From unknown Sat Aug 09 05:05:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#39175: git interface from savannah and using mail seems to slows down workflow Resent-From: Jens Korte Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnuzilla@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:45:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 39175 X-GNU-PR-Package: gnuzilla X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 39175@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnuzilla@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.157936589930081 (code B ref -1); Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:45:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2020 16:44:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42098 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isrDW-0007p0-FI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:44:59 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36473) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1islpq-00018i-RF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 06:00:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53594) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1islpp-0004fe-Df for bug-gnuzilla@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 06:00:10 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1islpl-0000wn-Mv for bug-gnuzilla@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 06:00:09 -0500 Received: from mout-p-102.mailbox.org ([80.241.56.152]:62776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1islpl-0000vX-6S for bug-gnuzilla@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 06:00:05 -0500 Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org (smtp1.mailbox.org [80.241.60.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-102.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 480FM66MlfzKmVl for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:00:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mailbox.org; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:mime-version :message-id:subject:subject:from:from:date:date:received; s= mail20150812; t=1579345200; bh=aB0Mz6nXNvuUTd6kuDcIYx5JIyGzvdWD4 RIDsY84SGw=; b=keQYTsFkXEmRkgTVGFuEM8PGyaAGBAJ6jGU7kqOJgax1FRPyx 8T8VuMGZZQFlPNYw3lx303GXQ9+YsDm+3lD7wBedOstX6imYOigiYzBBNLhFEbYR tOXPYKHrm+XvbMvnVFhB7pg9dAD98A5RSSm8MQsaYtEOggxPOe00b/JNF8NEzhJB NnvtcYGln8N2zeXto65vEx/urCWQczpVJWifoGEJHg9Epec4+4/nZ3gHIQYzBiz4 BX9EpvsPRta7YT6g/EMmaDc5h5IDbe3F9xDB7iyHHkyGu+qp2gIInBKDp7nAsemm dVgjEfANQbNgxg7UfVvhCVSWmkt3nTDEb73/Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailbox.org; s=mail20150812; t=1579345201; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aB0Mz6nXNvuUTd6kuDcIYx5JIyGzvdWD4RIDsY84SGw=; b=J66o64ldx0AmBUUuIOu31T3sToFGCT18lclGmd8vXIqGwlcsLRnGsZpvX+BIcZPjD2rFQ4 xFy0BJ4iwEVZV3cLFjai+8VcUoJGvCqm8XsxcKh56CXMsleSRoCY8Z95K18LEhwr4pcB2G yxy8EQc6eEU2vmtEGnj15D40EbJsluv1dOIhxu2+yzkx4OyK9Qdg3xVZS89BDqMSBO1hbO KW/wkfoxVKdUxRBU4nJC4MC3BvzKc0Nihse2v6Hh0Z3NlXRCbfh1kUKcIATuQTCRcj/CvA zxL/VflZ/UjgMK0WSDPhFY8ucozhrGXF+1sFunsGEdEQkwu4O4sQEo5pi8JVwA== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.240]) by spamfilter06.heinlein-hosting.de (spamfilter06.heinlein-hosting.de [80.241.56.125]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 4o0R95PJEygN for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:00:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:59:47 +0100 From: Jens Korte Message-ID: <20200118115947.0cbac8c7@devuan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 80.241.56.152 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:44:56 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hi Everything I express here is imho! I prefer interfaces like gitlab/github have. Sometimes I just use the webinterface without git cloneing it home to change a typo or add a line. This doesn't work here, afaik. Here I have to write a mail for a bug. Yes it works, yes it is easy to understand but imho it is not so intuionally like a webinterface. 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:21:49 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|bill-auger@peers.community X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Well-Made-Desert: 2a982b2577ac99d7_1579378909017_2596935142 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1579378909017:4009796034 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1579378909016 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9E57F5AB for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:21:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=peers.community; h=date :from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=peers.community; bh=j jU6bThIJTiG/7LDsC6j01AEH00=; b=qwYugz3ecPAsWr5KyAhHqPqkQTFL5QjWg FvaMsZ+rlyhYyYXR6ntZGGueOVJObSewHZTfKQETDgEeRCMyAw+t8t88kJSA3/Oj AsASMeZm0ZXMoC9h2g2nAdIAY1KPEcRJSaBSYWVoUoyldsRBGs0s2BV5KOZ0VTy3 Q8awUqYZfs= Received: from parabola (75-138-186-142.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com [75.138.186.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bill-auger@peers.community) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E78A97F5B9 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:21:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:18:14 -0500 X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a91 From: bill-auger Message-ID: <20200118151814.10faf2ac@parabola> In-Reply-To: <20200118115947.0cbac8c7@devuan> References: <20200118115947.0cbac8c7@devuan> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddtgddufeehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkjghfofggtgfgsehtjeertdertddvnecuhfhrohhmpegsihhllhdqrghughgvrhcuoegsihhllhdqrghughgvrhesphgvvghrshdrtghomhhmuhhnihhthieqnecukfhppeejhedrudefkedrudekiedrudegvdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepphgrrhgrsgholhgrpdhinhgvthepjeehrddufeekrddukeeirddugedvpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpegsihhllhdqrghughgvrhcuoegsihhllhdqrghughgvrhesphgvvghrshdrtghomhhmuhhnihhthieqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepsghilhhlqdgruhhgvghrsehpvggvrhhsrdgtohhmmhhunhhithihpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegsuhhgqdhgnhhuiihilhhlrgesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 23.83.209.45 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:59:47 +0100 Jens wrote: > Here I have to write a mail for a bug. hi jens - FWIW, other people would be inclined say "on github, i have to use a web browser and a mouse - most of those projects do not allow me interact via email - and i can not sign my work or messages using that interface" - workflows are just a matter of preference - many people greatly prefer a fully keyboard-driven workflow, and find email to be much more convenient also, the savannah project has a bug tracker and a patch submission interface - you could use those instead of email - it is really not so different from github as a final note, the FSF tech team is currently considering to replace or supplement savannah with pagure; which has a more mouse-centric interface, that would probably be more familiar: online editing, pull requests, all that snazzy jazz, that people have come to expect in recent years