From unknown Fri Jun 20 19:52:50 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#3801 <3801@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#3801 <3801@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" Reply-To: bug#3801 <3801@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 02:52:50 +0000 retitle 3801 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or= "key notation" reassign 3801 emacs submitter 3801 "Drew Adams" severity 3801 minor tag 3801 notabug thanks From drew.adams@oracle.com Thu Jul 9 14:19:39 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 9 Jul 2009 21:19:39 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n69LJZlE017066 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:19:37 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:42221 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MP11j-0001RU-7i for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:19:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MP11h-00030q-E0 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:19:34 -0400 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:40658) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MP11g-00030W-GZ for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:19:32 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n69LJIKe025516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:19:19 GMT Received: from abhmt007.oracle.com (abhmt007.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n69LJaNw019684 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:19:36 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:19:27 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:19:30 -0700 Message-ID: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoA2vKhvzWr8hHCRDmAGyKp08XtMA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt007.oracle.com [141.146.116.16] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010204.4A565EE0.006C:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) I tried looking for the place in the Emacs manual where the notation for key sequences (the one used in the doc) is described. I tried `notation' and found there was only one match: `gdb-use-colon-colon-notation'. Users should be able to find this by looking for terms such as `notation' and `conventions'. In GNU Emacs 23.0.96.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-09 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' From rgm@gnu.org Wed Nov 4 14:01:42 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Nov 2009 22:01:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,ONEWORD,VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nA4M1e7A002782 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:01:42 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5nv9-0000E4-Ub; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:01:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19185.63939.653937.427902@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:01:39 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control severity 3631 minor severity 3267 minor reassign 3267 emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com severity 3481 minor severity 3644 minor severity 3722 wishlist severity 4360 minor tags 3613 wontfix tags 2134 = severity 4731 minor severity 3849 wishlist close 3564 merge 4668 3227 tags 2792 wontfix minor severity 4433 minor severity 4668 minor severity 4562 minor severity 3934 minor severity 3856 minor severity 3801 minor severity 3615 minor severity 3599 minor severity 3598 minor severity 3575 minor severity 3566 minor severity 3550 minor severity 3549 minor severity 3527 minor severity 3525 minor severity 3524 minor severity 3523 minor severity 3519 minor severity 3509 minor severity 3503 minor severity 3393 minor severity 3371 minor severity 3320 minor severity 3313 minor severity 3249 minor severity 3227 minor severity 3138 minor severity 3135 minor severity 3137 minor severity 3052 minor severity 3042 minor severity 2974 minor severity 2946 minor severity 2792 minor severity 1749 minor severity 1375 minor severity 1144 minor From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 11:28:54 2011 Received: (at 3801) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 15:28:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgetJ-0002yC-8H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:28:54 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgetD-0002xZ-1F for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:28:47 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qget1-0004Hn-I8; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:28:35 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" In-Reply-To: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:19:30 -0700") Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:24:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Peter Gabriel's _Peter Gabriel 2_: "On The Air" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:3801@debbugs.gnu.org::WJMr/VLLQ8cfWeTh:000000000000000000000000000000000000000001U3N X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:drew.adams@oracle.com::fnH7KcFdQx8lMYIY:00000000000000000000000000000000000000013WUF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qget1-0004Hn-I8 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311089315.84611@OL/+DdyCeWDLp4dKb9b0dQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3801 Cc: bugs@gnus.org, 3801@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: bugs@gnus.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > I tried looking for the place in the Emacs manual where the notation > for key sequences (the one used in the doc) is described. I tried > `notation' and found there was only one match: > `gdb-use-colon-colon-notation'. Users should be able to find this by > looking for terms such as `notation' and `conventions'. In what circumstances does Emacs talk about notations for key sequences? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 12:28:15 2011 Received: (at 3801) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 16:28:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgfol-0006tn-Gv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:28:15 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgfoi-0006ta-O0 for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:28:13 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6CGS4IR006203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:28:06 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CGS3qQ016459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:28:03 GMT Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6CGRvfd010407; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:27:57 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.35.193) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:27:57 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:27:55 -0700 Message-ID: <95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxAqGbIc6QwFAyCRXaDMpSemjR6rgABwICQ X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4E1C7616.013B:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3801 Cc: 3801@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > > I tried looking for the place in the Emacs manual where the notation > > for key sequences (the one used in the doc) is described. I tried > > `notation' and found there was only one match: > > `gdb-use-colon-colon-notation'. Users should be able to find this by > > looking for terms such as `notation' and `conventions'. > > In what circumstances does Emacs talk about notations for key > sequences? The conventions used in the doc should be described. They are, for the Elisp manual: see node `Conventions' and its subnodes. See how detailed those nodes are, and how well they explain the notations used in the Elisp manual. The Emacs manual should also describe the notations it uses. In particular, key-sequence notation. There should be a description of how the manual indicates key sequences, including for different kinds of keys (e.g. angle-bracket notation vs no angle brackets). If there is not yet such a desciption, it should be added. And then it should be indexed (this bug report). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 13:49:19 2011 Received: (at 3801) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 17:49:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgh5C-00019f-T3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:49:19 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgh59-00019Q-O9 for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:49:17 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LO800200ES8BI00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:49:09 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.156.102]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LO8002EGETUB420@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:49:07 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:51:10 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3801: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" In-reply-to: <95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <834o2rfkvl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> <95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3801 Cc: bugs@gnus.org, 3801@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:27:55 -0700 > Cc: 3801@debbugs.gnu.org > > There should be a description of how the manual indicates key sequences, > including for different kinds of keys (e.g. angle-bracket notation vs no angle > brackets). I think you are looking for "User Input" and "Keys" nodes. 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Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:35:17 +0200 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> <95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com> <834o2rfkvl.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEULBwoGAwYFAQUiHSBZ U1XFwcKUrVQEAAACWklEQVQ4jV1TQZKcMAy0I3NHkL0vJA/wxOZOyvKdFNb/v5KWzSSVuAYo1KjV ammcZ14WXhiPvR/eeWOenbcQrqAv/vyy7xtvy75ss+sIDhXPG377eN0eYO13EC0jzotz/Zl3lAA7 L1t/9zyA9bSy21OOvXsD06tLYu7fQ9HMo4Z4ngFt+z54GIA34FyyCq8iZQD0mo1p4x+sqg0XmkG3 FB272Uh51ef87D0l5x+5X9/Arw7k6HsG88cIV71GRvIj4W/Gbb3MlOL/VA2a0D05l6L/F+gtzt6J KNR/aAm5A/Po/Tk8XVBeo7uaNTxbiV5DJgkpaETr3qWURM4B1EOrVC1VkxEASMPECnaxNlQNoJyS q4Ye7elP1dhDcsn1yAPg3k4DiqOhKrT6APcJ9lwsz2rMehhTE40kdt6W+GoZlVIv4XLqbVgKTd3B 3KLlF0OflXub9UI8xLchtkDaxBREfGgJZHJRy3NFuGkziREZGe5WNYtq0wKjIVVgFhp8Rsi1qMl0 ZNEY4x/ggIPauocYbC/fF32erHQjC5Ekeqtay6El1ZLO6CKlQjQAd9yiN6TElGNIaTTiOdV6g+i0 1UhxOgF1BEr1GrMAeaYCZaCi2jfQgOJp9VOWbmLDsJvUAcAMmqSJp9lV7AZ8ug+bU4tEFQaY6NYK /g7lnmwdmoiT3JpLL3gl3vtwf+8jRE6mu7jy0x1VzvQK19qnrjFQPGHt1YH8I5+fR/+vuamklB2W JVe5Vk/xGwlUnxRaxlphReXAstN0M6k02BKUsFbYH8mono8LqS1bCspAZfwNO6S01EPk1YoAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Peter Gabriel's _Peter Gabriel 3_: "I Don't Remember" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1G6gRKb/iJOsWRyF+HUstEjTptw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think you are looking for "User Input" and "Keys" nodes. Yes, I can't remember "notation" as a word people use for keys. Closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 16:25:28 2011 Received: (at 3801) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 20:25:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgjWJ-0000Yw-C7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:25:27 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgjWH-0000Yj-BI for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:25:26 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6CKPHvB014925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:25:19 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CKPG4A011273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:25:17 GMT Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6CKPBGX011166; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:25:11 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.41.211) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:25:11 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" , <3801@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com><95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com><834o2rfkvl.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#3801: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:25:08 -0700 Message-ID: <643171B994DD48F486E3C007543F7F5C@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxAzGZBNdzsIp+HRH+2327zmhpSjQAA7ZoQ X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4E1CADAF.00BA:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3801 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > > I think you are looking for "User Input" and "Keys" nodes. > > Yes, I can't remember "notation" as a word people use for keys. > > Closing this bug report. It's not about anyone using "notation" as a word for keys. It's about being able to easily locate the notational conventions we use in our manuals. As I said, contrast the case of the Elisp manual. In the Elisp manual too we should probably add "notational conventions" as an index entry, in addition to the existing entry "typographical conventions" (which takes you to node `Some Terms', a subnode of node `Conventions'). But in that manual (Elisp) things are much clearer because of this top-level table of contents entry: `Conventions' - How the manual is formatted There is no similar organization for the Emacs manual, and consequently it is more difficult to find a presentation of "how the manual is formatted". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 16:25:31 2011 Received: (at 3801) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 20:25:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgjWM-0000Z8-Vz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:25:31 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgjWJ-0000Ym-Gr for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:25:28 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet22.oracle.com (rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6CKPJ6q014945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:25:21 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CKPIfG026386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:25:19 GMT Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6CKPCZY011306; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:25:12 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.41.211) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:25:12 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> <95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com> <834o2rfkvl.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#3801: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: <8E4FC9ADF0B7454C801550270EAB7BB6@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <834o2rfkvl.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxAvAbbhP5mcqr0QWyhISeboXD+RAAFVBfQ X-Source-IP: rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4E1CADB1.00AF:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3801 Cc: bugs@gnus.org, 3801@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > > There should be a description of how the manual indicates > > key sequences, including for different kinds of keys (e.g. > > angle-bracket notation vs no angle brackets). > > I think you are looking for "User Input" and "Keys" nodes. Yes and no. Yes, those nodes speak about keys, and they _use_ the notational conventions defined for the manual. But no, those nodes do not _present_ (introduce, describe, explain) the notational conventions that are used. I don't see any place in the Emacs manual where we introduce the notational conventions used. Contrast that with the Elisp manual, where we go into quite a bit of detail about the notation used in the manual. From unknown Fri Jun 20 19:52:50 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:27:02 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 16:32:09 2011 Received: (at 3801) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 20:32:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgjcm-0001aX-Sg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:32:09 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgjck-0001a1-JU for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:32:07 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LO800G00LP4M000@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:31:26 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.156.102]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LO800G2BMCCKU90@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:31:26 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:33:29 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3801: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" In-reply-to: <8E4FC9ADF0B7454C801550270EAB7BB6@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83zkkjdysm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> <95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com> <834o2rfkvl.fsf@gnu.org> <8E4FC9ADF0B7454C801550270EAB7BB6@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3801 Cc: bugs@gnus.org, 3801@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , <3801@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:25:10 -0700 > > I don't see any place in the Emacs manual where we introduce the notational > conventions used. Right. It doesn't do that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 17:16:42 2011 Received: (at 3801) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 21:16:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgkJt-0004NX-JN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:16:41 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgkJr-0004NK-O3 for 3801@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:16:40 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6CLGW7Z009927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:16:33 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CLGVG6013858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:16:31 GMT Received: from abhmt109.oracle.com (abhmt109.oracle.com [141.146.116.61]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6CLGQsJ009636; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:16:26 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.41.211) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:16:25 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> <95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com> <834o2rfkvl.fsf@gnu.org> <8E4FC9ADF0B7454C801550270EAB7BB6@us.oracle.com> <83zkkjdysm.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#3801: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:16:23 -0700 Message-ID: <8DAD74990EBD47EEA12DB9EFCA93D993@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83zkkjdysm.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxA0sY7cXbOIwAHRc6mWL5it+31qAABf53g X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4E1CB9B1.00E2:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3801 Cc: bugs@gnus.org, 3801@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > > I don't see any place in the Emacs manual where we > > introduce the notational conventions used. > > Right. It doesn't do that. Glad we agree. That's the bug. Please introduce the conventions and then index that doc. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 22:52:02 2011 Received: (at 3801-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 02:52:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgpYQ-0007t4-6n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:52:02 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgpYN-0007si-Ij for 3801-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:52:00 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LO900L003WI9200@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 3801-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:51:53 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.156.102]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LO900LGL3YF8E40@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:51:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:53:57 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#3801: 23.0.96; Emacs manual: add index entry for "notation, keys" or "key notation" In-reply-to: <8DAD74990EBD47EEA12DB9EFCA93D993@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83wrfmevqy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <24283042333245E1B171C4CE64003E7B@us.oracle.com> <95D5526B48D74870BE3EFD9A49582EE2@us.oracle.com> <834o2rfkvl.fsf@gnu.org> <8E4FC9ADF0B7454C801550270EAB7BB6@us.oracle.com> <83zkkjdysm.fsf@gnu.org> <8DAD74990EBD47EEA12DB9EFCA93D993@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 3801-done Cc: 3801-done@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , <3801@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:16:23 -0700 > > > > I don't see any place in the Emacs manual where we > > > introduce the notational conventions used. > > > > Right. It doesn't do that. > > Glad we agree. That's the bug. Not necessarily. It's marked "notabug". From unknown Fri Jun 20 19:52:50 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator