Subject: bug#38143: 27.0.50; Say that before-make-frame-hook & after-make-frame-functions are not invoked for the initial frame

From: Eli Zaretskii <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:27:29 +0200

> From: martin rudalics <[email-masked]>
> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 10:01:34 +0100
> 
>       Note that any functions added to these hooks by your initial file are
>    usually not run for the initial frame, since Emacs reads the initial
>    file only after creating that frame.  However, if the initial frame is
>    specified to use a separate minibuffer frame (*note Minibuffers and
>    Frames::), the functions will be run for both, the minibuffer-less and
>    the minibuffer frame.
> 
> This explanation is slightly misleading: Since the initial frame is
> not created by 'make-frame', Emacs would not run these hooks even if
> it did read the initial file earlier.

But without an init file, where would the hooks come from?

And anyway, the issue is probably only meaningful for users who define
these hooks in init files.  So I think the only missing piece in the
above is to mention the daemon case.