From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:29:14 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#38466 <38466@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#38466 <38466@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.3; Gnus setting large-newsgroup-initial to "All"/nil defaults to gnus-large-newsgroup if display is set to all Reply-To: bug#38466 <38466@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:29:14 +0000 retitle 38466 26.3; Gnus setting large-newsgroup-initial to "All"/nil defau= lts to gnus-large-newsgroup if display is set to all reassign 38466 emacs submitter 38466 Allen Li severity 38466 normal tag 38466 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 02 23:24:50 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Dec 2019 04:24:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ibzk2-0004e2-IM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:24:50 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36751) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ibzk1-0004dk-44 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:24:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44952) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ibzjz-0005uN-NH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:24:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ibzjy-0001aE-KB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:24:47 -0500 Received: from mail-pf1-x436.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::436]:41510) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ibzjw-0001XK-JK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:24:45 -0500 Received: by mail-pf1-x436.google.com with SMTP id s18so1165195pfd.8 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:24:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=felesatra-moe.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=3lX3+v9R+47RVcTImNSB8Pd47Qv6oJOPlWsKo+VUQK0=; b=lv7Q9FPrEkD3q8TIUZXEGMXBT/jvCdF07NUSWKPS9dnm2e8/TpLlijfugT/W0RINQX vIKl75Ye2cEhteoe8sBTcZkcEGFdLPlUgSB92U2B0BiuXUtzxyT6LslyBE4dOMGp6bh2 Ps7CuGK2PN/ZVqfQ6D2It9ec1AuUCSa+u9oJAADSOqJVnJIstCpxhIaGdu6oObDw48z1 xaBPWd9zrr6b3Io95d22JSi3bC/jpm+BmxXB1+mEeRLbjKOKPcrU5cbQCmSJwQWwRYfk 5UWj/ugjJySvWojtfOTRGoMwUPbgUt0K/yWHuWBcanzZgJg5Tu4+ppbYHeg1y9xLisv1 uXbA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=3lX3+v9R+47RVcTImNSB8Pd47Qv6oJOPlWsKo+VUQK0=; b=WIe9+tOC4NC3xJCb4Qew19xmYvQP0Kr8MclZAAhJbSj1gevqIEzG4iHR2jOsa9XYtJ aDAu1SI40veYFPZWweW6bW0E60NcOQim3g/JA92enden4b+Aq657Cba8qsn/CGZOxluK lrk87de4ADQNvXEWTZyqrBB9HRPuZ/ET4OyO2EOW7KuzfNFNTFzhxltXRJXrb5zAaiJQ eBHnWuP93a/WHrD5BGdlkYvQyTnKhPtObYUwuiw2QukrmUjk/zRRMBuZSmT6Nh/f9bLl PK2M+5MNMZ6oNfuJpYPsuP1vNodhp0CrB/h7UtsPCp7e/Q1Wwa014CDOb3GZT7GqVTSh ZO7A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUYrnqJtr6kxiU8DoRzT7HLlKYvCxAB0NT5mIyv6efM2rtRV3EN 5kglcRX9V/h+bMj6bwkwYglyySd+q8c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzBV6waulM6yKuax0A1HbKKRoCzuKckwpVQbyO20OabVIEi/JDEn4gs8/eTWZHzca56A8Vpxg== X-Received: by 2002:a62:4e4e:: with SMTP id c75mr2730988pfb.144.1575347080291; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([2600:1700:7270:7d1f:fa59:71ff:fe00:10cc]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q22sm1179126pfg.170.2019.12.02.20.24.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:24:39 -0800 (PST) From: Allen Li To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.3; Gnus setting large-newsgroup-initial to "All"/nil defaults to gnus-large-newsgroup if display is set to all Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:23:15 -0800 Message-ID: <80h82i9gwc.fsf@felesatra.moe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::436 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Setting the group parameter large-newsgroup-initial to nil (meaning "All") makes the default number of articles to show when prompted to be the max, when there are more articles than gnus-large-newsgroup. However, the default is equal to gnus-large-newsgroup if the group parameter display is also set to all. This is annoying when viewing nnimap groups where I want to show all messages by default. Due to the way group size estimation works by subtracting min/max article numbers, the estimate for nnimap groups is often very inflated, so I am almost always prompted to enter the number of articles to show, which defaults to gnus-large-newsgroup rather than the max. I don't want to disable gnus-large-newsgroup entirely since it's useful for actual newsgroups. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.10) of 2019-08-29 built on juergen Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12006000 System Description: Arch Linux From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 19 10:55:18 2020 Received: (at 38466) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2020 14:55:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60987 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jxAik-0000Ke-CY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:55:18 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34444) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jxAif-0000KL-KZ for 38466@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:55:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=muKWG3NiFlrjlOdo0O+Eoe9UEbXz8VOBNlv3sLMkVck=; b=PwUPJ6ZS4ZA5gJaiSZ9PTRU0mN 1aHIiOCmTdmjG3m2W+No9WbdqcgyFGhESwHKt5lG+lkukgJYJBLxfXTEOqIVXcew7y/PfsekuE3j2 mKsl9SRCp3a7fyUUiA2/MU+UeIE//uW9VXRAk54FdlTF6bjSWETU++QCnJKqosFiRLZk=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jxAiT-00072y-UI; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:55:06 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Allen Li Subject: Re: bug#38466: 26.3; Gnus setting large-newsgroup-initial to "All"/nil defaults to gnus-large-newsgroup if display is set to all References: <80h82i9gwc.fsf@felesatra.moe> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:55:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <80h82i9gwc.fsf@felesatra.moe> (Allen Li's message of "Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:23:15 -0800") Message-ID: <87mu3vpnaz.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Allen Li writes: > Setting the group parameter large-newsgroup-initial to nil (meaning > "All") makes the default number of articles to show when prompted to be > the max, when there are more articles than gnus-large- [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38466 Cc: 38466@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Allen Li writes: > Setting the group parameter large-newsgroup-initial to nil (meaning > "All") makes the default number of articles to show when prompted to be > the max, when there are more articles than gnus-large-newsgroup. > > However, the default is equal to gnus-large-newsgroup if the group > parameter display is also set to all. Yes... I can't quite see how this has ever worked? In general, it's impossible to distinguish between a parameter not being present and the parameter being nil, I think? So the "use all the articles" value has to be something other than nil for this to work. Perhaps t? Or am I misunderstanding something here, and this really does work for somebody? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 02 08:33:01 2020 Received: (at 38466) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2020 12:33:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41889 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k2DAj-0002KT-CD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2020 08:33:01 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:32772) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k2DAg-0002K2-KP for 38466@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2020 08:32:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cvA03eRq8ypNuN3iWCgqKUHP/cHaPxWxe5vh8ZKawBU=; b=R/l8/+VbsLo0vLr0jQ/aQRP+L6 +afkpoKlJBLiKaIWItckA5dmoSYh+azOLEjQ6nBJeXNs0gkRj3c+QIbZL9mJGX0p095rAumcdfSgn Skct+T4vVq24QC+lrypjUnOsyC9JpoUv/7T6SOnFU+hb8IIP21iwBXgP9XiYmWQ8LHSg=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k2DAX-00013p-5m; Sun, 02 Aug 2020 14:32:51 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Allen Li Subject: Re: bug#38466: 26.3; Gnus setting large-newsgroup-initial to "All"/nil defaults to gnus-large-newsgroup if display is set to all References: <80h82i9gwc.fsf@felesatra.moe> <87mu3vpnaz.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 14:32:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87mu3vpnaz.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:55:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87wo2hi5xs.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > So the "use all the articles" value has to be something other than nil > for this to work. Perhaps t? I've made the value for "All" the symbol `all' in Emacs 28.1. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38466 Cc: 38466@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > So the "use all the articles" value has to be something other than nil > for this to work. Perhaps t? 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