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Reply-To: bug#38921 <38921@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 07:07:21 +0000 retitle 38921 Descriptions of elisp function 'modify-frame-parameters frame= alist' in the lispref manual. reassign 38921 emacs submitter 38921 Takesi Ayanokoji severity 38921 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 04 11:48:03 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2020 16:48:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43299 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inmao-0006wt-Va for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 11:48:03 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44805) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inman-0006wc-V7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 11:48:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41664) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1inmam-0007AL-NR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 11:48:01 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1inmai-0001vD-2x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 11:48:00 -0500 Received: from mail-lj1-x236.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::236]:35213) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1inmah-0001mT-RI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 11:47:56 -0500 Received: by mail-lj1-x236.google.com with SMTP id j1so39372817lja.2 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:47:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OTQAGFiGCjXnlVFSA0+hW5AuUM9zVRxB134K5Mid4eQ=; b=PeaxyMbLCeP9946kajCV8QPvpjp2CRhaYE9/XUuLjo98EZYC7LGlRFj9IMgq68tcZL DzdVRrC3lGG8PP0SjAJmVFMgOZMAWdCIPKWgF7E9iedq2kXF0FAEMW7vQI1o36nGRxOc ZE6elNmOxQLSeYbv3xJmzG0iy3H0wdu3tRVZ9m6SkgVZAW/gUBplh2pbGUaQBtb7nwio uX2w4Iu5jP7t5axB12s1UWQF/dAuFxLljd7KiTT80WCNZlPMgyrLiCF/0kvTqVaFlDsI WBwMf5G2pKIb/VpeiMJAv4ufGKeiWjbfbaO+Guf4J2cFuCCu8E5gn3e8Zkpsmz3l6yj2 nmhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OTQAGFiGCjXnlVFSA0+hW5AuUM9zVRxB134K5Mid4eQ=; b=Qji3bhvVZ2el5F71ujELiWjv+yQZ+/hN7XR+40dQaF2BnWRF796uecNH6muuFaCdFi V1B5qYW9u043ynk4DoU2oqMyxq/z/U5Rz3QXyEPqZfUMQRHr8qWxdzo6Mf7STjnFhb+a 1YzYyk25wjTUrNnAT1x9A9xLEY1X+4g5L6f1wag1q1waTioaOy0P0jCYb+FV2dFYtRJR 1AvaGklhIhBZv2ULBxRGlexuB2EhDIF983od3VsMOAvdZhPbp8P9Y/TRY1swECrF3tBM wJY6qRwxORWOagRCMP2Hrydx0BOxHUxZn5reLVRtWGhWrORRWum+CBw3xZN8z1HEgExG lnmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWq4G+Ovj9oP2Jj3LxgtCzzXDs1HJw7R2DpQKAuTyKX9uacl7iT Y0MJ6HnpgHnKgccmO1p8Fy7hO5ahbLkl6/ubtkilfQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw/QgHTVMQSRaCv2Q31FFe0qCIPO5wHzx2BmrkRXHR2QuNLV4M0aNnzkeA+Ro3JTN2TR0tBMv918l/bTTNAfmA= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9744:: with SMTP id f4mr53022504ljj.120.1578156473644; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:47:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Takesi Ayanokoji Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 01:47:41 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Descriptions of elisp function 'modify-frame-parameters frame alist' in the lispref manual. To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000002fa67059b5330ce" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::236 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --00000000000002fa67059b5330ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I have a question about description of elisp function 'modify-frame-parameters frame alist' in the lispref manual( http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispref/frames.texi#n1286 ). The manual says, --- Some parameters are only meaningful for frames on certain kinds of display (@pxref{Frames}). If @var{alist} includes parameters that are not meaningful for the @var{frame}'s display, this function will change its value in the frame's parameter list, but will otherwise ignore it. --- So, my question is, Either 'not' or 'otherwise' is not necessary, isn't it? (Because I learned English several decades ago, I am not confident this, sorry.) Thanks. --00000000000002fa67059b5330ce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a question about description of = elisp function 'modify-frame-parameters frame alist' in the lispref= manual(http://git.sa= vannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispref/frames.texi#n1286= ).

The manual says,

---
S= ome parameters are only meaningful for frames on certain kinds of display (= @pxref{Frames}).=C2=A0 If @var{alist} includes parameters that are not mean= ingful for the @var{frame}'s display, this function will change its val= ue in the frame's parameter list, but will otherwise ignore it.
---

So, = my question is,
Either 'not' or 'otherwi= se' is not necessary, isn't it?

(Because I learned English several decades ago, I am not co= nfident this, sorry.)

Th= anks.

--00000000000002fa67059b5330ce-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 04 12:07:21 2020 Received: (at 38921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2020 17:07:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inmtU-0007RX-S5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 12:07:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37158) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inmtS-0007RK-Vd for 38921@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 12:07:19 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53372) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1inmtN-0008Lu-In; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 12:07:13 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4574 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1inmtM-00032Y-OH; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 12:07:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 19:07:13 +0200 Message-Id: <837e27gnge.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Takesi Ayanokoji In-reply-to: (message from Takesi Ayanokoji on Sun, 5 Jan 2020 01:47:41 +0900) Subject: Re: bug#38921: Descriptions of elisp function 'modify-frame-parameters frame alist' in the lispref manual. References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38921 Cc: 38921@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Takesi Ayanokoji > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 01:47:41 +0900 > > Some parameters are only meaningful for frames on certain kinds of display (@pxref{Frames}). If @var{alist} > includes parameters that are not meaningful for the @var{frame}'s display, this function will change its value > in the frame's parameter list, but will otherwise ignore it. > --- > > So, my question is, > Either 'not' or 'otherwise' is not necessary, isn't it? No, both are necessary. The "otherwise" part means "other than changing the value of the parameter". 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To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009d5995059b5382d4" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38921 Cc: 38921@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000009d5995059b5382d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Understand. Thanks. 2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5(=E6=97=A5) =E5=8D=88=E5=89=8D2:07 Eli Zar= etskii : > > From: Takesi Ayanokoji > > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 01:47:41 +0900 > > > > Some parameters are only meaningful for frames on certain kinds of > display (@pxref{Frames}). If @var{alist} > > includes parameters that are not meaningful for the @var{frame}'s > display, this function will change its value > > in the frame's parameter list, but will otherwise ignore it. > > --- > > > > So, my question is, > > Either 'not' or 'otherwise' is not necessary, isn't it? > > No, both are necessary. The "otherwise" part means "other than > changing the value of the parameter". > --0000000000009d5995059b5382d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Understand.

= Thanks.

2020=E5=B9=B41=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5(=E6=97=A5) =E5=8D=88=E5=89= =8D2:07 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org&= gt;:
> From: Takesi Ayanokoji &l= t;ayanokoji.takesi@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 01:47:41 +0900
>
> Some parameters are only meaningful for frames on certain kinds of dis= play (@pxref{Frames}).=C2=A0 If @var{alist}
> includes parameters that are not meaningful for the @var{frame}'s = display, this function will change its value
> in the frame's parameter list, but will otherwise ignore it.
> ---
>
> So, my question is,
> Either 'not' or 'otherwise' is not necessary, isn'= t it?

No, both are necessary.=C2=A0 The "otherwise" part means "ot= her than
changing the value of the parameter".
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