From unknown Mon Jun 16 23:35:49 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#3833 <3833@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#3833 <3833@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files Reply-To: bug#3833 <3833@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 06:35:49 +0000 retitle 3833 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files reassign 3833 emacs submitter 3833 Eli Zaretskii severity 3833 normal thanks From eliz@gnu.org Sun Jul 12 11:07:04 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jul 2009 18:07:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,RCVD_IN_SBLXBL, RCVD_IN_SBLXBL_CBL autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6CI70A8006694 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:07:01 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:50592) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ3Rz-0004UA-Lt for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:06:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ3Ry-0007ms-LE for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:06:59 -0400 Received: from mtaout4.012.net.il ([84.95.2.10]:17702 helo=mtaout3.012.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ3Rg-0007jL-39 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:06:58 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KMO00D00KYOVL00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:06:34 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.66.189]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KMO005OQKYY8880@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:06:34 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:06:34 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <83bpnpsrmd.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 I restarted Emacs today on one of my machines (because I built a new version), and suddenly some of the files I worked on in the previous session were not visited by Emacs. It took time for me to find which files I was working on, because I don't keep records of all of the files I have in my session: I trust desktop.el to do that. Looking in desktop.el, I see that desktop-buffers-not-to-save intentionally omits buffers whose names end in ".log" and a couple others. Sure thing, the files that were not visited after restarting ended in ".log". I think that variable's default should be nil. I think it is up to the user to decide that she doesn't want to record some of the buffers/files. It is no business of desktop.el to decide for the user. Especially since there is no way of telling desktop.el to override the value of desktop-buffers-not-to-save for some specific buffer, short of renaming the buffer. Similarly with desktop-files-not-to-save: its default should be nil, IMO. In GNU Emacs 23.0.96.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-11 on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1255 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Mail Minor modes in effect: flyspell-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t temp-buffer-resize-mode: t line-number-mode: t abbrev-mode: t From cyd@stupidchicken.com Sun Jul 12 11:44:38 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jul 2009 18:44:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pantheon-po26.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po26.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.121]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6CIiWW4011830 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:44:34 -0700 Received: from furry (c-71-192-161-14.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [71.192.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po26.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6CIiRRs012469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:44:27 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2DEF1C09B; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:44:27 -0400 Message-ID: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) > Looking in desktop.el, I see that desktop-buffers-not-to-save > intentionally omits buffers whose names end in ".log" and a couple > others. Sure thing, the files that were not visited after restarting > ended in ".log". > > I think that variable's default should be nil. I think it is up to > the user to decide that she doesn't want to record some of the > buffers/files. It is no business of desktop.el to decide for the > user. Especially since there is no way of telling desktop.el to > override the value of desktop-buffers-not-to-save for some specific > buffer, short of renaming the buffer. I agree that .log should be removed. However, the two other items seem to make sense: Gnus and FTP sessions, because desktop.el can't recreate those. If you'd like to remove .log, please go ahead and do so on the trunk. > Similarly with desktop-files-not-to-save: its default should be nil, > IMO. These are remote (Tramp/ange-ftp) files. Again, I think the rationale is that desktop.el can't recreate them properly. From eliz@gnu.org Sun Jul 12 12:46:57 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jul 2009 19:46:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_SBLXBL, RCVD_IN_SBLXBL_CBL,SARE_WEOFFER autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout1.012.net.il (mtaout1.012.net.il [84.95.2.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6CJkpkr022398 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:46:53 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout1.012.net.il by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KMO00B00NRGYI00@i-mtaout1.012.net.il> for 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:46:45 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.66.189]) by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KMO004OXPLVZ2B0@i-mtaout1.012.net.il>; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:46:44 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:46:43 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files In-reply-to: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Chong Yidong Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:44:27 -0400 > > I agree that .log should be removed. However, the two other items seem > to make sense: Gnus and FTP sessions, because desktop.el can't recreate > those. The fact that Gnus makes buffers named nn.a7 does not mean there cannot be a file or buffer by that name that has nothing to do with Gnus. Likewise, there can legitimately be a file or buffer named literally "(ftp)". If these are names of buffers that many users would like to omit, we can make them one of the choices we offer, but I don't think we should make them the default. Also, I think desktop.el should check that buffers mentioned in desktop-buffers-not-to-save don't have an associated file. Files should be mentioned in desktop-files-not-to-save. > If you'd like to remove .log, please go ahead and do so on the > trunk. Done. > > Similarly with desktop-files-not-to-save: its default should be nil, > > IMO. > > These are remote (Tramp/ange-ftp) files. Only mostly so. They can be regular files as well. > Again, I think the rationale is that desktop.el can't recreate them > properly. Why not? If they exist on the remote host, I think it can. From reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc Sun Jul 12 13:21:26 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jul 2009 20:21:26 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de (mail.uni-ulm.de [134.60.1.11]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6CKLKqB028977 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:21:22 -0700 Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.175]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n6CKLIp8015515; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:21:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EE713933; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:21:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Reiner Steib To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Face: /U7=m^"/-Dn61mAl{g9e3>\G5Tp,oEX|V)g2I1hBk\ML;)7A?6cmB-y7y?'NA^J<=oz7syB =(McAwIHgLX!.B?R3X}98d@?>CrT094KLWh]WU4gDpnL/")MS(XoQTv`Oq225uL>+;CpPXo$N5e>N> $tPd-gbB^F{gQS#1ase]XO~D4p4M"3+F-7~u]dy3I?Pb8RO*H-EFeWDUf?Rf,d]pv\Jvh2Cht!A=im yKAS2Z%Ao^;}W/qzMvMm Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , 3833@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong Reply-To: Reiner Steib Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:21:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:46:43 +0300") Message-ID: <871volveip.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-INFN-TO-Metrics: poseidon 1233; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new On Sun, Jul 12 2009, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Chong Yidong [ desktop-buffers-not-to-save ] >> I agree that .log should be removed. However, the two other items seem >> to make sense: Gnus and FTP sessions, because desktop.el can't recreate >> those. > > The fact that Gnus makes buffers named nn.a7 does not mean there > cannot be a file or buffer by that name that has nothing to do with > Gnus. BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching "^nn\\.a[0-9]+". Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From juri@jurta.org Sun Jul 12 13:43:55 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Jul 2009 20:43:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mx2.starman.ee (smtp-out2.starman.ee [85.253.0.4]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6CKhmAR032420 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:43:50 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx2.starman.ee Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.68.11.cable.starman.ee [82.131.68.11]) by mx2.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6156F3F4098; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:43:43 +0300 (EEST) From: Juri Linkov To: Chong Yidong Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files Organization: JURTA References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:35:01 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:44:27 -0400") Message-ID: <87ocrp64l6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> I think that variable's default should be nil. I think it is up to >> the user to decide that she doesn't want to record some of the >> buffers/files. It is no business of desktop.el to decide for the >> user. Especially since there is no way of telling desktop.el to >> override the value of desktop-buffers-not-to-save for some specific >> buffer, short of renaming the buffer. > > I agree that .log should be removed. However, the two other items seem > to make sense: Gnus and FTP sessions, because desktop.el can't recreate > those. If you'd like to remove .log, please go ahead and do so on the > trunk. I find the value ".log" useful because it helps not to load usually large log files, but I agree that this should be a personal preference because it is natural to expect that desktop.el will restore all files it can recreate. As for Gnus and FTP sessions, we could try to ignore them using `desktop-modes-not-to-save' or `desktop-buffer-mode-handlers' if they have a non-default mode. >> Similarly with desktop-files-not-to-save: its default should be nil, >> IMO. > > These are remote (Tramp/ange-ftp) files. Again, I think the rationale > is that desktop.el can't recreate them properly. recentf.el uses two predicates `file-remote-p' and `file-readable-p' to decide which files should be kept. Maybe desktop.el should do the same? -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/ From cyd@stupidchicken.com Sun Jul 12 19:06:21 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Jul 2009 02:06:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.124]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6D26Gic022685 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:06:18 -0700 Received: from furry (c-71-192-161-14.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [71.192.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6D26AE3024916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:11 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 68ED3C09B; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> <871volveip.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871volveip.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (Reiner Steib's message of "Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:21:18 +0200") Message-ID: <87ocrp72wd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) Reiner Steib writes: > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+". I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match. From eliz@gnu.org Sun Jul 12 19:47:48 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Jul 2009 02:47:49 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_SBLXBL,RCVD_IN_SBLXBL_CBL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il (mtaout7.012.net.il [84.95.2.19]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6D2lhaY028828 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:47:44 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout7.012.net.il by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KMP00A008OHY000@i-mtaout7.012.net.il> for 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:47:36 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.66.189]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KMP003AS93CZL80@i-mtaout7.012.net.il>; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:47:36 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:47:36 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files In-reply-to: <87ocrp72wd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Chong Yidong Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <8363dxs3hz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> <871volveip.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87ocrp72wd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:10 -0400 > > Reiner Steib writes: > > > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching > > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+". > > I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match. OK to remove that as well? From cyd@stupidchicken.com Sun Jul 12 21:30:11 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Jul 2009 04:30:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.124]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6D4U68l012905 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:30:08 -0700 Received: from furry (c-71-192-161-14.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [71.192.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6D4U0F6015531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:30:01 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6EBB8C09B; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:30:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> <871volveip.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87ocrp72wd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8363dxs3hz.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:30:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8363dxs3hz.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:47:36 +0300") Message-ID: <871vol6w8n.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Chong Yidong >> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com >> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:10 -0400 >> >> Reiner Steib writes: >> >> > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching >> > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+". >> >> I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match. > > OK to remove that as well? This is the original ChangeLog entry. Ring any bells to you? 1994-02-04 Morten Welinder (terra@tyr.diku.dk) * desktop.el (desktop-buffers-not-to-save): Add regexp for "nn" temporary files. If not, it's probably historical baggage, so let's delete it. From eliz@gnu.org Mon Jul 13 11:48:15 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Jul 2009 18:48:15 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_SBLXBL,RCVD_IN_SBLXBL_CBL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il (mtaout7.012.net.il [84.95.2.19]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6DIm9Lk031357 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:48:11 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout7.012.net.il by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KMQ00I00HG4RX00@i-mtaout7.012.net.il> for 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:48:03 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.66.189]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KMQ008BOHK2UWA0@i-mtaout7.012.net.il>; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:48:03 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:48:02 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files In-reply-to: <871vol6w8n.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Chong Yidong , Morten Welinder Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <833a90s9lp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> <871volveip.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87ocrp72wd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8363dxs3hz.fsf@gnu.org> <871vol6w8n.fsf@stupidchicken.com> > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:30:00 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Chong Yidong > >> Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > >> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:06:10 -0400 > >> > >> Reiner Steib writes: > >> > >> > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching > >> > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+". > >> > >> I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match. > > > > OK to remove that as well? > > This is the original ChangeLog entry. Ring any bells to you? No, but we can ask Morten. Morten, do you remember anything about why you added "^nn\\.a[0-9]+" to desktop-buffers-not-to-save? Here's the log entry: > 1994-02-04 Morten Welinder (terra@tyr.diku.dk) > > * desktop.el (desktop-buffers-not-to-save): Add regexp for "nn" > temporary files. > > If not, it's probably historical baggage, so let's delete it. From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Tue Jul 14 13:04:03 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Jul 2009 20:04:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6EK3ueP000474 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:03:57 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4EAMuBXEpMCpbp/2dsb2JhbACBUdBXhAgFhm4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,399,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="41600639" Received: from 76-10-150-233.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.150.233]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2009 16:03:30 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CCD147EF7; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:03:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files Message-ID: References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:03:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:46:43 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Also, I think desktop.el should check that buffers mentioned in > desktop-buffers-not-to-save don't have an associated file. Files > should be mentioned in desktop-files-not-to-save. That's the actually bug to fix, yes. Stefan From eliz@gnu.org Thu Jul 16 11:24:48 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Jul 2009 18:24:49 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il (mtaout4.012.net.il [84.95.2.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6GIOh3u028979 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:24:45 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KMW003000FFS000@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:24:37 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.207.26]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KMW0079O0H14OC0@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:24:37 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:24:37 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files In-reply-to: <833a90s9lp.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <838wioqye2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> <871volveip.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87ocrp72wd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8363dxs3hz.fsf@gnu.org> <871vol6w8n.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <833a90s9lp.fsf@gnu.org> > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:48:02 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > > > >> > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching > > >> > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+". > > >> > > >> I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match. > > > > > > OK to remove that as well? > > > > This is the original ChangeLog entry. Ring any bells to you? > > No, but we can ask Morten. > > Morten, do you remember anything about why you added "^nn\\.a[0-9]+" > to desktop-buffers-not-to-save? Here's the log entry: > > > 1994-02-04 Morten Welinder (terra@tyr.diku.dk) > > > > * desktop.el (desktop-buffers-not-to-save): Add regexp for "nn" > > temporary files. > > > > If not, it's probably historical baggage, so let's delete it. Morten replied (in a private email) that this goes back to the "No News" newsreader, which is now RIP. So unless someone hollers, I will remove the "^nn\\.a[0-9]+" pattern from desktop-buffers-not-to-save. From eliz@gnu.org Sat Jul 18 05:00:15 2009 Received: (at 3833) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Jul 2009 12:00:15 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il (mtaout4.012.net.il [84.95.2.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6IC092c025221 for <3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:00:11 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KMZ00600803FT00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:00:03 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.207.26]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KMZ00BTL803CJF0@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:00:03 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:00:04 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 3833@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <83ws66p5ff.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, Chong Yidong > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:03:45 -0400 > > > Also, I think desktop.el should check that buffers mentioned in > > desktop-buffers-not-to-save don't have an associated file. Files > > should be mentioned in desktop-files-not-to-save. > > That's the actually bug to fix, yes. Done. From eliz@gnu.org Sat Jul 18 04:59:43 2009 Received: (at 3833-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Jul 2009 11:59:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il (mtaout3.012.net.il [84.95.2.7]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6IBxc7R025142 for <3833-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:59:40 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KMZ00H007XC7F00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for 3833-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:59:32 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.207.26]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KMZ00M1L7Z8RRF0@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:59:32 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:59:32 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3833: 23.0.96; Default for desktop-buffers-not-to-save omits files In-reply-to: <838wioqye2.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: 3833-done@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: <83y6qmp5gb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eislivw4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <838witsmzg.fsf@gnu.org> <871volveip.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87ocrp72wd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8363dxs3hz.fsf@gnu.org> <871vol6w8n.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <833a90s9lp.fsf@gnu.org> <838wioqye2.fsf@gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:24:37 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com > > > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:48:02 +0300 > > From: Eli Zaretskii > > Cc: 3833@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > > > > > >> > BTW, I can't find a place in Gnus that creates buffers matching > > > >> > "^nn\\.a[0-9]+". > > > >> > > > >> I guess I was mistaken. No idea what those buffers match. > > > > > > > > OK to remove that as well? > > > > > > This is the original ChangeLog entry. Ring any bells to you? > > > > No, but we can ask Morten. > > > > Morten, do you remember anything about why you added "^nn\\.a[0-9]+" > > to desktop-buffers-not-to-save? Here's the log entry: > > > > > 1994-02-04 Morten Welinder (terra@tyr.diku.dk) > > > > > > * desktop.el (desktop-buffers-not-to-save): Add regexp for "nn" > > > temporary files. > > > > > > If not, it's probably historical baggage, so let's delete it. > > Morten replied (in a private email) that this goes back to the "No > News" newsreader, which is now RIP. > > So unless someone hollers, I will remove the "^nn\\.a[0-9]+" pattern > from desktop-buffers-not-to-save. Done. From unknown Mon Jun 16 23:35:49 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: $requester Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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