From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:16:04 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#388: which bug messages should be sent where? (was: Scrolling occasionally stops in *compilation*) Reply-To: Joe Wells , 388@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Joe Wells Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:25:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 388 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.121321179631151 (code B ref -1); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:25:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Jun 2008 19:16:36 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5BJGVno031144 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:16:33 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Vo7-0007Ad-B0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:16:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Vo6-00079T-JY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:16:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44684 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K6Vo6-00079G-Az; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:16:30 -0400 Received: from mail-r.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.101.217]:36969) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6Vo1-0006co-AR; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:16:25 -0400 Received: from izanami.macs.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.13.6]) by mail-r.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1K6Vlc-0002Jy-4z; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:14:32 +0100 Received: from lxultra1.macs.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.27.173]:51030 helo=127.0.0.1) by izanami.macs.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1K6Vlb-0001W4-JX; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:13:55 +0100 Received: (nullmailer pid 17955 invoked by uid 1001); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:14:04 -0000 To: rms@gnu.org Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org References: <86prqofey8.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> From: Joe Wells Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:14:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Wed\, 11 Jun 2008 13\:45\:52 -0400") Message-ID: <86skvjeqdf.fsf_-_@macs.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-HW-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the HW Helpdesk for more information X-HW-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-HW-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.399, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-HW-MailScanner-From: jbw@macs.hw.ac.uk X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) [ I am removing =E2=80=9Cbug#21=E2=80=9D from the subject because it seems = this triggers the bug tracker to add the message to the log for this bug in the bug tracker. Can someone please post a description of the complete interface? ] Richard M Stallman writes: > Any e-mail sent to XYZ@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (where XYZ is the > bug number) will be CC-ed to bug-gnu-emacs automatically. This is > what Stefan did. > > That is a pain in the neck for everyone on bug-gnu-emacs. > It should be cc'd to emacs-bug-tracker instead. > > It is good that e-mail sent to XYZ@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com is CC-ed > to bug-gnu-emacs automatically. Simply turning this off would be bad. > > I don't see anything bad about it. > Would you like to try to substantiate that statement? The important question is: What is the purpose of the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list (and the gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup which is connected to the mailing list)? It is very good that there is now a bug tracker for Emacs. However, the existence of the bug tracker means the purpose of the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list needs to be reassessed. I believe the purpose of the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list should now be this: The bug-gnu-emacs mailing list is (1) where people can send bug reports and (2) where people who want to help can watch for bug reports and the discussion of bug reports. > There is no simple solution, although there may be a complicated > one. > > I've stated a simple solution above. You could also solve the =E2=80=9Cproblem=E2=80=9D by unsubscribing from th= e mailing list. Your =E2=80=9Csolution=E2=80=9D would make it too difficult for people like= me to watch the discussion and contribute where we have useful knowledge to share. Your =E2=80=9Csolution=E2=80=9D could make things easier for some p= eople, but it would also make it harder for other people to help in solving bugs. I suggest that a long-term solution should be thought about more carefully. I hope this message is helpful. --=20 Joe --=20 Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity number SC000278. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:16:04 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#388: which bug messages should be sent where? (was: Scrolling occasionally stops in *compilation*) Reply-To: rms@gnu.org, 388@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Richard M Stallman Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Don Armstrong Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:05:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 388 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: notabug moreinfo Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12135526766784 (code B ref -1); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:05:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Jun 2008 17:57:56 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m5FHvpEU006772 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:57:52 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7wUA-0001jL-US for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:57:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7wU9-0001ic-6i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:57:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58210 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7wU9-0001iX-0p; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:57:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:58653) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K7wU8-0007yA-Vo; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:57:49 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K7wS4-0003Hh-F0; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:55:40 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard M Stallman To: Joe Wells , 388@debbugs.gnu.org CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: <86skvjeqdf.fsf_-_@macs.hw.ac.uk> (message from Joe Wells on Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:14:04 +0100) References: <86prqofey8.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> <86skvjeqdf.fsf_-_@macs.hw.ac.uk> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:55:40 -0400 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 Your ?solution? would make it too difficult for people like me to watch the discussion and contribute where we have useful knowledge to share. With all due respect, I think your conclusion is mistaken. My solution would not inconvenience you at all. My solution would involve sending these messages to emacs-bug-tracker instead of to bug-gnu-emacs. If you want to see these messages, you could subscribe to emacs-bug-tracker, and you would get the same messages you are getting now. This change would give each subscriber on bug-gnu-emacs the option to either receive the bug-tracker mail or not. I don't think that can make anything difficult for anyone, and I do not understand why some people resist making the change. 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