From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:04:32 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#389: can not send e-mail to bug-gnu-emacs without it being assigned a bug number Reply-To: Joe Wells , 389@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Joe Wells Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 389 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.121321581914755 (code B ref -1); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:30:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Jun 2008 20:23:39 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5BKNZVd014749 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:23:36 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Wr0-0006TC-T6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:23:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Wqy-0006O2-Lc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:23:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33112 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Wqy-0006NW-Dn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:23:32 -0400 Received: from mail-r.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.215]:33920) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6Wqy-0000GH-MD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:23:32 -0400 Received: from izanami.macs.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.13.6]) by mail-r.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1K6WqY-00083A-Kb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:23:06 +0100 Received: from lxultra1.macs.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.27.173]:42073 helo=127.0.0.1) by izanami.macs.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1K6WqY-0004Ix-6v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:23:06 +0100 Received: (nullmailer pid 22044 invoked by uid 1001); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:23:15 -0000 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Joe Wells Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:23:15 +0100 Message-ID: <86iqwfen64.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-HW-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the HW Helpdesk for more information X-HW-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-HW-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.399, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-HW-MailScanner-From: jbw@macs.hw.ac.uk X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) It is no longer possible to send e-mail to bug-gnu-emacs without it being assigned a bug number. It appears that if e-mail to bug-gnu-emacs contains =E2=80=9Cbug#XYZ=E2=80= =9D in the subject, it is added to the bug log for bug number XYZ, while otherwise a fresh bug number is allocated and the e-mail is added to the bug log for the new bug report. It appears that bug-gnu-emacs (a.k.a. the gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup) has been taken over completely by the bug tracking system. The bug-gnu-emacs mailing list can no longer be used for meta-level discussions about bug handling. Is this a feature or a bug? Should it still be possible for bug-gnu-emacs to be used as an ordinary mailing list (and newsgroup)? I don't think the new way is necessarily bad, but it seems to have happened without much community discussion. Please discuss this. --=20 Joe --=20 Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity number SC000278. From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:04:32 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#389: can not send e-mail to bug-gnu-emacs without it being assigned a bug number Reply-To: Jason Rumney , 389@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jason Rumney Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:50:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 389 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12132206651659 (code B ref -1); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:50:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Jun 2008 21:44:25 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5BLiMgV001652 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:44:23 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Y7C-0005QT-I3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:44:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Y79-0005QH-Vn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:44:21 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38653 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Y79-0005QE-RQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:44:19 -0400 Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]:18808) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6Y79-0003Lw-Hi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:44:19 -0400 X-Trace: 129317097/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/83.67.23.108 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 83.67.23.108 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jasonr@gnu.org X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqEEAHjkT0hTQxds/2dsb2JhbACBW7BM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,626,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="129317097" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net (HELO wanchan.jasonrumney.net) ([83.67.23.108]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 11 Jun 2008 22:44:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.249.27] (chiko.jasonrumney.net [192.168.249.27]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732A3412; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:44:47 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4850472A.6010403@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:44:10 +0100 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Wells , 389@debbugs.gnu.org CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org References: <86iqwfen64.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <86iqwfen64.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=8086879D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Joe Wells wrote: > Should it still be possible for bug-gnu-emacs to be used as an > ordinary mailing list (and newsgroup)? > It should only be used for discussion of bugs. That has always been its purpose. From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:04:32 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#389: can not send e-mail to bug-gnu-emacs without it being assigned a bug number Reply-To: Joe Wells , 389@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Joe Wells Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:35:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 389 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.121322699227859 (code B ref -1); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:35:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Jun 2008 23:29:52 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5BNTmMZ027853 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:29:50 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K6ZlE-00045X-7j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:29:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K6ZlC-00043m-BB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:29:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45842 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K6ZlB-00043a-V7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:29:45 -0400 Received: from mail-r.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.217]:58496) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6Zl6-0007uO-Vj; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:29:41 -0400 Received: from izanami.macs.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.13.6]) by mail-r.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1K6Zkw-0005jH-QL; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:29:30 +0100 Received: from lxultra1.macs.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.27.173]:41693 helo=127.0.0.1) by izanami.macs.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1K6Zkt-00032u-3a; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:29:30 +0100 Received: (nullmailer pid 341 invoked by uid 1001); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:29:35 -0000 To: Jason Rumney Cc: 389@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org References: <86iqwfen64.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> <4850472A.6010403@gnu.org> From: Joe Wells Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:29:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4850472A.6010403@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Wed\, 11 Jun 2008 22\:44\:10 +0100") Message-ID: <86ej73eejk.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-HW-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the HW Helpdesk for more information X-HW-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-HW-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.399, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-HW-MailScanner-From: jbw@macs.hw.ac.uk X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 Jason Rumney writes: > Joe Wells wrote: >> Should it still be possible for bug-gnu-emacs to be used as an >> ordinary mailing list (and newsgroup)? > > It should only be used for discussion of bugs. That has always been > its purpose. What about discussion about the discussion of bugs (meta-level discussion, like this one)? Where does that go? -- Joe -- Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity number SC000278. From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:04:32 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#389: can not send e-mail to bug-gnu-emacs without it being assigned a bug number Reply-To: Jason Rumney , 389@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jason Rumney Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Don Armstrong Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 389 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: notabug moreinfo Received: via spool by 389-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B389.121325724922789 (code B ref 389); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:00:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 389) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jun 2008 07:54:09 +0000 Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5C7s2ds022783 for <389@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:54:04 -0700 X-Trace: 95845837/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/83.67.23.108 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 83.67.23.108 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jasonr@gnu.org X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwFANz0TUhTQxds/2dsb2JhbACBW61Z X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,630,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="95845837" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net (HELO wanchan.jasonrumney.net) ([83.67.23.108]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2008 08:53:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.249.27] (chiko.jasonrumney.net [192.168.249.27]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691A1412; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:54:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4850D60B.40609@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:53:47 +0100 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Wells CC: 389@debbugs.gnu.org References: <86iqwfen64.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> <4850472A.6010403@gnu.org> <86ej73eejk.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <86ej73eejk.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=8086879D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Wells wrote: > Jason Rumney writes: > > >> Joe Wells wrote: >> >>> Should it still be possible for bug-gnu-emacs to be used as an >>> ordinary mailing list (and newsgroup)? >>> >> It should only be used for discussion of bugs. That has always been >> its purpose. >> > > What about discussion about the discussion of bugs (meta-level > discussion, like this one)? Where does that go? > emacs-devel From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 17 12:22:29 2009 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2009 17:22:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLK3Y-0006um-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:22:28 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLK3X-0006uX-7I for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:22:27 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLK3S-0002LA-Ed; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:22:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19242.26830.317927.267307@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:22:22 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org reassign 936 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 3060 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 3140 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 252 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 335 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 749 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 750 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 922 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 1780 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 1826 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 2472 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 3267 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 430 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 860 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 1030 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 2091 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 2645 debbugs.gnu.org unarchive 388 unarchive 389 unarchive 1567 unarchive 1568 unarchive 1886 reassign 388 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 389 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 1567 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 1568 debbugs.gnu.org reassign 1886 debbugs.gnu.org archive 388 archive 389 archive 1567 archive 1568 archive 1886