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26.3; Doc string of `files--message'

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To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
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Subject: bug#38737: closed (26.3; Doc string of `files--message')
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 14:52:02 +0000

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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 26.3; Doc string of `files--message'
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:42:34 -0800 (PST)

Doc string:

"Like `message', except sometimes don't print to minibuffer.
If the variable `save-silently' is non-nil, the message is not
displayed on the minibuffer."

`message' does not "print to" the minibuffer or "display on" the
minibuffer.  It shows a message in the echo area.

Plus, it's not true that it sometimes does not show the message.  What
really happens is that the message is sometimes shown and then
immediately cleared - it is still logged in `*Messages*', for example.

The doc string should just say that if `save-silently' is non-nil then,
after showing the message in the echo area, it is cleared.



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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 38737-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#38737: 26.3; Doc string of `files--message'
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 16:51:33 +0200

> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:42:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
> 
> `message' does not "print to" the minibuffer or "display on" the
> minibuffer.  It shows a message in the echo area.

Thanks, I fixed the wording.

> Plus, it's not true that it sometimes does not show the message.  What
> really happens is that the message is sometimes shown and then
> immediately cleared - it is still logged in `*Messages*', for example.

"Don't show" doesn't imply "do nothing", so I see no problem here.

> The doc string should just say that if `save-silently' is non-nil then,
> after showing the message in the echo area, it is cleared.

That's a description of the implementation, so not useful: the source
is always available.  From the user POV I think the message is not
shown, because redisplay doesn't have an opportunity to kick in.

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