From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 07 21:47:49 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2020 02:47:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49647 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ip1Ns-0006c8-EI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:47:49 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:47824) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ip1No-0006bz-Tu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:47:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49850) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ip1Nk-0003hx-6O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:47:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPOOFED_FREEMAIL,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ip1Nf-0000b2-Kd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:47:40 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:54043) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ip1Nf-0000Yk-21 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:47:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1578451652; bh=M4P5G9tivzbxn2N1HpZ/kC8gaMoAYxgEpnZSxVMhzUY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:Date; b=Ws5z7htizc25I/pcSSUwQ19/rBdFDTjjOBddooQeFyJLR8w0BzUTut1iubdUdRuSk REbqQvybRqemZETsU9fYAZ5ZJe7WD94UhNGUaMnm5lAGPpgMEcFwz0VOMqDkT6zKPA djTViWruqVEJRgmn7iYC3HQFr4dC5wcqRDjXEj5Y= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from dellcorei5dias ([46.176.253.164]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MMGRA-1j60Gb379K-00JIc6 for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 03:47:32 +0100 From: Deus Max To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 04:47:25 +0200 Message-ID: <871rsaoe9u.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:vBxO3Sk5d9ov9d6D1kgQTGHNzX5PWtf2juNMuYptNUKo8ajogTL BxFTGhT9Nscn2+vLCTSqhYSa3tQfU91U8Kki+0u0VZV5/GcyQpm+SD+H9r+ithFbVVf7w9m T6Uq57K6z/MYK46C8YivQ4D/7FUNju4Hcx2slmXCliVpZzFEJsIs9yIkxV2Xr9+XI6VQ067 haTGspGGGejrp6K+bPUMw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:swlQIqL9q/U=:jDoaOqY+N5A+crBF4Fcg/x t5Jb8FyKEfg/6WhT1YdvtMr0+N2ptNy6EiNEK8EF1JihqzVSxs5AzJFnx/1vAg7j20B3CJi/m PGlOheddwrua9d/KiLHO7tqEZpXwF44aey5hdR3dZ0RM5XFYSk8YDV41KLHwWTPSUhTGc59yB TzSxGJb+tDvcc/WGB7WdSNSli9cnaoDEWHQhyt3XIS1OideMTBAdZpxNcTMUiaCKvMYEmvQCb xRlrLvurN/33dE8ZmLQnoRI+daLxKCTpmGYP3TFlYd0Il1m9lt/o/I44EotLtxp61GY8y8dt6 rRnbi8uB8K3s+c5D0wXQtsMTMw+3/O7b/k91VGnx75fOWIJb4tcGP2bn/aNapairsZaUe1vAw d++Ek/pAi4+gsSuU4YbGuBMQY+aN0dj2D9boLRnuckOa99X5N6U8Em2MpKgi5mTZUzAIbg1ev Ga0h17Et+ppldJ2TNxYMPvTTtDUaJFGoFBvpzfGluoobxKGJO4JmbdiCKshfTZmTQuzMl0mSi dgbKHIAlaN5q9a4QFvdGlOPO/pODLVJdjspcUK9TP1D92kiBS8G4xI5xNOgQMQ8nxlyt5+XES /BCaGA+ogGSJHZyG4rJGyYpcHr/uX7TObUCtdAXv8024cci+4FhHETxOnCOAGdvF8xC12u0w0 jvxE3XnI0/HKZRTIFq5T6Y4JPJMfiy/1oVHAQdg39KMJdcHeTQVxYbzk5X2slxS+rHBY1Cqf3 D6UB2SEckHEqyXlYIDBdJ4+Weo034lMpNBDIve89BCzqiEjqtRBqHKPujngFuCoxujS4ICh28 Pi4kgPC6ZtKhc+VbfNTsfQG4QQDTdTbboTHRNiH0cGRFCtbNJ0RTBpV3+w9ia91HXutaFj1Zl p5/2fbmUXL1lamfND0uwt3jH+zWa76UAaokw6VrEhW+GIyArof3vL3WrsukgOEMUHcX6ss3kT 8j+5wIFcX0O8VZfGXT0rdgB4NLBLOG9XQkG9IPNNGagx5dbuA4ReVHGyyr6heVp78i5HTH95P mjVK43JYho+4pLAj1Y48+3tf9V3d3zUGLWa7htZQzD0ph0K+JB/AY27ZGcvyXJTo9Z9U+J8pO ogbg1Z7XQqfXY4mPrzW4e8cpBIkiCffJtd0+hiIocY9mRb0793ZEc1rvdDUTa71LgDz+ug1D+ VZBFY0RquMtzGvC3UVBALuNmUav049vqkaeL/f/xlHFQtuFUIcCS/9DVoXJnagt+Z44bwk2Zx Ee+EmQboxARq/12c6U2ggYxzWaaSExbx/sOpx7lnaT/PrNVOsKbdP3gpRnrA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.18 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Before starting gnus, running: (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) ; ex: "nnimap+myserver:GroupName" Gives the error: ** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: hash-table-p, nil Tracking this down the path: - (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) - (gnus-group-name-charset nil group-name) - (gnus-find-method-for-group group-name) - (gnus-group-entry group-name) The tiny macro gnus-group-entry, simply does a: (gethash group-name gnus-newsrc-hashtb) The variable gnus-newsrc-hashtb is not a hashtable when gnus is not running. Logical, it has not been assinged yet. To me, it seems unnecessary to require a running gnus for a simple group name decoding. It is overkill, that loses a lot of offline functinality and possibilities. I believe, the problem is focused in the call to gnus-group-entry (in gnus-find-method-for-group), as this is done to check if it is a "Killed or otherwise unknown group" (as per source comments). I think that is irrelevant, for a function that started just to decode a group name. If this call to gnus-group-entry is removed, things work fine for both offline and online gnus. ...and I think that would be a small improvement! 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1000 113)) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 08 14:09:32 2020 Received: (at 39026) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2020 19:09:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51329 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ipGhv-0006rP-Px for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 14:09:32 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:45930 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ipGht-0006rA-Aj for 39026@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 14:09:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4AFD1FA080; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:09:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Deus Max Subject: Re: bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus References: <871rsaoe9u.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:09:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: <871rsaoe9u.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> (Deus Max's message of "Wed, 08 Jan 2020 04:47:25 +0200") Message-ID: <87woa1bw9q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39026 Cc: 39026@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Deus Max writes: > Before starting gnus, running: > (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) ; ex: "nnimap+myserver:GroupName" > > Gives the error: > ** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: hash-table-p, nil > > Tracking this down the path: > - (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) > - (gnus-group-name-charset nil group-name) > - (gnus-find-method-for-group group-name) > - (gnus-group-entry group-name) > > The tiny macro gnus-group-entry, simply does a: > (gethash group-name gnus-newsrc-hashtb) > > The variable gnus-newsrc-hashtb is not a hashtable when gnus is not > running. Logical, it has not been assinged yet. > > To me, it seems unnecessary to require a running gnus for a simple group > name decoding. It is overkill, that loses a lot of offline functinality > and possibilities. In theory, the only way we can know how to decode a group name for sure is by asking its method for the appropriate charset to use, and we can only reasonably do that if Gnus is loaded. In practice, the same changes that put in the hash table also resulted in Gnus group names being always decoded, at least within a running Gnus system, so the call to `gnus-group-decoded-name' is usually unnecessary (the only time the server/method charset comes into play is when we're requesting the group names from the server). Of course if you're trying to do things with groups outside of a running Gnus system, you might be manually reading the group names from the.newsrc.eld file, in which case non-ASCII group names will be in an encoded format, using 'utf-8-emacs. What I'm saying is, depending on how you're using the group names and where you're getting them from, you should be safe simply running them through a 'utf-8-emacs decode. Eric From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 09 08:22:42 2020 Received: (at 39026) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2020 13:22:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51946 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ipXlq-00051c-Ai for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 08:22:42 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:49509) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ipXln-00051H-MT for 39026@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 08:22:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1578576144; bh=1thjdJGnT8bg0lcQG8WgyQ6C4hVQw5019lez7WB99cQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=P7IPIb4aYiw5gp63y5J4ClImx0mHxVLGWz1sp495O1+gvX86XxNGeC7WlXScVpuLB iLaOE3M1UtmHLBtGY36hzIUWqh7U09TaHxmjH8aqWepHOz2ma4hsfH2QY+Q3uE2G4a eNiACLmQbsKvVJ8MHnIZkOcGqKFqcglo96STj1o4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from dellcorei5dias ([46.176.253.164]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M72oB-1ilQtk3E47-008e81; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 14:22:24 +0100 From: Deus Max To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus References: <871rsaoe9u.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> <87woa1bw9q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:22:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87woa1bw9q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:09:21 -0800") Message-ID: <87muaw229i.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:mCjDCefxBkUelTCnYFC06GnbIDkDRFNpUqwSDI/5Y9nXAVhGuZs mRUo2uul+Y4Rt158Dx+1tJwdxTBNdflGkUYwXcR4O23vcWVXTY14pAHfa8uS+j1TXXOKgmS fmlmptlclwtyvu5S2uu67HbigWGL8ziZ/m6KN6TcIc8gGlQ4aWOf6drhiiLXIe8IocDsw1G biL0sMOmpWEu+gcfgNM1A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:o/RZ6iT21xI=:IMj54D2ykUHg+RldhqQa4J kHb/FjLhrxM83gR/McfgQiTcWbbckFei2H9R16Kqmpvmh0skatYRB7TcLrrF6Gf3CStCvoS9p u4Fo2emU0e1knMAUuPZn7RyL67Zi9drrJR6v68WjF9MpRm45TNuQdvcBTQB323XtibOX2BUeq HPcA52eqxJ2uO9u9XCSqRqiZbgfukovQ9bjYnMKo66ZzEc5EKaczJEN7mCnl1h1Y9Iz6zBcTa uHNLsZN0DPKeZ9asQIueKCl7njVkcmNR9LVmcZtI2gkQvRzaeEAH96FimIZENX/czfxiYnJi2 l/qHe7SaQp/4ct3eAUyPT0oPMR85Zw0hKvrjTwcz6BbQ/HOIVdST/epD/1FLby/v3dcfa1vad ACDccWoRIkYv2WzQJHz4A7+npXoqmvJgfLQ9LLLLc1iV2NrTMcgTNubuCf3QOSLNS0nCQtihH GoyRlAK3594S9Cn4QBwjcARmQMWJ8troocEjXjqa4zYzbtNHEeSrZJFRfKAq/jNUH4hg2gaqN 4VxVknK7AhIsCBOznStRQsrCYQ44FoR44TjLYGMBZvcCdvh4lzWT15Fe0KShfivIv4DGhcYeT LG9qWgK+4Nd4D2FLx1DCA7pgcwkfGLCF2qVS4r88/19VdO3Ic15R8+lec0KWy/w+oBzcKdiqp AWq2MCvlKWBQEcRrHrA0gtxSufY6rsw/O4e2YHjJqTiFqiIZ0XudaSTm+ELhKRwZHMhiLZWAn rdM09IzOObAytzeCQEJ85+06Gx+OgxkwpoPtjUgDPyC6mJEwoO8AdC22VvFmoSk4EMfqi7n9p 9QwXXaO8UYwwUAkxpHvlbZWYweioHhgtOaPiPHVc0tCySNZvgoBqcTCcNKcaozXwvhVZhYy6v zIIALJQn/9H2tnXcbOnX7qKzkOAXZw/dSWFNXwTGqK/dWn+pD7acx45wqc4YiRKu4prV4p/Eb QV32HBTrtucsvAfEqI/oNHXrsHga3bnbMNMWicWTZ9jGWNNJ5OhWnfEnYXGIK8Nt8o0ZVOE3S H3bZ+iZQmp+50PY9BV0OdHIgaZYZ+CsA6Ev9UKXwuHFOauE07B5xtW4X5yYbp/p+beDoRMlhB OgiLxWpvBg7VqH3gjYerF+I/gjIRFsPZFD7G3CYTixRI2T9BcEQFYCvYlV40UCC/fiGN0SDO1 C75u2IlhGMjsqlQTDzP4c7kyh4U109dwWF9EpOCx+wJ/Q4ZGCz07wqktWJmMiP8BQl8hp+pl2 G4W8A2GTcpZhxaF7NUJauKNdqifBIb0EAwkFETcGmlOy6Uolwz4VeWJD9I98= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39026 Cc: 39026@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Wed, Jan 08 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Deus Max writes: > >> Before starting gnus, running: >> (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) ; ex: "nnimap+myserver:GroupName" >> >> Gives the error: >> ** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: hash-table-p, nil >> >> Tracking this down the path: >> - (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) >> - (gnus-group-name-charset nil group-name) >> - (gnus-find-method-for-group group-name) >> - (gnus-group-entry group-name) >> >> The tiny macro gnus-group-entry, simply does a: >> (gethash group-name gnus-newsrc-hashtb) >> >> The variable gnus-newsrc-hashtb is not a hashtable when gnus is not >> running. Logical, it has not been assinged yet. >> >> To me, it seems unnecessary to require a running gnus for a simple group >> name decoding. It is overkill, that loses a lot of offline functinality >> and possibilities. > > In theory, the only way we can know how to decode a group name for sure > is by asking its method for the appropriate charset to use, and we can > only reasonably do that if Gnus is loaded. > > In practice, the same changes that put in the hash table also resulted > in Gnus group names being always decoded, at least within a running Gnus > system, so the call to `gnus-group-decoded-name' is usually unnecessary > (the only time the server/method charset comes into play is when we're > requesting the group names from the server). > > Of course if you're trying to do things with groups outside of a running > Gnus system, you might be manually reading the group names from > the.newsrc.eld file, in which case non-ASCII group names will be in an > encoded format, using 'utf-8-emacs. > > What I'm saying is, depending on how you're using the group names and > where you're getting them from, you should be safe simply running them > through a 'utf-8-emacs decode. > > Eric Yes, that's mostly how I'm using it, i.e. by reading group names from .newsrc, but sometimes directly from a gnus group or article. So, it would be nice to do some things independent of a running gnus and in a consistent way. I didn't see any charset info returned by querying the server (with gnus-find-method-for-group, gnus-group-entry). Logically, the method should be provided in the group name, except for the primary method (gnus-select-method, perhaps another good reason to get rid of this distinction among groups, but I digress, sorry). It seems that all the real work (in gnus-group-name-charset), for finding the charset, comes from the variables gnus-group-name-charset-group-alist and gnus-group-name-charset-method-alist which are defined at startup and don't need a running gnus. DeusM From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 13 13:51:56 2020 Received: (at 39026) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2020 18:51:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60062 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ir4oe-0006Rc-2T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:51:56 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:60792 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ir4ob-0006RP-Cb for 39026@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:51:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 659E7FA00A; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:51:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Deus Max Subject: Re: bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus References: <871rsaoe9u.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> <87woa1bw9q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87muaw229i.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 10:51:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87muaw229i.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> (Deus Max's message of "Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:22:17 +0200") Message-ID: <87zhermbp9.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39026 Cc: 39026@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 01/09/20 15:22 PM, Deus Max wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> Deus Max writes: >> >>> Before starting gnus, running: >>> (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) ; ex: "nnimap+myserver:GroupName" >>> >>> Gives the error: >>> ** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: hash-table-p, nil >>> >>> Tracking this down the path: >>> - (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) >>> - (gnus-group-name-charset nil group-name) >>> - (gnus-find-method-for-group group-name) >>> - (gnus-group-entry group-name) >>> >>> The tiny macro gnus-group-entry, simply does a: >>> (gethash group-name gnus-newsrc-hashtb) >>> >>> The variable gnus-newsrc-hashtb is not a hashtable when gnus is not >>> running. Logical, it has not been assinged yet. >>> >>> To me, it seems unnecessary to require a running gnus for a simple group >>> name decoding. It is overkill, that loses a lot of offline functinality >>> and possibilities. >> >> In theory, the only way we can know how to decode a group name for sure >> is by asking its method for the appropriate charset to use, and we can >> only reasonably do that if Gnus is loaded. >> >> In practice, the same changes that put in the hash table also resulted >> in Gnus group names being always decoded, at least within a running Gnus >> system, so the call to `gnus-group-decoded-name' is usually unnecessary >> (the only time the server/method charset comes into play is when we're >> requesting the group names from the server). >> >> Of course if you're trying to do things with groups outside of a running >> Gnus system, you might be manually reading the group names from >> the.newsrc.eld file, in which case non-ASCII group names will be in an >> encoded format, using 'utf-8-emacs. >> >> What I'm saying is, depending on how you're using the group names and >> where you're getting them from, you should be safe simply running them >> through a 'utf-8-emacs decode. >> >> Eric > > Yes, that's mostly how I'm using it, i.e. by reading group names from > .newsrc, but sometimes directly from a gnus group or article. So, it > would be nice to do some things independent of a running gnus and in a > consistent way. > > I didn't see any charset info returned by querying the server > (with gnus-find-method-for-group, gnus-group-entry). Logically, the > method should be provided in the group name, except for the primary > method (gnus-select-method, perhaps another good reason to get rid of > this distinction among groups, but I digress, sorry). > > It seems that all the real work (in gnus-group-name-charset), for finding > the charset, comes from the variables gnus-group-name-charset-group-alist > and gnus-group-name-charset-method-alist which are defined at startup > and don't need a running gnus. Yeah, to be honest, I don't really know the point of the gnus-group-name-charset-* stuff, and am mostly unwilling to mess with anything I don't really understand. But if those variables have been set, we'd need to know a group's method, and it really isn't possible to get a group's method for sure unless Gnus is up and running. In fact, I suspect we could simply dump all the group-name-charset/group decoding stuff, stop encoding/decoding altogether, but I don't know how I would prove that wouldn't cause problems. Can you just not use gnus-group-decoded-name? As I mentioned, decoding as 'utf-8-emacs should work fine. Eric From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 13 16:02:08 2020 Received: (at 39026) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2020 21:02:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60194 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ir6qd-0001XL-Ow for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:02:07 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:55425) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ir6m8-0001OF-M7 for 39026@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:02:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1578949033; bh=lnFTc+1hzmgzWOUtG8Yt2b7f2xoj55xicvnfri6N6Ck=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Z7MSmXLEGfpcZ9qXGOYHIZYk+mS3AVqeMvNCvXGQr0r9xeKeDKmVBkO2x7O76ZMRE vh5v5b4FgldQpsYiJwyKF0WMCkSu2cNW/7hEY/CCEnZX6yYBpJURO8Vo5qGNXw0vRy Cz6NCD+EBvf+5paAf1BLg+zv40qQ7LqXvvJwRodU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from dellcorei5dias ([46.176.253.164]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mf078-1jK5w235yM-00gZNS; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:57:13 +0100 From: Deus Max To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus References: <871rsaoe9u.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> <87woa1bw9q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:57:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87woa1bw9q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:09:21 -0800") Message-ID: <874kwz6pnh.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:bxwo9uOG/ax8GCKLtOM9zCliJtnc48GBqofA2CDftgk9uF1Ezjl 0m7oe1+5qsfMKPqH1SkgPqp4ZDnZ8T2dG1aEfVWCZwAWk2zDZGLA5jkBh/WJKJp8fm7Ho0/ Ex4ed8QiZE+bsjaR8Y+ebWFCQbS4UBfK2mLy6kYPv2gDVyNT5SqVFiLqNIC9Ht3aCU0hAGJ cmZKycxawnvu8qPFilm6g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:HiPNVTn0Kf8=:xGW/oTHf31qLCpU2EnNeGF IwZ8yXjwDnyFM5JKYBAEHaW2EOlqEqNq47M/M7XpFjBUNFa/GuLeIbGFwet0ziT+2XIvPO4wd zsRNpaUsJ27KiNDnxjJrN+ucZ52hMCTAvKMvJdJWJfEkBuPk8DVZ7mhgNoEjhARbEnYJwO/Ny yjRP9j5SMd/9GRRFHUcuB7s74z8/ejz6eIbTa7of/Ffog6Maa8finiFPnflVQPNNOwDA/Vwdw HNKEBcHMKX0BQALjZyC5zxjfM7cGWLEOpgtJRtnN1+8oWDpv7T3Rsoqmla0FU7d1pVTeDr0s3 omMfTvyKQpJwMiV3ZDrYTOt9YbNsR+r72XRsiIHDtZRffXh9FbzgAmiPpqm8dpPGdMSVTYaQz 0flSugAm5d8wzZllitV75+PnVP4keHPMKxwT7q1bqwnxFtfywSvMIKRLfh0MtgkZ+FJsYG3PL tUF+pSebac7pZAhM+I51eb2dZ2hSm4/QF0htO2HerRBFfy8QuG288GP2w+nZsItgUAjxQO56E sVVEhkInMHZ3EhAvhP/gNF2uWqUOIZ0uGYrya/EZ5gOSvlf/urL3QNJHrYx3oD0knWMA5NgmO QMuasWVcXhRkO88twDd2GkKaFsvECtDJIDLFRyW9jB9Hk56NGq376fXwbFWpMGzmpD1YuroVs vJ9Hq9p2oIU/ysILwyXzPc7hC3gnarBV6PIYRuM5Iib3Y/BDJXkHa3qNdrxzxYBJ1C+tFxKJP G2h6v7ZXLMKvj79qOjlKC2FmHK/TZI8pHfLfbSjsZN9Y+B3nnpFlK/phUaAl4JA0IPI0+zEDP /kQ5u2yXqybn0plV5Bba+P9VhUzRxXpV8qDnl3C2rbqcuVmjEEe1jR6RylX4evu0FcUUtlm1r qFNdJF0Eto3O6BN6Rcev5yIGnC3RBm1I82Bd8tHdXk4Go+VPl2yFYLrW7kjdSzLbdJ0WOxHxO fKYL7PKKZWJci2hHdzxZ+vVOQdBpARfJh9vSjjZw8HeuNaskWptbXJUmAsWCWQ0YXK6P9xqsN fFdEICxKPfg5bf15/suKuu8FxeqpiYKsKVsGWHab0Daw7at1h+YK8A1r1ohhDTHrN2DSodL94 M1O5Uu+mYrf/Iza57zF6jN6HKBKNe2eHjuhkASViLrlRjNFDumGKDKTJOI12IrdXTnojf3+Da 5ZCQe1+XNqTFAoMDBLTDRQVr+LxcmMFcM3M9WAXMcUNknBVIr2krpVrauMzICQYl+xWJc0Gf2 ZPI3MMiAhnACxc6Euc+KjUTnUx7B93RHBFn6ZdpwGu8qqTOMEnY82aSrM9vs= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39026 Cc: 39026@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Mon, Jan 13 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > > Yeah, to be honest, I don't really know the point of the > gnus-group-name-charset-* stuff, and am mostly unwilling to mess with > anything I don't really understand. But if those variables have been > set, we'd need to know a group's method, and it really isn't possible to > get a group's method for sure unless Gnus is up and running. > > In fact, I suspect we could simply dump all the group-name-charset/group > decoding stuff, stop encoding/decoding altogether, but I don't know how > I would prove that wouldn't cause problems. > > Can you just not use gnus-group-decoded-name? As I mentioned, decoding > as 'utf-8-emacs should work fine. > > Eric Yes, I agree with you and will take your advice. Thanks for discussing the issue. For my needs, I will just replace gnus-group-name-decode with: #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defun gnus-recent-decode-utf8 (string &optional charset) "Decode a gnus-group name. Replaces `gnus-group-name-decode' for decoding group names. Default utf-8-emacs CHARSET unless provided otherwise." (decode-coding-string string (or charset 'utf-8-emacs) t)) #+end_src I guess you may close the bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 14 17:54:52 2020 Received: (at 39026) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2020 22:54:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33866 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1irV5I-0002q7-5Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:54:52 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:34394 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1irV5G-0002pp-0a; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:54:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5EA09FA080; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 22:54:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Deus Max Subject: Re: bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus References: <871rsaoe9u.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> <87woa1bw9q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874kwz6pnh.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:54:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: <874kwz6pnh.fsf@aia00054aia.gr> (Deus Max's message of "Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:57:06 +0200") Message-ID: <87ftghlkcs.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39026 Cc: 39026-done@debbugs.gnu.org, 39026@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 01/13/20 22:57 PM, Deus Max wrote: > On Mon, Jan 13 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> >> Yeah, to be honest, I don't really know the point of the >> gnus-group-name-charset-* stuff, and am mostly unwilling to mess with >> anything I don't really understand. But if those variables have been >> set, we'd need to know a group's method, and it really isn't possible to >> get a group's method for sure unless Gnus is up and running. >> >> In fact, I suspect we could simply dump all the group-name-charset/group >> decoding stuff, stop encoding/decoding altogether, but I don't know how >> I would prove that wouldn't cause problems. >> >> Can you just not use gnus-group-decoded-name? As I mentioned, decoding >> as 'utf-8-emacs should work fine. >> >> Eric > > Yes, I agree with you and will take your advice. > Thanks for discussing the issue. > > For my needs, I will just replace gnus-group-name-decode with: > > #+begin_src emacs-lisp > (defun gnus-recent-decode-utf8 (string &optional charset) > "Decode a gnus-group name. > Replaces `gnus-group-name-decode' for decoding group names. > Default utf-8-emacs CHARSET unless provided otherwise." > (decode-coding-string string (or charset 'utf-8-emacs) t)) > #+end_src That looks fine to me. Sorry I don't have a more definitive solution for this. > I guess you may close the bug. Done. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:37:24 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator