From unknown Wed Jun 18 00:24:42 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#39359 <39359@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#39359 <39359@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches Reply-To: bug#39359 <39359@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:24:42 +0000 retitle 39359 [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capit= alize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches reassign 39359 emacs submitter 39359 "Jorge" severity 39359 minor tag 39359 fixed patch thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 30 10:42:03 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2020 15:42:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36137 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ixBxC-0001Bf-Jj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:42:03 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:35843) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ixBxA-0001BG-FG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:42:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ixBx7-00026n-US for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:42:00 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ixBx6-0005Ee-2H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:41:57 -0500 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:49258) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ixBx5-00057T-CH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:41:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F96B2E94C for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:41:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uecobdVU9VUu for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:41:49 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1580398909; bh=QXscE0/A8U/DAcUS50uhP4FYPxR/PUP92eqyul46Vgc=; h=Date:From:Subject:To; b=mcem77abCRXdmqO11P4Uvgm6AcPM0rSXOru4BN9BewEfArZQWi4ywsRJh3tCz7n29 Q10GwMvXxV7LsR95m2pIifsJWST2OLFGV1LKKZS7ZFZnUqPrS5EjPBEvCOYHdKZaDO 9Ig2HI9g6BoDD33gqwfjKR7sc8tS5IX37OP3EG7mo/8wd+XLTlgdkkwyYVcDUoOgRH RgSsrzV4Y9bNIKqkm210nCPKMqs8w4vounci46E1IwPA5RdOZ5Cbk+DDdb6yHUQeWy SX+JHrsHUetZCSACxXuTGT/NqXFL5hsnTN8uHRhVdOct70U863VadSK0r5OadOhGf7 KsFz+Hu7Cnl7w== Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:41:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Jorge" Message-ID: <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> Subject: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 178.21.23.139 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Hello. This trivial patch is my first patch submitted to a free=0Asoftwa= re project (not counting wiki edits), so please do not hesitate to=0Acorr= ect any mistakes (including the potential mistake of being too=0Anitpicky= ). Now the commit message, followed by the patch:=0A=0ATUTORIAL: Be accu= rate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired=0A=0A- Disambiguate "buff= er" vs "file" after the section that explains=0A buffers.=0A- Capitalize= "Dired".=0A=0A--8<---------------cut here---------------start-----------= -->8---=0Adiff --git a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A= index a7017336a7..4f24264f4d 100644=0A--- a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A+++ = b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A@@ -662,5 +662,5 @@ There are many C-x command= s. Here is a list of the ones you have learned:=0A =0A C-x C-f Find fi= le=0A- C-x C-s Save file=0A+ C-x C-s Save buffer=0A C-x s Save some b= uffers=0A C-x C-b List buffers=0A@@ -697,11 +697,11 @@ want to change o= nly some of the occurrences.)=0A -----------=0A =0A-When you have made ch= anges in a file, but you have not saved them yet,=0A-they could be lost i= f your computer crashes. To protect you from=0A-this, Emacs periodically= writes an "auto save" file for each file that=0A-you are editing. The a= uto save file name has a # at the beginning and=0A-the end; for example, = if your file is named "hello.c", its auto save=0A-file's name is "#hello.= c#". When you save the file in the normal way,=0A-Emacs deletes its auto= save file.=0A+When you have made changes in a file-visiting buffer, but = you have not=0A+saved them yet, they could be lost if your computer crash= es. To=0A+protect you from this, Emacs periodically writes an "auto save= " file=0A+for each such buffer that you are editing. The auto save file = name has=0A+a # at the beginning and the end; for example, if your file i= s named=0A+"hello.c", its auto save file's name is "#hello.c#". When you= save=0A+the buffer in the normal way, Emacs deletes its auto save file.= =0A =0A If the computer crashes, you can recover your auto-saved editing = by=0A@@ -731,6 +731,6 @@ This line gives useful information about the sta= tus of Emacs and=0A the text you are editing.=0A =0A-You already know wha= t the filename means--it is the file you have=0A-found. NN% indicates yo= ur current position in the buffer text; it=0A+You already know what "TUTO= RIAL" means--it is the current buffer's=0A+name. NN% indicates your curr= ent position in the buffer text; it=0A means that NN percent of the buffe= r is above the top of the screen.=0A If the top of the buffer is on the s= creen, it will say "Top" instead=0A@@ -764,6 +764,6 @@ switch to that mod= e. For example, M-x fundamental-mode is a command to=0A switch to Fundam= ental mode.=0A =0A-If you are going to be editing human-language text, su= ch as this file, you=0A-should probably use Text Mode.=0A+If you are goin= g to be editing human-language text, such as this=0A+buffer, you should p= robably use Text Mode.=0A =0A >> Type M-x text-mode .=0A@@ -1085,= 5 +1085,5 @@ You can learn more about Emacs by reading its manual, either= as a=0A printed book, or inside Emacs (use the Help menu or type C-h r).= =0A Two features that you may like especially are completion, which saves= =0A-typing, and dired, which simplifies file handling.=0A+typing, and Dir= ed, which simplifies file handling.=0A =0A Completion is a way to avoid u= nnecessary typing. For instance, if you=0A--8<---------------cut here---= ------------end--------------->8---=0A=0A=0ABelow are four other tiny pat= ches to the TUTORIAL. The largest adds=0Atwo lines. If you wish, I can = open a separate bug report for each.=0A=0ATUTORIAL: Put the least relevan= t (nowadays) reason last=0A--8<---------------cut here---------------star= t------------->8---=0Adiff --git a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL b/etc/tutorials= /TUTORIAL=0Aindex eb3acde9c0..ee2ed65378 100644=0A--- a/etc/tutorials/TUT= ORIAL=0A+++ b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A@@ -186,12 +186,13 @@ to type M-< = also; without the shift key, you would be typing M-comma.=0A =0A You can = also move the cursor with the arrow keys, if your terminal has=0A arrow k= eys. We recommend learning C-b, C-f, C-n and C-p for three=0A-reasons. = First, they work on all kinds of terminals. Second, once=0A-you gain pra= ctice at using Emacs, you will find that typing these Control=0A-characte= rs is faster than typing the arrow keys (because you do not=0A-have to mo= ve your hands away from touch-typing position). Third, once=0A-you form = the habit of using these Control character commands, you can=0A-easily le= arn to use other advanced cursor motion commands as well.=0A+reasons. Fi= rst, once you gain practice at using Emacs, you will find=0A+that typing = these Control characters is faster than typing the arrow=0A+keys (because= you do not have to move your hands away from=0A+touch-typing position). = Second, once you form the habit of using=0A+these Control character comm= ands, you can easily learn to use other=0A+advanced cursor motion command= s as well. Third, they work on all=0A+kinds of terminals.=0A =0A Most Em= acs commands accept a numeric argument; for most commands, this=0A serves= as a repeat-count. The way you give a command a repeat count=0A--8<----= -----------cut here---------------end--------------->8---=0A=0A=0ATUTORIA= L: One can save to a file /after/ entering the text, via C-x C-w=0A--8<--= -------------cut here---------------start------------->8---=0Adiff --git = a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0Aindex ee2ed65378..29b= 76792ea 100644=0A--- a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A+++ b/etc/tutorials/TUTOR= IAL=0A@@ -490,8 +490,8 @@ whether you can yank it with C-y; it makes no d= ifference for undo.=0A =0A In order to make the text you edit permanent, = you must put it in a=0A file. Otherwise, it will go away when you exit E= macs. In order to=0A-put your text in a file, you must "find" the file b= efore you enter the=0A-text. (This is also called "visiting" the file.)= =0A+put your text in a file, you normally "find" the file before you ente= r=0A+the text. (This is also called "visiting" the file.)=0A =0A Finding= a file means that you see the contents of the file within=0A Emacs. In = many ways, it is as if you were editing the file itself.=0A--8<----------= -----cut here---------------end--------------->8---=0A=0A=0ATUTORIAL: Men= tion (in passing) Emacs server for quick edits=0A--8<---------------cut h= ere---------------start------------->8---=0Adiff --git a/etc/tutorials/TU= TORIAL b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0Aindex 29b76792ea..dcfd2a3315 100644=0A-= -- a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A+++ b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A@@ -656,7 +6= 56,7 @@ can resume Emacs with the "fg" command or with "%emacs".=0A =0A T= he time to use C-x C-c is when you are about to log out. It's also=0A th= e right thing to use to exit an Emacs invoked for a quick edit, such=0A-a= s by a mail handling utility.=0A+as by a mail handling utility (unless yo= u use the Emacs server feature).=0A =0A There are many C-x commands. Her= e is a list of the ones you have learned:=0A--8<---------------cut here--= -------------end--------------->8---=0A=0A=0ATUTORIAL: Query-replace is m= ore user-friendly than replace-string=0A=0AIf we mention just replace-str= ing, we might leave the impression that=0Ait is the usual way to do find-= and-replace in Emacs, and thus scare=0Athe user.=0A--8<---------------cut= here---------------start------------->8---=0Adiff --git a/etc/tutorials/= TUTORIAL b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0Aindex dcfd2a3315..a7017336a7 100644= =0A--- a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A+++ b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A@@ -690,= 6 +690,8 @@ argument with .=0A "changed" with "altered" wherev= er it occurred, after the=0A initial position of the cursor.=0A =0A+(T= he command query-replace, by default bound to M-%, is useful if you=0A+wa= nt to change only some of the occurrences.)=0A =0A * AUTO SAVE=0A -------= ----=0A--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---= =0A=0AAnd I noticed the TUTORIAL exceeds the 72-character line limit in a= few=0Aplaces. Can I refill it?=0A=0ARegards=0A--=0A- I am Brazilian. I= hope my English is correct and I welcome feedback=0A- Please adopt free = formats like PDF, ODF, Org, LaTeX, Opus, WebM and 7z=0A- Free/libre softw= are for Android: https://f-droid.org/=0A- [[https://www.gnu.org/philosoph= y/free-sw.html][What is free software?]] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 31 04:29:38 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2020 09:29:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36574 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScM-0001Kk-3U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:29:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScJ-0001KX-RV for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:29:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScE-0007zs-KT; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:29:30 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3937 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScD-0000ka-Ju; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:29:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:29:09 +0200 Message-Id: <83sgjwkm8q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: "Jorge" In-reply-to: <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> (jorge+list@disroot.org) Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches References: <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: 39359@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:41:48 +0000 > From: "Jorge" > > Hello. This trivial patch is my first patch submitted to a free > software project (not counting wiki edits), so please do not hesitate to > correct any mistakes (including the potential mistake of being too > nitpicky). Now the commit message, followed by the patch: > > TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired > > - Disambiguate "buffer" vs "file" after the section that explains > buffers. Thanks. Personally, my gut feeling is that we shouldn't introduce this complexity in the tutorial. Users coming from other editors are used to saying "save the file" (and the evidence is the File->Save menu item present in many applications, including Emacs). So "save file" is natural, whereas "save buffer into the file it visits" is less so, and for newbies any complication at this stage is an obstacle. It is no accident that buffers are described in the tutorial only after files. (This is yet another reason why introducing buffers before they are described in the tutorial might be a step in the wrong direction.) Bottom line: I think in this case accuracy is less important than providing an introduction to Emacs usage that is as free from complexities as practically possible. 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Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches To: "Eli Zaretskii" In-Reply-To: <83sgjwkm8q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sgjwkm8q.fsf@gnu.org> <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: 39359@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) January 31, 2020 6:29 AM, "Eli Zaretskii" wrote:=0A=0A> (T= his is yet another reason why introducing buffers before they are=0A> des= cribed in the tutorial might be a step in the wrong direction.)=0A=0AI un= derstand. I only disambiguated buffer vs file after the BUFFERS=0Asectio= n.=0A=0A> Bottom line: I think in this case accuracy is less important th= an=0A> providing an introduction to Emacs usage that is as free from=0A> = complexities as practically possible.=0A=0AI understand. However, if the= user learns too much inaccuracy, she can=0Abe confused later when she tr= ies to consult docstrings or the Info=0Amanual, because (IIRC) these use = technical terminology.=0A=0ABesides, the current tutorial is slightly inc= onsistent in the EXTENDING=0ATHE COMMAND SET section, because it says "Sa= ve file" for C-x C-s, but=0A"Save some buffers" for C-x s.=0A=0ASo I've m= ade a second attempt. I don't want to waste your time with my=0AOCD, so = if after analyzing the second attempt you decide to just apply=0Athe part= s you agree with (even if just the capitalization fix at the=0Aend: "dire= d" -> "Dired") and proceed to discuss the other trivial patches=0A(and I = can open separate bug reports for them if you wish), I'm OK with=0Athat.= =0A=0A--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---= =0Adiff --git a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0Aindex a= 7017336a7..536351c582 100644=0A--- a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL=0A+++ b/etc/t= utorials/TUTORIAL=0A@@ -662,13 +662,15 @@ There are many C-x commands. H= ere is a list of the ones you have learned:=0A =0A C-x C-f Find file=0A= C-x C-s Save file=0A- C-x s Save some buffers=0A+ C-x s Save some fi= les=0A C-x C-b List buffers=0A C-x b Switch buffer=0A C-x C-c Quit = Emacs=0A C-x 1 Delete all but one window=0A C-x u Undo=0A =0A+(Techni= cally, C-x C-s is "save-buffer" and C-x s is save-some-buffers.)=0A+=0A N= amed eXtended commands are commands which are used even less=0A frequentl= y, or commands which are used only in certain modes. An=0A example is th= e command replace-string, which replaces one string with=0A@@ -696,13 +69= 8,13 @@ want to change only some of the occurrences.)=0A * AUTO SAVE=0A -= ----------=0A =0A-When you have made changes in a file, but you have not = saved them yet,=0A-they could be lost if your computer crashes. To prote= ct you from=0A-this, Emacs periodically writes an "auto save" file for ea= ch file that=0A-you are editing. The auto save file name has a # at the = beginning and=0A-the end; for example, if your file is named "hello.c", i= ts auto save=0A-file's name is "#hello.c#". When you save the file in th= e normal way,=0A-Emacs deletes its auto save file.=0A+When you have made = changes in a file (technically, to its buffer), but=0A+you have not saved= them yet, they could be lost if your computer=0A+crashes. To protect yo= u from this, Emacs periodically writes an "auto=0A+save" file for each fi= le that you are editing. The auto save file=0A+name has a # at the begin= ning and the end; for example, if your file=0A+is named "hello.c", its au= to save file's name is "#hello.c#". When=0A+you save the file in the nor= mal way, Emacs deletes its auto save file.=0A =0A If the computer crashes= , you can recover your auto-saved editing by=0A finding the file normally= (the file you were editing, not the auto=0A@@ -730,13 +732,15 @@ The mod= e line says something like this:=0A This line gives useful information ab= out the status of Emacs and=0A the text you are editing.=0A =0A-You alrea= dy know what the filename means--it is the file you have=0A-found. NN% i= ndicates your current position in the buffer text; it=0A-means that NN pe= rcent of the buffer is above the top of the screen.=0A-If the top of the = buffer is on the screen, it will say "Top" instead=0A-of " 0%". If the b= ottom of the buffer is on the screen, it will say=0A-"Bot". If you are l= ooking at a buffer so small that all of it fits on=0A-the screen, the mod= e line says "All".=0A+You already know what "TUTORIAL" means--it is the c= urrent file's name=0A+(technically it is the buffer's name, but, when you= are editing a file,=0A+by default that is the file's name). NN% indicat= es your current=0A+position in the buffer text; it means that NN percent = of the buffer is=0A+above the top of the screen. If the top of the buffe= r is on the=0A+screen, it will say "Top" instead of " 0%". If the bottom= of the=0A+buffer is on the screen, it will say "Bot". If you are lookin= g at a=0A+buffer so small that all of it fits on the screen, the mode lin= e says=0A+"All".=0A =0A The L and digits indicate position in another way= : they give the=0A current line number of point.=0A@@ -763,8 +767,8 @@ ma= jor mode is the name of an extended command, which is how you can=0A swit= ch to that mode. For example, M-x fundamental-mode is a command to=0A sw= itch to Fundamental mode.=0A =0A-If you are going to be editing human-lan= guage text, such as this file, you=0A-should probably use Text Mode.=0A+I= f you are going to be editing human-language text, such as this=0A+tutori= al, you should probably use Text Mode.=0A =0A >> Type M-x text-mode .=0A =0A@@ -1084,7 +1088,7 @@ corresponding command names (such as C-x= C-f beside find-file).=0A You can learn more about Emacs by reading its = manual, either as a=0A printed book, or inside Emacs (use the Help menu o= r type C-h r).=0A Two features that you may like especially are completio= n, which saves=0A-typing, and dired, which simplifies file handling.=0A+t= yping, and Dired, which simplifies file handling.=0A =0A Completion is a = way to avoid unnecessary typing. 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Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches In-Reply-To: (Jorge's message of "Fri, 31 Jan 2020 13:28:14 +0000") References: <83sgjwkm8q.fsf@gnu.org> <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 06:02:54 +0100 Message-ID: <87imjq6l4x.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39359@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Jorge, First, I'd like to congratulate you on writing your first patch to a free software project. Let's hope we see many more. "Jorge" writes: > January 31, 2020 6:29 AM, "Eli Zaretskii" wrote: > >> (This is yet another reason why introducing buffers before they are >> described in the tutorial might be a step in the wrong direction.) > > I understand. I only disambiguated buffer vs file after the BUFFERS > section. > >> Bottom line: I think in this case accuracy is less important than >> providing an introduction to Emacs usage that is as free from >> complexities as practically possible. > > I understand. However, if the user learns too much inaccuracy, she can > be confused later when she tries to consult docstrings or the Info > manual, because (IIRC) these use technical terminology. [...] > So I've made a second attempt. I don't want to waste your time with my > OCD, so if after analyzing the second attempt you decide to just apply > the parts you agree with (even if just the capitalization fix at the > end: "dired" -> "Dired") and proceed to discuss the other trivial patches > (and I can open separate bug reports for them if you wish), I'm OK with > that. Thanks. Please see my comments below. > diff --git a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL > index a7017336a7..536351c582 100644 > --- a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL > +++ b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL > @@ -662,13 +662,15 @@ There are many C-x commands. Here is a list of the ones you have learned: > > C-x C-f Find file > C-x C-s Save file > - C-x s Save some buffers > + C-x s Save some files I think this change is good, and more consistent with what we already have. > C-x C-b List buffers > C-x b Switch buffer > C-x C-c Quit Emacs > C-x 1 Delete all but one window > C-x u Undo > > +(Technically, C-x C-s is "save-buffer" and C-x s is save-some-buffers.) I agree with Eli that we should probably avoid introducing the concept of buffers here. Even if we would want to introduce it, the suggested text is much too terse. > -When you have made changes in a file, but you have not saved them yet, [...] > +When you have made changes in a file (technically, to its buffer), but Same comment as above. > -You already know what the filename means--it is the file you have > -found. [...] > +You already know what "TUTORIAL" means--it is the current file's name > +(technically it is the buffer's name, but, when you are editing a file, > +by default that is the file's name). I don't understand the need for this change. Perhaps it's a matter of taste, but I think I prefer the original. > -If you are going to be editing human-language text, such as this file, you > -should probably use Text Mode. > +If you are going to be editing human-language text, such as this > +tutorial, you should probably use Text Mode. I don't understand the need for this either. > Two features that you may like especially are completion, which saves > -typing, and dired, which simplifies file handling. > +typing, and Dired, which simplifies file handling. I think this qualifies as a typo: well spotted. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 03 06:30:39 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2020 11:30:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38765 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j95l1-0008LN-Fo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 06:30:39 -0500 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:53852) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j95kz-0008LE-Pi for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 06:30:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A932EAB4; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:30:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yj4it6t8_C5p; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:30:33 +0100 (CET) From: Jorge P. de Morais Neto DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1583235031; bh=c00Wu6p2wv9lIucrDSCTZvIHVq5673Do6fB6TUfRjQ0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=WaJcMdfPbUsQyS8QJj2COE+ejtiloU9jCOdf+Ac//g7DQYhLQrkLxkhjAZuPHC1G7 EEipBoLzvTcyZHPsJOuLy6zUFz7bhFeEm/XbZA7c6/SKUpmoUd8V/54a48y88ThnMf PbCvYIE3ccbk1aeaqoWNzwDv8+d0EyXAS84RChPu3rfVAdr3QLHSUNT07Mx09KwD81 z0TzV+1Z1Vi+FlRmNKKEhpprPJ6NsZpIHfu7a2G9pfVhWBWKhDCkl88oOL7kVkSyGp C6kgKMsW+XQ8oX/JQLATne5fXY+QINmb7a1bYNkCg6kcs/lclK7ggQhnmUF2ABB5Ic bDk3vgnMA1VQg== To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches In-Reply-To: <87imjq6l4x.fsf@stefankangas.se> References: <83sgjwkm8q.fsf@gnu.org> <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> <87imjq6l4x.fsf@stefankangas.se> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 08:30:25 -0300 Message-ID: <87a74xhe0e.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39359@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi. Em [2020-02-29 s=C3=A1b 06:02:54+0100], Stefan Kangas escreveu: > First, I'd like to congratulate you on writing your first patch to a > free software project. Let's hope we see many more. Thank you! And you accepted parts of my first trivial patch. However, the original email in this thread had four other trivial patches for the tutorial. Can you look at them or do you want me to open four separate bug reports? Again, I hope not to waste your time with my OCD, so please give me feedback if I am being too nitpicky. Regards --=20 - - I am Brazilian. I hope my English is correct and I welcome feedback. - Free Software Supporter: From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 24 06:10:30 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2020 10:10:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56456 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvHx-00082Q-TT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:10:30 -0400 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:33754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvHw-000829-LT for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:10:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ysyPwm3A+Qst8YVocVHDnSM+LDT7KwV61MyWbwnToEA=; b=R+nPLG32RYVtvb9YpIjhfOrYkJ ts3vHUroukmpBfc6yuNRk0FyqEaG08NUX06w2n+uKMAKP7Udg+Mc4w7FUEcZ4bMFA7ZE7uKEZmEMJ IbwEob6VV+8grPPc7se9oIfiqnCGbO0mvAPQxvsuT6EXuWFKOFwRfbhTkOmG0/7lLNH8+8EtVX4AM RHT+HR4B2NHWxBucVTVZnNLy2+G5eNrZmMayWtSvRS/KOnWixYKrVElb7YJLdo6roKIu/aWGojZSA iDZjX6Rz9kLora10dVqoiJ06hNAL+pYxtWAX9/O09xzhr3VB8iAcKgzCjVnwi1HvaKRu9343e1vlI vP38ibTw==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:51048 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvHq-001GEq-Fy; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:10:23 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas To: Jorge P. de Morais Neto Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches In-Reply-To: <87a74xhe0e.fsf@disroot.org> (Jorge P. de Morais Neto's message of "Tue, 03 Mar 2020 08:30:25 -0300") References: <83sgjwkm8q.fsf@gnu.org> <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> <87imjq6l4x.fsf@stefankangas.se> <87a74xhe0e.fsf@disroot.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:19 +0200 Message-ID: <877dy5tcs4.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39359@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jorge P. de Morais Neto writes: >> First, I'd like to congratulate you on writing your first patch to a >> free software project. Let's hope we see many more. > > Thank you! > > And you accepted parts of my first trivial patch. However, the original > email in this thread had four other trivial patches for the tutorial. > Can you look at them or do you want me to open four separate bug > reports? Again, I hope not to waste your time with my OCD, so please > give me feedback if I am being too nitpicky. Sorry for the late reply here. Could you please send a new patch including these changes? I had a look at your first message but found it hard to ascertain what it is exactly that you're proposing. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 07 12:21:17 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jun 2020 16:21:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhy2v-0002H9-DU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 12:21:17 -0400 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:57406) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhy2t-0002Gy-Ex for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 12:21:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B4055E97; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 18:21:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xnRrGYS6r-8E; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 18:21:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Jorge P. de Morais Neto DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1591546872; bh=gwVipF9KArcJw0zg8/gVC/G90xf7sADkN2jev5gPjAw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Date; b=KseG82/7sanpANSWZJ4OXC9TFFwF9XwkfhYgqpel7qiupDPiWgFuoL/rU4QakZl7w bJ+mPn11FMngNE15UU6Zmro1YaD7kzIQUUz9QvkN+2cACijQa1Bt3JFfzYgMERpwcg jdxJ0DDuAre+AbLm3qn9DO1CNjdfIjGmTVP8MKEFfaKP3Z1qT5E+9qx1/XbHknUnQT /cgM+pcCHVTd3aj2i5toxdymz4WNw9+rLTHgpdigAVr9OugE0puEhx20gv3SVsDk8g WiuD92Lj85kpKu7u5RqlL+MeruVJnPCkucbi5L6pJJErWICfQXVTxFFfRTvzpuJ0lO Az8+PMsAs8XPg== To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches In-Reply-To: <877dy5tcs4.fsf@stefankangas.se> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 13:20:46 -0300 Message-ID: <878sgyx2xt.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39359@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Em [2020-04-24 sex 12:10:19+0200], Stefan Kangas escreveu: > Could you please send a new patch including these changes? I had a > look at your first message but found it hard to ascertain what it is > exactly that you're proposing. I did not understand what is difficult to understand about my first message. It has five patches, each surrounded by the output of ~message-mark-inserted-region~ and preceded by a tentative commit message. I also did not understand what you asked above. Maybe my English comprehension has failed me (I am Brazilian). Anyway, here is the revised first patch, preceded by a tentative commit message -- is this what you asked for?: TUTORIAL: "buffer" vs "file" consistency; capitalize Dired - For consistency with C-x C-f ("Find file") and C-x C-s ("Save file"), refer to C-x s as "Save some files". - Capitalize "Dired". --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- diff --git a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL index eb3acde9c0..4465e32e81 100644 --- a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL +++ b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL @@ -612,11 +612,11 @@ but it also means that you need a convenient way to save the first file's buffer. Having to switch back to that buffer, in order to save it with C-x C-s, would be a nuisance. So we have - C-x s Save some buffers + C-x s Save some files -C-x s asks you about each buffer which contains changes that you have -not saved. It asks you, for each such buffer, whether to save the -buffer. +C-x s asks you about each file-visiting buffer which contains changes +that you have not saved. It asks you, for each such buffer, whether +to save the buffer. >> Insert a line of text, then type C-x s. It should ask you whether to save the buffer named TUTORIAL. @@ -661,7 +661,7 @@ There are many C-x commands. Here is a list of the ones you have learned: C-x C-f Find file C-x C-s Save file - C-x s Save some buffers + C-x s Save some files C-x C-b List buffers C-x b Switch buffer C-x C-c Quit Emacs @@ -1081,7 +1081,7 @@ corresponding command names (such as C-x C-f beside find-file). You can learn more about Emacs by reading its manual, either as a printed book, or inside Emacs (use the Help menu or type C-h r). Two features that you may like especially are completion, which saves -typing, and dired, which simplifies file handling. +typing, and Dired, which simplifies file handling. Completion is a way to avoid unnecessary typing. For instance, if you want to switch to the *Messages* buffer, you can type C-x b *M --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Best regards, Jorge -- - - I am Brazilian. I hope my English is correct and I welcome feedback. - - From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 07 12:41:05 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jun 2020 16:41:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54793 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhyM5-0002n0-KZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 12:41:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36890) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhyM2-0002mF-GW for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 12:41:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54705) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhyLx-00060h-1p; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 12:40:57 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3882 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jhyLw-0005aa-IY; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 12:40:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 19:40:50 +0300 Message-Id: <83tuzm7rsd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Jorge P. de Morais Neto In-Reply-To: <878sgyx2xt.fsf@disroot.org> (message from Jorge P. de Morais Neto on Sun, 07 Jun 2020 13:20:46 -0300) Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches References: <878sgyx2xt.fsf@disroot.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: 39359@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) > From: Jorge P. de Morais Neto > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 39359@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 13:20:46 -0300 > > - For consistency with C-x C-f ("Find file") and C-x C-s ("Save file"), > refer to C-x s as "Save some files". But that is inaccurate: "C-x C-f" indeed reads a file into a buffer, but "C-x C-f" saves the _buffer_ into its file. "Save file" is not what "C-x C-s" does, since the file is not saved anywhere. How about saying "Save some buffers to their files" instead? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 07 14:01:57 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jun 2020 18:01:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54831 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhzcK-0004iJ-Sn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:01:57 -0400 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:35560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhzcI-0004i8-Gd for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:01:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDE555EA6; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 20:01:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2uLlrcBYqtT5; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 20:01:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Jorge P. de Morais Neto DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1591552910; bh=dF2KCcBCv/NaRuzxKD0f67UEkAVplkkPzJj6H1vWSFk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=DaaKO/F0tqlH3WfaljDgec2cmYpTKUOYKuRuWYtQDUnN+WOkshDrO2Pt6zKP8Efei Z1+GmUHQUtEHmXSmffENdSL4e48Yqya5pylZ41pljy6osqg+cLaN68lePJ4PfFS89r XuGTprHResTd4xV2vWx1sBIyRuxqwOhCgr9dZgORmFv1La1gKNaM9eGtauTQWj64// gzGHnITfHNMZ90Mor/MR1urKB6kE78TGyFVcWuAmpByE7O7FBzw4R5M2zMdg0XOrwJ pLDkdTAyOwQB+fDxicaCBhcXeRBLhip+fNp82Lann+AltppRTAxtR9qFUvSlrcAzcb FBH1rY97PYN+w== To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches In-Reply-To: <83tuzm7rsd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878sgyx2xt.fsf@disroot.org> <83tuzm7rsd.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 15:01:29 -0300 Message-ID: <874krmwy9y.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: 39359@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Em [2020-06-07 dom 19:40:50+0300], Eli Zaretskii escreveu: >> - For consistency with C-x C-f ("Find file") and C-x C-s ("Save file"), >> refer to C-x s as "Save some files". > > But that is inaccurate: "C-x C-f" indeed reads a file into a buffer, > but "C-x C-f" saves the _buffer_ into its file. "Save file" is not > what "C-x C-s" does, since the file is not saved anywhere. > > How about saying "Save some buffers to their files" instead? You mean like this? --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- diff --git a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL index eb3acde9c0..227c13f3e3 100644 --- a/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL +++ b/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL @@ -612,11 +612,11 @@ but it also means that you need a convenient way to save the first file's buffer. Having to switch back to that buffer, in order to save it with C-x C-s, would be a nuisance. So we have - C-x s Save some buffers + C-x s Save some buffers to their files -C-x s asks you about each buffer which contains changes that you have -not saved. It asks you, for each such buffer, whether to save the -buffer. +C-x s asks you about each file-visiting buffer which contains changes +that you have not saved. It asks you, for each such buffer, whether +to save the buffer to its file. >> Insert a line of text, then type C-x s. It should ask you whether to save the buffer named TUTORIAL. @@ -660,8 +660,8 @@ as by a mail handling utility. There are many C-x commands. Here is a list of the ones you have learned: C-x C-f Find file - C-x C-s Save file - C-x s Save some buffers + C-x C-s Save buffer to file + C-x s Save some buffers to their files C-x C-b List buffers C-x b Switch buffer C-x C-c Quit Emacs @@ -1081,7 +1081,7 @@ corresponding command names (such as C-x C-f beside find-file). You can learn more about Emacs by reading its manual, either as a printed book, or inside Emacs (use the Help menu or type C-h r). Two features that you may like especially are completion, which saves -typing, and dired, which simplifies file handling. +typing, and Dired, which simplifies file handling. Completion is a way to avoid unnecessary typing. For instance, if you want to switch to the *Messages* buffer, you can type C-x b *M --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Best regards, Jorge -- - - I am Brazilian. I hope my English is correct and I welcome feedback. - Free Software Supporter: - If an email of mine arrives at your spam box, please notify me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 07 14:06:34 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jun 2020 18:06:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhzgo-0004pR-Gi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:06:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43190) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhzgm-0004pC-7D for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:06:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55862) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhzgg-0004WJ-Rc; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:06:26 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1158 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jhzgf-0007GY-VE; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:06:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 21:06:21 +0300 Message-Id: <83sgf67ntu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Jorge P. de Morais Neto In-Reply-To: <874krmwy9y.fsf@disroot.org> (message from Jorge P. de Morais Neto on Sun, 07 Jun 2020 15:01:29 -0300) Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches References: <878sgyx2xt.fsf@disroot.org> <83tuzm7rsd.fsf@gnu.org> <874krmwy9y.fsf@disroot.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: 39359@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) > From: Jorge P. de Morais Neto > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 39359@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 15:01:29 -0300 > > > But that is inaccurate: "C-x C-f" indeed reads a file into a buffer, > > but "C-x C-f" saves the _buffer_ into its file. "Save file" is not > > what "C-x C-s" does, since the file is not saved anywhere. > > > > How about saying "Save some buffers to their files" instead? > > You mean like this? Yes, thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 07 14:24:55 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jun 2020 18:24:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54861 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhzyZ-0005IX-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:24:55 -0400 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:51172) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jhzyX-0005IL-6v for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 14:24:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA21655E16; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 20:24:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZxeRW1R7GHzH; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 20:24:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Jorge P. de Morais Neto DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1591554289; bh=HuUzK4yZWWmz5a9yn6p3wZWJbG7Czn6W7JHj/YkiuSY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=BfDOrybYCeoakwmeJ8aDYPgxQtrOCUJXmXMfFU653PXjGDLT4O/g9lRH75U0BadNF ZRWv5VDp3Lf7ZHkJwuMcj+2c8BtVgQSQ78kWLiKCqLbLT/kPGJSGtSRa5+xEb94xii 3vqOUNO5j/8XO+19pEHtM7mWaeT2l5ydwxtfjb9pTgQAVFEDhlxIy0dx3VJ9ais5r4 Kod0i0GZIzUeNjVzzGfPGNIRVoqQkSWEMcW99f0tOfgNEkWINNMKblkVm7Kh4chDqV 9NljRXtrHGF0kdAUxU9ggJwoX5ghyhz0yAv9y8ssq1BE92jKLZCslyhz0kcQMkIBfZ 7CuFzXmtRR8NA== To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches In-Reply-To: <83sgf67ntu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878sgyx2xt.fsf@disroot.org> <83tuzm7rsd.fsf@gnu.org> <874krmwy9y.fsf@disroot.org> <83sgf67ntu.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 15:24:21 -0300 Message-ID: <871rmqwx7u.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: 39359@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Em [2020-06-07 dom 21:06:21+0300], Eli Zaretskii escreveu: > Yes, thanks. Then you can apply that instead of the first patch of my original email. I suggest the following commit message: TUTORIAL: "buffer" vs "file" consistency; capitalize Dired - For consistency with C-x s ("save some buffers") and for accuracy, describe C-x C-s as "Save buffer to file"), and then C-x s as "Save some buffers to their files" - Capitalize "Dired". Regards -- - - I am Brazilian. I hope my English is correct and I welcome feedback. - Free Software Supporter: - If an email of mine arrives at your spam box, please notify me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 09 07:47:43 2020 Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2020 11:47:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60151 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k4jnj-0005kw-Fh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2020 07:47:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35086) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k4jni-0005hE-3u for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2020 07:47:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2XL41nWf+CXJ7O5q70W+TnQunLaOOS5/HiqRrTzNP6w=; b=uuSDxyydkefPXFntXe9e+XrQ6N iNXdZXx0f80MpohNx5HdcJFKQXGbo4pQOTSSI9UTyW61NYI/LyrGkXr+agtvlF8k6s8snp7CA4w+6 ROaEeGAKEOEiNXHEkAUYn1qmJ/ANxKj7jIFijSdry4/N5jVeFjnePBNTn9pcL+kVskjE=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k4jnX-0001Op-LI; Sun, 09 Aug 2020 13:47:35 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Jorge P. de Morais Neto Subject: Re: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches References: <878sgyx2xt.fsf@disroot.org> <83tuzm7rsd.fsf@gnu.org> <874krmwy9y.fsf@disroot.org> <83sgf67ntu.fsf@gnu.org> <871rmqwx7u.fsf@disroot.org> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2020 13:47:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871rmqwx7u.fsf@disroot.org> (Jorge P. de Morais Neto's message of "Sun, 07 Jun 2020 15:24:21 -0300") Message-ID: <87h7tct50t.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Jorge P. de Morais Neto writes: > Then you can apply that instead of the first patch of my original > email. I suggest the following commit message: > > TUTORIAL: "buffer" vs "file" consistency; capitalize Dired > > - For consistenc [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39359 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stefan@marxist.se, 39359@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jorge P. de Morais Neto writes: > Then you can apply that instead of the first patch of my original > email. I suggest the following commit message: > > TUTORIAL: "buffer" vs "file" consistency; capitalize Dired > > - For consistency with C-x s ("save some buffers") and for accuracy, > describe C-x C-s as "Save buffer to file"), and then C-x s as "Save > some buffers to their files" > - Capitalize "Dired". Thanks for the patch; I've applied it to Emacs 28.1. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 09 07:47:48 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2020 11:47:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k4jnn-0005pF-QL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2020 07:47:48 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k4jnm-0005jo-L9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2020 07:47:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=IafjQmwHzJGFk08go5ypi+xzK5qMpITT3CDSK+UCcKA=; b=cPyHeYri0lmj4cS3RSmdJDqxFO Sr3e/an0i20YtYwvbYrD9KupfRWENXEO+tsdc5zVehoHU4P1kn6GflWbQKFAFW0whiJy3fXiCH8hI /uBbbYEALpqspXDFKQvK9HOrEoQnhrVP871epu7JVg9Jc5MJOVQ7CXVw90Ays9HmRllU=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k4jne-0001Ow-U3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2020 13:47:41 +0200 Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2020 13:47:37 +0200 Message-Id: <87ft8wt50m.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #39359 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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