From unknown Sun Aug 17 09:09:26 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#38006 <38006@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#38006 <38006@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 27.0.50; C-h w doesn't appear to work with autoloaded commands Reply-To: bug#38006 <38006@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:09:26 +0000 retitle 38006 27.0.50; C-h w doesn't appear to work with autoloaded commands reassign 38006 emacs submitter 38006 Philipp Stephani severity 38006 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 31 11:56:44 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 15:56:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54098 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQCoW-0001OV-8E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:56:44 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:47695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQCoR-0001OL-IO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:56:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33404) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQCoN-0006KX-B9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:56:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQCoL-0004o4-Oj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:56:34 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::330]:52586) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQCoL-0004mW-Bc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:56:33 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-x330.google.com with SMTP id p21so6481825wmg.2 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:56:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=9a7NIoo9ufHRw307uXLqi1qWmv98MJVpbd8WI8GEHsk=; b=Q9PI6kLBJsZFGOF3lyOZrAqHVXSgRYqpvWHGm+bQVGqkg14/uiO3PniF1uRtUbXeH+ FqcKYoYkPk+tCs6VrVFD7JH//BpobQdjt8gaMQPD0KJwHNaE76qu2AMK7hutVIDRBBLN KmcvfmcxsA+8qn0qiSToKfWplFHicxLArDgjInzNB1dK28ObnL/AuHqC1RuXTLnprF44 qV9Ie3QuucXEFHp1NHCkVLhEzXBuFanC2Pp8bbs9twcZU5ptjn//UQUCYdxoo9GD799Y PvQtdFSs9LNjd7zGW92X54SNB76ektc1VLjQDfYW+YmEgEQmOoXN6rVo6LR/YCZ4OC/y z9uw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=9a7NIoo9ufHRw307uXLqi1qWmv98MJVpbd8WI8GEHsk=; b=FNGHIGaWFXmSecVaT2mzvs5OMzUiOg+3ptI5MQnNKXTsWZjzTM9Xj1aMkW2Y+xjzeF ALOyQmkmMo03b6PPul7tnDfbdK016V4gy+D0uvEwvxAl/73ihFjlBJHELj3hT53IHPqz Xwpll1mmNVrbnwnauTfDPY/Y6D3omrsFYhF/nnOSss871opE/g7O6JohM+/zPVjFdoZr iXDhtjjPxLVXsTKB/lqbH8otbg7GAErHKoRnJaZfq/9dLQ6fPwUtH6GZF3UNh7lwIOAw hn+dWNbT+6F9JvXXn4IAxYcyOa2qV+u7Txh4kt0PnjyyOAb6eNphCo97V7lPEETL0C/I bNTg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWspVsrKkQU36H26AXeZkICYZeJDUv1BZ0GmmsW4wFwIDq7vfmY BV0vNjtp0DnHIHSn8xGpHk17e4MB X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxqSbRv/KbPsRlzlUvpmSCxMk7eGQ6RARgvwTbYXaHLT+MfNuoEUrU0Fsx2O4eXFBYTSEBodg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a512:: with SMTP id o18mr5597277wme.4.1572537390635; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phst1 ([2a00:79e0:15:14:5747:5138:b7f6:6559]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v8sm4668957wra.79.2019.10.31.08.56.29 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Philipp Stephani To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.50; C-h w doesn't appear to work with autoloaded commands Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:56:01 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::330 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) emacs -Q C-h w 2C-two-columns RET Output is "2C-two-columns is not on any key". However, runs 2C-two-columns. This means that apparently C-h w doesn't work with autoloaded commands that aren't yet loaded. It would be nice if this worked. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 85, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5) of 2019-10-31 Repository revision: 111a95fe6d209aff6e7f26cb6777fbdf02aae15d Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12004000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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I hear SIX TATTOOED TRUCK-DRIVERS tossing ENGINE BLOCKS into empty OIL DRUMS.. Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:30:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Philipp Stephani's message of "Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:56:01 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38006 Cc: 38006@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On Okt 31 2019, Philipp Stephani wrote: > emacs -Q > C-h w 2C-two-columns RET > Output is "2C-two-columns is not on any key". > However, runs 2C-two-columns. > This means that apparently C-h w doesn't work with autoloaded commands > that aren't yet loaded. It would be nice if this worked. The problem is that the keymap that is bound to f2 is autoloaded. Emacs does not know how that keymap looks like until it is loaded, and the command isn't really bound until then. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." 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Content preview: Andreas Schwab writes: > On Okt 31 2019, Philipp Stephani wrote: > >> emacs -Q >> C-h w 2C-two-columns RET >> Output is "2C-two-columns is not on any key". >> However, runs 2C-two-columns. >> This means that appar [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38006 Cc: Philipp Stephani , 38006@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Andreas Schwab writes: > On Okt 31 2019, Philipp Stephani wrote: > >> emacs -Q >> C-h w 2C-two-columns RET >> Output is "2C-two-columns is not on any key". >> However, runs 2C-two-columns. >> This means that apparently C-h w doesn't work with autoloaded commands >> that aren't yet loaded. It would be nice if this worked. > > The problem is that the keymap that is bound to f2 is autoloaded. Emacs > does not know how that keymap looks like until it is loaded, and the > command isn't really bound until then. 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