From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38154: Man-follow-manual-reference could be as sharp as M-x man itself Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 15:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 38154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.157331243914131 (code B ref -1); Sat, 09 Nov 2019 15:14:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2019 15:13:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50170 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTSR5-0003fr-Je for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:13:59 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:57349) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTSR3-0003fi-An for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:13:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45653) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iTSR2-0000ZD-2h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:13:57 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iTSR0-0006df-Ro for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:13:55 -0500 Received: from crane.ash.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.222.43]:20713) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iTSR0-0006aF-1k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:13:54 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BC320E58 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-14-250.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.14.250]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 03D5F20F74 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:13:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sat, 09 Nov 2019 15:13:48 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Turn-Company: 4cbb546707193d4e_1573312428228_2588941281 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1573312428228:3645435951 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1573312428228 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688ACA4692 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 07:13:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=++NdbjLG/09GOEIq3o cyEtxCCiM=; b=KUauj9qGFHC0/86GOJVc8kf9u4slgRnyXu+pcKdvJYPCSX4eMW Z/hg9p9yUQGDLMsoHI/uMRgzmP2C0nUCOnycpcAEvqSgRRs3rb8xFAkYuzyd6nQH aBhTl3oekGOpDTjGhL+n+9fPSqO4KgzcC7aN5nXTN5AZLuJTyy7KwBs70= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-21-181.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.21.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a20.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E7E96A464B for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 07:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a20 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 19:18:27 +0800 Message-ID: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 23.83.222.43 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) On a man page with SEE ALSO v.segment, v.split, v.to.rast, v.to.db how come m runs the command man, which is an interactive autoloaded comp Lisp function in =E2=80=98man.el=E2=80=99. still works (knows what man page we want) when placed on top of any of the four. But r runs the command Man-follow-manual-reference, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in =E2=80=98man.el=E2=80=99. doesn't find any of them! Sure, I'll tell the authors to use SEE ALSO v.segment(1grass), v.split(1grass), v.to.rast(1grass), v.to.db= (1grass) but in the meantime, Man-follow-manual-reference should be beefed up... emacs-version "26.3" Yes one can argue "well do you want Man-follow-manual-reference to catch every "if, and, or but" in the SEE ALSO section? Well as a matter of fact yes. Might as well. (Please fix Man-follow-manual-reference to find them all, even if far from the cursor too. Don't have it say "There are no references in the cu= rrent man page".) From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38154: Man-follow-manual-reference could be as sharp as M-x man itself Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 15:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38154.157331485218109 (code B ref 38154); Sat, 09 Nov 2019 15:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 38154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2019 15:54:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50187 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTT40-0004i1-FY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:54:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40343) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iTT3y-0004ho-QK for 38154@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:54:11 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40630) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iTT3t-0005MJ-3U; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:54:05 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4369 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iTT3s-0007sg-B0; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 10:54:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 17:53:58 +0200 Message-Id: <83tv7d82qx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 19:18:27 +0800 > > Sure, I'll tell the authors to use > > SEE ALSO > v.segment(1grass), v.split(1grass), v.to.rast(1grass), v.to.db(1grass) > > but in the meantime, Man-follow-manual-reference should be beefed up... FWIW, I'm not at all sure. It's an invalid man page (a.k.a. "bug"), so why should we support it? From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38154: Man-follow-manual-reference could be as sharp as M-x man itself Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Received: via spool by 38154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38154.15737110639925 (code B ref 38154); Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 38154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2019 05:57:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60696 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV88V-0002a1-Ge for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:57:43 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49750) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV88T-0002Zi-0N for 38154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:57:41 -0500 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iV88K-0000oO-In; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:57:34 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83tv7d82qx.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:57:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83tv7d82qx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 09 Nov 2019 17:53:58 +0200") Message-ID: <874kz7q9tg.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Sure, I'll tell the authors to use >> >> SEE ALSO >> v.segment(1grass), v.split(1grass), v.to.rast(1grass), v.to.db(1grass) >> >> but in the meantime, Man-follow-manual-reference should be beefed u [...] Content analysis details: (-1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gnu.org] -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Sure, I'll tell the authors to use >> >> SEE ALSO >> v.segment(1grass), v.split(1grass), v.to.rast(1grass), v.to.db(1grass) >> >> but in the meantime, Man-follow-manual-reference should be beefed up... > > FWIW, I'm not at all sure. It's an invalid man page (a.k.a. "bug"), > so why should we support it? Yeah, I don't think Man-follow-manual-reference should guess that much here. It makes sense for M-x man to guess though, so I don't think there's anything to fix here, and I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 14 00:57:49 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2019 05:57:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60699 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV88a-0002aK-Qd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:57:49 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49766) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV88Y-0002Zs-6u for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:57:46 -0500 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iV88Q-0000oW-JZ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:57:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:57:37 +0100 Message-Id: <8736erq9ta.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #38154 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38154: Man-follow-manual-reference could be as sharp as M-x man itself In-Reply-To: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38154.157401717020043 (code B ref 38154); Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 38154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2019 18:59:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42645 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPli-0005DD-B4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:59:30 -0500 Received: from butterfly.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.27]:50636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPlf-0005D5-Tf for 38154@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:59:28 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937B65A0794; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-4-107.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.4.107]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E73265A0660; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:59:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a80.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:59:26 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Fearful-Eyes: 05a6dce278345a98_1574017166388_2848460204 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1574017166388:2726759625 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1574017166387 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79623A6B4D; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:59:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=ZVwnKxDCZ1mOLW0bqM IT5nSl36A=; b=Y3xXRuaMB2GK2+S0cTKmV+EBixN5h0Ro9L52MsPa0sFwYhjoyy uhEbKqyrUi/7wa06A/mU8+98c+svutM3S3vl9nppL5ol7uzNhr92ar8jqXaZLgsw AdOLm0DG4cw7qTO/FI59ZldGSiC+sEMZx4CSkI8IgOkt9wacXfH/t1Ag0= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-15-200.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.15.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0548AA6B4C; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:59:19 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a80 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83tv7d82qx.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:59:16 +0800 Message-ID: <87eey62ut7.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "EZ" =3D=3D Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson >> >> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 19:18:27 +0800 >>=20 >> Sure, I'll tell the authors to use >>=20 >> SEE ALSO >> v.segment(1grass), v.split(1grass), v.to.rast(1grass), v.to.db(1grass) >>=20 >> but in the meantime, Man-follow-manual-reference should be beefed up..= . EZ> FWIW, I'm not at all sure. It's an invalid man page (a.k.a. "bug"), EZ> so why should we support it? It's even the way these document pros make their man pages: $ man perldoc SEE ALSO perlpod, Pod::Perldoc From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38154: Man-follow-manual-reference could be as sharp as M-x man itself Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38154.157401731920387 (code B ref 38154); Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 38154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2019 19:01:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42656 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPo6-0005Ik-OW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:01:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPo4-0005IX-7Q for 38154@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:01:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39010) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPnv-0002YX-Vj; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:01:48 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2699 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPnv-0004NV-0P; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:01:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:01:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83lfse499h.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87eey62ut7.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson on Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:59:16 +0800) References: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83tv7d82qx.fsf@gnu.org> <87eey62ut7.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:59:16 +0800 > > EZ> FWIW, I'm not at all sure. It's an invalid man page (a.k.a. "bug"), > EZ> so why should we support it? > > It's even the way these document pros make their man pages: > > $ man perldoc > > SEE ALSO > perlpod, Pod::Perldoc Please report a bug against them. Not only Emacs has bugs, and Emacs doesn't have to fix the entire world. From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38154: Man-follow-manual-reference could be as sharp as M-x man itself In-Reply-To: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38154.157407032520247 (code B ref 38154); Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 38154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2019 09:45:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWdb3-0005GF-7G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:45:25 -0500 Received: from fossa.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.62]:2453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWdaw-00057y-Rf for 38154@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:45:20 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74FD6A07A8; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a39.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-83-20.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.83.20]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 519756A1ABC; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:45:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a39.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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It's an invalid man page (a.k.a. "bug"), EZ> so why should we support it? >>=20 >> It's even the way these document pros make their man pages: >>=20 >> $ man perldoc >>=20 >> SEE ALSO >> perlpod, Pod::Perldoc EZ> Please report a bug against them. Not only Emacs has bugs, and Emac= s EZ> doesn't have to fix the entire world. "Put your money where your mouth is" and report it on https://github.com/Perl/perl5/issues/new/choose I say it is emacs that could be made smarter in such cases. From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38154: Man-follow-manual-reference could be as sharp as M-x man itself In-Reply-To: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38154.157407093827336 (code B ref 38154); Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:56:01 +0000 Received: (at 38154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2019 09:55:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43200 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWdks-00076l-MX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:55:37 -0500 Received: from chocolate.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.35]:64576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWdko-00076b-Hl for 38154@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:55:31 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E681A1EC1; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a19.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-196-51.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.196.51]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C659F1A1888; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:55:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a19.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38154: Man-follow-manual-reference could be as sharp as M-x man itself Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38154.15740920176501 (code B ref 38154); Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 38154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2019 15:46:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46090 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjEv-0001gn-Gj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:46:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59792) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjEr-0001gY-W4 for 38154@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:46:54 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56243) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjEm-0006Aw-Hu; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:46:48 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2680 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjEl-0004Fu-TQ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:46:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:46:52 +0200 Message-Id: <837e3x426r.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <878sod7blh.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson on Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:55:22 +0800) References: <871ruhwb5o.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83tv7d82qx.fsf@gnu.org> <87eey62ut7.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <83lfse499h.fsf@gnu.org> <878sod7blh.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > Cc: 38154@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:55:22 +0800 > > OK, submitted https://github.com/Perl/perl5/issues/17309 . Thank you.