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[71.226.226.185]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g7sm1787366qkl.20.2019.11.05.16.53.00 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:53:00 -0800 (PST) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Wanrong Lin Subject: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called Message-ID: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:52:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) On Windows, after M-x server-start, tramp no longer works. When I tried to connect to a "pscp" remote Linux host, it just hangs at the message "Remote prompt found" (something like that). Today I finally figured out what the problem is, and put in a work around as following: ;; On Windows, after "server-start" is called, somehow (system-name) will return lower case host name. If the original ;; (system-name) returns upper case host name now tramp-restricted-shell-hosts-alist will be out-of-date and cause ;; tramp not to function properly. (defadvice server-start (after update-restricted-host-list last activate)   (setf tramp-restricted-shell-hosts-alist         (when (memq system-type '(windows-nt))           (list (concat "\\`" (regexp-quote (system-name)) "\\'"))))) But the proper fix should be to make sure (system-name) always returns the same string consistently. I found it is this sexp in "server-start" function that changes the return value of (system-name):       (setq server-process         (apply #'make-network-process ....)) This bug has bothered me for a long time. Even Emacs 26.3 still has it (although I am still using 26.2 for daily work). I hope this can lead to a fix that saves some frustration for other fellow Emacs users. Here is my set up: In GNU Emacs 26.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32)  of 2019-04-13 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: fd1b34bfba8f3f6298df47c8e10b61530426f749 Warren From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 06 11:06:34 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Nov 2019 16:06:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSNpK-0001yo-6z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 11:06:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45299) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSNpJ-0001ya-4W for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 11:06:33 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50582) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSNpE-0003aw-1Y; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 11:06:28 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3265 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iSNp3-0008T3-CZ; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 11:06:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:06:02 +0200 Message-Id: <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Wanrong Lin In-reply-to: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> (message from Wanrong Lin on Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:52:59 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Wanrong Lin > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:52:59 -0500 > > ;; On Windows, after "server-start" is called, somehow (system-name) > will return lower case host name. If the original > ;; (system-name) returns upper case host name now > tramp-restricted-shell-hosts-alist will be out-of-date and cause > ;; tramp not to function properly. > (defadvice server-start (after update-restricted-host-list last activate) >   (setf tramp-restricted-shell-hosts-alist >         (when (memq system-type '(windows-nt)) >           (list (concat "\\`" (regexp-quote (system-name)) "\\'"))))) > > But the proper fix should be to make sure (system-name) always returns > the same string consistently. I found it is this sexp in "server-start" > function that changes the return value of (system-name): > >       (setq server-process >         (apply #'make-network-process ....)) Thanks. However, your proposed solution is very hard to implement (for boring technical reasons), so my suggestion is for Trump to compare system names case insensitively, at least on MS-Windows, with a proper comment to explain why. 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Wed, 06 Nov 2019 17:14:10 +0100 Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called To: Eli Zaretskii , Wanrong Lin References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> From: martin rudalics Message-ID: <3fc23528-1395-479c-a73d-22b8aab266bb@gmx.at> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:14:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-AT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:18obmpeUMUMlFxL7MP3XZEHnMbQSzTawouG3jtlozBnFcF0emCV +EgJjQQ/8SLmkvt3DkLvNEw5hOkDz5sm2pF3pdnqlinAhALWWStrVLBQSoGUNbMtRG/Xc2/ ZCwro+qV/WDDbaK2wvFNEV6Ja/JLB45XqB8iNLnfukyzmY/mAxM8ZId6/PSUepS0qGzn9Ll de+hn1i/9u5mOS6c+7haQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:eypiLWJBUaQ=:X7LAfLCkmyMpq5E8dpszmu Wme75ciT/3qX4NbyxW13VELraijslZde9GtYy55Isbc3ZRa9MGpgWUSlGcT9UpHEqxZXZuPnj 7nUxs0vPXhY8KI2fJJCoaReUk/zEbIHBxqRL6Lk8gh5/9P0tf/CAuzA+5Bactse0pIRvW0by2 Z5VqxXG3EgttdSSox5D3Cr2LBTfeYzHtx7vIOynOKWuTdd2NJIGkyFThKn7ihvcufmv2KAjMp gLVmeRqs7x5bbjoCThby7q2wRfSHE5xFPI4yLoV4YbTbEXMt5clti7Jqkf3FBADs/vAw8fomB 8jXbnNmImOb1dOhNOGlfsk1kK84q9niXx/vuDJzsLaHrgYLLN08ji9OpoPv8ciZ3HLxFgp9rT GmooyLGxaKWF8lKk7MdbVT9KZPB3vK4E4RkwwsjTUMLNHR7RDDKB+5MbuZs1QXiqt/JQmnEfI s9GS6kLneQYw1Z2xAUVXFIsCc/l7Z+gkLHNpDQIWeWc9Dy9jmMAhHsYotaMEcKSNWN8cFWFi5 gmdPl4DA8X0APs79tZBPp9CCHByIDCxBM9NeJugXCl9D3mPLvUEjoVrhWFygwNt7126IhIYc1 tNzYxHmTiBWbuO5iY39GgnvspsEq+gPsUbSogjSpZnOE3WW9B69k3VlYDlZaUsSYptcZnxicy D+ti3syxkXqTdZ+wtvxlvOx3ywD6l/Q/eDJBp8mpZVkKQhmMYTWbJnDUhtSN2ykpk9RdD38Ll Dc8kS4xauyT/30lRB8dMP8WK6mgUt7NtS/LFV3L7Qld1WSQ1KkEy6xM5pkadKvBiZrD/wQ68G X5CwYGW7tvrLgDo5VIqFkzvz7tusQwyt0iqaB4ddEQoTRe6enJDbPy85yVlrEnxp4FHk8tCSd QyukBTOnKUivBMnwx0MLx+2Mpcu5cOn3q3n5npLj6ypdhnbfCB5bPOdMoO99uG+baQxslUZvu 3CjVO01vKta8kiKHbQbhh1koR3X0Xt9chFtyDAYM714RY6Km1PM1vCo5o5tnr7Y4k+2deZ9h0 HJNr80QswaYZEBmoOMUmbZEpPK1y5Ug9OPDXbyKEt9IKDjyyDB1J+vcoLpOqZfYB7vLkCSOSt YW8yZH2dUoBzfSYXtm5t51ctzNl06jIht143APz7JBi0VtDDJARixdSG3kbA1+eeVRPjF+QtG 3MjRXIWicnIiOMVDJViVDEVjXE6jgjj8QDo/fmVbUqCodpdyr+KVDUizmh8qpE9PahjsDrJbl sUqNRNEDW/90nbBCE4VSNSgpT+qHGjasYbmsnkHRjDL4MUzPk3jeM/yHn2yg= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > (for boring technical reasons), so my suggestion is for Trump to ^ > compare system names case insensitively, at least on MS-Windows, with So Richard was right after all when he suggested to rename this ... martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 06 11:51:14 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Wed, 06 Nov 2019 08:51:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called To: Eli Zaretskii References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Wanrong Lin Message-ID: <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:50:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Yes that can be another way to fix. The downside is we don't know this system-name upper/lower case change will cause any surprises somewhere else. But I don't understand the underlying difficulty to ensure system-name never changes. Thanks for fixing it either way. Warren On 11/6/2019 11:06 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Wanrong Lin >> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:52:59 -0500 >> >> ;; On Windows, after "server-start" is called, somehow (system-name) >> will return lower case host name. If the original >> ;; (system-name) returns upper case host name now >> tramp-restricted-shell-hosts-alist will be out-of-date and cause >> ;; tramp not to function properly. >> (defadvice server-start (after update-restricted-host-list last activate) >>   (setf tramp-restricted-shell-hosts-alist >>         (when (memq system-type '(windows-nt)) >>           (list (concat "\\`" (regexp-quote (system-name)) "\\'"))))) >> >> But the proper fix should be to make sure (system-name) always returns >> the same string consistently. I found it is this sexp in "server-start" >> function that changes the return value of (system-name): >> >>       (setq server-process >>         (apply #'make-network-process ....)) > Thanks. However, your proposed solution is very hard to implement > (for boring technical reasons), so my suggestion is for Trump to > compare system names case insensitively, at least on MS-Windows, with > a proper comment to explain why. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 06 12:37:44 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Nov 2019 17:37:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41224 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSPFY-0006fV-Le for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 12:37:44 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:56353) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSPFX-0006fI-AX for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 12:37:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573061849; bh=/dezw4ZR4V7OmpE6qvGFqt81A88Q8ViqV9sB6I5pL2w=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=IStCVTae4zjcWuPaBpW3HGEf9Hgjy2wCobiXDxMw2EaPbKLE2i8H8byjE/NrMOu3a vKbf9KbGxS+97KzMBIW7HqbP6aykX0govlGwkoX1v+wfRHmKHOQQnGSWHwjeyB/pVq ASBBYcv/b5jrCiLDqTZ3IUs6CfjcYDRt7FthIfnQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.86.60.155]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MjjCF-1i3Z9m1fnn-00lG8J; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:37:29 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <3fc23528-1395-479c-a73d-22b8aab266bb@gmx.at> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:37:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3fc23528-1395-479c-a73d-22b8aab266bb@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:14:06 +0100") Message-ID: <87a798x5wp.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:hADb+/cEAtdBaYcuIgu8/g4QMgvPBb4uHz0vGdsieF7Mfi0i/QH hCZPsqEZb16AKzPro24Be0z9so8l7oqIKVI20uL9F4j+tR6JNsVfiAIIUrbId8ktK3Dn8Yb G7Rl+RetghjE16vvlPPf3AGPDtTNaVggsBf7pO2DxLuZy93u/zQQhxWyRVQ3hyYGdNJc1Vi BBLXsB4fmnmKpg6pe92aQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:4jvELKNXtFU=:1PXstxVOM0fBI2BaxTWJGh ILrPOCUYVwmWHkAmMMB2p1G2tnoApxjV2qv3T4Lsx2GYz4Nf0oKfy8xVskI/OBFM8O1rxrJ/K F3oa/7Ac1O6g83OlOx7pbXjb0byhKASkjCruOqvPqr68alKOMjJFIevaA3VXUbavWIzf82dr6 UYEH4YM+MmCBQof+NoHt4dPYRbrAu2pAUk9ber7DUr4AjzQSY07exxPy/lH7IgaSJOiGEFotX QodioMvyhWCU0QcAuGKFI/qB+eGPVmzEevLfZxA8uL2Wl3ptO5V82g6EZq3jGs4CY72QXqhqk 4JSQZi0lKcVQpSreKBFttKXIoPa2kesvE68528zEIFa2OPOctsRHYhREUrobJScHXnbUnpWUS N+hAphpU6RFih7XPx5wJ7+JDksPJ85GNYOxsKeMu/u/UdKrBbv0pUXNG+oi3mqfXRYCMLCNhP /GasAJej06wluMpPzwfqpsL4Viv3cM/HfhAMjNGU7OV7+qqkrku0fTFAKkfhBxXpYF5xSsRcK TjYwgrZEy4uOLEh4oXJB12VOhyBRspsUvQn6VVtrz7gKB2mGXqR4D2sdwU4av5D3wPripQhaJ OcdJeJ5CAlzN/4MHgo9y2lZpVOkHr9Bq2eIOOZJlKOtdPh5hbbdsCsXvzUd7QlotlrcYO8rnb vN0CtJE3/85MO+bL1dHE4ewaf3nNhu4xHEAhR0d6YUclJXpEioKXPatx4IF8KiegOGW5VZS5H +jPj8xgLUtkcOej4aqSUrhKXGEHgr54d7ANmZydOHERTpbX7RnClVxwrSt/cjAzgK2ZNq6Moc 9kYcTgv9TgSrP8Ea00cEO3d2wQGfe6t06+9/2pr/ZOMCiE1pwaDAgK1qWHUuuMxUdem64OazH zEtwnyiCN78x8RgBTVUxSjJueiJzMuvlNtr1LOrk3fBc27F9B8ypKmtNtQ+iVxD/xA0u9yNcn G0Z/QFtLjOtuCCbVvqhThQlQ6ReMrPaup2PMGuEUzV2zJHAvutnTG7BYN0RgLWFBVYMKsdsWo kNdH34ZsHeb2UXvnVKr4g5NQCwu+B2R+QsCL5pM3t39zowoizuJddb2UpGoyPPad0ZfGQLJCw jtrZE8bTCTAd0u5wZjR+tr9fGivLVElXUBtPOOOCRtPp2Q6Ut3EuLfXozQjcaUu3zNM5D+aB/ qxK4lkES7V764s0uJMwED/V1gDuMTfg8qk5T/r1Y30w62wn/RkPijOwoJV5npVlzqeCkc85TI sn6obk0WqWDocfg11nlgYr8IQEiWDXfSMDcMaHevPm5HkVQ5jfQ60lAyfZZI= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Wanrong Lin X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) martin rudalics writes: >> (for boring technical reasons), so my suggestion is for Trump to > ^ > >> compare system names case insensitively, at least on MS-Windows, with > > So Richard was right after all when he suggested to rename this ... ... and I've refused, for good reasons. Will see what I could do. > martin Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 06 13:11:36 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Nov 2019 18:11:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41258 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSPmK-0001Dy-GI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:11:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44685) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSPmF-0001Dd-WB for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:11:34 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSPm9-0003o0-TU; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:11:25 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3061 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iSPm9-0002KM-6L; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:11:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 20:11:10 +0200 Message-Id: <83sgn0g9j5.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Wanrong Lin In-reply-to: <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> (message from Wanrong Lin on Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:50:59 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Wanrong Lin > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:50:59 -0500 > > But I don't understand the underlying difficulty to ensure > system-name never changes. There are two system calls that return this information on Windows, and they treat the letter-case differently. The second system call needs the winsock layer to be initialized, and we don't want to do that at startup because it causes various problems (sorry, I no longer remember the details of that part). So we only call the network-aware system call after some network connection is available. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 07 10:23:36 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2019 15:23:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43677 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSjdI-0004e7-Ge for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:23:36 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:45845) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSjdG-0004dt-Ld for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:23:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573140198; bh=Eko5HN+B0MaDQzpy3wbvpmzF1a/c6EMpsZr7+7kiQ0M=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=jCAXfmvOumPvifVX2R8A0vwEgXCh3scShCHXxcgn29CNcJ2AEC+X67X7NT8JIyA7x G6selHe4U0s9B0IoFMTdlvOWSoXCKvVB9sBMNggzEdYoWywdSUbgN/g9SXKCxMeuY3 QorOtbpVOXi/ROI9odGLeD50Pd/HYJzEPMTg3dbw= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.86.60.155]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N2Dx8-1hmYpM2owg-013bts; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:23:18 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Wanrong Lin Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:23:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> (Wanrong Lin's message of "Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:50:59 -0500") Message-ID: <87y2wrd82j.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kx34bB2DtxT2rc+VhCdTTvSExyxI/s1vny/6534cKyjoQsk4pnv xEnzJo6nJw7KvfH0H3Dt5tGEAxMbMCQy9ZlRNAvPieZMVnmGqTSbwO3UFoQbWFZ2Wso/Ovd rb1sXrXK311eswotCoiCRVBuHzlOMqF7Q3nx+x9ZYXqFeunXFWrz1TZzc6ywcWDnBzWSTyF A9sahsRlCzQnD9Q7nY5yw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:WZiAorXbZV8=:lBPUcW6FcM0qd8Ehr3p1cu c0BxuenhRBuvlopv+H4JxOrCs3OkZ6ScpALtr+f4VzuPSFkN4NHOrv5UkeJlzkw4fcZ0jJx6Z 8XtRdQu0Heoe19TSYyaH5l9HD4lhfIqSYkncTgisZZpIzzYxwGUSz+0MXA63CotLlz1AUiy9N VWfyADu7xomJPj3Sg92JPkjFkuycwNFvIMHasaosdmrSZiwDDVgHnBJ+wtJh2RLVh6JtbGaIl W9Qx50bgzwlEOWycWLkg6h2/NwVZWURmH4FEqRJz0QGWZm179KSmEZnX3K5dQhobpAHETHmX6 VBijmzl5aaRRO0DYgkfAIJzT9MUlrO5c1mkk/OEoVONR6TbRxp47Ex1wBBGUenwTyx3BjFI9F bRz6AoZSPFUvj1+VeP6rD0XO6oqNCPZwT0Me5yOiLGVfNf79JEwPGfUGbsd/8bHY39GJeSAuu g8DSyUaDAKyJX5SaYPXSCdsYMm9zScYenxHEnAeQUhXi72X48IGLv9KIHKmkWWcGmLvGhrlmJ fMfFzhKn1VXdgBEZVV7v9Dyla2QTeibxn0rqa5ZSKvvNmYUap8+qtBnVdqpXD4m2gqywCbVrZ KtrTHT2X2TKK2JKpe62ejawit1I8eW7BSSZYu1jpVZl1auYo4bQbxVVYM/ny5m74bP8eHkIMf LwgbUeBs1LSfbulf4yKt6R82FV9FPXsRkPTRi6TH/C7xjsGjEcJIJz3RY5fITJ5aGGBwnH79d 6wXBiFsXa9RHTZCODVXgfLKPIHXJkR8K3ac1myneAQUttd3s/N3iod1LLoDD7gwIuDI8+UWj4 PFCCG6C9sGqvCJmigtmGOO2fcdYIIpLUEZJsL69+khjHmdvPaU238gx7D5UJk4/XnhfEAA1M9 HE34q0Rlsv1jbzUMSWuzevHDhkkSaO92ORRLFzFwbfrzRzOUjMVHHlYid3haoCa/zvl8zoh7I DfkqaYdxbHufMXJ0ZuQxm/lnTunpxn/cWUXzwT5PvuJW2yE71weL0Y9jGdXkbzC4BqdhMN+tj WfQaWR3VjbhvXh3Yktns+E+BPDTaW5o9ZcLitbSgppy7uPYTPeBdM8uDRIy7OtHdVgAC3Y1OB wt7qnFe10i+XmL0JNJGCkQ/3vOpvJdKHaQnYxXQkGJ2iH3JcuInn7t5xmMTXROmDis7zXPhtD U4zVAF5KbbIh+e7dGhwyJhRd+GHp+VdFxDKg2g7YmlgPqsdS/5orKqVCoBawa9nEbbcQWVnCZ SiSg7/XLAQPxejYPsugiBK8uy/qFZ1uDSE7k+U3FQR6/s2RHUnYFwOZim5pM= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 38079@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wanrong Lin writes: Hi, > Yes that can be another way to fix. The downside is we don't know this > system-name upper/lower case change will cause any surprises somewhere > else. But I don't understand the underlying difficulty to ensure > system-name never changes. Thanks for fixing it either way. Does the appended patch fix the problem for you? > Warren Best regards, Michael. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable diff --git a/lisp/tramp.el b/lisp/tramp.el index b1ad1922..7b929255 100644 =2D-- a/lisp/tramp.el +++ b/lisp/tramp.el @@ -457,15 +457,20 @@ interpreted as a regular expression which always mat= ches." :version "24.3" :type 'boolean) +;; For some obscure technical reasons, `system-name' on w32 returns +;; either lower case or upper case letters. See +;; . (defcustom tramp-restricted-shell-hosts-alist (when (memq system-type '(windows-nt)) - (list (concat "\\`" (regexp-quote (system-name)) "\\'"))) + (list (format "\\`\\(%s\\|%s\\)\\'" + (regexp-quote (downcase (system-name))) + (regexp-quote (upcase (system-name)))))) "List of hosts, which run a restricted shell. This is a list of regular expressions, which denote hosts running a registered shell like \"rbash\". Those hosts can be used as proxies only, see `tramp-default-proxies-alist'. If the local host runs a registered shell, it shall be added to this list, too." - :version "24.3" + :version "27.1" :type '(repeat (regexp :tag "Host regexp"))) (defcustom tramp-local-host-regexp --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 07 10:23:58 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2019 15:23:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43680 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSjdd-0004en-Qg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:23:58 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:43291) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSjdb-0004eV-6s for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:23:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573140229; bh=L9SuB1DkQsnH2Y4nrzOa2U4p4qTRJLm5paroHB5yYu8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:To:From:Subject; b=Zz+nQlxwlepr76h/rNJ9Lf49UnChBaCZ6+FaOPrCWLwDlgNi6M6W3oCwbkP7Ql3ZH TR50hQMeDMOdw5X9t9MvT2+VzxJtRAa/0OFKJHpP4DBS4AVi/YDDrnYN+N8D6zrJh5 +OiMNfa96mhwnQFeFJbYpNizNQoUVPqr2bFBASwk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.86.60.155]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N8ob6-1hojkR0ZIE-015qTh for ; 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[71.226.226.185]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u36sm2942176pgn.29.2019.11.07.08.18.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:18:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called To: Michael Albinus References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> <87y2wrd82j.fsf@gmx.de> From: Wanrong Lin Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 11:18:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87y2wrd82j.fsf@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 38079@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Yes it does. Thanks. Wanrong On 11/7/2019 10:23 AM, Michael Albinus wrote: > Wanrong Lin writes: > > Hi, > >> Yes that can be another way to fix. The downside is we don't know this >> system-name upper/lower case change will cause any surprises somewhere >> else. But I don't understand the underlying difficulty to ensure >> system-name never changes. Thanks for fixing it either way. > Does the appended patch fix the problem for you? > >> Warren > Best regards, Michael. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 07 11:18:38 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2019 16:18:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSkUY-00089o-5G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 11:18:38 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f170.google.com ([209.85.214.170]:35350) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSkUW-00089a-Ef for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 11:18:36 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f170.google.com with SMTP id s10so1823442plp.2 for <38079@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:18:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=GCcxfVj+8Lwv5nS463lvgH7i78E8im78mK+OQILfm68=; b=JAjSQHvwbF6D53VfDMGlcz2VAERuw2x5YLmnuPoor3Glmv4CHJhlCdXgkJ2jieRDzl Vu4eUS1V8VNP3EmHWOx3Ul72JQiLxN8P4K6uhAkF3e+ggnMiFlWHyZKeok8Tr9ObHScF XrnxGnrJeukQJkdJlW8lSH7+XYie5WpspSxQce64a53KO4W+AzRS+IhqKQVvANX5QFSa U29Hz+IaqBmeATg+VqfbP5I3KKDDgIkdgaDAaUiA/JxydxOpKxywrl0DtGsYig6yKAVh QymG4m0kJ55UzqkldeUwmwa6C2OGGJuha6WnCUIHdG+mzJ1Z9yyQSgWvAnNIsm47TFWp WDtw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=GCcxfVj+8Lwv5nS463lvgH7i78E8im78mK+OQILfm68=; b=fCfmrQeVJzJg022KZ/QHbqcLLZWzVjlEj9esyXy2ngyo/o+eWYNxsTJq/f4DBpw8tM GayNZqHWI2y/WGx/0wsfROetfLGREPvGtA96ExJ78wRG3tASRM/V1bBTY1T7G9zY5dlR 71EhwDVNYhzmy58bEUkdxDFK5z7y9lT2PF4xI9NA4vlcmxVAweD637T9oxglbDJZN60i /C9Gy6dGPFvRhadHmC2xM811SIfzE4QdJuxygmZcZsFY4tKNuuSDiRrNWqlllRT/EQBP Wz/75Ja32h7dtB9wAWJa1BAYcdCg8NqaeBEhy0K6gcsS+pp4mqZuMPeT+nkdV2HLGMPY c1zg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWvaiX14dmubZYswB8ATnIjjY6aj0tNumISRlSPFnbPduP2Fa7S 0HMxmlNxzwHBgOM0Y2vPR8G+B8vV X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqytSQ6g0hBlfL23qR5xiBIYeZkEA7xF9+OKMIBDzokl1LgAcJhqfEE0jpeIE+rjstZoHY4u+w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:244a:: with SMTP id h68mr6112427pje.79.1573143510358; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.19] (c-71-226-226-185.hsd1.nj.comcast.net. [71.226.226.185]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x186sm4285688pfx.105.2019.11.07.08.18.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:18:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called To: Michael Albinus References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> <87y2wrd82j.fsf@gmx.de> From: Wanrong Lin Message-ID: <1c5d4366-b62e-014b-29ee-0dd813c46e09@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 11:18:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87y2wrd82j.fsf@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 38079@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Yes it does. Thanks. Warren On 11/7/2019 10:23 AM, Michael Albinus wrote: > Wanrong Lin writes: > > Hi, > >> Yes that can be another way to fix. The downside is we don't know this >> system-name upper/lower case change will cause any surprises somewhere >> else. But I don't understand the underlying difficulty to ensure >> system-name never changes. Thanks for fixing it either way. > Does the appended patch fix the problem for you? > >> Warren > Best regards, Michael. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 07 12:45:28 2019 Received: (at 38079-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2019 17:45:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43865 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSlqa-00043b-LI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 12:45:28 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:58271) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSlqX-00043K-8o for 38079-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 12:45:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573148712; bh=OjnqdJLlSdMy1+cP863tq7PXaRmD11dtGQm5zsrzhqg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Yi5mDvvqLSyZVe6+Jczr2Y/4dvhQZ8y1UWDdTHqTmYWX+FeVuJ0cG7OvcMpLUWWeU Fv9KJN2DhkOxkG+f3ZqGRLfcDSmDjeWo7kBgPIsvn0ry9KmTgAVGYbmrEY8qtHWA4i wxpx5fqGsi6kAJJdUzQ9PmMoutJXf8X4SMdzTfyY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.86.60.155]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N1fii-1hn4JT3wnw-011xlM; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 18:45:12 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Wanrong Lin Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> <87y2wrd82j.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 18:45:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Wanrong Lin's message of "Thu, 7 Nov 2019 11:18:19 -0500") Message-ID: <871rujwpgb.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kFHOfwq3KrY3ZgHEHQwRCImUdON8cQz7XeX5dWOxUYwyyMKYdon 1gAXRaY18GrUtlTkRyk8ZLE+WvqkdZ1lKnmV8HMIKEHeTTe+QEDWNNiGmBicNcgbq/GhrjK P7977YksY30fFx7AkeQUXsnYk308HJekaJvwfImqAxfm9g7c8gOa1US+Sz6gXlUvCBXl5Yg WE1RTUtIT/zk5K+X4+5PA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:pbDToHkc6j4=:sni16DNUp/tZHVFu5eIkjI 6noFMnL3okPDm7VYP3NzIeVbIR+BMWSqbxRLxk1zJGaBJSiGmZpRECsicN5nWjJpH8EEbHJSb 7THxlf+aMaAbIPFnTz0aCsk6PEHp3DmA0Jrmwil69TOdgPyjPy4eRxk9/wUoSrFQPdOZa08pH qBkVYaN2Z6xuETA+vvCfGwd67AsqlGsvNh+VEH4Pq+jv0KI50QsW/KM2B2s3omi/45PAh1xoG p3K5hoVS493tGffk+fcOgbLCxHRv+543UbaocmSLr1G+tpHumxXx9O1TO+LlKGJZG5WIVtSPV YjKAw1UcZOtHzaVDPVEIKxGdkSWXSO6zLEWM5kztMqgx3YuMkw8sTRgPFRqIGuoltsnWXUudy wXdcQvc9PGrjGh8eexxexARVXU8E0n/91q7Z5ThonEkg/2eGucGobKKa8iiFlST4f+zSg8pYF NG17SwtLdvejaimFzn86RhAtEtO1FAMgToNJN7OVAsxf6Y89eV3QLpxwNGdH8SqTG2c10NhVu /jzTpN5UD1N1oOhBqhy0CUQeF+7raOWb/G967CgzKIXhRC0IO6fo3gjrHyTdiMjZMRkX4Xm1r D+PdYymzTpDceBMItKGB+n5Bv7lcoOUg7fZojPW24bd5jd7mWiLE+hyyjQHxu3tTAr7EW9NyS GA9Vdo/Ugm19LA9XPdMifwuxjONPWRHyMVU5XHRFN5iaV43kFNMImaK1E64Dzqba/CB7L2Ja6 Ez5C9nTnjapGKUSLrLNCJCpUST/DA/JLb7GZotn/s6kRirACYYtxGRugBil8K6WujQ7WH/vTp NrRqLIzaQB7x1R4uOar+yAd2JpcecfX4E/X6QI5QJqoGOe86Vs5M4CX9N12e3AxUbYEgBVvnF vQNCkU1CKazhEPPdjQINNxg+h7ocn9s8sCw0iPvgcZHWuta13ipC85XLgiz4qk+wPszuSXrJr +BA1TvIpJOg8i+ap1wjDI/LZZW1ZiFbQ+SyQ/gXgLu6X8f2T0MtKOC/Nwq3d7VF9bXzNNyHGL 4ljyVpzO6mzHDXvSQM4I5gaT7Hph8yIivV/RaflnFf0uH1yOuMbTmgs1vyzar+MZUDouP0mCf n1WInuyy3wfh6LGz82PdIE52RAsOgvSVTDZ2mMgWwgg6cqGOO3X4t2qwzFfZ13P3Tba4WCxIV jstkJU8xKl7dWSQaaN/JJbiVMxCnLoBPZI4E1jKBO+J/rmKiIhPfu/Nq8xAtU1j44jeMMN0UZ YLFGub2NL+8aDftNtr2RRcfhYBFJbuw4rwcpR25Vi/vMFjQ0EkPwV9wNJe7o= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079-done Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 38079-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Version: 27.1 Wanrong Lin writes: > Yes it does. Thanks. Thanks for the feedback. I've committed the patch to the repositories, closing the bug. > Wanrong Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 02:51:55 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 07:51:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44548 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSz3j-0003L7-Hh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 02:51:55 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:54303) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSz3i-0003Kt-0r for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 02:51:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573199505; bh=UfL1CA6Skh4WnhP0iAGFplEmeevGfiCGjIvUc04wmz0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Po5PmgjfBZ6McnuXu+ybKQLcRPS0uca2h6lin7Kki9xl4EZKc9Dlxiex4GNKm9JrI 6JtRUjZtJxrw65VCz6BByDpZnQfzFuXIOUVwPXUT6eF9jLYBKpGmqB+Zz0tJYiJrJD ao2wza5J1nM9BZhq43iSNpaRpbgT680PjM+h//Ms= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([217.70.140.254]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M8hZD-1iX5mr3tLt-004lzr; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:51:45 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> <83sgn0g9j5.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:51:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83sgn0g9j5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 06 Nov 2019 20:11:10 +0200") Message-ID: <87sgmyvm9d.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:gGgLVgrFTE8lcerfGDokGERvXtij0a1Bx8a4P9GuS156nPTd3Ob z9g+iu37yVrEv7n/njB39MpXm5t6tvqcdc8S+wzTHffJ9dzjwBAytx8pt8Yirg6bGAFgGd1 jPYhKXBFAPY/g5F54CJHnkRPosZMVG0mW99ClfoLD5MgMOBI929CLWF+pYrjL1enwCiMzNT 8Bo/SwpSd52UbjB5xsaNQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Y9LS44iAGyM=:eFEi7gzxTyEq+ZNdftAGGH roD+pRmHD6AAy7szZ7owyNk3J6ubMaBYzeYSDzeyF7dqq6jpAFR5ZdbwoKYW5qXt8q52RRT72 eE5+x/bGXzyuDUBMqCkw4Q2AC6coe4VIiDFtW3750O/AGJu4FrXbJYl9Es8elCceZefQK5vW1 cKojPrHMs3Wfd/I2aWR6J73ADMMXpU9OTaFlAW/062KqL5OLdbhTFuQQMjgmXRJAI828X5Xt9 9X3T8O43PL4MNM/QFMCtqlS1+9uOia5/oD0Y0pamrmaDElyjiES44DPdcvkO68PLJPjn5z0Kf G5r6rUBKl/+JFstfoAOWCbWHly6DbNCESpbngRKsB/NTAb886sVomNxV1+LDmDQWI309W9U/P /FBM1TT1g/iFJOd8wbdlgXRwYwamIo99K76FfHtIyI3Ey87YgGo8/akYPlwRTRhvwyKTUoGUr CBMG3IX7eM6o3ALRoWjpu7jII6sQk+p/0gfVZLt++h2DE6G0EdPrCZZWMMf8nIPYSp3YnqyZw F5JXG9Oyof+URMXUc4M5+J4U9tf3N5yi8sjByghuFQvWBNz7e9EgGin+Xavax2BzGy07c7Skz b9EgHSnNHmtwbPxS/6WSTdiADyCrR4dTulioSV0uI/i7nfmkunA2FyFCklcQxoPxs/0E8AoTR jYt5ZxXll05B3xWJF1xNYoZgfiCSXagMqCLr1KOMZT3uJqgTUnRlH+dza2Jl3NlqOscNq11Pg UNw2A17k9tnHCx9N0rB/+mFSyfEmKynn9/3+qNDPC0CVHMAtRZtEJDBGSr3Y170oNRWG9va7b 6TSSSgrQzDCvGyX0txvUs/c0dqsY9r5F9PzH7d3vC1Mr5qFg4HwWO4zn3uNUVPkGy6GpLOcar JyyBsAXOtAkTUbhl5lLmvunM1oE6Hec3SkFa/aui+USiamKxBR1PRYw9eQKanlOWtMpKg6Pds EVillICYVknVMRu9xZmgJdeIEjBp1JgC/KW+WXLtzPRroj4dA+jHWbFWuDseJnzVAwZtnyT+/ gpRbTKfACPrThNfy/uG62kebEiHN206wZ28HgVfm77lbT7hikkPwqQInV7wMR/nmw9yQpylf2 CIgcmp1a12nEX5JCyCvwHNKulfXVmu4IsTOH2XAu3eTvSAXkOlzupZbeY95TFmShD/hPI+UM7 MBfF86v4QMvAKUv6D18K9IgMm7HhVEWjq/FOy0HNBagC20cCLXyWXRcd+OpaVR8q5jFWQ9kkX bp02Iv/7WjZSVl/ILyQ+sP2gh5g9Z6R5zboYBmowZl7oFgfoOeQwlW1GXuXw= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org, Wanrong Lin X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> But I don't understand the underlying difficulty to ensure >> system-name never changes. > > There are two system calls that return this information on Windows, > and they treat the letter-case differently. The second system call > needs the winsock layer to be initialized, and we don't want to do > that at startup because it causes various problems (sorry, I no longer > remember the details of that part). So we only call the network-aware > system call after some network connection is available. Shouldn't we document this in etc/PROBLEMS? I can't write this, because I don't know too much about Emacs on MS Windows. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 05:34:40 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 10:34:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1bE-0007YA-1R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:34:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41598) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1bC-0007Xr-Ge for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:34:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35502) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1b7-0008Jl-4l; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:34:33 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3620 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1b6-0000qb-EP; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:34:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 12:34:22 +0200 Message-Id: <83k18ad5ch.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Michael Albinus In-reply-to: <87sgmyvm9d.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:51:42 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> <83sgn0g9j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgmyvm9d.fsf@gmx.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org, wrglin@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: Wanrong Lin , 38079@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:51:42 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> But I don't understand the underlying difficulty to ensure > >> system-name never changes. > > > > There are two system calls that return this information on Windows, > > and they treat the letter-case differently. The second system call > > needs the winsock layer to be initialized, and we don't want to do > > that at startup because it causes various problems (sorry, I no longer > > remember the details of that part). So we only call the network-aware > > system call after some network connection is available. > > Shouldn't we document this in etc/PROBLEMS? What would you suggest to document? This is an internal detail of the Emacs implementation, and users have no control on the results. Maybe I'm missing something, but what useful workarounds can we suggest? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 05:51:11 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 10:51:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1r9-00089Y-WF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:51:11 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:42979) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT1r4-000890-HZ for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:51:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573210249; bh=B3Tz2sXciR4TiYIQZayq2mkGYsRRmvnpPGhgXm1K/jM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=FSRh4YFKLRcWRJQwP3o/pd9XWRTNQuL/3yhH880KWoLTygaFXkyABKs2yo/LxY8a5 oZuL+7vT7/wf1J+qW7+0Mh5vqPVkZkh03VtGRjEyZGlawVg86+C+Ow10VLnlLMlcPq 0/OdvSg5iKsut8FL/IPf6YDxb5xqThPCYHcsuggk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([217.70.140.254]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MGz1f-1igYeo09bP-00E6HB; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 11:50:49 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> <83sgn0g9j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgmyvm9d.fsf@gmx.de> <83k18ad5ch.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 11:50:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83k18ad5ch.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 08 Nov 2019 12:34:22 +0200") Message-ID: <87mud6r69m.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1xv5Gey9SqBRTiM64di/ExUuFW+j1bl6r9lJzdaTmQ4Pl9vFnnm Rv9qF29tpcm+KHrRMQgHlHt1MwD9EAq/Fc95S0mrNLrTGkzjAGVQcZBRgC3/wWQjMOl2tm6 gdcOdWywiFyEuvsoJncuevHOLts1XU1kl4oO5k3lzZFUCKIuGDhp5SKa+GBp7/Mc1gwVlkY KxXPDYyHMAvTOfox34zqQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:0NOKhz68jxQ=:1Fh08u9a91MLD5Nq/4r41a LYlkJOTmzsXQoScNhUx7yoJt5bzKx8yZTLRiv5m0gA+8KiIs9h3d1ew3dWc/5v0GkWqH1iDwh jFwfTShJa9brSUTj64Zdm3fvDHvVLBD4D0rhHEnRFnZCFPdiw8utS0HEhanC7eo6ijbrjW3+O MC4XH61tx393F6ykAxhbC6k+m/UzBbLPO33jgwReXj4+AKIC2yE1IFpCLAIBsjeIPSPso3Va0 YtxsC0X25hGdbIy9twV2r6UIqUAvLnlZkNbyATAAFMKvLuieenFyNYI/0QqYylwlhoz3vDqku h6n3+b4EgEiA4aearGhg4pr5Wyk7//NuUiD9Q5AxY3PrRZV3JQBif9EhyAIJLxlPvB+xHXw2d Ktph1q7VUW7j7RGnPw5k5E929p7D4YPfkEaPeIVXjdivMYbgQfIlPlD7oQJ3g5G9tpJ+0CaXV ThTDNfElAWN4sA8vF/a4sUnk/WFw8SYSUekjzQCB9Nyfxe13u5OMQsQwVKmEQD81hEEPeEagN C5d4aRNvM/poBaxWpCPX8gXd+FxzT8mUvbttgZBxg/1x4P1hc9AiAfN2EVVJzMGj0w1hcZDkA 9d2t9fAERfCY0RwWTjFwCXvSD8bYKHnFjmo2mXg5lByUK0AqzVojfy4qTWWJPIhtKDD10JuPP 504hS3eqiHDQnzie0obKkBrej9+dGlELPVxC8Qdw089hwyjhxG2kPMFiLOOf34pByVXyI2wk/ VT/t+rCC7adC1BaShgbyZ9CR+Q9/RQs/qjjJZI7k71iH1VWUqbl9I0tJJAEsK5bCjmcwZo4rv Q3thQposltVhvTMqNjvXiVuRWTmxSJ+l3eYKlbvKvu5ptDmDr2jhy6zJ31uiXhd6NnHhxVVW1 8lI+UFaliov7HARSp0RVZlPVeawnG63FtDynkBgg0tv4uX8JLncOdH2I1UOqvPRodJ6E4F6Zm cbKI9P54oT/MvD7nAsfE6U/vJAWie7G3xdGeTL7DD4+heY4PS/Y1k6vqtHgXX6EK2LZJJigLQ nW1xeQ/pf7+6loVxYNU1w9KIVwwLtgUzH7/FilWneJ7ooM8MO8T5qiuiOg1boB5viObXozMar IPemnn5FXRIG07Wz1jpnYU8a0IIyfHtBv4mfaqKBAOaa6jiJp2JFLP8Cdhc8XvGRCL9s9Nyln pdylV9/ZG1XYjWBLVAqNKxMYr5AQRD9Jh5JBeP8SsZLBv0ylpqeunonxTJ8mFXsbJD6Vfip8I XGoqCdYtOVvg3Qy/+jIP2r6pw4KX6W5ednAn3jnMZCV3Ntz/S8aM85i9WAPQ= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org, wrglin@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > There are two system calls that return this information on Windows, >> > and they treat the letter-case differently. The second system call >> > needs the winsock layer to be initialized, and we don't want to do >> > that at startup because it causes various problems (sorry, I no longe= r >> > remember the details of that part). So we only call the network-awar= e >> > system call after some network connection is available. >> >> Shouldn't we document this in etc/PROBLEMS? > > What would you suggest to document? This is an internal detail of the > Emacs implementation, and users have no control on the results. Maybe > I'm missing something, but what useful workarounds can we suggest? I don't speak about users but developers. At least we shall warn them that `system-name' can return different values. They might apply counter measures, like using only (downcase (system-name)) or a alike on w32. Well, since it is about developers, the Lisp manual might be the better place to document, in the "Operating System Environment" section. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 08:35:51 2019 Received: (at 38079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 13:35:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44981 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4QY-00080A-Qy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:35:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4QX-0007zz-Di for 38079@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:35:49 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47714) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4QR-0004gl-Ue; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:35:44 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2747 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4QQ-0003lg-JM; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:35:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 15:35:24 +0200 Message-Id: <83a796cwyr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Michael Albinus In-reply-to: <87mud6r69m.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Fri, 08 Nov 2019 11:50:45 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#38079: On Windows tramp hangs after server-start is called References: <0bf97a5e-549f-1e8a-4212-5b08ad05f049@gmail.com> <83a799gfbp.fsf@gnu.org> <0c0b89e3-ec38-6917-21c3-af35ece4a63f@gmail.com> <83sgn0g9j5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgmyvm9d.fsf@gmx.de> <83k18ad5ch.fsf@gnu.org> <87mud6r69m.fsf@gmx.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38079 Cc: 38079@debbugs.gnu.org, wrglin@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: wrglin@gmail.com, 38079@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 11:50:45 +0100 > > >> Shouldn't we document this in etc/PROBLEMS? > > > > What would you suggest to document? This is an internal detail of the > > Emacs implementation, and users have no control on the results. Maybe > > I'm missing something, but what useful workarounds can we suggest? > > I don't speak about users but developers. Then PROBLEMS is not the appropriate place. > At least we shall warn them that `system-name' can return different > values. They might apply counter measures, like using only (downcase > (system-name)) or a alike on w32. > > Well, since it is about developers, the Lisp manual might be the better > place to document, in the "Operating System Environment" section. Right. Or maybe in the doc string. From unknown Sat Sep 13 02:39:28 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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