From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:10:04 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#38818 <38818@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#38818 <38818@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows Reply-To: bug#38818 <38818@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 10:10:04 +0000 retitle 38818 Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows reassign 38818 emacs submitter 38818 =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson severity 38818 wishlist tag 38818 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 30 11:44:50 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2019 16:44:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33300 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ily9y-00052Q-Hx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:44:50 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:45155) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ily9x-00052J-50 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:44:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ily9v-0002sH-Rc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:44:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ily9u-0006WA-Gl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:44:47 -0500 Received: from cheetah.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.34]:19377) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ily9u-0006Ud-6t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:44:46 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10105E09C4 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-91-164.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.91.164]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A451FE0E92 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:44:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:44:44 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Dime-Duck: 4a4bf98a31bfe4a9_1577724283883_122511014 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1577724283883:1139083044 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1577724283882 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3640E9FFB7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:44:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=B6xeydnVO5xInVtf+S sIcPsRZeI=; b=nP2Do1FjLUhKPn42lIbUyS4PfrNJd6b7wXMoufZSueaNmVPs7E mZ+UkkwYPml0EAwlPaT2FspuGU0PmE1feTeROSC7gB4kykgSx+Q4v3J6s9AZyMbZ UDBznwG4ewAHibfZ794qVNr17KDKPzqgK3pSkPbFEUoXSbmuFOM/akeL0= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-1-111.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.1.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8811B9FFB1 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:44:40 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a42 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 00:09:08 +0800 Message-ID: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdefhedgledvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtgfesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppedvvddtrddugedtrddurdduuddunecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepvddvtddrudegtddruddrudduuddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegsuhhgqdhgnhhuqdgvmhgrtghssehgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 23.83.209.34 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) At (info "(emacs) Dired Enter") Typing =E2=80=98q=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98quit-window=E2=80=99) buries the = Dired buffer, and deletes its window if the window was created just for that buffer. Add: To delete the buffer instead of just burying it, type "1 q". To make deleting the buffer the default instead of burying it, use (setq ... ...) Users might find this helps keeping their buffer-list free of old dired buffers crowding. emacs-version "26.3" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 30 12:53:32 2019 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2019 17:53:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ilzER-0006oJ-UB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:53:32 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:39169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ilzEP-0006o1-Or for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:53:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1577728400; bh=UX5vfOG3+o4thXncC9elz05fmaAyIPn+Upcj9/b7tXA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=LL0sdRzkHdduSUagC4BxSlSv+3UrmmgDA2KDMeaCPAYNlEDz8E2J1ItEReSi9jFyZ tZc3d+H2f1/QLz2rO1ZENVSXpFUFyMMyLf1sCosUCuK42oUJN6Ys2g9VfnBjHWIOhE ahUgPIpW98QcD+kCEMIicIHLkNErfXFQG9JRPkds= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([46.125.249.24]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MORAU-1j6Nva0Sze-00PvQl; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:53:20 +0100 Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows To: =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> From: martin rudalics Message-ID: <285491e5-8cb7-55e9-f080-47bba6ed1d78@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:53:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-AT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZV5kCkgEOB92fXQdI+zhcRpFIEqM01bVJeYGDS0Uf33xu2x7oOx FMrxeqkbtW8C42TJWJ6FqrHsUF0ju1PtRHtPwZsBZZOK1t/O7JtsKHcxJfDzkjFcOxqOtaR KxiC47GBJcNgt4MReSjsNQF5oRwWyu/IOnebQs/6QbC1aOVFM/YfpOhcjT96WuSLhDai0/C 7yHUJs0yb5nQZ86S589Zg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:tLFq+dI50Dc=:gebCbgeyBRBGmfKsDFnQdP lVGUixBEitXZx5lIzxzhG3/8oLybwgbOsXgozgLwG+oXHkEu6R3CDtsY2BWKQtD7uuhJDlVIx DvnZ3RJNS4vSj2RYwFLz3ir/JOlWxfXMjYWMoaXeU+uqXYL9xeR6FjUvn6D4Y5amZhiFX7hJE 9AgB2rAw3Ca0YKkfU8g8k9a/YdeMIM1YgsosqscqprpevF9JsXuuCb8D2eBA/E0tYPEP4p8AS JkztJ/RmrLFkQCyBdHZeZ/aDO54lF+BY8Fga1kpywhIs6R1VkDVWae1BzH/PwVklREegn8rza D7+nOCvfF4q1zWnqNDfpIJpCCRVuuwMxQuKqMn819KW3TtH57LPur3ETv9WtAz+edqtvBpwFo YGjJRw/WpxXUK46GbDeE4MCKRPJigDMfCHkp5PNPoG1tdu1lgZ6DXgq1IJsKeHDyD00nUQ0GC 7/ywNd+Od0xeU0ZmuOeQOQE+XFX26PkTXSnVhjo6TL0Ryx3EFDGoEEKw8kfl9PXvIPusYfuVC L43+X378L86DXQHrH4yCqdINpTyXJnK1SOP/NXaZ4poyElow8J0X/DaULsX58Itn1ToiUyppd h4tI67KjzmtlbJrHsMFDcyvZff7avg++2AKLwgj2wD0tDn4xM9+c9GYIGGaEWdugYy49pWs9Q whB3KtiovlZnMtoFCwPT93g9dXREWcWwUvfI+hu/riu+Mh2xvN1K7B3ssb3s0INHUE0ia1BLR SpU+hse2WvjeOyREWlPUMErZGRMtEK6oaFFoHzjZboK4uPu+/G5YAoaFNG0iev+exUKMsg9VJ psU2kmrNgiYs2T/rXI/ehKXNYyo0F63pQBa4RjlbVcvHrXlVlOthRC1T/JlxvUgCEBa6wqLc8 wDD49GGFseC4CSdAx1n6A3yfLuwRTvJQ6SDlKtec3UFDRUikR8H+UcCBFx8tWadnQALAQlmYM xkzAuziSl6CeEd+3dCzWsNhxfJy/r2zjQdUtTBwt4czZmwHJe8qk+0xdoy54ID6cn2c5/CzAq ML/d2AQrQDawJgDjVFwbeleST2n2gLaPf/UcCdZyb8Y+N2vONXbKrsEG5d+MlLXcV6B1oaegI wE0c+iGa8/yBR7+MU8CMPOra2lTZmULmL0tJTpWyqMFHXYQNeUXZyN/35YS9Wym01TVAHDRHB QHAVMTZ9VCATRgOoxdqgMF27RcCmR5SiSKqbc1aEWg/8JXjnJam0Cm5mp78Zvj/hm3uGlQbuG YR2p0GW69k1OuNIJY3t3jzUt0lgU2687ZVthH/GQO8nN+TT5eLiT8P4FPsmM= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > At (info "(emacs) Dired Enter") > > Typing =E2=80=98q=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98quit-window=E2=80=99) buries = the Dired buffer, and deletes its > window if the window was created just for that buffer. > > Add: > > To delete the buffer instead of just burying it, type "1 q". We can add that typing "q" with a prefix argument will kill the buffer, but I'm afraid we have no facility supplying ... > To make deleting the buffer the default instead of burying it, use > (setq ... ...) =2E.. that. > Users might find this helps keeping their buffer-list free of old > dired buffers crowding. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 30 13:11:43 2019 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2019 18:11:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33354 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ilzW3-0007FR-Hq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:11:43 -0500 Received: from buffalo.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.24]:19245) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ilzW1-0007FI-IP for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:11:42 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036696A1D93; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-85-12.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.85.12]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 550EF6A1D3D; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:11:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:11:39 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Power-Sponge: 77e20f8e41acb045_1577729499742_4106568269 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1577729499741:1682908399 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1577729499741 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5829FFC8; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 10:11:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=ga4KZOn13xsCbTpzSe BoxOg4EcY=; b=H4OhF3XCFXosybxkIkVO5Xr5HgB8CA7TBgfYhzk8OxF7VCE7Mm t1HF1rmB2fE1mN9tqVNfu5g01euoXpmkwKMsFAGTWy1kAFPwvfeBaW8cholQYvaS YknjSl5pQsVDA2sMosOhX9SRuhhzXMdPN6h/0ju3rQvm8IzbpT0Zmt7dc= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-1-111.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.1.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 542259FFB9; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 10:11:35 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a42 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <285491e5-8cb7-55e9-f080-47bba6ed1d78@gmx.at> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 02:11:31 +0800 Message-ID: <8736d1lm3w.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdefhedguddutdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgfgsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepvddvtddrudegtddruddrudduudenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpedvvddtrddugedtrddurdduuddupdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeekkedukeesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "mr" =3D=3D martin rudalics writes: >> At (info "(emacs) Dired Enter") >>=20 >> Typing =E2=80=98q=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98quit-window=E2=80=99) buries the = Dired buffer, and deletes its >> window if the window was created just for that buffer. >>=20 >> Add: >>=20 >> To delete the buffer instead of just burying it, type "1 q". mr> We can add that typing "q" with a prefix argument will kill the mr> buffer, Yes please do. As in (info "(elisp) Quitting Windows"). Which you might as well add a link to... mr> but I'm afraid we have no facility supplying ... >> To make deleting the buffer the default instead of burying it, use >> (setq ... ...) mr> ... that. OK, but there really should be a way. Else heavy dired users commonly end up with plenty of old buffers by the end of the day. (Note that if they toggled the default to now kill, instead of burying the buffer, they would need a way to make an exception. E.g., the argumen= t would then instead bury, not kill.) (Also let's say they have one or two dired buffers they really do want to keep around, despite their "q" hitting habit. Well then perhaps there should be a "dired-mark-this-buffer-as-q-kill-pro= of" command... Or maybe even a regexp list that the user can put in their .emacs file.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 31 03:00:07 2019 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2019 08:00:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imCRj-0005JN-7F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 03:00:07 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:59551) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imCRh-0005HS-3U for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 03:00:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1577779195; bh=KkOz3Zo64OHlch83VY5m4zoAT/Kw8GFCUuo+LAvJEJ8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KW9gvio3PyCALNBYSXFDpz5CGJGh+DBAeQQqdDseGQXmsOJ+uuZTHu4IOY0ZNeXXO +i8drf6Y2mES6Qf1LE/wmoomddKb2maK+1AJ6s7Jn7xty5MHUNm5XXbqz/R2uxKcRu JH51jHX4WgGg06UtafkTGrGnT5d1O45Jng7BQf0I= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([46.125.249.3]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MF3HU-1ix8eh0rMG-00FUII; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 08:59:55 +0100 Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows To: =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <285491e5-8cb7-55e9-f080-47bba6ed1d78@gmx.at> <8736d1lm3w.5.fsf@jidanni.org> From: martin rudalics Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 08:59:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8736d1lm3w.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-AT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:fJeMsKuWVQRXCb8Lv3MlPyIJy1lwXmdxUtzZYt4DaAU/Yd1jESE f4juJul32GRIJ/ItsiihDzvM+8gi44crNVtLJGIJnq2HqT9+RDiyimYs9aiwGPMebD3W1hm oQ1RUAyy6RuB5TsQcOZeZakdyVhURRYFAYUlASQYnCFlZK/0XG2kjLR49eRfoz7toE37ymH T49t534JCzA3VU2fbJ3HQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:gkaHSKq/RQ8=:c8nyDl7+2nU7GrpItUsWgD dYRQwZogZyBj543jtwe8AZ2suZorC9QpcfSIIu5exntzQwIsTBNZk9V3vO/pYB+PSwuFxvGzu 9Kxi2s8cCw6xXdEXX2emQ0JuBgM0j5nkGA5zQ9ISZnSckW/95LKu3BBschRCQ/yIIGtfELLXp SVLul7S+N2kEzmCIiMeFkez1Wd2eKTSCtjCRItewrrQWHsXEhximw1oSjFlvI6o2QeJQ3hWTe z1Zk9OlPuqsYzk8CNQDDRdzmJCHNcSIn+KyRWKgLL2lMsaCFA8QKjCnBbxTKrg4D7R9zL7VCW /EikL5fRq2egY7+8wZ94Kb1BdMkc8DZBHdSh/OY9XvvpaLDnWHl7gn1Df9Lw1zgmNepcF0Omt 6oyMroz639orM5J05tmgET7kxPiq6w8Y5VWoMIq6zu8BjMQrSAYAbWTp5aommCr7YvS/Z0njD fD2n6q4ztzeH0VKvnsgot1QwKZVV5uyE8kX4DS66EBc9QBXGGXhNrWTGqrVDRMvsEOdd0mFtA +NKIafRdwf/vMjDFalGMBD6+dzx3h2iCGNYztfFa45kkVTQCsGY/8+O9PTAWDsv9H2jQkmzDh s34qrOxTScS4H5sOP1+GwHQEiba+iVgAnOXEx4GxGT55O9+Rmkp5ADMdhb4GDORZXMaD2jg/p GpyQD33jyLGEhw8VCyv3G21QCuuvxiqRaOuDS1wofuzlCAidZxRgxkFN26k45zrRKHDXKx4b4 OD/0Qx73d1h6hhDgYQK5yRiBd1K+l6iLtNh9Y9hubbv4zD0OWBzN6cplPi107BgqHyi15UAUs WCn8wGvI7VB9Th56yRDoktz0lP9kkaellLei9kvLCE32jk/ZYf3HejQbeYVrvmfvMWUTU4xSr fMrNKZRthIiZz3TJmydHwUdu0OKEQf4nxfOAebfgxIWsRy8zlPal2RNbQ/Uf2GO/JKdi+vqxD 6xVsiN70XT4GMkaOE1uVQM7JiqmNI+HnbVXsOKjDP2TgDzXegh5zIy9JW01C8Pfvbgy89uB2r R6hIK39vtxPoiYlge+YyL/5WVHZuVj+8WyfMjXTfXPfDHueW2Out2JOoJ5mlylGGTUtkrTwqR p5tk61eDoSDMjFN9H2nqY2m3xU1xVC18LXqZ3TG1y8seFZRwkgxgCBDCmXPYC+29yxVCzuFwU +W79o9muOA+YW4lhhvca4j70Qtu/jQ3TQv/R4oicjprTj4hcH0WaKcWCn0Qcqrl1u1aC88Hso we+LE1nPgQvcaDpFo8lNuwkXhstsc0Y45GyW8rA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > mr> but I'm afraid we have no facility supplying ... > >>> To make deleting the buffer the default instead of burying it, use >>> (setq ... ...) > > mr> ... that. > > OK, but there really should be a way. Else heavy dired users commonly > end up with plenty of old buffers by the end of the day. Since this is about 'quit-window' we would have to decide what to do with non-dired buffers (*Backtrace*, for example). Kill them as well? Provide a separate function 'dired-quit'? > (Note that if they toggled the default to now kill, instead of burying > the buffer, they would need a way to make an exception. E.g., the argument > would then instead bury, not kill.) > > (Also let's say they have one or two dired buffers they really do want > to keep around, despite their "q" hitting habit. > > Well then perhaps there should be a "dired-mark-this-buffer-as-q-kill-proof" > command... Or maybe even a regexp list that the user can put in their > .emacs file.) I don't use dired so I can't tell. But we could add a buffer-local variable say 'quit-window-kill-buffer' that would tell for that buffer what to do whenever quitting a window that shows it: The values being 'auto-kill' (always kill it automatically), 'survive' (don't kill it even when 'quit-window' was called with a prefix argument) and nil to do what it does now. The question remains how to set that variable conveniently. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 31 12:34:08 2019 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2019 17:34:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35060 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imLPE-00050Q-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:34:08 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:58579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imLPC-0004zw-77 for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:34:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1577813636; bh=wSEQIMgNKBinGlqpriFk8immqvvhy+8SE/h0+QyitQo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=WgYveXwOCkWi2TG2BxM641rtbIAX+wxLdU8T8IqswWgD+7EYKWIEUePjT40U9/iNo wcALLfMFnTo/giEsEKr7irGaiwDnrCspykmTpcqYCmIVgvuq89iEyKFVX9Tq+tUBrT T6TctbEWIOPEKkEjyeSU/SHnNH9jfbpLfUYMCtk8= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([188.99.160.184]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ljgd6-1jJDFU2LLk-00bdtg; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 18:33:56 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 18:33:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Tue, 31 Dec 2019 00:09:08 +0800") Message-ID: <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8NM09LG1D+UN4Wy1RPEVvoaGC9/0mvYBAkEjHRTeMKwmSUo6FC0 sUpQXSbdl2A2qR0dgdcAdSgaqnVzcUo/xhYZIDwhtuendN5CjW15ty/kGw7WniE5/7rwlMg dPx8Q2HZ7s1Ks6yodoShmL56/02lthYcRJNG+nC9Y8Er2T0P8abojucyp/unR9VlyS6aZtG 3Ko8/FQqKWBnQw2CL2X8w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:PwjBCTy11TE=:lAq1sqgA1z/dkftO8SPTIk 5yZSE+t2Vb4UgJPlosmh4FlZ15oTyI48xd9+ncko/HgSykW7an6XinrpbptPKy9VE38MCZ7R/ 8IiA0M+T++UTnBXJ8SjNqh0jCY74PP64WcR6BLNRCeIK4DuohpES0Eo3IBgVifTeIFhiogDT6 zxGROIZRCrELpqKiNJ8mc8KNcG/Z9CYDfV7PGtj7SYGVFyuNTkA2C5a2R/0q5c5b+lfkeloTt YDBYBYl7226L8SFlEVe4DF+xxItxXv0t8FvSZJGgWS4KuJGvQeLRfHvvcj0Xh3ADqVIu9HjNy UG7sUg2FxgHs5M4th4B3BB2fUaokMeBCfrTA8OCALJnEBHXWo08NqqfWhaE+5q2nR0hAgoxIX 6r8zrQodTAQliT8p0aDfh8ANvvvj9cL0xnKMcjd/ZN77FRAbx9m+Wflwvh6a+YAvaBzke9jhs zl2vKgwmF9022/7ChAuO/i+4Ymo7r9rLe3QU/VVp5aLNkiCFod6dBkgN5132u1GUk7UIdRVMt dVLNdyjewtkVNiTEzqzZiRffbVTjIZuIjZlKlpsPNyHebG5cR07SgvpCWDJyv4QW97ITtv5pn sLnuwf5dabBtrsQXXlyHGmASaGlXM9Eo7vM1bssgDKNz7sQQYsFHE0RCmG2/UZXTjJ9BcuQ7N OMvH5RJKpoKh5PW5D9sXMypQ94bXc1qfmzdpfT1+U7n3gz+Qedomeb1PFLg1qi/QhJddPH0mV Ng0r/evQjngbFfEkX8dLK3zy+/xMoQeFKU6pQQRmsgZXvAbGnNyX6DjjXPxq4KU3kh/uieqWo az3qaKHcr1hmtgt75V05LkDpx0M1OQK8B5s6dGUbFgMyuO3R8HOzGEG2OSDmcnBxbv2oeACsJ tMIjh+d/sDUoJhUJxvrBt+UPOoefDGDgHZzYsluqcYCrCSj+l4UY9hPfMZibbS+ZwCJpfMzku VHyCz/SFTows9UHTFnoi5/EOWZrLRhCfLGvhyPEojMxFSc9rG7Knakpz/FRSRXyNtD3KkjhjV HtWlUG44LdstXQ7cGEObJVf4LbhzgOx2KaQG2V7j01H3zoZPOVE3Aa2x0Laa1vJfLT569hwwx MryOqjljqbt3DlrFE3lEybjoQPqte/4Na2oN/9Y38oyl+SjQaZRXZ/p5sRSBVKqZohQpcC5rN fyZgjYNSpN+P3P72LM9z19iHzPP+nkgTSwhaLgdCqA/qh015I4/43qDfAcE5Afo1D5ZcET3PA F3kFSPZSH4DU7D+nQ5BRKdBSW9SowyWBmxe/H29Ah7aqXd3oyreGyMNQE9IA= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Dan, doesn't `kill-buffer-and-window' (C-x 4 0) already do what you want? Michael. 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 02:14:14 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Thread-Bitter: 417a081156edab85_1577844853916_889984490 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1577844853916:157459120 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1577844853916 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41D7804EA; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 18:14:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=eTA96AEM8WETRf7OjvD4918gRow=; b=DhCvivGQGBqc/ ESUadcFHNzF9UVULcGt2rHNgzuli0zGDmiit8xzbPLJ2Gj+6dGzHTzjimpozPeji f9D3lHvWOh6NOxGKs41R8/73Tl32J6s2dASMp4+uiwUS6VT2zrwBWBa0kcLrNYA5 k3jHBs7+kps/q++btFpyRgLEGBFJjs= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-4-189.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.4.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79A44803AA; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 18:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a50 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 10:14:04 +0800 Message-ID: <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdefkedggeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepvddvtddrudegtddrgedrudekleenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpedvvddtrddugedtrdegrddukeelpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtoheprhhuuggrlhhitghssehgmhigrdgrthenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: martin rudalics , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "MH" == Michael Heerdegen writes: MH> doesn't `kill-buffer-and-window' (C-x 4 0) already do what you want? Actually C-x k runs the command kill-buffer is good enough perhaps. Anyway the user, in dired, uses lots of v's and q's, to browse a tree. The v's go in, and the q's go out. After the day is finished, the files are all gone from the buffer list, but the directories all remain. So q when in a directory should do the same as q in (file) view mode, which is View-quit. So the q runs the command quit-window (found in dired-mode-map) in dired-mode-map is the culprit. So quit-window doesn't need to be changed at all. Instead q in dired-mode-map needs a new binding. OK, in dired, M-x View-quit does nothing. Makes sense, we are not in view-mode. So dired's q should be mapped to kill-buffer instead... (Except kill-buffer asks the user which buffer. So a new function is needed, with no asking.) Anyway this all could be controlled by a new variable: dired-keep-directorys-around-upon-quitting-it t: current behaviour (bury buffer) nil: kill buffer ask: ask upon each q what to do. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 31 21:47:32 2019 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 02:47:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35368 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imU2m-0004x4-NP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:47:32 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:55711) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imU2k-0004wo-Ix for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:47:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1577846840; bh=+1jblZBwKHp9m36RTRi1OIWfN5DMNmCzEMyF2mDQ2vQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=hLikOICSC5vDOKdDJk3MGUpc3Bp2FJYzwH+DXHwewA+pthEEytTYu0xZG7khMXHIn vQJ0Mkayy2Bm0mYI9Bj91s1ML928eFn2ZTosmtig04yOYgBN5vMdHL9nPKEhHrx7PO OKwXpED/Vq8MfiYqOMgrLz+IfEH83IIDfNocpSFw= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([188.99.160.184]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MSJC3-1jBbYq35h5-00TU6C; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 03:47:19 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 03:47:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Wed, 01 Jan 2020 10:14:04 +0800") Message-ID: <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZLeKwtxWVk7EV3RVgvUmVsye6sMhNt+z+B7UsYftonVhSMrK14R vheEkedapzUKPa1mg1xswAK20I5AXUIKXz/ZJF7rICwWci6cZyHZCqHwyNhXh+u+pxzQety 7LQ+LaG54SMeYXNjaiksUkn1tTFyPPnrqptePQgb703vKdFY1Fk435S6noGfGa5rcQMgNEg XScP5nAeyNBPG8DNXGaDQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:sfBg84ahLkc=:pYUAgPjzTaUZkPFJq6yBlY aFzg9s34uzM62X5uCXXMJ4ovrkqjs5EkgL/ObvmFtEJuLQGBn/ypF7s40EZ6GueKTxKsc0Qeq DJoehzZIaDfsMgKZOZjNcS9hyEzbdlwHh9SITxc2STb3P7zz4Ddsfw3/JLcqYYBNjaFF7W/d5 isKtPEUFzFDVe4tkNXqK6co7G48eSg6CQUOd3aFeXXNcL2SBNnnoHojV+y6wIlpEq2r61hLno C+NrE4iNoGzwZI91D6KuPVD/w2+RibucrkIvziLaNxknwE3NoK6oAAyx2tb3MIWdEA28VQDyM OO9oKDsFXrdDOsK0nH9jqzXE3qODpZaBBLO+r0inGiqJBBL2snnTRcUaZBpdVheVo0B9Yhi2C QOwULH9mF5ob7RetbCaXMCrRoytByydsvYTURZMPWWz+Zr6CtVjMmk6U2DlvPEMTxAk6XEpTw sEgVvmNU+RQtUIc9Mik2wJs0rH4ujTYCNtfq4RYjUFQtbbTlKaDPms3e5OPzRn/yfRPvXxu7F l4a32M4NpYIyjODQRGhW/EoXIwEvIQWYhqOoojgI6tVb7FS8ZBg4N+wwG6FwMTgmndlf8nTAh J/9E0N3wurOg157ed77X+E4Bq/nRMo7tYtI7CM2JTcgvqsIY6l+PRJhR6UAUgutjkURlfWzpM Am/w3JxQjUGdEPQHCSGjMEXJ6K7zcazFxi3d62FvECPqUusC393n3lW9xZSZIdQy+wkLVUoUs oV+zoxmNdeZoPZbYpe5iyHf1TvtEmUAVzXd23l6T06Mh6nEC8xdPdpO9ju6vEs4e1DnwLPEBC i9hpskU6an2ZfEreDJ1UgiRQXZNvDEerg74I10pM7xcOAwX7Qj/xdI1aHy9llTjBDmIduCjCH 4cV+YMeyHZsWXNvktAyG46lpx3kx7+9lQg2T7iWAXm15IR8lxB8oeztOkgw7UHwUBxuM7jQJL BR/4suvQzXRrpZA0dTvXSGws4CjB6dyDEWVyUz5PoOjhvVy+8YcfeL3ySmec8qLUMQjZTSJCL Q8DC8qAymkboQ4yoIdFucFsIIudGoPHGOq9XjzbFgO31GpBc3ZMMZZcTbQjd70ANQcoO60Mr/ TVpOBwDbwIRLpu+9WTkWqx2OcW8CVYB7qM0lw7KVaia7lKmKkBqjQCf27LOYXljtxfPLtKwjd KyWSxX8EkAKdaQqQhEnqFsnsoZOXa2JlebV8EkFFDpMXybUAEqoKnqJ6Vo/eiGF77EiTpH8I7 MdV9C3l+Zyo1OKC5Yd8pCFLQ3ZJuAj/KYPIv19ymQrw+jUELOYioUHfdYJrk= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: martin rudalics , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > Anyway this all could be controlled by a new variable: The default should be the current behavior, to avoid that users lose marks by accident. Also, there could be a prompt if there are any marks in the buffer. But... if the default is the same as now, you would not gain any advantage, since you can already change the key binding without much effort. I also don't see a discontinuity in the interface because unlike buffers in view-mode, dired buffers can be edited, and killing them by accident can be problematic, so it's per se ok for q not just to kill them. But I see the annoyance of tons of unneeded dired buffers lying around, too. Maybe asking for confirmation when a buffer has been edited by the user would be a good idea. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 31 22:07:35 2019 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 03:07:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35382 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imUMB-0005Pz-4T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:07:35 -0500 Received: from bonobo.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.22]:54787) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imUM8-0005Pp-8n for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:07:33 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014A32C0E18; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 03:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-87-40.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.87.40]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8E99A2C0B5B; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 03:07:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 03:07:30 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Company-Invention: 6bf8ed0c22b66711_1577848050817_2830853735 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1577848050817:1821002942 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1577848050817 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC2C816EE; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:07:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=BYQmy6WSBSp16rG//3 cyblDYvQE=; b=KMSMGtBdQIBQOGdq8nt4ssY/II4EYGiAefkkhJmupph9YSkTzP OtVtZEg8YOHnvCqODsWcAMHsn3tK6E0RY0sgCnYWuN+xj+vppglRiQ5pwundfd8A 0Y3JXLozIT92PA3smn62u62cMCNgZpklkNM+ySYNVA2Ff+S9DPz8ewQOs= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-4-189.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.4.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 873A781689; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:07:26 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a50 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:07:22 +0800 Message-ID: <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdefkedgheegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtgfesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpegvlhdrshhonecukfhppedvvddtrddugedtrdegrddukeelnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepvddvtddrudegtddrgedrudekledprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehruhgurghlihgtshesghhmgidrrghtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: martin rudalics , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Yup, confirmation when edited or marks sounds good. Otherwise if the user really wanted to keep the buffer around, he could just do C-x C-b to switch to another buffer. Wait, looking at C-h b, i dired-maybe-insert-subdir j dired-goto-file k dired-do-kill-lines l dired-do-redisplay m dired-mark n dired-next-line o dired-find-file-other-window p dired-previous-line q quit-window s dired-sort-toggle-or-edit t dired-toggle-marks u dired-unmark v dired-view-file w dired-copy-filename-as-kill x dired-do-flagged-delete y dired-show-file-type So we "see" the problem is caused by just reusing quit-window instead of = a more tailored dired command... One also notices dired-clean-up-buffers-too is a variable defined in =E2=80=98dired-x.el= =E2=80=99. So previously people had been working on related problems, but never got around to all the left over directories. MH> But... if the default is the same as now, you would not gain any adva= ntage, MH> since you can already change the key binding without much effort. Actually I don't know how to bind kill-buffer to q and not have it still ask me which buffer, but just kill it (marks and all, for now I guess.) I'm not a lisp wiz. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 31 22:45:42 2019 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 03:45:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imUx4-0006TM-93 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:45:42 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:36849) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imUx2-0006Sz-P3 for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:45:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1577850329; bh=Zc7bmXAyUo1S1ZiH4S+7n3ESLrrFXt0iPWiwZgUsfnA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KFRitxZr270qaD+PR3jKTH11AnNwRENgN8J5fHn0N4vagktWOpv39xaF0qa7sacIj lZqb0TUqkRfTxYRrUIPU861fYhzYL6WF3Toc5I8rtaMw+W6gp4do/d8i0dccsQYBni agSE9wDMVEIOWTP1CT8bnGXi/7OoHMTLDDGFS51k= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([188.99.160.184]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKr7w-1imUwq3tgG-0004XY; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 04:45:29 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 04:45:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:07:22 +0800") Message-ID: <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:OXvto3OXpDKqDPBQvsm2iVvzPTldIaJPjZVdZAtWtDPlVe5oTNO I2o7CXZ3CpcikOBFCHwlCwGnQ/QM3kBZZNKNqOp6EVTiut+c1IZDyIw+5kEe0UiXQHzDpnA LPMiF3qNa75m7RxQPx32VElHKwuTp1SR54Q/u9zG+XMrbU5X7ytIEJ3MM/Ws1RqJMIdUZMb SYPSyo7i97/ICHA957POg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:HIb5jMgMKbU=:NIqbEZRtTg1+NrLSR0ygq6 gsEOww43+mXj4s8Lt4vg9WAImETU8MzAJ9g+znbQEigDms4kSUMNty5wpf3dWkhJ/RDZWIyX2 YsN2FzyEjPqZtWY8dYmHkpORGhHdg7fSMdTxYe6CTbKVF//zfeMRj7ZxSEd1VwQSW4+fnbDo2 Lw/7ojUyndgNsGFaWXuQBPR5ZbSJRJ9n3AbuTLQbtstlKaklzNxmlJDYyEAkXByo+ULhqpjX/ mDacOre/wnKYY3FNJP/R0gcrdif7bXaJv3MSAljPYaEKg/uyr+85o0nSortPT5AKbeJPwB3T5 IRrAyuRbRQ7454G40G0wgYPQNAfxUFC7C6+cQlnN0+unjQ7ijN1XH9J2fv8fbsfbnWmthbE20 osu6D652ZlfPz32RtgYJR5Vcw7tIGbnvYvzL+ZTdwiNrNW+9Ib969aT34OJGPkmLzAqBO+vbV iwY7eledYYPVrZj9mrK/hTPUfGzInFciMuLJT00cpfMSG21bfoRvIUWn1UZ2xuhXqn7HOU7Jp VEYa41WcHf/n3w7GXSOglBXOBi3o1Aghhd0Bko51otQ+0SPrWOfbRxIyBaqUiFz7puhcNbJu/ i75WUURv5QyUOPzyZtt/B0TUHbAnPQaZWY+/rJaIS46R7Jm8SGKCMzkTgf1YLWpDztwpOVXZW JHVvUop0EP/f0+4nc1+9RZyY/kJqCVsjJHuNUHZikPKHtLL8JSye3nFq/k4p+2jRSErVAIj8k J9u4dE4DMRmj0/twycCojhfKsvR8f1IrMKCdNUI5qtt53Eo5JzWa09mAhVaZHNSDibYxrkPN2 bnjt4tFdqYT1o+SV2LPqLVfHLlwm+od/FBudW3xrAqAz01Z5viUEYMVS6hIa6drbDX1fuHTMf ZFhQxfNhcNge9memWxCraXnq2MdzsZarDHLu6PwhOlh3qlRnBAUGt4i30JdlGqlssN+7aP+kG 0YuN2PkRYQ8JsebhEq7tm9o/geDdkeCulBbeO++y3eupqMm5QOIxOjfYjg9wNr3u/C3knJRrl ID/UJUeagVFJfvfcE17Y4UKJVhMFk2BKbPOXhozJ6dqeIx7CqPPbUAAvif+z4oXcO97nU7+3N RPSZ4pHejXfIKcsisAESGSrE23G8Oa8HJcWhDUx6/m5MeSEVxfekT4JiUNCzLweM7jN5OlgsV NsbCRlrB5fp0fkW1EjaB/2VsgUn61YI/dzgyaShBGFVVN1n4DCqdrJWTCs8Ke9DM/LYMa1Rqz psGDcnflCoSspD1nJEfEdKqwJ7kXRyCFbsizWQSotPMrviIUJZIS5pEyZnIM= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: martin rudalics , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > One also notices > dired-clean-up-buffers-too is a variable defined in =E2=80=98dired-x.el= =E2=80=99. > > So previously people had been working on related problems, but never got > around to all the left over directories. But that's not very related: AFAIK that means that if you have a buffer visiting a file, and you kill that file in dired, Emacs asks whether to kill the associated, and now obsolete, file buffer. The analogue would be to kill a dired buffer when you deleted its directory. > Actually I don't know how to bind kill-buffer to q and not have it still > ask me which buffer, but just kill it (marks and all, for now I guess.) > I'm not a lisp wiz. Does `kill-current-buffer' or `kill-buffer-and-window' (aka C-x 4 0) do what you want? Michael. 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 03:59:50 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Fearful-Callous: 4ddba0de7c10f6e7_1577851190582_2522844375 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1577851190582:577347686 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1577851190581 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03C28175F; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:59:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=fYBTVdndqFmmJ6s3IzgH4UrqKpU=; b=VYWF8krwPFDCs tBliNnLWKdJdz/pQsDmCwdgWKKbK1kDzVjTvM1PDh2Ay3OJk60NGdxs0ORDD5avu MJXCL1/NeuybTLGgWWfwNW0mwXsC0bbKEp9FV/zxEwS6F+f/4QHqReAewYZrL7bZ IQ5uVw3tt1V7vAswrR3pDxyfrdSiCo= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-4-189.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.4.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D29608178E; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:59:44 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a50 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:59:40 +0800 Message-ID: <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdefkedgieeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepvddvtddrudegtddrgedrudekleenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpedvvddtrddugedtrdegrddukeelpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtoheprhhuuggrlhhitghssehgmhigrdgrthenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: martin rudalics , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) OK, I'll use (add-hook 'dired-load-hook (function (lambda () (load "dired-x") (define-key dired-mode-map "q" 'kill-current-buffer) ))) until something more fancy is invented. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 31 23:53:54 2019 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 04:53:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35461 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imW13-0008Pa-S3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 23:53:54 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:38111) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imW11-0008PK-GA for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 23:53:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1577854421; bh=UaewTByoAcrhHswked0Yj1kuNFOFWCBoho9eDIjZ2sI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=mh/mfUnA/XMoeC7z81zcEu4IZfsjQ+w1aSqZNnY0pFXJLzKbzfCk2tFsEXcpektpx BNHGeQMLZ3mYMMz2ZecZWZhHZdnWulEgnhVLEpAIBncFCiRnkniXehiFAhPfs23qZK ESkPrKVg5uIr8spXmR3Bnwl3yC1Gg3Be7EGU/rh0= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([188.99.160.184]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Le4Lg-1jVjjN2RDw-00pq8z; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 05:53:41 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 05:53:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:59:40 +0800") Message-ID: <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8lgzVyDdch8ssUFWXqjJF9JaQj8amp5hbythVaEIoFoG8mzL632 s4nl5+FnxYQQ2sChM/Yjvz6Suf6HQDcrVnvYO9I+JeHnnzHekLhHRusjdNf1uoKg3ian+CZ DolNwiaQb7mIUeoouoynk4SMRGWKOzNhRcpVlpCFHBf1NW+ROg5hRbA8luyWts71sZShe4F 7zsCyYa25t0+UpnLoom8w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:EDpnkbTweKc=:hl5hQ69NnQ8ELYncpx1wj/ A3hHQ/Q3BXZLIovId+IBFgJlj1SstwRRuQ2GWm7LKymKUWuyyuO923YHtKCoRt8gvptlrcZ+M XGPjDiso1RV4W6SnUGOuzz3QU8lwMO6cyVb66SRn5HvtPUwVcYrrTbwugta6HR28+v/ZgYpvX DKdY1ML2x0vBZd4+FuToW7Iqt7tj8BWEaNubGvYcfniiYaig+LjbHasedE/3GLfLp1uY4+ftM LMUK5qhl0Zp9r/QAR8ZLipsEmitPa2OYuf2dI9PgWsaYPuoEjh4GFqVq6rETh3LoQEQKgpaMS u7FXSZE8SzuBQH3Fh+CWFHir++FL9HnggvuHMixVuLNxnr9pAHnYAi7i34BbKiC/DB0roipL3 gUunbBeent10eSn92tH4lp6Gdi14dGRXWSgmtmc3wW3jh2dc/ngWsIH1WYGtf7HDCwPgAgKBz Tza61IljzkOR9/EXM0WBPgVj3KXZ6MfPmbayZed/FkJDOP+ycln8ywto6Izf4Bl/MIL5PS4+b KsE8fIChPSFmEL8d+ScO350PVOXeKqW6WcGuvatmpZDFCNWIigY5d6j5Caia1DmQMrxpaC38H EO3BKJqoF21/Xt5BuewGiIMSNth7/GEsTwxxy07b2swlrFwdj/r41vlKbn1sEO67nIIiBDVTl c9A/qOSKoRXgJA9M6biaQPNe818e+Ilge12xIdcMCk1uPSUJnaSUvpFldxBMCWg80RpIDoM5g whff8cSmckrErG0jQ9+h7iT9ICyA8FLUfa3Rhb9qzdT905iaPCtuSs6YhbXtWFcQOAO7TuVsg +v3NoeOK4vJMdL7mov/X73TnmC/wHGe15kYEC1f41b2p4oIReaUmmDWC/+tBWTVQigOrWXhgL 5sgrJR9fCCO5sSUIj88W+3/mxYSFQXamynj5NJqTuMj/7ub/W10dnJe3jg0adAiHVIq800Mdk hLO6eg1VONBVOcS2L5Uj2H0kBehxYVhgZA4uibiMMy4XfmdbHQ0JTqzJsI15qEGuK0dj+EtcN jQkaJljXrMdbtvGpPk7jH4dLePUOuouofQZMyCFMpyLe5lzMPH/IOHt5TmsmnrflZAJBpuQ/t alnhiNy32U27nLCXMyxzCvo7g0yaNpupd3WDtrKzaKMp/+X9gBSUiH4FaRvPuzM5oHbJwvp9a bFWkaY9z3ShUMgI8jQqrYZrFrfCeOl+jv/gE7w3UMOcTCTJDYaRomANtOUMJf9Lbuuzu9haBO Z8g8O/g4CfjQ09QxxFcuq19QFDwZsxCFqBU/WVnQnn0lNZaQkB4+/EbKDXTs= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > OK, I'll use > (add-hook > 'dired-load-hook > (function > (lambda () > (load "dired-x") > (define-key dired-mode-map "q" 'kill-current-buffer) > ))) > until something more fancy is invented. Slightly better version: (add-hook 'dired-load-hook (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () (require 'dired-x) (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer))) -- a named function can't accidentally be added multiple times to a hook, lambda already self-quotes, and `require' doesn't unnecessarily reload a file. BTW, the q binding in dired-mode-map originates from special-mode-map from which dired-mode-map inherits. These are all bindings that it inherit= s: SPC scroll-up-command - negative-argument 0 .. 9 digit-argument < beginning-of-buffer > end-of-buffer ? describe-mode g revert-buffer h describe-mode q quit-window DEL scroll-down-command S-SPC scroll-down-command Prefix Command So the q binding is somewhat standard, and other modes may share your problem. Ok, I can't help further, I don't want to propose a solution. Michael. 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 05:11:25 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Trouble-Snatch: 051573ec3322082c_1577855485595_1045002330 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1577855485595:1447347136 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1577855485595 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC24980815; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:11:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=w31Jz1gqIGqOYNWtind4GIP+hoQ=; b=GtlzB3+B2jSO5 ggzOg3MJ8WGwAUUqtMbTZQgaicVznuigYvCWnnrFX4cGBfjJJvDt3yLAhwFUMGKG CnOq3l+BbCi00LfjAF0Ms+lYr3AUdKa/RpNOueAEstmi2mT4m0c+hG8h7Al2tOpr KNMp7hVkMwCxMsNrgPk1gcAfKtbIaI= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-4-189.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.4.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FAFC80CC7; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:11:18 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a11 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:11:15 +0800 Message-ID: <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdefkedgkeduucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepvddvtddrudegtddrgedrudekleenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpedvvddtrddugedtrdegrddukeelpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeekkedukeesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> (add-hook >> 'dired-load-hook >> (function >> (lambda () >> (load "dired-x") >> (define-key dired-mode-map "q" 'kill-current-buffer) >> ))) >>>>> "MH" == Michael Heerdegen writes: MH> Slightly better version: MH> (add-hook MH> 'dired-load-hook MH> (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () MH> (require 'dired-x) MH> (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer))) MH> -- a named function can't accidentally be added multiple times to a MH> hook, lambda already self-quotes, and `require' doesn't unnecessarily MH> reload a file. OK! (info "(emacs) Hooks") just mentions the old fashioned way. Maybe someone should update it. OK maybe it is intentionally still full of those lambdas, for small jobs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 01 00:31:58 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 05:31:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35474 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imWbu-00014D-DR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 00:31:58 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:51877) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imWbs-00013v-9q for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 00:31:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1577856706; bh=fMkHO3uGJuTTfBSKxjCPSt3btRO6cCYwA/pyGB6BvmE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=NQe4gqSNgRRJmmgui80N+Bs4MCM6pkGIWOVimr3zV512PHTxD2Fi117HL/nzwvizS K/ULakbfnPuLMrE/oBlMoS3i3pyEWObFQxsHof0+0Lq7j1Qu0MDcTWsehLAEm9d3y+ bT08DTwcw9JgD7+WVq3SukyFNBj/zlZ0q616dzVc= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([188.99.160.184]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5x4z-1jg0mR1mPJ-00xqEq; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 06:31:46 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 06:31:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:11:15 +0800") Message-ID: <87woabd9oc.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ymkkJDw2uILr1/EXDndhP+mMzZhM1hLyOVsqrWn0O596qkI5KWz 5g97cYbvFEN0Imyx/kiwG2z1EWxgogOeC5ATc0NlKNMFSjcMOlvROktYB0oNUE+qfAmiZVz aDVL8YX/ZonJyx28LwfjF5XMKNy01nTd0NR24EMTVtcAVzVlsGZr+o+TPqweVKAm1TGEgHd 5BgZKG+N5QcW4LrYsimKg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:1+OuwHXkBg8=:Zjm4se314FgkyZ8HnUm+Yy 9Hpam87YxW9SzoiZvEUo1IuEbSrFqRIpg3H9lHU9LOQrqx0stFUwspGF+2cmKa9pf5xfzYVbp Jl8+2nmmMk+Dm0kUVMmTMSJKkSPnMNFecOqj+7gxdlf7RU0QwPOlxdlNDJbnXUvgBOSXHyxs0 Cz0eRtoIsIfZ2ZgC1b1DcXHz9M2gDuI4wT8ZQreB8XooB9f9BQZlwj39e7DuXMXcwuTXD+azO WFOsT9PNZ+v5pElevObX6kKm7Kw8h8kUgnqM14Z+/Dm890HNBbaK06FdfvnRiGSM75Fo9CkJU LjNL2ZXQqAkkAyYI5XcH6c2Uf3mIP5rG4gtTzHhV9jOoow1d+ZqRj7v8rrAfNNwS5vovwpUBx A2O9V/OnENF+NCBehF7hAytaXnMD1iOawgUOq5sWlcrYzRjs9AXC8uhyNQZ3y0dLGku5ZkO3Z iw0KJdbrDZuWIs36FRihNbTSH3em5zIAjcJR4RNPyHUl+6zv58eGK15YGfapRXoZazBP5VW/G 6yuLwzgblJNSVBGtEcYjlNFU89DTw1SIwmyco+mTK9Y/93B7eGkf8su2kI/Gnx2rcTW6fHOFm 9YMSsGf56nOIvFkkD0aPbGyL5I2B3H9t+yTVI7WH2e226lVNeT7rbcLZRkkyoa4HODmHGnfoy cNy3eagFON5FRlnXhQ+aNA01M4THgUduyXNHddT5sxmLrs9vrPPSf8YqbSDrWm9a12bgenboK WA/qACW18qW31BTSQ0ECSDYzybOXEoHV+QMHjczZVYkJDA1jVDzb+SFqaeOlxCc2wPXd0uWAK JAUsNLztQQcSmW0l5p5pCoSlN08Q9jSbJM307s40O3+H5jUQHLa0pthXMkGhyW6vF/9YyMZBt GcfnXtgcSrd71MVkxtnmcdG9gxQeaoFrCp93HoGXHCp/axEw6rpJRY1oCt6hpAU0WZzLtVoRA +Q5EvhfrGN4Vz7bhv6L2cO/weJPkVxTNvUYe2SLKZ1DkuNAM+ud/mwKdSWaSzxYe3S4fwGth+ 60MoeLYEQXpePJNeAousn2RxkYJnzgIJvtrvJj0Zu30t1n0ySlhjJaVzOjP8VoSf5IYUWD2cz SB97X3mJem0jPVOuPBJuYpuXH9cbNKlKebfs0yN74RycIPTSG5BS38XUwC27u4Tb55TksiblW a4tF6MMqXxJQYEyQsWoC7BEvwGytkAb/QnBFuyz6qCn1uHPiTiPLxpLlcqOsIPdaZ0272jBiP +/+hGkumxT2GEoC2m6hEHQyQ4wo2juqDt1TC6ocI7PFxCNiF0Mt1eIjPBEe0= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > (info "(emacs) Hooks") just mentions the old fashioned way. > Maybe someone should update it. > OK maybe it is intentionally still full of those lambdas, for small jobs. Using lambdas should be ok most of the time. But there's a certain risk of unintentionally having two copies of a function in a hook when the code is executed multiple times, e.g. if you load your init file twice, once compiled, and once the lisp source, because `add-hook' then can't know that it's the same function. Most of the time even this has no visible effect, but when it has, it can be surprising and finding the cause can be hard, so I try to just avoid adding lambdas to hooks in my init file. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 01 01:47:41 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 06:47:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imXnB-00036O-2v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 01:47:41 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:43910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imXn9-00036B-Ef for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 01:47:40 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 0016d9sY107310; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 06:47:31 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=B1DJMUmDxY0VXlNfuGlZvozyAw6rRBKT7G6hchZYNlc=; b=K4JHyb27AWjynuhtD7PXqcieJkkAo3csY375OQrNAbn7PvFAtqpK/fVPiga3Sz4u4dsG Hua4CI09jnMBKN5bPKeQ+J2QXC5z9Yz2G/Oq85ON+IHdzBThpTN8E738j1MsNxArBL4y QaMmAmbmA+TIGRm7hDch9N7etOJl4DH66h+N7Qj5nY4lY0iz4qo1boFbs41VzXiDFBls wluFF3V7qXuiCqN810ahwTMVmm1quhuIwS9n+xFRzP1yRFiqbwnyGhg7RHyoUDghOjdM i2ReIbsw686kTFYjTD5T5DYDEDKmTWiyjQipezVaFcZjcA+MeJ56+D4sLoxsIog1V+rd Dg== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2x5xftkhvv-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 06:47:31 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 0016h2Q3040779; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 06:47:30 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2x8gj98t3v-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 06:47:30 +0000 Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 0016lPKU016657; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 06:47:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4be3d2be-c2b9-458d-95f2-8dfa3b663be7@default> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Michael Heerdegen , =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= Subject: RE: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4939.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9487 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=594 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-2001010061 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9487 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=658 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-2001010061 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > But I see the annoyance of tons of unneeded dired buffers lying around, > too. `C-x C-v' prevents that. --- Also, with Dired+ you can use `C-M-R' to toggle reusing Dired buffers (instead of accumulating them). `RET' and `^' then automatically do what `C-x C-v': replace the previous Dired buffer with the new one. It's a toggle because you can easily want to sometimes keep Dired buffers by default and sometimes want to replace them by default, depending on what you're doing. When keeping by default you can always use `C-x C-v' to replace occasionally. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 01 01:54:12 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 06:54:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35515 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imXtT-0003FH-TG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 01:54:12 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:47082) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imXtQ-0003F4-Ed for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 01:54:09 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 0016s2Ms115458; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 06:54:02 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=t/yCOuhb2ZhuTwyBMVl5Nq4+C8TERGvQMdXunDiPYss=; b=W/SmpbT5pYsbCbTUa9cZPQHZyskC4bn12KUnnoM1B7FZBM3pM3i/i5aKYeHK8ThgNywY Q9M/XI+XZs/lLje1ZOiDpBMKzw0VHb6Us94umWdXZR4Ef04kx11IDvESsjWLVoCSQ62T uYgNO/I8TVsiYhKTP/tUzmh10zGkjjDohSR19YSWr+5SMzn0SgZk+wvJp45pVPpUHDdJ 5CxPUu2l/OtMldb9ii1XkJZRwGrBlmNUVwi/70nhKWfv2l6Ik3f75feyFz3o5phKjJMr RxR7xNoR+0eQah9TFD6UPitnWsPs/d4SJR5hyO2eEvJMOf5v4gdKbm4QX598h/sYsNjX VA== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2x5xftkj2e-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 06:54:02 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 0016rw29118301; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 06:54:00 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2x7medpm09-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 06:53:59 +0000 Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 0016rNt5018783; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 06:53:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:53:22 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Michael Heerdegen , =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= Subject: RE: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87woabd9oc.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87woabd9oc.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4939.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9487 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=809 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-2001010063 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9487 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=868 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-2001010063 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Using lambdas should be ok most of the time. But there's a certain > risk > of unintentionally having two copies of a function in a hook when the > code is executed multiple times, e.g. if you load your init file twice, > once compiled, and once the lisp source, because `add-hook' then can't > know that it's the same function. Most of the time even this has no > visible effect, but when it has, it can be surprising and finding the > cause can be hard, so I try to just avoid adding lambdas to hooks in my > init file. Also, if you're testing stuff and you add a lambda form to a hook, and later you want to remove it, you need to use exactly the same text - same whitespace, everything. The lambda form is taken, in effect, as text, and it looks for an exact textual match. It's very good to get in the habit of not using lambdas on hooks. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 200sm14301474qkn.79.2020.01.01.06.39.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 06:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87woabd9oc.fsf@web.de> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 09:38:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:53:22 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <874kxfckcc.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > you need to use exactly the same text - same > whitespace, everything. The lambda form is taken, > in effect, as text, and it looks for an exact > textual match. No, it's compared as a Lisp object with `equal', whitespace is not significant. If the lambda form is uncompiled then it's a list, if it's compiled then it will be bytecode function object. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 01 12:24:20 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 17:24:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imhjH-0003lo-LJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 12:24:20 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=53583 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imh9B-0002WU-7U for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:47:02 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60127A4A987E; Wed, 1 Jan 2020 17:46:53 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:46:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 01 Jan 2020 05:53:43 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Michael Heerdegen writes: > Slightly better version: > > (add-hook > 'dired-load-hook > (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () > (require 'dired-x) > (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer))) Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: vanoostrum.org] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 12:24:18 -0500 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Slightly better version: > > (add-hook > 'dired-load-hook > (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () > (require 'dired-x) > (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer))) The documentation of defun says that its result is undefined. So either it should not be relied upon, or (if the result is reliably the defined function) it should be documented as such. -- Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 01 18:18:52 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2020 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37731 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imnGO-00049r-0O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 18:18:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45604) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imnGN-00049b-1e for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 18:18:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43428) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1imnGH-0000wy-2x; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 18:18:45 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1imnGG-0006KT-8K; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 18:18:44 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:53:22 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87woabd9oc.fsf@web.de> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 18:18:44 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] How about this addition? diff --git a/doc/lispref/modes.texi b/doc/lispref/modes.texi index 7354eb1..b52871e 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/modes.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/modes.texi @@ -135,13 +135,26 @@ non-@code{nil} value, it returns that value; otherwise it returns @node Setting Hooks @subsection Setting Hooks - Here's an example that uses a mode hook to turn on Auto Fill mode when -in Lisp Interaction mode: + Here's an example that adds a funtion to a mode hook to turn +on Auto Fill mode when in Lisp Interaction mode: @example (add-hook 'lisp-interaction-mode-hook 'auto-fill-mode) @end example + The value of a hook variable should be a list of functions. You can +manipulate that list using the normal Lisp facilities, but the modular +way is to use the functions @code{add-hook} and @code{remove-hook}, +defined below. They take care to handle some unusual situations and +avoid problems. + + It works to put a @code{lambda}-expression function on a hook, but +we recommend avoiding this because it can lead to confusion. If you +add the same @code{lambda}-expression a second time but write it +slightly differently, you will get two equivalent but distinct +functions on the hook. If you then remove one of them, the other will +still be on it. + @defun add-hook hook function &optional depth local This function is the handy way to add function @var{function} to hook variable @var{hook}. You can use it for abnormal hooks as well as for -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 01 22:32:01 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2020 03:32:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37905 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imrDN-0001KZ-Bw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 22:32:01 -0500 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:58824) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imrDM-0001KM-1S for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 22:32:00 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 0023OSTU041394; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 03:31:54 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=UYigSa0xs5UYzOSYqhL5QRGqA2cFNrfZTQw3rAIwvw0=; b=cdQwnnBwSPiXnzmRed0GJrFVBACwRqZcx1YL0OFJARJ/ZNTaBuC4e7PFpZiGE/qJoKRa wa+CPm0bkQtrcc7+LDC4a1oDMWIhOkppdJr6NKLr49K/YlZ/oQ3lAdaGoDS2W/noJw76 NgqXTHLPnfZe/N+bxbYd8mloVnCsw54krj0yGnHq4ucki1q7yhHn5hBhjlO98IVjIOlx KcJesYNuutTKsSU8lmWQGUVDANtpfcQ9n1xgXzx4xCFrsHvFnbNlBjkzLGV72qaYdkNX NMhcycAvkS2XZyoEcsdMp6IExQyuXP4xbtOLckV80PFqP6Nzpqtxh5u8tN0JrVUh34GC QQ== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2x5ypqn9ck-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 02 Jan 2020 03:31:54 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 0023O1Zi097622; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 03:29:53 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2x7meecye0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 02 Jan 2020 03:29:53 +0000 Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0023TpsU023293; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 03:29:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 19:29:50 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: rms@gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87woabd9oc.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4939.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9487 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=651 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-2001020029 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9487 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=711 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-2001020029 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > How about this addition? LGTM. > + It works to put a @code{lambda}-expression function on a hook, but > +we recommend avoiding this because it can lead to confusion. If you > +add the same @code{lambda}-expression a second time but write it > +slightly differently, you will get two equivalent but distinct > +functions on the hook. If you then remove one of them, the other will > +still be on it. But see Noam's reply to my message. Given that, we might want to describe better how two lambda forms that you might think represent the same function can be considered different in this context. (I know I've been bitten by that, in particular not recalling exactly how I wrote a lambda form that I added, when I later wanted to remove it, and not bothering to check its form on the hook. But I'm sure Noam is right in what he says.) Alternatively, maybe the language should just be vague enough to skirt the conditions that can treat two seemingly "equal" anonymous functions as different. IOW, that's not really the point here, which is just to tell users that they probably want to use named functions on hooks. Your "because it can lead to confusion" is maybe sufficient, here. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 01 23:14:26 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2020 04:14:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37942 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imrsP-0002Jo-Tm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 23:14:26 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:50817) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imrsO-0002Jb-AF for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2020 23:14:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1577938454; bh=PCHMM0Frqz78kDbkcloo+PCxdda+Wv6vTY0izFFPPh4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=a/dFw7US+y3RIvA0TVseYmy3Ty2fDCEO+ZDAbSzybOVc5dkRVAfHXnjqLPKpRt8ai 3NugJ5UjFuDJKbfT5OJfPBu/6+/X8zcVKxkHB7Tz9suOa4G9zOaB23ethdwbrgzIBk aY1sDrto32kFGskAR6cwO78Z6k9qlrYyoA5xln9c= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([188.99.160.184]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MS1xS-1jBVF60yhG-00TFsE; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 05:14:14 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Pieter van Oostrum Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 05:14:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Pieter van Oostrum's message of "Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:46:52 +0100") Message-ID: <87lfqqebqg.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JfFueWwkl1Xomw4yY6elhLSMHTiSELSB9nMaX0pMn5RSgXgV5Ie WTEpoD504Fy8hznIkJWQDiDLZuXs1AIy80LV4kKHVscLkREj7ocUPekBumEuNyFGBssURjC C2fnPtEn2AmIDlKKihyUyGh9jrgL8Q6Gf0B+3Hw4D9wmncGx8RWF6MTqnlCPsFeDfOOudVC eeYVkXCudV1YWxIBsOAhg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:IryDKV1WF5c=:bACW+8tUCIv1Gy9+2R7VR1 JIPuwGqX24Z1KxzXGQD/J0EKTOKfwmya0eFWyJUjMSZP2XpJ60VPCVpGfqLwUgGrtiw/Ep+5o YskwEYx1aLHTzOeBqmduvUnyxlywumr2ybol152Otn4u9HtlzGgQ1+lLXpuxr0um1+iRi9TxB uj1T/vO/DUl2AieCViQZDGQ6czJieJDBCkLQ1POcp/nSQaL20QY1k2MUCN43KKBXlo9ODIafT x9zf5+Tef3CYwhhWvgAC40OHxH6/7HWS+1kPgasU3n3EOqOrcjmBG+tPoZJ9lKEZA4ntzT9Yj cu9p87EjcRJqKoCVDvMJCqUbd51mHKHSMsjfDPHU9vk7tHd7HxOiASBNskVpw63ZSrxmHpWHg Dgk5ahygDIQPm08tiCjEg61OSlV/joTBN/P+bUtDZNeKNyHW8GuMp2+WebAi4oRFq8K0/el5R RouWIiWhGwwOL5VsDUbqNndd5veCxX8TePhG/zsu1orbK9IvjkZ8yt8GrrJmd+9BGtwRG9IWE FgTTui6TjqYrC0bT+plfl06XQiKRc2yt1lMSr34JPBjUbHvRD/8dBhqRPoIZER7mt1aePwy1F Lo4Y8S9cWuHhfFA5be0qV+Y4Vs4+Fbd4cLOxrG/WS3WUSxFQbYFoDUQoVo3lvJm2ETRxhT2z5 uSAABJsLmCN2AHxAbpnk5QJBTDvP2qXK3mv3QN+FRESgGYcAiNPpbw+ycDdQT+/xSoFqBkaCz S3Zxx69VvNTE80z0aH/LJ5lgaYiLZKi6AklgA2cpzCsnSqWVd3izeDKy/chEoAOfg+O6jdpJD R3QHh7VrLa2fb3aLKdmHb3zv7QaJe8xoHMJtTffGEVzG49TKsGeiuwIKIUeiaH0gqQHHJf0ml KlHcx8QjInl/EjbpacqO35q+TKyqIcr2mZRTEhQQfsSI8IjrdjB7qD04ZbMiNNwlu7IIb7EcF 5QXXnYPh1+MYP4+Co/s9NUA1YbIXnxxeACbulENHeFGoRhTGZ0Lyqdhg6RwniEKYDeRogxMgA jnDsM0HVh4FfCySsC+PdEREmzITZB85pcJ9ikndloldMPYuioB1m/13eF74ynCHTUJvlc+JU2 ZttgParZZe1mUDc3fQMhrKZrZ8KR29sj51+Ay2r22J0BXu2nZ5MZVLC+wGztgQqOF/a47Relt k4BD0DV3XLbFtkMy1OqCsxmo91St5mRAVYfOijp5rZ+458kOx1pITqFemN7NRKMnZ1HNOdamS N8D5+VLMTJzAiqu7owcMbS17Y0DL36d2Bfo3WSr/kLsgcbPHwE4Zym+wi5SM= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Pieter van Oostrum writes: > > Slightly better version: > > > > (add-hook > > 'dired-load-hook > > (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () > > (require 'dired-x) > > (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer))) > > The documentation of defun says that its result is undefined. So either > it should not be relied upon, or (if the result is reliably the defined > function) it should be documented as such. Indeed: the return value of `defun' even changed recently (from returning the definition to returning the defined symbol). Same for defalias. I think I'll file another bug report: adding user defined functions to hooks not only has the common pitfall which is not warned about - the alternative, using named functions, is also quite inconvenient since defun's return value is unspecified. I guess most users currently do it wrong. Or do I miss something? Thanks, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 02 16:59:28 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2020 21:59:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40153 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1in8V5-0000y8-S6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 16:59:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1in8V3-0000xv-NX for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 16:59:27 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35705) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1in8Uu-000253-7N; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 16:59:16 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1in8Ur-0007KQ-6l; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 16:59:13 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 1 Jan 2020 19:29:50 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87woabd9oc.fsf@web.de> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 16:59:13 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Given that, we might want to describe better > how two lambda forms that you might think > represent the same function can be considered > different in this context. It seems clear to me, but I don't insist on the wording I suggested. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 03 10:10:28 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2020 15:10:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inOaq-0004dz-55 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 10:10:28 -0500 Received: from egyptian.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.56]:65094) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inOan-0004dn-Ch for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 10:10:27 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98561A1C0E; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 15:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-15-236.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.15.236]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2F1C31A1AD8; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 15:10:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a51.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Fri, 03 Jan 2020 15:10:23 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Suffer-Plucky: 4447d99979f2a2b2_1578064223606_2348237005 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1578064223606:2399058728 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1578064223605 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF6081624; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 07:10:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=21Kt9uIOQKoZ9/Xfup0nmAWlVIk=; b=n+dEaMg09kktI 1jNqnvjdEEK5e7Sf9pA1lly44kdH3goRL7ENzk8EIxhnPLRyX5oywbsnfjQwaxeX 8wpsa2nTDzoYic6bEJ6v+lmlqgTqgRnkF9Kbjb5LeO/4KR7nEfRaMU3i8sTiEuWY ZlF+AII/ES770QlY2WtWaQxT+wOS3w= Received: from jidanni.org (114-26-40-110.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.26.40.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E5218162F; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 07:10:15 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a51 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Pieter van Oostrum Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 23:10:09 +0800 Message-ID: <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdegfedgjeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrvdeirdegtddruddutdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduudegrddviedrgedtrdduuddtpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeekkedukeesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "PvO" == Pieter van Oostrum writes: PvO> Michael Heerdegen writes: >> Slightly better version: >> >> (add-hook >> 'dired-load-hook >> (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () >> (require 'dired-x) >> (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer))) PvO> The documentation of defun says that its result is undefined. So either PvO> it should not be relied upon, or (if the result is reliably the defined PvO> function) it should be documented as such. OK. So what is the best way I should write it for my .emacs file? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 03 18:18:50 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2020 23:18:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42245 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inWDS-0001lk-5F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:18:50 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=52735 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inWDQ-0001lQ-NA for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:18:49 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937BDA4D2576; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 00:18:40 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 00:18:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Fri, 03 Jan 2020 23:10:09 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "PvO" == Pieter van Oostrum writes: > PvO> Michael Heerdegen writes: > >>> Slightly better version: >>> >>> (add-hook >>> 'dired-load-hook > [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: jidanni.org] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "PvO" =3D=3D Pieter van Oostrum writes: > PvO> Michael Heerdegen writes: > >>> Slightly better version: >>>=20 >>> (add-hook >>> 'dired-load-hook >>> (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () >>> (require 'dired-x) >>> (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer))) > > PvO> The documentation of defun says that its result is undefined. So eit= her > PvO> it should not be relied upon, or (if the result is reliably the defi= ned > PvO> function) it should be documented as such. > > OK. So what is the best way I should write it for my .emacs file? Thanks. Well, this is how I do it. (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () (require 'dired-x) (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer)) (add-hook 'dired-load-hook 'my-dired-load-hook-fun) --=20 Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 03 18:31:37 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2020 23:31:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42249 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inWPp-000289-97 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:31:37 -0500 Received: from butterfly.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.27]:18702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inWPn-000280-2n for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:31:36 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDC82C1633; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 23:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-83-39.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.83.39]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 278C32C1D20; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 23:31:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Fri, 03 Jan 2020 23:31:33 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Keen-Exultant: 36cd38af562485a4_1578094293565_1409476597 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1578094293565:998138297 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1578094293564 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482DEA11B2; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 15:31:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=IAIcCUlbTukwHMwvlb5FoOUuuNg=; b=ZsgTZ2/8vdIf5 U/5t4YPtohVg94uuiXzDuLbglTSiVvkwszf5kizQ3j6VC5WUIhHgKptR9wwUXcm3 rQTAO70wbx6e3JnrBXWlLHpNVgnS9UcbkoGIwR39Eq+K4WfLVUtxaPBQ9VkQ1yvk yelpnlTJKrICaPijEh7OR2e1kxT/kk= Received: from jidanni.org (114-26-43-157.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.26.43.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 780A3A11B0; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 15:31:26 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a36 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Pieter van Oostrum Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:31:22 +0800 Message-ID: <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "PvO" == Pieter van Oostrum writes: PvO> Well, this is how I do it. PvO> (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () PvO> (require 'dired-x) PvO> (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer)) PvO> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook 'my-dired-load-hook-fun) OK, but this does not seem environmentally friendly, leaving a function (that I hereby promise not to use a second time,) lying around. Well I guess I could undefun it... But one never can find out how (Bug!: (info "(eintr) Change a defun") etc. Info pages never say how!) Plus seems a little bulky to do a defun ... undefun each time in a .emacs file. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 03 18:51:16 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2020 23:51:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42263 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inWip-0002a3-Mp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:51:15 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=52937 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inWim-0002Zm-2T for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:51:13 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD675A4D7343; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 00:51:03 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 00:51:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:31:22 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "PvO" == Pieter van Oostrum writes: > PvO> Well, this is how I do it. > > PvO> (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () > PvO> (require 'dired-x) > PvO> (define-key dired-mode [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: jidanni.org] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: >>>>>> "PvO" =3D=3D Pieter van Oostrum writes: > PvO> Well, this is how I do it. > > PvO> (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () > PvO> (require 'dired-x) > PvO> (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer)) > > PvO> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook 'my-dired-load-hook-fun) > > OK, but this does not seem environmentally friendly, leaving a function > (that I hereby promise not to use a second time,) lying around. > > Well I guess I could undefun it... But one never can find out how (Bug!: > (info "(eintr) Change a defun") etc. Info pages never say how!) > Plus seems a little bulky to do a defun ... undefun each time in a > .emacs file. Your version does that too, if the defun semantics would be what you expect= ed. It leaves exactly the same function in the name space. If you don't wan= t that then use the lambda form. But you said your version was better. Why = then if you want the function to be anonymous? --=20 Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 03 19:14:00 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2020 00:14:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inX4q-00035R-Mu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 19:14:00 -0500 Received: from brown.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.23]:42724) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inX4o-00035I-Fu for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 19:14:00 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5FB5E180F; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 00:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-83-39.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.83.39]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8E1805E1661; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 00:13:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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For that one needs a web search https://www.google.com/search?q=emacs+undefine+a+function From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 04 01:17:04 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2020 06:17:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42397 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inckC-0003jY-Aj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 01:17:04 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:36367) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1inckA-0003iy-AJ for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 01:17:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1578118612; bh=bQBmO7DyQmJNj6qXOvwxk6LdlQFSywKIdPplqfIgo2E=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=TTazAFnfO3x9dfSN1ZookZugnlCpGOoLt4Fq5b5WWvbQF70nWKGUWWVImlllUVNNg HXoA+imKmDE5zSlvCA3x2yO9MKinsmba1cUi8oSvgTrVB2CtGwqIooC2mmrs9xKq4Z OcV3eICOXqt3Mi7cu4IJmzhLwMO/5/P7QSjuztMw= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([188.99.160.184]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Maamb-1j7kxZ0kEj-00KC6Y; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:16:52 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:16:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:31:22 +0800") Message-ID: <877e27bvai.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:24iXLsUvNC3W7+6L3LVdMZeBbjdqcnEyt2fhyehWuHkOPAC6Vwd Ws3i2kDqWHCX6+dkvxiDHxhhkyWVzJfvbBpOrThNDkL8t88jjQNuA3lXdVnexo0C5bP5NQV +QrnJca8599qqduyFNDh6qoKnIgiWuSnis/gakJmuKUxqQTiip+Z9tpUBE3swa0v4TceKWi Tsy5ZsqZ6dVjTNrMVgyaA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:cGVgMm94Gm8=:Y0Vc9pZBFJGC8dhvtICgy2 nPEW9dvqdgMZR1YrNy3N5Vt9APCRLzfXses5lbCRWHLZGgRCAYS3G55ZmGXfovS9DsSgODtR0 gnlBaFAxTXPQlK/buGeT0rFwR9SYPgqiIOilAUnscEbz6xhSNxb7Mh3GGA8zoPQHrBPF6hdB3 P/FMKogtfJhONnYo6avThEHbVkOkQI/TgmydfYu8jck/dU5etsMHZJrqCr4p1/oysiVBVI1Xt udsxWwUgk+EVsLQKXzXwOwNPOZe9YliZirs3nKaxMz78mPM+wk9UujzczSweNWCma9kfE0Hnb ILzFfF3Jr4w5pm7QaexqSmupWaMlcAEIlP0Zx4zkITWMj5uEYhiwChUd3mksfCrrodvPWhJET UA9hRyQ7ziDj8BBzoP9gTh/mbcc4ynCoqVWNi0xmltuRr4xBBxWdUh20yIoYKWOJuxpsBQMjl HSrOP3IBQprVAnauVMunHw/boHAX72kJELhNEUlf5/tD3RuncsY2RsbL8suWpHsfuG98skek8 kvuHR9e+zcDe1sbjiHkRaRvOvTYWCs432UjBiGPLtqxN/0ML5ANEu/cskfPQmeIOkFjVbmd5h xCt6pQGcpeaq16fMI1SyUHVo1kcfECJb8AuIIkj5fSRa7+7H/a2+dl1weeTkm15ZueVHBhfaN tIu7yjIBCQLlQyegLeKtHY26V0YhvcofB0dXwBsEYV5g9WMihuLf2y0GDDpxUjRJqlZDy99L2 kECnmdOl/WxqGwgwbz+Uw/Mk0fqwy3zhv1DPYSyd1duEY0DIFrWQEKXsZ7R15Ps4REd8ZT4RR nAJDsimKisgj85vIeLBw5721+6tp/CMjDefSupuRRduusVrusaxBm9g8x/KCFoq0jBd4yV2o7 Zf9QrQZaUUBRzGXMgkpLF8y2xzuXXRAe37TD0nryBvsDWLnno8OLiTCE8B5KFRRdlaqzP+5sN fXqgzE3usoIZvQBTbRv/NQPu3nvu7ho1DXLCG+5CYvTI9deutIycrc/eM+YtuoZgjTKNJt/oN vyJg624fBDX/sGmgM/Vq2YqXNNY37kMoqflP9Kz15+5DZvsIDuQBDoC9/QWNsM3WmV+zyBK0M k21MYL1p2MQeKGa0gIROQW7Ii5DNeptKKA50BjAV063fJHI/zcbxZPtOq71qYeAp/mxQOFE8Q cBJ3WfudcxjaBywN4of5vfOU1vPyqmFa7Nt3fcfVYocMGz1kKlOhUR8Dml9O8hzxcY4nnwMfi ofBis6tUrv4u0EKxHQ7YKOE+zjWXX8KXTrwCCOUpkDDFxpT95VHWP7hDSi5I= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Pieter van Oostrum , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > >>>>> "PvO" =3D=3D Pieter van Oostrum writes: > PvO> Well, this is how I do it. > > PvO> (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () > PvO> (require 'dired-x) > PvO> (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer)) > > PvO> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook 'my-dired-load-hook-fun) > > OK, but this does not seem environmentally friendly, leaving a function > (that I hereby promise not to use a second time,) lying around. Your lambda will also keep lying around. The name "dired-load-hook" will keep lying around. And: for most of the hooks you want to add stuff to you probably can't be sure that it won't be run more than once. Undefining cries for errors. It's also not necessary, those few additional names hardly make a difference. Michael. 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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b24sm11457026qtp.82.2020.01.04.05.26.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 04 Jan 2020 05:26:11 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Postavsky To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:26:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:59:40 +0800") Message-ID: <871rsfcpzh.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , martin rudalics , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > OK, I'll use > (add-hook > 'dired-load-hook > (function > (lambda () > (load "dired-x") > (define-key dired-mode-map "q" 'kill-current-buffer) > ))) > until something more fancy is invented. With regards to all the subsequent lambda vs defun stuff, you could also use with-eval-after-load instead of dired-load-hook: (with-eval-after-load 'dired (require 'dired-x) (define-key dired-mode-map "q" 'kill-current-buffer)) Actually, this does also use a lambda behind the scenes and has similar drawbacks, but for some reason it doesn't seem to bother people as much. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 04 08:57:50 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2020 13:57:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42561 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1injw6-0002QJ-Fk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:57:50 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=57994 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1injw4-0002Q3-Mr for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:57:49 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23574A4ECF67; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 14:57:40 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <877e27bvai.fsf@web.de> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:57:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <877e27bvai.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:16:53 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Michael Heerdegen writes: > 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > >> >>>>> "PvO" == Pieter van Oostrum writes: >> PvO> Well, this is how I do it. >> >> PvO> (defun my-dired-load-hook- [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: vanoostrum.org] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Michael Heerdegen writes: > =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > >> >>>>> "PvO" =3D=3D Pieter van Oostrum writes: >> PvO> Well, this is how I do it. >> >> PvO> (defun my-dired-load-hook-fun () >> PvO> (require 'dired-x) >> PvO> (define-key dired-mode-map "q" #'kill-current-buffer)) >> >> PvO> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook 'my-dired-load-hook-fun) >> >> OK, but this does not seem environmentally friendly, leaving a function >> (that I hereby promise not to use a second time,) lying around. > > Your lambda will also keep lying around. The name "dired-load-hook" > will keep lying around. Yes, of course, I want that. > And: for most of the hooks you want to add stuff to you probably can't > be sure that it won't be run more than once. Undefining cries for > errors. It's also not necessary, those few additional names hardly make > a difference. For me it doesn't. It was Dan who complained about that. --=20 Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 04 08:58:41 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2020 13:58:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42565 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1injwu-0002Rl-RG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:58:41 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=58008 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1injwt-0002RY-04 for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:58:39 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9801AA4ED230; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 14:58:32 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:58:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:13:45 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > OK I'll go back to the lambda way I had in > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2020-01/msg00000.html You can make it a bit simpler by eliminating the (function ... ) around the lambda. -- Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: vanoostrum.org] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > OK I'll go back to the lambda way I had in > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2020-01/msg00000.html You can make it a bit simpler by eliminating the (function ... ) around the= lambda. --=20 Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 04 18:49:10 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2020 23:49:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43496 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1intAM-00056A-KC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 18:49:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56027) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1intAK-00055s-OJ for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 18:49:09 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59002) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1intAE-0005bu-QS; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 18:49:02 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1intAB-0006wF-79; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 18:48:59 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 18:48:59 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > OK can find lots of "defun" documentation, but it never mentions how to > undefine one. Would you please say precisely where you found that "defun" documentation? Then we could think about whether to add something there. In the Lisp Reference manual, defun is described in node Defining Functions. We could add an xref to the node Function Cells about this. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 02:39:32 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 07:39:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43616 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1io0VY-0000ei-LX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 02:39:32 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=64937 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1io0VW-0000eT-NY for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 02:39:31 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C603BA4FBEE6; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:39:24 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 08:39:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2020 18:48:59 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's e [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gnu.org] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > OK can find lots of "defun" documentation, but it never mentions how to > > undefine one. > > Would you please say precisely where you found that "defun" documentation? > Then we could think about whether to add something there. C-h f defun > In the Lisp Reference manual, defun is described in > node Defining Functions. We could add an xref to the node > Function Cells about this. > -- Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 03:06:58 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 08:06:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43621 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1io0w5-0001Mv-QM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 03:06:58 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=65365 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1io0w3-0001Mh-3h for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 03:06:55 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D26A4FC0F0; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 09:06:49 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2020 18:48:59 -0500") References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 09:06:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And, by the way, that message arrived here with the CJK characters in Dan Jacobson's name mangled. Whereas the normally are 積丹尼, they now are , and message-send-mail [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: vanoostrum.org] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) And, by the way, that message arrived here with the CJK characters in Dan J= acobson's name mangled. Whereas the normally are =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0= =BC, they now are , and message-send-mail cras= hes on it. Debugger entered--Lisp error: (cl-assertion-failed ((save-excursion (goto-c= har (point-min)) (not (re-search-forward "[^\0-\377]" nil t))) nil)) cl--assertion-failed((save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) (not (re-sea= rch-forward "[^\0-\377]" nil t)))) message-send-mail(nil) message-send-via-mail(nil) The raw header is: To: =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?=3DE7=3DA9=3D8D=3DE4=3DB8=3DB9=3DE5=3DB0=3DBC?=3D Dan = Jacobson which translates to unprintable characters, which cause this error. Normally it would be From: =3D?UTF-8?Q?=3DE7=3DA9=3D8D=3DE4=3DB8=3DB9=3DE5=3DB0=3DBC?=3D Dan Jac= obson so it seems to be a mixup of encodings on RMS's side. When these unprintable characters re in the message body, you get an error = message with a choice: Non-printable characters found. Continue sending? (delete, replace, send, = edit, ?): but when they are in the header it just bails out with an uncomprehensible = error cl--assertion-failed: Assertion failed: (save-excursion (goto-char (point-m= in)) (not (re-search-forward "[^.-=C3=BF]" nil t))) which isn't helpful at all. --=20 Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 10:32:12 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 15:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1io7sy-0000CS-1J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 10:32:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40077) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1io7sv-0000CC-Vc for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 10:32:10 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38457) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1io7sp-0007M8-V3; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 10:32:04 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2544 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1io7sg-0005xk-1l; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 10:31:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:31:59 +0200 Message-Id: <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Pieter van Oostrum In-reply-to: (message from Pieter van Oostrum on Sun, 05 Jan 2020 09:06:48 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Pieter van Oostrum > Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 09:06:48 +0100 > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Dan Jacobson , > 38818@debbugs.gnu.org > > And, by the way, that message arrived here with the CJK characters in Dan Jacobson's name mangled. Whereas the normally are 積丹尼, they now are , and message-send-mail crashes on it. Please report this as a separate bug, and please include the offending email message (as an attachment) with your report. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 13:19:15 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 18:19:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44588 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioAUd-0004EI-J1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:19:15 -0500 Received: from black.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.19]:10113) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioAUb-0004E9-K7 for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:19:14 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641F2500D1C; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-4-18.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.4.18]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1DC28500D24; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:19:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:19:12 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Shrill-Tart: 1f38e84b212fa683_1578248352190_2145436090 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1578248352190:3679884423 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1578248352190 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DA8800A7; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:19:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=KzZFZl5UzmNLNmDh0cCIgPVDA+8=; b=euEcxp/Pld3eY mpB2BcGvpfHnW6ZLFCvkhc/soISvQIwPVA4vyFW3gknQ/GouZ8TnyU7QwGW6Px+d MWd4lGV5CPuqje9ADapqyK9EBa+sQ+QQsF5IBc+e0c63BX82rEzjOER2kSnZP6Sp baGO2jwNlHblwzbKSDYf4lxAKg3MOU= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-20-108.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.20.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BF5E800A1; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:19:07 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a4 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 02:19:03 +0800 Message-ID: <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdegkedgudduudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrvddtrddutdeknecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurddvtddruddtkedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefkeekudekseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Pieter van Oostrum , rms@gnu.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sounds like RMS's personal CJK-mangling mail system. But he doesn't have time to fix it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 13:20:41 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 18:20:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44592 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioAW0-0004Ga-Tv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:20:41 -0500 Received: from eastern.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.55]:56347) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioAVy-0004GR-Ot for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:20:39 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884FE2C16F7; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-92-234.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.92.234]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4E40F2C1673; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:20:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:20:37 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Ruddy-Madly: 0a9c5c744e9d1ea3_1578248437378_4185907616 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1578248437378:2943818882 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1578248437378 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149D6800A6; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:20:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=pg3wrwi1bqyasLq8v31WL3ofQNs=; b=YHnTGsxBvOgZD rqt7JwjQaxJZnuxVclRU4QKeDMTK79VTgK8YMXIjlpGxfdoCuGDpC732PjyoiN4H Nu1k2DgHJ1VMekMNwllUOr12cU+Kpmb1pd98THG2E4jWgK3FoAWjSMEyoT3accsu 5hKJSU+LvdyhXyPFc6lPiSpzi86cQY= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-20-108.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.20.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DDCE080099; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:20:30 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a4 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Pieter van Oostrum Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <877e27bvai.fsf@web.de> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 02:20:26 +0800 Message-ID: <87o8vhkbo5.8.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdegkedgudduudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrvddtrddutdeknecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurddvtddruddtkedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefkeekudekseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) OK, as to what to put into my .emacs, I'll stick to what is in the books. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 13:48:21 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 18:48:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44613 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioAwn-0004w6-Ax for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:48:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33492) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioAwm-0004vu-6f for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:48:20 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioAwf-0004qv-VG; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:48:13 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2808 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioAwW-0001le-6V; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:48:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 20:48:09 +0200 Message-Id: <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson In-reply-to: <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from =?utf-8?B?56mN?= =?utf-8?B?5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson on Mon, 06 Jan 2020 02:19:03 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > Cc: Pieter van Oostrum , rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 02:19:03 +0800 > > Sounds like RMS's personal CJK-mangling mail system. But he doesn't have time to fix it. It isn't just RMS's email, it's also your email: it claims to be text/plain and doesn't state any charset, but comes with a non-ASCII name. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 14:09:48 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 19:09:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44636 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioBHY-0005SE-69 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 14:09:48 -0500 Received: from crocodile.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.45]:51133) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioBHW-0005S5-Cb for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 14:09:47 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FBF5004DE; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-196-67.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.196.67]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7D97F50052E; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:09:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 05 Jan 2020 19:09:45 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Inform-Snatch: 6b11c6295d675fdb_1578251384955_4130765796 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1578251384955:4272742181 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1578251384954 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D850800A8; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:09:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=p0dvFhbhFLhYimOACSbeDmMylhk=; b=TyX07KFKu76Sq hKh+atjB8NfpIkKMgEKGa9OoJ6mylhRxdOVOE8sIPZl0aB/KCG7h6YV2LV0AwarM 1CtDz8G91X/DayOFEISgjv1yU2Lv1ZhaPwGk3g44snLGIGqlg4vLsfxwAzQMLCJN FXyiMi12ncz4KCl4l4vgfQAT2JgqfE= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-20-108.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.20.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2609280099; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:09:37 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a4 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:09:33 +0800 Message-ID: <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdegkedguddvudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddrvddtrddutdeknecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurddvtddruddtkedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehlrghrshhisehgnhhushdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) EZ> it claims to be text/plain and doesn't state any charset, but comes with a non-ASCII name. Naw.... From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson ^^^^^^^^^^^ is all one needs. Content-Type: text/plain is discussing the body, not the header. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 14:33:20 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 19:33:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44657 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioBeJ-00061v-UC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 14:33:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39326) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioBeI-00061j-42 for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 14:33:18 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41353) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioBeB-00005V-Kw; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 14:33:11 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1548 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioBdz-0008V8-58; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 14:33:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:33:04 +0200 Message-Id: <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson In-reply-to: <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> (message from =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson on Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:09:33 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:09:33 +0800 > > EZ> it claims to be text/plain and doesn't state any charset, but comes with a non-ASCII name. > > Naw.... > > From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson > ^^^^^^^^^^^ Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 15:49:02 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 20:49:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioCpa-0007we-2p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 15:49:02 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=55539 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioCpY-0007w8-QG for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 15:49:01 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E509BA50D2D2; Sun, 5 Jan 2020 21:48:54 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:48:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:33:04 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson >> Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, >> 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org >> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:09:33 [...] Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gnu.org] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS 0.1 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson >> Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, >> 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org >> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:09:33 +0800 >>=20 >> EZ> it claims to be text/plain and doesn't state any charset, but comes = with a non-ASCII name. >>=20 >> Naw.... >>=20 >> From: =3D?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?=3D Dan Jacobson >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA? What would be wrong with that? It seems to me that it conforms to RFC 2047. --=20 Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 17:18:17 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 22:18:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44747 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioEDx-0003gi-CP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:18:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32999) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioEDw-0003gW-0Y for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:18:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44364) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioEDp-0004rg-Sp; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:18:09 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioEDo-0003Hl-TF; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:18:09 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Pieter van Oostrum In-Reply-To: (message from Pieter van Oostrum on Sun, 05 Jan 2020 08:39:24 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:18:08 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Would you please say precisely where you found that "defun" documentation? > > Then we could think about whether to add something there. > C-h f defun That is supposed to document defun specifically. I don't have an opinion about whether it should document related topics. I will leave that discussion to others. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 17:19:55 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 22:19:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44751 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioEFW-0003j3-Qv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:19:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33474) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioEFU-0003ir-Lk for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:19:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44408) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioEFP-0006Dn-4h; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:19:47 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioEFM-0006iO-SM; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:19:45 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson on Mon, 06 Jan 2020 02:19:03 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:19:44 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, eliz@gnu.org, pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Sounds like RMS's personal CJK-mangling mail system. But he > doesn't have time to fix it. That code is part of Rmail. I don't think it has changed, but it seems other systems now react strangely to it, so it needs to be changed. I could fix, it but I might need an hour to figure out the way things are supposed to work nowadays, and I can't spare that. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 18:30:24 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2020 23:30:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44795 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioFLh-0005Xr-5H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:30:24 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=56147 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioFLf-0005Xc-Hr for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:30:20 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A090AA51090A; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 00:30:13 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <24082.29060.827794.305352@cochabamba.vanoostrum.org> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 00:30:12 +0100 To: Pieter van Oostrum From: =?utf-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows X-Mailer: VM undefined under 27.0.50 (i686-apple-darwin10.0.0) in-reply-to: (jidanni@jidanni.org) References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's e [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gnu.org] 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=jidanni%40jidanni.org;ip=145.132.212.31;r=debbugs.gnu.org] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, eliz@gnu.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Pieter van Oostrum Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's e [...] Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: internethalloffame.org] 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=jidanni%40jidanni.org;ip=145.132.212.31;r=debbugs.gnu.org] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]= ] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]= ] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]= ] > > > Sounds like RMS's personal CJK-mangling mail system. But he > > doesn't have time to fix it. > > That code is part of Rmail. I don't think it has changed, > but it seems other systems now react strangely to it, so it > needs to be changed. > > I could fix, it but I might need an hour to figure out the > way things are supposed to work nowadays, and I can't spare that. > > --=20 > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) --=20 Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 22:26:13 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 03:26:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44885 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioJ1x-0003LW-Np for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:26:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45446) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioJ1w-0003LC-NI for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:26:13 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioJ1q-0002uA-9Q; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:26:06 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2515 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioJ1j-0002wP-3p; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:25:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:26:04 +0200 Message-Id: <8336ctfepf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Pieter van Oostrum In-reply-to: (message from Pieter van Oostrum on Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:48:54 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) > From: Pieter van Oostrum > Cc: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson , > rms@gnu.org, > michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org > Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:48:54 +0100 > > >> EZ> it claims to be text/plain and doesn't state any charset, but comes with a non-ASCII name. > >> > >> Naw.... > >> > >> From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA? > > What would be wrong with that? It seems to me that it conforms to RFC 2047. Sorry, I don't understand: what would be wrong with what, exactly? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 05 22:32:59 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 03:32:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44889 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioJ8V-0003aH-FL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:32:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45957) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioJ8U-0003a4-D0 for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:32:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48023) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioJ8O-0006JC-TG; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:32:52 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2928 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioJ8H-0001zS-PA; Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:32:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:32:52 +0200 Message-Id: <83zhf1dztn.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:19:44 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, > 38818@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:19:44 -0500 > > > Sounds like RMS's personal CJK-mangling mail system. But he > > doesn't have time to fix it. > > That code is part of Rmail. I don't think it has changed, > but it seems other systems now react strangely to it, so it > needs to be changed. It's not just Rmail, it's something in your personal setup as well. Because I use Rmail as well, and have no such problems. I'm guessing it's some locale-dependent or coding-system-dependent customizations, and perhaps also the way you fetch your email from gnu.org. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 03:31:05 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 08:31:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44986 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioNmv-00039t-2r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:31:05 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:36337) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioNmt-00039j-4W for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:31:00 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47rpcd5yXfz1rhKy; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 09:30:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47rpcd2j1rz1rG02; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 09:30:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q3kOXgbz2t0k; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 09:30:56 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: yL3PxTM6Gu3C5vi8movntjEUGQvO7UiQc4oP6airXreGmPzcA/bnRlf+B63UudAC Received: from hase.home (ppp-46-244-191-42.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.191.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 09:30:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by hase.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 709AB101BF7; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 09:30:55 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: LOU GRANT froze my ASSETS!! Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 09:30:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:33:04 +0200") Message-ID: <875zhpng00.fsf@hase.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Jan 05 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson >> Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org >> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:09:33 +0800 >> >> EZ> it claims to be text/plain and doesn't state any charset, but comes with a non-ASCII name. >> >> Naw.... >> >> From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA? Why do you think this does not arrive intact to people's MUA? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 03:51:10 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 08:51:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioO6P-0003d2-Qk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:51:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38419) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioO6P-0003cp-4S for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:51:09 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51068) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioO6I-0006PD-2N; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:51:02 -0500 Received: from [176.12.180.157] (port=34090 helo=[10.212.47.98]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioO6A-00012Q-1G; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 03:50:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 10:50:50 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <875zhpng00.fsf@hase.home> References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> <875zhpng00.fsf@hase.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! To: Andreas Schwab From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: <2DB34F98-B802-46A3-AA33-B614A1891D74@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) On January 6, 2020 10:30:55 AM GMT+02:00, Andreas Schwab wrote: > On Jan 05 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > >> From: =3D?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?=3D Dan Jacobson > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA? >=20 > Why do you think this does not arrive intact to people's MUA? Because some methods of fetching email auto-convert qp-encoded and base64 = encoded parts=2E I don't know how exactly RMS fetches his, but it could happen for him=2E From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 04:23:20 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 09:23:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioObY-0004Ny-2Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 04:23:20 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:57232) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioObV-0004Np-C5 for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 04:23:18 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47rqmz4WtKz1rhZ9; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:23:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47rqmz3lvGz1rG09; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:23:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id alZM8oR7qPZx; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:23:14 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: o6CecEcZ6hHiYHQr4PGyiLBopJitiZy3uvqbaLwWQ2pBSJI3B9ZSkWSZSF9b4W3Y Received: from hase.home (ppp-46-244-191-42.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.191.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:23:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by hase.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8A26101BF7; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:23:13 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> <875zhpng00.fsf@hase.home> <2DB34F98-B802-46A3-AA33-B614A1891D74@gnu.org> X-Yow: Hello, GORRY-O!! I'm a GENIUS from HARVARD!! Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 10:23:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2DB34F98-B802-46A3-AA33-B614A1891D74@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 06 Jan 2020 10:50:50 +0200") Message-ID: <871rsdndku.fsf@hase.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) On Jan 06 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > On January 6, 2020 10:30:55 AM GMT+02:00, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> On Jan 05 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> >> From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > >> > Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA? >> >> Why do you think this does not arrive intact to people's MUA? > > Because some methods of fetching email auto-convert qp-encoded and base64 encoded parts. But that isn't the fault of the raw mail contents. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 04:56:28 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 09:56:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioP7b-0005DH-VF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 04:56:28 -0500 Received: from [145.132.212.31] (port=58028 helo=cochabamba.vanoostrum.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioP7Z-0005D0-Kj for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 04:56:26 -0500 Received: from cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cochabamba.vanoostrum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E76A519DCE; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 10:56:19 +0100 (CET) From: Pieter van Oostrum To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> <8336ctfepf.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 10:56:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8336ctfepf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:26:04 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Pieter van Oostrum >> Cc: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson , >> rms@gnu.org, >> michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org >> Date: S [...] Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: jidanni.org] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS 0.1 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Pieter van Oostrum >> Cc: =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson , >> rms@gnu.org, >> michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org >> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:48:54 +0100 >>=20 >> >> EZ> it claims to be text/plain and doesn't state any charset, but com= es with a non-ASCII name. >> >>=20 >> >> Naw.... >> >>=20 >> >> From: =3D?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?=3D Dan Jacobson >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > >> > Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA? >>=20 >> What would be wrong with that? It seems to me that it conforms to RFC 20= 47. > > Sorry, I don't understand: what would be wrong with what, exactly? OK, then I probably didn't understand you. You asked about =3D?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?=3D "Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA?" So I thought you meant there is something wrong with that part. Apparently = you did not mean that. So what did you mean? Dan seems to want that part (s= ome CJK characters) to show up in the email, and it does for me. And that i= s how it should be. --=20 Pieter van Oostrum www: http://pieter.vanoostrum.org/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 05:02:50 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 10:02:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45060 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPDl-0005OC-TW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:02:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51956) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPDk-0005O0-DB for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:02:49 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51877) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPDe-0007KW-P3; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:02:42 -0500 Received: from [176.12.180.157] (port=34087 helo=[10.212.47.98]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPDX-0000xp-Eg; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:02:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 12:02:32 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <871rsdndku.fsf@hase.home> References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> <875zhpng00.fsf@hase.home> <2DB34F98-B802-46A3-AA33-B614A1891D74@gnu.org> <871rsdndku.fsf@hase.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! To: Andreas Schwab From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) On January 6, 2020 11:23:13 AM GMT+02:00, Andreas Schwab wrote: > On Jan 06 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > > On January 6, 2020 10:30:55 AM GMT+02:00, Andreas Schwab > wrote: > >> On Jan 05 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>=20 > >> >> From: =3D?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?=3D Dan Jacobson > > >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> > > >> > Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA? > >>=20 > >> Why do you think this does not arrive intact to people's MUA? > > > > Because some methods of fetching email auto-convert qp-encoded and > base64 encoded parts=2E >=20 > But that isn't the fault of the raw mail contents=2E This isn't about assigning blame, this is about finding where that mojibak= e comes from and what triggers it, and hopefully figuring out how to avoid = or fix that=2E From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 05:09:35 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 10:09:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPKI-0005Y0-QJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:09:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53271) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPKH-0005Xm-En for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:09:33 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51940) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPKB-0002gH-Tu; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:09:27 -0500 Received: from [176.12.180.157] (port=34105 helo=[10.212.47.98]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPK4-0006Cz-JE; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:09:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 12:09:17 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> <8336ctfepf.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! To: Pieter van Oostrum From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) On January 6, 2020 11:56:18 AM GMT+02:00, Pieter van Oostrum wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > OK, then I probably didn't understand you=2E > You asked about =3D?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?=3D > "Why do you think this arrives intact to people's MUA?" >=20 > So I thought you meant there is something wrong with that part=2E > Apparently you did not mean that=2E So what did you mean? Dan seems to > want that part (some CJK characters) to show up in the email, and it > does for me=2E And that is how it should be=2E I'm saying that if the original mail had some suitable MIME charset in its= headers, the problem would be less likely to happen=2E Because email mess= ages that rely on implicit encoding specifications are more likely to hit s= ubtle problems=2E And btw, no one can rely on having the exact same encoded name in response= email, MUA and MTA are free to change the representation at will, as long = as the content is transferred without losses=2E From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 05:13:24 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 10:13:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPO0-0005dg-AB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:13:24 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:34748) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPNy-0005dV-2v for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:13:22 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47rrtm2pTPz1rfQM; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:13:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47rrtm1yccz1rG0B; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:13:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IiaoJrSrSzId; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:13:19 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: O0FIEKa34NKBykbcx3OEL4yJ15lp4fiEDZ5kLtjOHDSkPRrVQ3qEgOydtKMAZf08 Received: from hase.home (ppp-46-244-191-42.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.191.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:13:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by hase.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A5D1B101BF7; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:13:18 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> <875zhpng00.fsf@hase.home> <2DB34F98-B802-46A3-AA33-B614A1891D74@gnu.org> <871rsdndku.fsf@hase.home> X-Yow: Then, it's off to RED CHINA!! Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 11:13:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 06 Jan 2020 12:02:32 +0200") Message-ID: <87woa4nb9d.fsf@hase.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) On Jan 06 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > This isn't about assigning blame, The please don't make is sound like that. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 05:16:06 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 10:16:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45077 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPQb-0005j5-OJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:16:06 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:51778) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ioPQa-0005iw-5T for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:16:04 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47rrxv4tXDz1rh88; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:16:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47rrxv4160z1rG09; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:16:03 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NyAxBQfd-r0B; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:16:02 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: aqV9rHu6YCbLM87sK5Lyp3m/XLS3YnjrtSd4XG1YLk+KQ3Nilca21gtWtUdETcYE Received: from hase.home (ppp-46-244-191-42.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.191.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:16:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by hase.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 22124101BF7; Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:16:02 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38818: jidanni's mail headers not perfect?! References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <838smlg2om.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bxk9ea.8.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> <837e25g0lr.fsf@gnu.org> <8336ctfepf.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: You can't hurt me!! I have an ASSUMABLE MORTGAGE!! Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 11:16:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 06 Jan 2020 12:09:17 +0200") Message-ID: <87sgksnb4t.fsf@hase.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: Pieter van Oostrum , rms@gnu.org, michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) On Jan 06 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I'm saying that if the original mail had some suitable MIME charset in > its headers, the problem would be less likely to happen. The MIME charset is there: =?UTF-8? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 06 18:08:46 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2020 23:08:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46977 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iobUM-0004nO-Gp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:08:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54721) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iobUK-0004nA-Ac for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:08:44 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iobUE-0005Dp-PD; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:08:38 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iobUC-0004dR-BK; Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:08:36 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83zhf1dztn.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:32:52 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <83zhf1dztn.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:08:36 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It's not just Rmail, it's something in your personal setup as well. > Because I use Rmail as well, and have no such problems. I'm guessing > it's some locale-dependent or coding-system-dependent customizations, > and perhaps also the way you fetch your email from gnu.org. I fetch the mail by copying the inbox file verbatim, so I doubt it can be that. I debugged this some, and found that rfc2047-decode-encoded-words is decoding header fields such as =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=C3=A9raud?= incorrectly, using a peculiar choice of coding system, windows-1252. That seems to come from mm-charset-to-coding-system. Does anyone see how that could happen? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 11 04:40:47 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2020 09:40:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55368 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iqDGB-00064G-1U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 04:40:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49476) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iqDG8-000641-EJ for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 04:40:45 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46443) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iqDG2-0007PU-CX; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 04:40:38 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2980 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iqDFj-0004Gc-KA; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 04:40:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 11:40:20 +0200 Message-Id: <8336cm8h6j.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 01 Jan 2020 18:18:44 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87v9pv2230.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87woabd9oc.fsf@web.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 18:18:44 -0500 > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, jidanni@jidanni.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org > > How about this addition? > > diff --git a/doc/lispref/modes.texi b/doc/lispref/modes.texi > index 7354eb1..b52871e 100644 > --- a/doc/lispref/modes.texi > +++ b/doc/lispref/modes.texi Thanks, I installed it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 22 07:48:01 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2020 12:48:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFQP-00023m-0V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:48:01 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59438) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFQN-00023a-6v for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:47:59 -0500 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFQE-0002xZ-Ci; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:47:53 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87mub85ri0.fsf@web.de> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <83zhf1dztn.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:47:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:08:36 -0500") Message-ID: <87d0bby7wq.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > I debugged this some, and found that rfc2047-decode-encoded-words > is decoding header fields such as =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=C3=A9raud?= > incorrectly, using a peculiar choice of coding system, windows-12 [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gnu.org] -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Eli Zaretskii , pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, jidanni@jidanni.org, 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > I debugged this some, and found that rfc2047-decode-encoded-words > is decoding header fields such as =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=C3=A9raud?= > incorrectly, using a peculiar choice of coding system, windows-1252. > That seems to come from mm-charset-to-coding-system. > > Does anyone see how that could happen? I don't. Do you have a test case? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 22 07:51:24 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2020 12:51:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49143 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFTg-00029B-F9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:51:24 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59506) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFTf-00028y-30 for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:51:23 -0500 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFTX-0002zP-2y; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:51:17 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:51:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Tue, 31 Dec 2019 00:09:08 +0800") Message-ID: <878slzy7r1.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Reading this thread, there doesn't seem like there's anything much to fix here. The user can redefine `q' in the buffers they want, or use quit-window-hook to do something, or use `C-x k'. (There were other issues touched upon (like defun in hooks), but they've been clarified.) Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: ingebrigtsen.no] -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Reading this thread, there doesn't seem like there's anything much to fix here. The user can redefine `q' in the buffers they want, or use quit-window-hook to do something, or use `C-x k'. (There were other issues touched upon (like defun in hooks), but they've been clarified.) So I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 22 07:51:32 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2020 12:51:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49146 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFTn-00029V-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:51:31 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFTl-00029C-PL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:51:30 -0500 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFTe-0002zY-7g for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:51:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:51:21 +0100 Message-Id: <877e1jy7qu.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #38818 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:17:32 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Unite-Madly: 122883e8672fcb71_1579699052539_3964738639 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1579699052539:720992661 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1579699052539 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329EA7FFD0; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 05:17:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=pT3jQem6yBkDWlH2jNP6eWhbX9E=; b=eEtaB4Qs25jv1 7FjoWUKzMz0KlaW76i0obuXyVEDdYkmAo7p6YxJOSeruDqGk9GAOs1FqCrHySuat s7dO7TFP8B077cD5xZrARG50PznEwK89Bu3HrX4zGVc9yfugBPs/5zsCML7J4JRP fVMPtsL22s07iVQ4PskhrQWE4BUujY= Received: from jidanni.org (111-246-86-71.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [111.246.86.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C2727FFB5; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 05:17:24 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a95 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87h81f3our.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <83zhf1dztn.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bby7wq.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:17:19 +0800 Message-ID: <8736c7wrz4.8.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrvddtgdeghecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffkfggtgesthdtredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecukfhppeduuddurddvgeeirdekiedrjedunecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduuddurddvgeeirdekiedrjedupdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeekkedukeesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrgh X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Eli Zaretskii , pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, Richard Stallman , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> Richard Stallman writes: >> I debugged this some, and found that rfc2047-decode-encoded-words >> is decoding header fields such as =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=C3=A9raud?= >> incorrectly, using a peculiar choice of coding system, windows-1252. >> That seems to come from mm-charset-to-coding-system. >> >> Does anyone see how that could happen? LI> I don't. Do you have a test case? I thought the test case was my header as on the From: in the header of this message that I am sending now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 22 08:19:35 2020 Received: (at 38818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2020 13:19:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49202 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFux-0006p3-HB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:19:35 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59924) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFuw-0006oo-5N for 38818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:19:34 -0500 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iuFun-0003NC-NE; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:19:28 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#38818: Dired: mention deleting buffers, not just windows References: <87imlxlrrv.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87v9pv28qu.fsf@web.de> <87d0c33mdx.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87o8vnq1ph.fsf@web.de> <875zhv3jyr.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eewjydyg.fsf@web.de> <87sgkw60fi.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <8736cwrub9.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2uoqds6.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfqlgbrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgktkbqg.8.fsf@jidanni.org> <83zhf1dztn.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0bby7wq.fsf@gnus.org> <8736c7wrz4.8.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:19:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8736c7wrz4.8.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:17:19 +0800") Message-ID: <87a76fwrvn.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > I thought the test case was my header as on the From: in the header of > this message that I am sending now. No, your From header is perfect the way it is. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: jidanni.org] -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38818 Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Eli Zaretskii , pieter-l@vanoostrum.org, Richard Stallman , 38818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > I thought the test case was my header as on the From: in the header of > this message that I am sending now. No, your From header is perfect the way it is. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:10:04 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator