From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:36:33 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3939: 23.0.96; I can not understant the paragraph in emacs manual. Reply-To: waterloo , 3939@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: waterloo Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:40:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 3939 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.124867643912950 (code B ref -1); Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:40:05 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Jul 2009 06:33:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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When an .el file is in one of load-path, do I need to load it in .emacs to use it ? I feel the meaning of the below paragragh is not clear. Thanks ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Often you do not have to give any command to load a library, because the commands defined in the library are set up to "autoload" that library. Trying to run any of those commands calls `load' to load the library; this replaces the autoload definitions with the real ones from the library. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file /usr/share/emacs/23.0.96/etc/DEBUG for instructions. In GNU Emacs 23.0.96.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.1) of 2009-07-09 on laptop Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10503000 configured using `configure '--prefix=/usr' '--build=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--host=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--program-suffix=-emacs-23' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-sound' '--with-x' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--without-libotf' '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--without-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus' 'build_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -march=pentium-m -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_MONETARY: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=SCIM locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: TeX-source-specials-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t global-auto-complete-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t yas/minor-mode: t auto-image-file-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Recent input: Recent messages: compare-windows: No other window Mark set [2 times] No more matching points byte-code: End of buffer [2 times] Quit call-interactively: Text is read-only [2 times] Quit [4 times] Mark set bunzip2ing emacs.info.bz2...done bunzip2ing emacs-3.info.bz2...done --001636e9107ab910cf046faa2218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below paragraph is in 31.8 Libraries of Lisp Code for Emacs of Emacs
Man= ual.

When an .el file is in one of load-path, do I need to load it i= n
.emacs to use it ?

I feel the meaning of the below paragragh is= not clear.

Thanks

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
=A0Often you do= not have to give any command to load a library, because
the commands de= fined in the library are set up to "autoload" that
library.=A0= Trying to run any of those commands calls `load' to load the
library; this replaces the autoload definitions with the real ones from
= the library.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

If Emacs cras= hed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include = the output from the following gdb commands:
=A0=A0=A0 `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
If you would like to furth= er debug the crash, please read the file
/usr/share/emacs/23.0.96/etc/DE= BUG for instructions.


In GNU Emacs 23.0.96.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu,= GTK+ Version 2.16.1)
=A0of 2009-07-09 on laptop
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Found= ation', version 11.0.10503000
configured using `configure=A0 '--= prefix=3D/usr' '--build=3Di686-pc-linux-gnu' '--host=3Di686= -pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir=3D/us= r/share/info' '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc= ' '--localstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--program-suffix=3D-emacs-2= 3' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-sound'= ; '--with-x' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gi= f' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' = 9;--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--without= -libotf' '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk' = '--without-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerb= eros5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus' 'build_alias=3Di6= 86-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Di686-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS= =3D-O2 -march=3Dpentium-m -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1''

Important settings:
=A0 value of $LC_ALL: nil
=A0 value of $LC_CO= LLATE: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8
=A0 value of $= LC_MESSAGES: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_MONETARY: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 v= alue of $LC_NUMERIC: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_TIME: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
= =A0 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3DSCIM
=A0 locale-coding-system: utf-8-uni= x
=A0 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Info
=
Minor modes in effect:
=A0 TeX-source-specials-mode: t
=A0 show-paren-mode: t
=A0 display-ti= me-mode: t
=A0 global-auto-complete-mode: t
=A0 desktop-save-mode: t<= br>=A0 yas/minor-mode: t
=A0 auto-image-file-mode: t
=A0 shell-dirtra= ck-mode: t
=A0 tooltip-mode: t
=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
= =A0 menu-bar-mode: t
=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=A0 global-font-loc= k-mode: t
=A0 font-lock-mode: t
=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=A0 globa= l-auto-composition-mode: t
=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
=A0 auto-com= pression-mode: t
=A0 column-number-mode: t
=A0 line-number-mode: t=A0 transient-mark-mode: t
=A0 abbrev-mode: t

Recent input:
&= lt;help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <down-mouse-4> =
<mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> &= lt;mouse-5>
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-mo= vement> <drag-mouse-1>
<S-down-mouse-1> <down-mouse-1= > <mouse-1> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <down= -mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <d= ouble-down-mouse-5>
<double-mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <= mouse-5> <down-mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <trip= le-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mou= se-5> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <= mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <help-echo> &l= t;down-mouse-1>
<mouse-1> <help-echo> <help-echo> = <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <do= uble-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-= 5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mou= se-4> <mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4= > <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-mouse-5> <help= -echo>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <do= wn-mouse-1>
<mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <down-mou= se-1> <mouse-movement>
<mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <help-echo> <help-echo= >
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-movement>= <drag-mouse-1>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-= movement> <mouse-1>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>=
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-4&= gt; <mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> = <down-mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <down= -mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-mou= se-5> <triple-down-mouse-5>
<triple-mouse-5> <triple-= down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5>
<down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> &= lt;down-mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5>= ; <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5>
<help-echo> <down-mouse= -1> <mouse-1> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-2> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-= 5>
<double-mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <d= own-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-= mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5>
<triple-mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down= -mouse-4>
<double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <tri= ple-mouse-4>
<triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <= triple-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <= br><triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> =
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <double-down-mo= use-5>
<double-mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-= 5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mou= se-5> <mouse-5>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-= mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4>
<double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <= br><triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse= -4>
<triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mo= use-4>
<triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down-mouse= -4>
<double-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <= down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <help-echo> <= down-mouse-8>
<mouse-8> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1>= <mouse-1> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5&= gt; <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movemen= t>
<mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <down-mouse-5> = <mouse-5>
<double-down-mouse-5> <double-mouse-5> <= down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> &= lt;mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <t= riple-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> <= mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4>
<double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <= br><triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-1> =
<mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <= help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> &l= t;help-echo>
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-m= ovement> <drag-mouse-1>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> &= lt;down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> &= lt;mouse-5>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>= ; <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5= > <mouse-5> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <help-echo> <help-echo> &l= t;help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> &= lt;help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> = <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <= ;help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> &l= t;help-echo> <help-echo>
<menu-bar> <help-menu> &l= t;send-emacs-bug-report>

Recent messages:
compare-windows: No other window
Mark set [2 tim= es]
No more matching points
byte-code: End of buffer [2 times]
Qui= t
call-interactively: Text is read-only [2 times]
Quit [4 times]
Mark set
bunzip2ing emacs.info.bz2...done
bunzip2ing emacs-3.info.bz2= ...done
--001636e9107ab910cf046faa2218-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:36:33 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: waterloo Subject: bug#3939 closed by Chong Yidong (Re: 23.0.96; I can not understant the paragraph in emacs manual.) Message-ID: References: <87ab2oomhn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <907065090907262333h3947b5fep156eca76141e467e@mail.gmail.com> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 3939 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 3939@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:30:08 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1248795008-5725-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1248795008-5725-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #3939: 23.0.96; I can not understant the paragraph in emacs manual. It has been closed by Chong Yidong . Their explanation is attached below along with your original report. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Chong Yidong by replying to this email. --=20 3939: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D3939 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1248795008-5725-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 3939-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Jul 2009 15:28:45 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: <87ab2oomhn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) > Below paragraph is in 31.8 Libraries of Lisp Code for Emacs of Emacs > Manual. > > When an .el file is in one of load-path, do I need to load it in > .emacs to use it ? > > I feel the meaning of the below paragragh is not clear. I've clarified the paragraph in the manual. Thanks. ------------=_1248795008-5725-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Jul 2009 06:33:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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From: waterloo To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e9107ab910cf046faa2218 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) --001636e9107ab910cf046faa2218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below paragraph is in 31.8 Libraries of Lisp Code for Emacs of Emacs Manual. When an .el file is in one of load-path, do I need to load it in .emacs to use it ? I feel the meaning of the below paragragh is not clear. Thanks ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Often you do not have to give any command to load a library, because the commands defined in the library are set up to "autoload" that library. Trying to run any of those commands calls `load' to load the library; this replaces the autoload definitions with the real ones from the library. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file /usr/share/emacs/23.0.96/etc/DEBUG for instructions. In GNU Emacs 23.0.96.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.1) of 2009-07-09 on laptop Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10503000 configured using `configure '--prefix=/usr' '--build=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--host=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--program-suffix=-emacs-23' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-sound' '--with-x' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--without-libotf' '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--without-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus' 'build_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -march=pentium-m -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_MONETARY: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=SCIM locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: TeX-source-specials-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t global-auto-complete-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t yas/minor-mode: t auto-image-file-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Recent input: Recent messages: compare-windows: No other window Mark set [2 times] No more matching points byte-code: End of buffer [2 times] Quit call-interactively: Text is read-only [2 times] Quit [4 times] Mark set bunzip2ing emacs.info.bz2...done bunzip2ing emacs-3.info.bz2...done --001636e9107ab910cf046faa2218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below paragraph is in 31.8 Libraries of Lisp Code for Emacs of Emacs
Man= ual.

When an .el file is in one of load-path, do I need to load it i= n
.emacs to use it ?

I feel the meaning of the below paragragh is= not clear.

Thanks

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
=A0Often you do= not have to give any command to load a library, because
the commands de= fined in the library are set up to "autoload" that
library.=A0= Trying to run any of those commands calls `load' to load the
library; this replaces the autoload definitions with the real ones from
= the library.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

If Emacs cras= hed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include = the output from the following gdb commands:
=A0=A0=A0 `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
If you would like to furth= er debug the crash, please read the file
/usr/share/emacs/23.0.96/etc/DE= BUG for instructions.


In GNU Emacs 23.0.96.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu,= GTK+ Version 2.16.1)
=A0of 2009-07-09 on laptop
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Found= ation', version 11.0.10503000
configured using `configure=A0 '--= prefix=3D/usr' '--build=3Di686-pc-linux-gnu' '--host=3Di686= -pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir=3D/us= r/share/info' '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc= ' '--localstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--program-suffix=3D-emacs-2= 3' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-sound'= ; '--with-x' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gi= f' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' = 9;--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--without= -libotf' '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk' = '--without-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerb= eros5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus' 'build_alias=3Di6= 86-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Di686-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS= =3D-O2 -march=3Dpentium-m -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1''

Important settings:
=A0 value of $LC_ALL: nil
=A0 value of $LC_CO= LLATE: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8
=A0 value of $= LC_MESSAGES: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_MONETARY: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 v= alue of $LC_NUMERIC: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_TIME: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
= =A0 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3DSCIM
=A0 locale-coding-system: utf-8-uni= x
=A0 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Info
=
Minor modes in effect:
=A0 TeX-source-specials-mode: t
=A0 show-paren-mode: t
=A0 display-ti= me-mode: t
=A0 global-auto-complete-mode: t
=A0 desktop-save-mode: t<= br>=A0 yas/minor-mode: t
=A0 auto-image-file-mode: t
=A0 shell-dirtra= ck-mode: t
=A0 tooltip-mode: t
=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
= =A0 menu-bar-mode: t
=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=A0 global-font-loc= k-mode: t
=A0 font-lock-mode: t
=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=A0 globa= l-auto-composition-mode: t
=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
=A0 auto-com= pression-mode: t
=A0 column-number-mode: t
=A0 line-number-mode: t=A0 transient-mark-mode: t
=A0 abbrev-mode: t

Recent input:
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<mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> &= lt;mouse-5>
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-mo= vement> <drag-mouse-1>
<S-down-mouse-1> <down-mouse-1= > <mouse-1> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <down= -mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <d= ouble-down-mouse-5>
<double-mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <= mouse-5> <down-mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <trip= le-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mou= se-5> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <= mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <help-echo> &l= t;down-mouse-1>
<mouse-1> <help-echo> <help-echo> = <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <do= uble-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-= 5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mou= se-4> <mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4= > <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-mouse-5> <help= -echo>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <do= wn-mouse-1>
<mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <down-mou= se-1> <mouse-movement>
<mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <help-echo> <help-echo= >
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-movement>= <drag-mouse-1>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-= movement> <mouse-1>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>=
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-4&= gt; <mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> = <down-mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <down= -mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-mou= se-5> <triple-down-mouse-5>
<triple-mouse-5> <triple-= down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5>
<down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> &= lt;down-mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5>= ; <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5>
<help-echo> <down-mouse= -1> <mouse-1> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-2> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-= 5>
<double-mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <d= own-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-= mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5>
<triple-mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down= -mouse-4>
<double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <tri= ple-mouse-4>
<triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <= triple-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <= br><triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> =
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <double-down-mo= use-5>
<double-mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-= 5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mou= se-5> <mouse-5>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-= mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4>
<double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <= br><triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse= -4>
<triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mo= use-4>
<triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down-mouse= -4>
<double-mouse-4> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <= down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <help-echo> <= down-mouse-8>
<mouse-8> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1>= <mouse-1> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5&= gt; <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movemen= t>
<mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <down-mouse-5> = <mouse-5>
<double-down-mouse-5> <double-mouse-5> <= down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> &= lt;mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <t= riple-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> <= mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4>
<double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <= br><triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-1> =
<mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <= help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> &l= t;help-echo>
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-m= ovement> <drag-mouse-1>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> &= lt;down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5> &= lt;mouse-5>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>= ; <mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <down-mouse-5= > <mouse-5> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <help-echo> <help-echo> &l= t;help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> &= lt;help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> = <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <= ;help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> &l= t;help-echo> <help-echo>
<menu-bar> <help-menu> &l= t;send-emacs-bug-report>

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