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[64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:00:44 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Illustrious-Power: 547cc2e93154ffc5_1576936844337_2634264275 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1576936844336:2118053820 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1576936844336 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a67.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a67.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A7681E3C for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 06:00:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=MnUjByzIOccsuB0MGcjQVJ1OcAc=; b=mMyZMnK/pYhk3ngd p5rtfqlPrM1v4Iwd0tHU3P6+WqT1JHVsjH3WFKwf0I5sMKlGVAJfeUg+G+zUKya0 3MXbzAmT5kotPMu9r9Tg74cUjpL3qDzR3kQo/MHAwYKF0By8wL6RdwADxCTYH+7W UpLE0mla/+v0OZRRTcky9lBuOuM= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-29-55.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.29.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a67.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1C5B81EA0 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 06:00:40 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a67 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Simple keystrokes to change font size Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:59:54 +0800 Message-ID: <87immblvd1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdduhedgheelucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurddvledrheehnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurddvledrheehpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepsghughdqghhnuhdqvghmrggtshesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 23.83.212.6 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) In browsers one need only hit CTRL++ and CTRL+- to increase and decrease font size. Emacs lacks corresponding keys to do the same. In emacs one can still change the font size via the menus, but it is more complicated than the simple _one click_ "+" and "-" buttons in browsers' menus. In emacs there is no way to simply say "make the font bigger, now" like one can do in browsers. Emacs wants to know what font you wish to make what size. One cannot just tell emacs "the current font" and "the next bigger size". So there ought to be keys provided to do that. What luck, C-+ (C-=) is undefined. And C-- runs the command negative-argument. It is bound to -, C--, M--, C-M--. Well it is already on "-", so could surely kindly part with its C-- for the greater good. emacs-version "26.3" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 21 09:22:01 2019 Received: (at 38699) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2019 14:22:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47673 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iifdp-0001JD-9E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 09:22:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37506) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iifdm-0001Ix-H0 for 38699@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 09:21:59 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58464) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iifdg-0003cf-QY; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 09:21:52 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3580 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iifdg-0002LH-8L; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 09:21:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 16:21:34 +0200 Message-Id: <83pnghzrm9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson In-reply-to: <87immblvd1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Subject: Re: bug#38699: Simple keystrokes to change font size References: <87immblvd1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38699 Cc: 38699@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:59:54 +0800 > > In emacs there is no way to simply say "make the font bigger, now" like > one can do in browsers. Emacs wants to know what font you wish to make > what size. One cannot just tell emacs "the current font" and "the next > bigger size". > > So there ought to be keys provided to do that. There are: "C-x C-+" and "C-x C--". In Emacs 27, there's also C-wheel-up and C-wheel-down. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 21 19:43:46 2019 Received: (at 38699) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2019 00:43:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48966 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iipLW-0000P5-Hn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 19:43:46 -0500 Received: from eastern.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.55]:7937) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iipLU-0000Ov-DF for 38699@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 19:43:45 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21921A121B; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 00:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-6-5.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.6.5]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E0D221A104C; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 00:43:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a52.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 22 Dec 2019 00:43:41 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Well-Made-Whistle: 75e744e32ac30bc0_1576975421655_2605770447 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1576975421655:3809029423 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1576975421655 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7137F0E4; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 16:43:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=CUiGyPsMRPyMDV652vpkWSadNn4=; b=OLZR5aKjy7S4Z yP+3FpjzLEsNsoY5XEibAR8F+PtSkJMIEuQHFyn+/wHOml5uUdtKk5Ieu2Hi2hYB 8xsxsSXicyG8tcUcyZrej8uKh44lgFb+CWjD/nuVG8HH2aUavsijfcHaDpHtpZqH Q6Fw81cYTXu6ATa5FGrdM+ClD4+VOM= Received: from jidanni.org (1-170-80-182.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [1.170.80.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 73DB57F181; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 16:43:37 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a52 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38699: Simple keystrokes to change font size References: <87immblvd1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83pnghzrm9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 08:43:33 +0800 Message-ID: <87bls1ur4a.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdduiedgvddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddrudejtddrkedtrddukedvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddrudejtddrkedtrddukedvpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepfeekieelleesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38699 Cc: 38699@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> There are: "C-x C-+" and "C-x C--". In Emacs 27, there's also EZ> C-wheel-up and C-wheel-down. OK very good. Problem is: User uses it. Says "Ah, now I've got it perfect." But there is no additional command to spit out some lisp that he can paste in his .emacs file to make his changes permanent to the next session. No consideration is made that the user might want to save his changes. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 22 12:10:16 2019 Received: (at 38699) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2019 17:10:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ij4kB-0001bd-Iy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:10:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44665) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ij4k9-0001bA-AY; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:10:13 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45741) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ij4k4-0003vV-3H; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:10:08 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1852 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ij4k3-0003PB-F3; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:10:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:09:49 +0200 Message-Id: <835zi8z3qa.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson In-reply-to: <87bls1ur4a.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from =?utf-8?B?56mN?= =?utf-8?B?5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson on Sun, 22 Dec 2019 08:43:33 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#38699: Simple keystrokes to change font size References: <87immblvd1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83pnghzrm9.fsf@gnu.org> <87bls1ur4a.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38699 Cc: 38699@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 38699 notabug close 38699 thanks > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > Cc: 38699@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 08:43:33 +0800 > > >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: > > EZ> There are: "C-x C-+" and "C-x C--". In Emacs 27, there's also > EZ> C-wheel-up and C-wheel-down. > > OK very good. > Problem is: User uses it. Says "Ah, now I've got it perfect." > But there is no additional command to spit out some lisp that he can > paste in his .emacs file to make his changes permanent to the next > session. That's because these commands are explicitly meant for temporary or transient changes, and their effect is buffer-local. If you want to change/customize the _default_ font, there's the Options->Set Default Font menu-bar item, and after selecting a new font size (or an entirely new font), you can select Options->Save Options, and have the change written into your init file. So I don't see a bug here, and I'm therefore closing this bug report. > No consideration is made that the user might want to save his changes. Please in the future try giving us a bit more credit, TIA. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 22 22:29:05 2019 Received: (at 38699) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2019 03:29:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50431 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijEP3-0005ue-Er for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:29:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41439) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijEP2-0005u8-ME for 38699@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:29:04 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51050) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijEOx-0005Ko-56; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:28:59 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3912 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ijEOv-0005Yt-4N; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:28:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 05:28:39 +0200 Message-Id: <83o8vzyb2w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson In-reply-to: <87woanga1r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from =?utf-8?B?56mN?= =?utf-8?B?5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson on Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:28:16 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#38699: Simple keystrokes to change font size References: <87immblvd1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83pnghzrm9.fsf@gnu.org> <87bls1ur4a.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zi8z3qa.fsf@gnu.org> <87woanga1r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38699 Cc: 38699@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > Cc: 38699@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:28:16 +0800 > > Yup proving my point that he cannot change the font size permanently to > something that he can maintain without help from the menus (#38696). Those menu items run the commands menu-set-font and menu-bar-options-save, respectively, and you can invoke them via the keyboard, of course. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 24 13:36:22 2019 Received: (at 38699) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2019 18:36:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53077 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijp2c-0007hA-CQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:36:22 -0500 Received: from mail-pj1-f66.google.com ([209.85.216.66]:55680) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ijp2a-0007gu-80 for 38699@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:36:21 -0500 Received: by mail-pj1-f66.google.com with SMTP id d5so1456309pjz.5 for <38699@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 10:36:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1WMAsbjcFu5/AwZN363OHTb2qLx8CjLyNkIaL3p02zY=; b=py0+699PkG96i6SGT6oCj0SEKX7iaYZB2oWKoPZMXdkmZeScbBz2BDBFOhMpYkCL19 YTOe1wJscwaWImTUH3vPZInjqpoPgX2cr5g9zEGW2oE0zTHYplKX+TCnWMUS4zXFbkiR z6a3nO/lhF0mxxi4m04awd1E6lTLq5/cVThMB1ORTCp0tagJ9F0Q/LXp+gs0QpTvIfl+ +O1W1G324Ws74jqSTResKEJIEJgdvOyGWwpgNpg67JarNaRkmGZqZsAhuL2SNxgp6Hrk Q0B1arUXfnHCiwlN14JBR3b+FD3CR3PLc0d6ZbKq6YYFs+sAj7xKGdu/0RbKBcmfSonp YURQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1WMAsbjcFu5/AwZN363OHTb2qLx8CjLyNkIaL3p02zY=; b=k4lA3TupreJp5HoXZo92RaeV65Hm8L9WRyoi24JUtkm0tjb07CnUDTxD5TCvqeWUSW GSk2yZFq2NmO//20EXiD5V0rgtUnEv4zXsqfgYEDdRbaq1yl/in6BolA4VhO/cLy2vrD PTB88vRECPwlfgWsWcSITYSlP8YQdAA2czA4EtBzfE8VPaAPn+qvCyRLesqddqvChCKJ s5Txm9QXPTZNJb4Al9WRIRtp8MUbI5++rqGy6Zxz8nAttSBWmkIhObCDflPrdFHpkmm6 hwNPwt0q8ZojU6VTFd6GQzvJZ/X2pXzoSmkOWhZz1BvFDqnyI8xo0rTAQW573LAKaI4N KcBA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWud9L1XwOh+Vv9ZPKJ4cMFnmWjvey0KYfnNw/PMM+nOJa1uHfs X6bg6EheF8z6O5FWiMdP/fCQBBcZmLpBMyaczCk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxtcowZ8NDE06EOIv+rlITxUMzGnPFOeZ88gCNij7yJrBp5LDxlSfy0To+rxMa0B7+UJCIy93mlMJjIYGdi8kQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8547:: with SMTP id d7mr38302507plo.44.1577212574017; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 10:36:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83pnghzrm9.fsf@gnu.org> <87immblvd1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87bls1ur4a.5.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87bls1ur4a.5.fsf@jidanni.org> From: Eduardo Ochs Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 15:36:02 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: `text-scale-increase', `menu-set-font', and sexps To: =?UTF-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8IERhbiBKYWNvYnNvbg==?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38699 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 38699@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi all, Let me take Dan Jacobson's proposal one step further. I changed the subject of the thread, so here is a link to his message: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2019-12/msg00897.html I use a laptop with a screen resolution that is low compared to modern standards - 1280x800 - and because of that I prefer to choose my Emacs fonts by hand from the ones listed by: xlsfonts | grep -v ^- | sort | uniq When I want to change to another font I usually run `M-x font', that displays a temporary buffer with the sexps below (plus some cruft): (set-frame-font "5x7") (set-frame-font "fixed") (set-frame-font "6x13") (set-frame-font "9x15") (set-frame-font "10x20") (set-frame-font "Monospace 7") (set-frame-font "Monospace 9") (set-frame-font "Monospace 10") (set-frame-font "Monospace 11") (set-frame-font "Monospace 12") (set-frame-font "Monospace 22") and I choose a font, or try the fonts, from there by typing `M-e' on a sexp; my `M-e' is roughly equivalent `C-e C-x C-e'. I spent about one hour playing with the functions in lisp/face-remap.el - `text-scale-increase' and friends - a few days ago, but I didn't get very far... Please, please, PLEASE, make them more hacker-friendly! AFAICT the current comments in lisp/face-remap.el don't even say how we can play with `face-remapping-alist' in low-level ways... By the way, I just played a bit with the source code of `menu-set-font' at (describe-function 'menu-set-font) using this, (fboundp 'x-select-font) (setq myfont (x-select-font)) (setq myfont (mouse-select-font)) myfont and I realized that I don't know how to convert the value of myfont - a # thing - into something that has a read-able syntax. Hints very welcome, and sorry if this is something that everybody is supposed to know =3D). Cheers & thanks in advance, Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/#eev http://angg.twu.net/emacsconf2019.html http://angg.twu.net/e/emacs.e.html#menu-set-font http://angg.twu.net/e/emacs.e.html#text-scale-increase On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 at 21:44, =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson wrote: > > >>>>> "EZ" =3D=3D Eli Zaretskii writes: > > EZ> There are: "C-x C-+" and "C-x C--". In Emacs 27, there's also > EZ> C-wheel-up and C-wheel-down. > > OK very good. > Problem is: User uses it. Says "Ah, now I've got it perfect." > But there is no additional command to spit out some lisp that he can > paste in his .emacs file to make his changes permanent to the next > session. > > No consideration is made that the user might want to save his changes. 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