From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:04:58 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#38315 <38315@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#38315 <38315@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.3; Emacs manual: please index Alt key for node User Input Reply-To: bug#38315 <38315@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:04:58 +0000 retitle 38315 26.3; Emacs manual: please index Alt key for node User Input reassign 38315 emacs submitter 38315 Drew Adams severity 38315 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 21 16:18:02 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2019 21:18:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iXtpw-000322-Dj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:18:02 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:37550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iXtpt-00031t-To for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Thu, 21 Nov 2019 21:17:48 +0000 Received: from abhmp0010.oracle.com (abhmp0010.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xALLHlJR006262 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 21:17:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:17:47 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.3; Emacs manual: please index Alt key for node User Input X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4927.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9448 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-1911210177 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9448 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-1911210177 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.78 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) There are index entries for the Alt key on MS Windows, but there is no index entry for node `User Input', where it is mentioned in a general context (not just MS Windows). Please add an index entry for this. These are the current index entries containing "alt" that refer to an Alt key: - vs M- (MS-Windows) key (MS-Windows) Alt key (MS-Windows) Alt key invokes menu (Windows) AltGr (MS-Windows) M- vs - (MS-Windows) ns-alternate-modifier ns-right-alternate-modifier w32-alt-is-meta w32-pass-alt-to-system w32-recognize-altgr (I had to look for "meta" in the index to find the mention of the Alt key in node `User Input'.) In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.17763 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 22 02:29:18 2019 Received: (at 38315) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2019 07:29:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53658 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iY3NW-000644-Gz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:29:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56094) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iY3NU-00063s-Ac for 38315@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:29:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49474) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iY3NO-0005nu-J2; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:29:10 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2474 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iY3NM-0002CT-Hq; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:29:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:29:23 +0200 Message-Id: <83zhgower0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:17:47 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#38315: 26.3; Emacs manual: please index Alt key for node User Input References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38315 Cc: 38315@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:17:47 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > There are index entries for the Alt key on MS Windows, but there is no > index entry for node `User Input', where it is mentioned in a general > context (not just MS Windows). Please add an index entry for this. What would that index entry index in that node? That node has no Windows-specific information or issues, AFAICT. > These are the current index entries containing "alt" that refer to an > Alt key: > > - vs M- (MS-Windows) > key (MS-Windows) > Alt key (MS-Windows) > Alt key invokes menu (Windows) > AltGr (MS-Windows) > M- vs - (MS-Windows) > > ns-alternate-modifier > ns-right-alternate-modifier > w32-alt-is-meta > w32-pass-alt-to-system > w32-recognize-altgr > > (I had to look for "meta" in the index to find the mention of the Alt > key in node `User Input'.) Please describe, step by step, what subject/topic did you look for, how did you look for it (i.e. what index entries you tried), and how did you eventually find it. Without the whole story, I'm afraid I cannot understand what exactly was missing in your use case and how best to fix that. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 22 12:37:00 2019 Received: (at 38315) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Nov 2019 17:37:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55442 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iYCrb-0007HD-Vk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:37:00 -0500 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:46172) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iYCrZ-0007Gz-CG for 38315@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:36:58 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xAMHYio3078997; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:36:51 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=MhoTatVg83ITqC5xYmuGBj+UftXL/+MCsBoPCzLtqTQ=; b=Nx2JQRNmtrzEPEIJKCbo6HwmY7O5rZKm66FOXdTWtuTj+dNnOfCWu5aprvLERvh6FAom oAUecw7ACZlsFtsXOWxHd4i2t8+08peTbbtpn/uwdcFo6lX0c7NyS+A+PLL4kgDmvIuL ywjEgCDzRC49OnDTFPAxCqV4Npn/c7biwtpC2NYXPp6X1eopvf7znpdvZ9uEItF87Muu J85v1lNJjCqutfW/Ecja24gFEBuswrcujl7iFdMcJYY1qUHBUdPnnODuytIQX+lY8HJd /fNDIB+nfdDFk2pq/z1ygaw/ftZlTOU0eTR4DaX/J/EadKx9q3qUuoNKEcn/Gi14R0HU HA== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2wa92qc07r-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:36:51 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xAMHYGWW124307; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:36:50 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2we6g7e4qt-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:36:50 +0000 Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id xAMHakgJ025646; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:36:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <538175a2-b6e2-43e0-98f3-f26bbc631821@default> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#38315: 26.3; Emacs manual: please index Alt key for node User Input References: <> <<83zhgower0.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83zhgower0.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4927.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9448 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-1911220150 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9448 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-1911220150 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38315 Cc: 38315@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > There are index entries for the Alt key on MS > > Windows, but there is no index entry for node > > `User Input', where it is mentioned in a general > > context (not just MS Windows). Please add an > > index entry for this. >=20 > What would that index entry index in that node? That > node has no Windows-specific information or issues, AFAICT. Precisely. This is not about MS Windows, just as that node is not about MS Windows. It's about the `Alt' key and the `A-' modifier. > > These are the current index entries containing > > "alt" that refer to an Alt key: > > > > - vs M- (MS-Windows) > > key (MS-Windows) > > Alt key (MS-Windows) > > Alt key invokes menu (Windows) > > AltGr (MS-Windows) > > M- vs - (MS-Windows) > > > > ns-alternate-modifier > > ns-right-alternate-modifier > > w32-alt-is-meta > > w32-pass-alt-to-system > > w32-recognize-altgr > > > > (I had to look for "meta" in the index to find the > > mention of the Alt key in node `User Input'.) >=20 > Please describe, step by step, what subject/topic did you look for, > how did you look for it (i.e. what index entries you tried), and how > did you eventually find it. Without the whole story, I'm afraid I > cannot understand what exactly was missing in your use case and how > best to fix that. I looked for info about the `Alt' key and the `A-' modifier, using `i' (with substring matching). I was not looking for info specific to MS Windows. Luckily, I was pretty sure that there was some info about this, even though I couldn't find it by looking with `i' for matches for `alt'. I eventually found it by looking for matches for `meta'. My search for it was to point users to it who had questions about it: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/53918/capital-a-meaning-in-emacs-= syntax https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/44889/what-is-the-a-binding If you don't feel there is a missing index entry for this then fine, that's on you. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 23 06:41:53 2019 Received: (at 38315-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2019 11:41:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55846 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iYTnT-0002Yt-Ja for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 06:41:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iYTn3-0002YI-Cb for 38315-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 06:41:30 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58154) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYTmx-0004y9-QZ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 06:41:19 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2395 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iYTmw-0006KF-L0; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 06:41:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 13:41:15 +0200 Message-Id: <837e3qvmzo.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <538175a2-b6e2-43e0-98f3-f26bbc631821@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:36:45 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#38315: 26.3; Emacs manual: please index Alt key for node User Input References: <> <<83zhgower0.fsf@gnu.org>> <538175a2-b6e2-43e0-98f3-f26bbc631821@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38315-done Cc: 38315-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 38315@debbugs.gnu.org > > I looked for info about the `Alt' key and the `A-' > modifier, using `i' (with substring matching). > I was not looking for info specific to MS Windows. > > Luckily, I was pretty sure that there was some info > about this, even though I couldn't find it by looking > with `i' for matches for `alt'. I eventually found > it by looking for matches for `meta'. > > My search for it was to point users to it who had > questions about it: > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/53918/capital-a-meaning-in-emacs-syntax > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/44889/what-is-the-a-binding Thanks. The place where Alt, Hyper, and Super are described is not "User Input", so the index entry should lead to a different node. Anyway, I added a few missing index entries for the modifier keys, including in "User Input". From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:04:58 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator