs1fKEqjn7u7cIA5eVbygl6Ofd+CT25T ENRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mbfuvNjHpvFiggTYRhN3aRCW29oL1+RmVzWR7zQeURY=; b=CckKg/jLaN4FdgNJDGPwHoWHVkGFJvvDW2MZcTFPQjLqzWDd/ikoIpVqcif9vleppd e26QYuZP1mibqCJFAVzTga1frBVBQ1F3SUm8iQzaB08nbfuSUEexYToAHs0vFpFMLotT ESGUXgETyFOZ4S78NPiD5aHDt6qvgpX6L+USqQZPEfk4Awv/IC2xlS/WGJ25aoh5ZcQK 7utpaXGu5uUfnb5eHrl6GfXYFnz14aZbJnm3/T4T7W7wMfA1KJa35E/TbhfKQoz0xgD3 jZ9zi7qHE0/wSnBn2b/2ichWlgjANo47bEc/N3agkXahzsoCvBF+t2DUJF3eug2ttat+ Xb0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531FUm0BuoV2cxf9QuchV+hxkDZ9WIZpMyhqv4AqaY1pcfH8hmM6 FCqicsT0kCEdm8qnWR6JwAcqqTgAw1+mN6ocBf8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwa5cdgWfrgc/ezogqIq8lXj0WyW0om4Zzm6FLO3qhMLrWDivUOJy0uyR35rK+ruKeXJubve1LGjbZcF3xD+Og= X-Received: by 2002:a50:e68a:: with SMTP id z10mr28482668edm.100.1599577776471; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 08:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:09:35 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83a6y0mi5e.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh604l3r.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6y0mi5e.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:09:35 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I'm not sure where that leaves us... > > It leaves us with a job that someone should do, so that we could > bundle ELPA packages with Emacs releases. Right. Sorry to not be more clear, but what I mean more specifically is that I don't understand what needs doing here. I suppose `M-x list-packages U' should consider also built-in packages. Anything else? From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 15:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Stefan Kangas Cc: larsi@gnus.org, nick@nicksavage.ca, 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159957913114257 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 15:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 15:32:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56060 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfbP-0003ht-Gv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:32:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48270) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfbN-0003hb-33 for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:32:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42116) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfbH-0000W6-JU; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:32:03 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4745 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfbH-000675-2X; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:32:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 18:32:02 +0300 Message-Id: <83zh60l1xp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:09:35 +0000) References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh604l3r.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6y0mi5e.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:09:35 +0000 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, nick@nicksavage.ca > > Right. Sorry to not be more clear, but what I mean more specifically is > that I don't understand what needs doing here. > > I suppose `M-x list-packages U' should consider also built-in packages. > > Anything else? Doesn't package.el maintain some information about packages being installed? If so, how and where do you maintain that information for packages that come from the tarball? IOW, packages installed by package.el go to a special directory and are handled specially by the startup code, something that is not true for a built-in package. This needs rectifying in some way. I don't know enough about package.el to give more specific and detailed advice, sorry. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: larsi@gnus.org, nick@nicksavage.ca, 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159958160026763 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 16:13:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56187 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFgFE-0006xb-4b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:13:20 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f47.google.com ([209.85.208.47]:33153) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFgFB-0006xM-AZ for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:13:18 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f47.google.com with SMTP id g4so16624902edk.0 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RRpgrAJFx9w71yYDLuBr2M6I+Btr76507y13JdZg0mc=; b=gztveQ2uWdQjDRvH2aDWm44mbLkNnkyWZuXJZUAr3k77FKb1vw5T4nOHgmS0on3/aP Ho2ZsXfn1I37Yz+6+/yjUQNwwZ7xvzguhzvTS2FN+i286hMW5exNx9VlMq+ELdR3biAt L6fIzk5Qop5lsr05NRYQOkXjpJqISOXFhR8X5KgFF4FdrHRFEilw3UoE2mNK7z7d5QQv K3F7YXJR47DNeypS5cU4ayvLny7Qyi8B9CU12aNcWNDJypmt5Zc0ahnrCPtFSJe4K1WF caDlXQVcawrc+w4qdc5r4dgtpuyzN6dQ2ncA0oyUjBBXteY1YMjDY6M4MFD/ISUN20M6 /HFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RRpgrAJFx9w71yYDLuBr2M6I+Btr76507y13JdZg0mc=; b=ZCbfmN3IXdVDSwtggJ1fTztjkZMvHrRhya6CFprmDAbHyTZQVNYd4sJXPKvZg5VTNz iDmXLow7b45UZ3lispq3wLRJF0R1+Oc/4WoF0zQsupueBeQVN2JIQGaXo9W0k+oGIJSj M52PgM6448RNE5RZYcK3/uGrruOElP0IWry/a1LkaAGq6wJ9JQFceBD/KN9YKU+Fy/3S wFRCxoYV+CDtbWGrCFFrB5mBkuPaUAROR/59LjegVmYaBTg2bQsbVah2yo6bpNJx4GPo gF5XcWZKIYp4kUjXfUezvMS4jrql1MqefpOYmswa7xTEWCT9OW6yUs3m6E/0srV3idW6 E/Dg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Z8WOeIg+im9sXYQU6yD6+++B+wBHIeydZ+2IMPf2++2FxT4Js h7Tsw8nKvGZHB2tNuMDDzX8omK4PAWzjq7C3aSQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyX+kp5wnxpQENN/lh3c0g9kElWvOUHIgCmDkc0UbCqEas5QxZgigoBqnCV7hcoUaBtf7LeiPdM7aqsYtbBvUc= X-Received: by 2002:a50:e68a:: with SMTP id z10mr28805437edm.100.1599581591305; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:13:10 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83zh60l1xp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh604l3r.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6y0mi5e.fsf@gnu.org> <83zh60l1xp.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:13:10 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Doesn't package.el maintain some information about packages being > installed? AFAIK, it just uses whatever is in your `package-directory-list'. > If so, how and where do you maintain that information for packages > that come from the tarball? Good question, I'd need to look into the details. > IOW, packages installed by package.el go to a special directory and > are handled specially by the startup code, something that is not true > for a built-in package. This needs rectifying in some way. I don't > know enough about package.el to give more specific and detailed > advice, sorry. I thought this was okay, since this is initialized in the early init file? But I might be overlooking something. Maybe we should ask on emacs-devel what the hurdles are, because there seems to be some possibly subtle problems here that I don't fully understand. It would be good to get this to work, if possible... From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Eli Zaretskii , nick@nicksavage.ca, 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.159958790212494 (code B ref 39553); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 17:58:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56352 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFhss-0003FS-2t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 13:58:22 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:44308) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFhsk-0003F8-GG for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 13:58:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=A84h5DgZzee/q2D14kvyNUjviOfKK54DdMArt9BuERg=; b=IdGI9dPMhsCeaEai6KO3QH213y LxoT4MFY647pqw2wqz7qxRv56y+IWQ0kPisKCkjtm59HLIC1EE8elKsG/m5KfKd/8Uf4mhg7c+IwQ dPHSS0aPznDyk01c4JhOGdLOqYWTdALIZx+0BTypv7UjQGKA117O686bMmzALzKYpicc=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFhsa-00068X-8D; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 19:58:07 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <403d8d04-d59b-4d85-87a7-b2dc60bae702@www.fastmail.com> <87ft7t8fw5.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh604l3r.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6y0mi5e.fsf@gnu.org> <83zh60l1xp.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAG1BMVEXW1NT7+vqaoLSC gX4RFiAaMWAuXLFnjNL///+RzdFuAAAAAWJLR0QIht6VegAAAAd0SU1FB+QJCBE5OLLHRckAAAGm SURBVDjLtZTBTsMwDIadTBrXjCcIZiTXaYUXgLQPgJZyRZWaXKcA8evjtM02ISGQEN7Uuv7y20nc FOA723xjfwElrxJfAIiNmEuqjfhVKgXsKMG608j5fr1Hiah3Wt+gvrlUaJAgtRAaEMSPNVa3iNg0 zR5nY3c3ge3B994550c/GbtPMwh9zBwMs41MHhcQkg3eR8oT8YcK+pDAjH1CYsss8RXkafARLAFS 0VRgpxQoKSlZNAu46xMhK0wMEWQCqsCEhGAjmRBismVMBZEYpGlORKkUeZ5r3POaY0phAlQKLsXf nrXpMZWw5QlSGBcwGL321oZoU6aLWW1fVq9rH3MEXkgqCxmXGi84mEO3PnLLJcbzrLZdDN61JLhJ cDVcgDY+HJw/2kAAOfKsanEfPpzjrR+48RRYcFL02bmWE8kCOF63vfUjA3OUrDCjPzfKdZyqG64y IRrPfTqDdwa8NO7kWOJnwA9diLy7eYq3M7h3bXk4vSInsGoW2zfN7eztfnjbVTmK6st5rECpcgWh VPkvoASKL8pZ498fT239Hij4reI/wSfC5rg96R7ECQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMC0w OS0wOFQxNzo1Nzo1NiswMDowMPkLDysAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjAtMDktMDhUMTc6 NTc6NTYrMDA6MDCIVreXAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Motorpsycho's _Roadwork vol. 5 (2)_: "Un Chien d'Espace" Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 19:58:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:13:10 +0000") Message-ID: <87mu2040d0.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > Maybe we should ask on emacs-devel what the hurdles are, because there > seems to be some possibly subtle problems here that I don't fully > understand. It would be good to get this to work, if poss [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Maybe we should ask on emacs-devel what the hurdles are, because there > seems to be some possibly subtle problems here that I don't fully > understand. It would be good to get this to work, if possible... 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ada mode was removed Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.16053037562761 (code B ref 39553); Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Nov 2020 21:42:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49461 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kdgpz-0000iM-Iv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:42:36 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:54134) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kdgpx-0000iA-IF for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:42:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F7D160157 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; 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Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87pn4h9kcp.fsf@tromey.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) [Forwarding this from Tom Tromey, as his original email to=20 39553@debbugs.gnu.org bounced due to the fact that Bug#39553 was=20 archived at the time. I have unarchived the bug.] -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 11:34:30 -0700 From: Tom Tromey To: Stefan Kangas CC: Paul Eggert , Stephen Leake=20 , 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, Tom Tromey=20 >> Stephen, you made the commit in question. Could you please take a look= at >> Bug#39553 ? Thanks. Stefan> 6 months later. Ping! I'd like to point out that the replacement does not actually work. I installed it and it asks me to run a build script: File mode specification error: (error ada_mode_wisi_lr1_parse not found=20 on =E2=80=98exec-path=E2=80=99; run =E2=80=99build.sh=E2=80=99 in the ELP= A package.) This seems like a step backward compared to the old mode, but ok. However: murgatroyd. pwd /home/tromey/.emacs.d/elpa/ada-mode-7.1.4 murgatroyd. sh build.sh directories.gpr:27:04: no value defined=20 for "hardware_platform" directories.gpr:27:41: undefined external reference "HARDWARE_PLATFO= RM" gprclean: "ada_mode_wisi_parse.gpr" processing failed directories.gpr:27:04: no value defined for "hardware_platform" directories.gpr:27:41: undefined external reference "HARDWARE_PLATFO= RM" gprbuild: "ada_mode_wisi_parse.gpr" processing failed That is, compilation fails. I think I'll try to make my own package from the old sources. I'd like to ask, though, that the old package just be restored. I don't see any benefit to the current setup, only negatives. thanks, Tom From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:44:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39553: [SPAM UNSURE] Re: bug#39553: 28.0.50; ada mode was removed Resent-From: Stephen Leake Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Tom Tromey Cc: 39553@debbugs.gnu.org, Paul Eggert , Stefan Kangas Received: via spool by 39553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39553.160535326730398 (code B ref 39553); Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 39553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2020 11:27:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49874 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kdtiX-0007u8-KE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 06:27:47 -0500 Received: from gateway23.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.49.219]:49655) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kdtiV-0007tz-0Z for 39553@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 06:27:40 -0500 Received: from cm14.websitewelcome.com (cm14.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.7]) by gateway23.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF596A17 for <39553@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 05:27:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from host2007.hostmonster.com ([67.20.76.71]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id dtiUkB7SFfgo0dtiUk7XpL; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 05:27:38 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stephe-leake.org; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=XZoVoLyC74y7PFxqx7TyAep6tDnF4bLnsLgMhheSHrM=; b=UPzmMhyCNfoXyXNYjXAPEE1ruR Wr4up1m0rwk/UM87GXqel8GUduHljFIGAMphy39zFOd1AE20sQ05v+S/c9UvWMXqvBz44Qe0XeIf3 SikpCPbmOoTiOXxvIZvw5ulDHBPYM+T5O4ubrgTHXUBwv388ouaL4UvU/yHKBSKTx6iZgoXxye/7l EK+jUpu/i/8njxWbREUkkTfqhXlJre3Xqp0Qnxs55H35r6l+45seYt1NwyXoB8vk3FFaAJZ+fOwNX HzF3b/oXhHDyR5Vv3sg19ajQhHawxXdIKocdp5E8qZMh8smVt0agVa0oPSfeG30yFLX4eBFdrFc5u QK1qXtMQ==; Received: from [76.77.182.20] (port=49388 helo=Takver4) by host2007.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1kdtiT-003s4e-Ln; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 04:27:37 -0700 From: Stephen Leake References: <8736bimbh5.fsf@tromey.com> <04ca1e0a-e5d6-7bfa-6605-9a6e86db4ee0@cs.ucla.edu> <87pn4h9kcp.fsf@tromey.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:27:32 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87pn4h9kcp.fsf@tromey.com> (Tom Tromey's message of "Fri, 13 Nov 2020 11:34:30 -0700") Message-ID: <86blg0gouz.fsf@stephe-leake.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2007.hostmonster.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stephe-leake.org X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 76.77.182.20 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1kdtiT-003s4e-Ln X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (Takver4) [76.77.182.20]:49388 X-Source-Auth: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbGU7c3RlcGhlbGU7aG9zdDIwMDcuaG9zdG1vbnN0ZXIuY29t X-Local-Domain: yes X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) Tom Tromey writes: >>> Stephen, you made the commit in question. Could you please take a look = at >>> Bug#39553 ? Thanks. > > Stefan> 6 months later. Ping! I'm sorry, but I never got the first emails about this bug. There seems to be an issue with sending email from the bug server to my mail server. It's possible a spam filter ate them. > I'd like to point out that the replacement does not actually work. > > I installed it and it asks me to run a build script: > > File mode specification error: (error ada_mode_wisi_lr1_parse not > found on =E2=80=98exec-path=E2=80=99; run =E2=80=99build.sh=E2=80=99 in t= he ELPA package.) > This seems like a step backward compared to the old mode, but ok. Since you are using ada-mode, the assumption is you are used to compiling Ada code, so this should not be a burden. > However: > > murgatroyd. pwd > /home/tromey/.emacs.d/elpa/ada-mode-7.1.4 > murgatroyd. sh build.sh=20 > directories.gpr:27:04: no value defined for "hardware_platform" > directories.gpr:27:41: undefined external reference "HARDWARE_PLATFOR= M" > gprclean: "ada_mode_wisi_parse.gpr" processing failed > directories.gpr:27:04: no value defined for "hardware_platform" > directories.gpr:27:41: undefined external reference "HARDWARE_PLATFOR= M" > gprbuild: "ada_mode_wisi_parse.gpr" processing failed > > That is, compilation fails. This indicates a problem with your Ada compiler installation. 'directories.gpr' is not from ada-mode. If you use the Community release of GNAT from https://www.adacore.com/community, build.sh runs cleanly. > I think I'll try to make my own package from the old sources. They are all available at https://download.savannah.nongnu.org/releases/ada-mode/, back to ada-mode 5.1.9 in 2016. > I'd like to ask, though, that the old package just be restored. > I don't see any benefit to the current setup, only negatives. Once you get the code compiled, there are many benefits to the latest version; support for Ada 2012 (and 2020 in the next release), more consistent indentation, integration with package.el. I deleted the old ada-mode to force people to try the new one, and also to avoid maintenance requests on the old code. I have no objection to making the old code available in lisp/obsolete, so it is clear it is no longer supported. --=20 -- Stephe From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 10 11:04:02 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2021 15:04:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38956 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mOi4Q-0001PL-Oj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:04:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60296) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mOi4P-0001Oq-FE for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:04:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOi4K-0006VR-A3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:03:56 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOi4K-0008Oy-5L for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:03:56 -0400 Subject: control message for bug 50510 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 3.4) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:03:56 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) unarchive 39553 forcemerge 39553 50510