From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 24 16:42:42 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2019 21:42:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53140 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijrww-0005fY-98 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:42:42 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:40146) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijrwv-0005fO-6G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:42:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48214) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ijrwu-0008Qr-3P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:42:40 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijrws-0003nK-Pa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:42:39 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:57204) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijrws-0003n5-G0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:42:38 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xBOLe2YT108238 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:42:37 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=MNJrJIeC1ZzebuAJSUT7GC9W0sLDd8ZPDj4BP1LNpV8=; b=RClswmPn2EUK57S8BNHvTl/+De6J53vVjJ9zVBWUN9v2ypM7xRUK4ad+9+0OZhZBr7bt MAX5Ca7Xe5VK90GzV4VqnfeMsQs71gSCnaDHZ1ToCn6Jx8q0CuuwqsDUAzDs0+DypQOS kSteoLmULY5JvB6dsPBdOvHE4UcCJquVfQXZIv+8cHyqJI8Kx36DfhZc5i7rQYlZTQC4 CT97cQdkXSxU7GBADWvhgLqclCVQWRqa0psbWCOwVqNBB7PS49vcRf3RXOF6ouA8uJ0Y 25TdZb/Lky3cB2Wrp+zJveLYWOrBt3y6pVauqI+4KkY+dAF5atyNgKy4X5klf6dlhMoh 1Q== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2x1attn32n-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:42:36 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xBOLJTdW030365 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:42:36 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2x3bre0h1m-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:42:36 +0000 Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id xBOLgZGl013067 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:42:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.3; Doc string of `files--message' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4939.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9481 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=966 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-1912240186 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9481 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-1912240186 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.86 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Doc string: "Like `message', except sometimes don't print to minibuffer. If the variable `save-silently' is non-nil, the message is not displayed on the minibuffer." `message' does not "print to" the minibuffer or "display on" the minibuffer. It shows a message in the echo area. Plus, it's not true that it sometimes does not show the message. What really happens is that the message is sometimes shown and then immediately cleared - it is still logged in `*Messages*', for example. The doc string should just say that if `save-silently' is non-nil then, after showing the message in the echo area, it is cleared. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.17763 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 25 09:51:52 2019 Received: (at 38737-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2019 14:51:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53427 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ik80u-0001LY-6V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 09:51:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39109) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ik80s-0001LL-0o for 38737-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 09:51:50 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ik80m-00016Y-Li; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 09:51:44 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1972 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ik80l-0003Gu-Bk; Wed, 25 Dec 2019 09:51:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 16:51:33 +0200 Message-Id: <83mubgv4p6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:42:34 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#38737: 26.3; Doc string of `files--message' References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38737-done Cc: 38737-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:42:34 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > `message' does not "print to" the minibuffer or "display on" the > minibuffer. It shows a message in the echo area. Thanks, I fixed the wording. > Plus, it's not true that it sometimes does not show the message. What > really happens is that the message is sometimes shown and then > immediately cleared - it is still logged in `*Messages*', for example. "Don't show" doesn't imply "do nothing", so I see no problem here. > The doc string should just say that if `save-silently' is non-nil then, > after showing the message in the echo area, it is cleared. That's a description of the implementation, so not useful: the source is always available. From the user POV I think the message is not shown, because redisplay doesn't have an opportunity to kick in. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:32:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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