From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Cecilio Pardo Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 38002@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.157253246529741 (code B ref -1); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:35:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 14:34:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQBWp-0007jb-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:34:25 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:51226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQBSP-0005cZ-Rq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:29:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47648) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQBSN-0003US-6J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:29:48 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQBSK-00034X-J6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:29:45 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.73]:60493) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQBSK-0002qC-9L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:29:44 -0400 Received: from there ([88.20.79.170]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.158]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M6EOc-1iJaoN3kpU-006c5x for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:29:40 +0100 From: Cecilio Pardo Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:29:37 +0100 Message-ID: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8tkeM+ZaQBelSo0TzU2XS7Tm60d+8+E0RtAoaqx17mG1LH1OVM/ aRT4ekm+luyX2FGDmFaH5bIQRP7FYe2e2MJY2ZTwKXz+jrzYXLgARNwfli6Syr2/5uDJxKH 2cyOA+ZllVjY0rE9o3GHmwjXhtsTCzV+qqy7cwl4uYdU6l7FFgFJOCa8GuZ2M1rwmLhykmp e3CSZoiSxBWcdJait4bqQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:9veUZxWc7Ss=:iKOL7rKcY2NfF9A0DO7iZ3 hL7rhf0qomJ+Wby0ivpIzs+SLg0Q9uxnIaMYUFrf0V8lvLXH3Mdei6JY77x6ZeHo2LJCGmmGY odIfq1hYlO9nmLwfPMv5RxA3s32TICTVY2T15YfWQlP4toCnX1HRlGLKGh1u0TMI4//cl08aS RJ0AMjHakvUdq0dZbBLREWUVw+lcEHWLIL4GQDPuzeO4ECk3vlqAa2wt/uRiCtSZqdOcUEK1s 9WJj/GaT6TOTKmTV7AtkvUnv/rqIODTlSwC7tQtnltP6nLw8PihaGumda9I9/p5H8LNBrMQKs MsNpry0pz91vq9mPLfNYW44biOabrfgybpoRJw15reiS/jQKfUQrf9MELePGw01AEVMGNPXWJ iLauS5mRbawZ8ZniuMm+qt5/BxtmM5QU2d9OApnezicE7wE2+0IEtn76LCdDwOQQKaPL0RvaU BDMXJqrqtgCXSd9YpkUOC+ZOitqmqHiqDnVUgTm2NQpivEYalBnu06s26Qt4+zVL0XF/d8HR0 NyxyLA9KORYnWt47bC5keMIPrkDz29Xl2TgGOsBfaFbtXttxUmQVVoV1BU79IIs8qMTQ8JkHS tNVddk7grkkXIQYP6yU/r003HDteopNoZDqd3nYDOB5+LPZPejHVfld/2scQyZlfVhcu/kHyC CNfAGTGRZIEoqix1Vf13IJCBZViEHu7C/AxwhRZ11CmGneUCeGilrr5MWlN52pMtg6jmXt5Cu vbC+P9tCJluWYckP7g0Y5VZny18F24/QECpXm7GQTY4dMXvAdeAVk+4oIh55o3XZDq6RXV0jK HAj2r3efXLE7OIZJmQjm8qL3uoo+p0TKhVj2gLDqi1q9Cg+cjxF7lIQR0+xRL7GgX2Eia9eS7 1w6apMSveQ5AEyLFE8Xd/suO4tDZYoglccpotHIxk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.72.192.73 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:34:22 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) Severity: wishlist Tags: patch Thanks for considering the removal of this joke. diff --git a/etc/DEVEL.HUMOR b/etc/DEVEL.HUMOR index 58b6cb323a..6db69bb4b5 100644 --- a/etc/DEVEL.HUMOR +++ b/etc/DEVEL.HUMOR @@ -126,20 +126,6 @@ course we all know that Emacs was there before Word, but this might have escaped John's notice." -- David Kastrup and RMS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -Re: patch for woman (woman-topic-at-point) - - "Sorry for the long message. I wanted to make the problem clear -also for people not familiar with 'woman'." - "Most hackers, I take? - For a moment there I thought you had a patch that you could put on -a woman, and it would make her come right to the topic at point -without attempting any course of action that requires an advance -course in divination. - There'd be quite a sensational market for that, you know." - -- Emilio Lopes and David Kastrup - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "[T]here may be a good reason since the code explicitly checks for -- Cecilio Pardo From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Cecilio Pardo Cc: 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15725368374473 (code B ref 38002); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 15:47:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQCfM-0001A3-Vy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:47:17 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180]:39920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQCfK-00019o-AY for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:47:15 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f180.google.com with SMTP id x28so1412393pfo.6 for <38002@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JDuCAfV2a6h+35dEXfl76uqx2u2guioPF5PMj0w0xj0=; b=UCwoc01YnQ0rltK+GO9ZW6/y3Um5RMm7wJY+mD0yhXVDOKs4pYgqqWsvJ99GRkp1cD hFfFXW6OF5+AhAuVeCox+RudvH5ymVB1RJi6Nih2KO9p8cis92RVs+XIHpJEDPpPwwpB M9csG6gx4eJI9/JMKYeFKOu6JUPIClawdn1DTjN18+HnrJzDaZFv2cKTBknpJ4bCk3wL Ayd1DqsNpdGW0dAaY3NAbBi2mzAfpHjqyVJhTfB3d9hy1tubeTOb5wrGhGr6px6kIKA5 RwvL8U+Wi1rcOzqphdRDbpup5V2K/a1ZbqsSjnLEm6FXfCYZwNEs8RVDVLnZL4LVA4Px o/2A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVzKomnEDmWuVxda3vrix9o5t2VWSweUajPdLZzlJVsAcuc8zCt dPQFX7GDnxWbmnMYRoEolyWoswGsYl+86msb0TnOww== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxDePD2zuqf5ShB+Dgd8gyvjTK64k9frd+3e18zzJYm0b+wvK+flFphjGcHlIYcZIgAK2JXOeitUwN7Jk+wKvY= X-Received: by 2002:a63:7015:: with SMTP id l21mr6954161pgc.200.1572536828008; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:47:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> In-Reply-To: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:46:57 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Cecilio Pardo writes: > Thanks for considering the removal of this joke. Thanks for reporting this. I agree that this joke should be removed. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Marcin Borkowski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Cecilio Pardo , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15725389598314 (code B ref 38002); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 16:22:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54134 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDDb-0002A2-3Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:22:39 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:41098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDDV-00029n-7L for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:22:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89ABCE6CB8; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:22:27 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t2L_DezxdT2m; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:22:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (79.163.232.146.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl [79.163.232.146]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A16A6E6AF0; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:22:20 +0100 (CET) References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:22:20 +0100 Message-ID: <871rusj35v.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2019-10-31, at 16:46, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Cecilio Pardo writes: >> Thanks for considering the removal of this joke. > > Thanks for reporting this. I agree that this joke should be removed. Well, I don't understand that. I always thought that hackers are (almost by definition) intelligent, and they should also have some sense of humor. Why should they remove a cute self-deprecating joke? FWIW, I like this joke a lot. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Cecilio Pardo , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15725391628662 (code B ref 38002); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 16:26:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDGr-0002Fa-Ll for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:26:01 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:48074) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDGp-0002FQ-GP for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:26:00 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDGk-0002T0-Sv; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:25:57 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:25:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:46:57 +0100") Message-ID: <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > Cecilio Pardo writes: >> Thanks for considering the removal of this joke. > > Thanks for reporting this. I agree that this joke should be removed. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Cecilio Pardo writes: >> Thanks for considering the removal of this joke. > > Thanks for reporting this. I agree that this joke should be removed. Me too. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Cecilio Pardo , Stefan Kangas , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157254987232140 (code B ref 38002); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 19:24:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54332 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQG3c-0008MJ-C9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:24:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQG3a-0008M3-V3 for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:24:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59793) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQG3U-0006Fy-VI; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:24:25 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQG3T-0001Ze-8Y; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:24:23 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spook: Palestine Liberation Front ISEC Agro Leak Ortega Elvis X-Ran: h5vLzL1ao}J^e$'{:fs7O:p2Z5t-q6jsD:z..rn]JcO_vk9tR?rnp})R?#ZBayF$_zNchV X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:24:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:25:54 +0100") Message-ID: <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) I would remove the whole file, which is basically "a few things that amused someone over a decade ago". From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Marcin Borkowski Cc: Cecilio Pardo , Stefan Kangas , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15725535015620 (code B ref 38002); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 20:25:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54361 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQH09-0001SQ-Ac for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:25:01 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f47.google.com ([209.85.128.47]:34471) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQH07-0001S3-6Q for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:25:00 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f47.google.com with SMTP id v3so7364093wmh.1 for <38002@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:24:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to:gmane-reply-to-list :date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=cbOrbgFxIRVO0W/YfgEmGU/TntH3sxD/MyzPqjOLzqo=; b=RvWoyCjxBt1/U2MZNVIIcUNUUkut3nREWESGv+qrxB1lkVGTs/6gEHGRGLmcoZbdIH Xbcc/9zuW6wo6eVzvUTpEFCE1VAwODOvLMcNP7/URcdbu2DPVufuLyWc/PXNN0OKdBIu 6He9dHH1+RcouZAFFZ0MFBIKW6W+ob1NG5MSJl5aDTYjz9hDLtYbwXbNwHiJSAA3bOZZ rdks5tp9MSN0BiMuUBqGRYUkfqiuoQZRZQbLYD/o/3I3pmvd1ctPsBfj0zdtuxUBvz62 4YfMI1QtS0giW/2lyI/D3IIEzf+T5YcPJ7EtomlDtZnDcgOa85hX3LQBqY2UXG3Rpw4D D0kg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:mail-copies-to :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=cbOrbgFxIRVO0W/YfgEmGU/TntH3sxD/MyzPqjOLzqo=; b=W349INj9UOZL6FFu/pXTpzB/wKmcJfsraeXfSgWXelJPjny867cAb/atsdW4rnw3TN g432GWUtannOjaQm/b6FzJJHfEWtbQSGSuvENfBcH+ivDh7zMb327eIDPy8RozEeopSt +9rri0UHIudW8XtQnAGNx6zTi0zIYsvk3mF7Xq5I3KQAFa502tKO66eGY1VZUaaLt0yJ vdAXLRFmvLKj2YIjodFkt65vtT/yiSatxfpddNUu9ghbu2xA0sF+H72/LuuNUpzZujZO 7lonWmNT5ELTaOZKk919Fz3o+oMJXcE56ZdcfiPfxZ7zdfap5NAK5DyAuiQdFdsEuuT2 ixRA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV87HhZXl198lLTEBUE6XHZySPrkYe3XZFgqVoFkncRzFIuBilS Qih5mwVEGChG09tN69KoakW/X1s6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyblmFIgtwwXaxv4E18O7ds3O4+qhcCQdlIWJ8jZhAQjzYc5hVR/RInLek5RoKdJz7Xk+hj2g== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f210:: with SMTP id s16mr6294447wmc.24.1572553492753; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-mac ([2a01:e34:ecfc:a860:208b:c2d1:fb56:d921]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f8sm4735170wmb.37.2019.10.31.13.24.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <871rusj35v.fsf@mbork.pl> Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:24:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871rusj35v.fsf@mbork.pl> (Marcin Borkowski's message of "Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:22:20 +0100") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:22:20 +0100, Marcin Borkowski said: Marcin> On 2019-10-31, at 16:46, Stefan Kangas wrote: >> Cecilio Pardo writes: >>> Thanks for considering the removal of this joke. >> >> Thanks for reporting this. I agree that this joke should be removed. Marcin> Well, I don't understand that. I always thought that hackers are Marcin> (almost by definition) intelligent, and they should also have some sense Marcin> of humor. Why should they remove a cute self-deprecating joke? The first half of the joke is self-deprecating. The second half is not. I vote for removal. Robert From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Glenn Morris Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , Cecilio Pardo , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157256357630515 (code B ref 38002); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2019 23:12:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54460 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQJce-0007w7-Ej for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:12:56 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-f170.google.com ([209.85.160.170]:43262) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQJcc-0007vv-QI for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:12:55 -0400 Received: by mail-qt1-f170.google.com with SMTP id c26so10777285qtj.10 for <38002@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2Epo/Ji/eu2RrfLMM1V7Nu7y2yj8FeTVzIw1k62D15E=; b=Uh68naVTrXE+247MLArlAmpEDFpxm99/OKCXz76QfIkBM0duyOrGMg4ZT0o5KpHYGC mRERnjoHrhn1QvjZlAVEMrDXPeaUc8wYqxewImtCKJ1zXQGu3C47E7b0G955FGUkjHjA OSoDTwVirvvGnjZ2shmLN/qSP/XYIeeRFnVn23AVsEgVamnwENYNdrj8gYsG+Vg4NqWW pyTeHir88UWKj6hQQJJ75xsoKav8DhT+vv6dAQ6iGfH+eM+7m8rigdeHhi0vpROcE6OJ WCqJslA7I0/tUuRHhTlSQok39mYYVTOssNQ6vsc5A3f3kGX5IL+Ez35ypbrQX5vZ9y61 alOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2Epo/Ji/eu2RrfLMM1V7Nu7y2yj8FeTVzIw1k62D15E=; b=n69UwSYXoSkuXvxdZvyOgIdZaJrTEIUU3iDbxkDfIlJIY0vOVzvIz7EGmWBe7cg3/3 klsV3Qnqqw8xjLodokxNjkZkXrmA/m47t1I2a59weieE2Qo41W15kVr3mzlJLH9LC5Gu Bp3sUze1TTNzylGbMQbTXVk57YPvAp7eqhg69OEbzALT3PmvUF3vCSI4GjJlNPB4Fdif 6GMxxZB60VkEwZK8OTBOTVEdU4E6u//AdPr2xE6Zry4B6EvQaxcEDJbBkQNIX8dFnUoV kkBnLXbxtAFO+uNJvnvBWijPHrxrlwno5dY0KQ0vRWTkU2Wtp6QuJjorM0b92UWYVcgV +cDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW3qnRcKZESjMJAks55Q4T6Tb0XzwPRd142BTG0SDXviSwUgK1E WaYC4gsqeuuPBQqDB4CsH8u0XKe7c0/hevLxqsvSwg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyiOaOgnDOaiymCfj5kOupTE8uch72RZfb2lCptJ+boqTMi4Pc+6edkNf6tCZxFS2GN86iIzKb1gFlHpBXJviE= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5345:: with SMTP id v5mr7288473qvs.217.1572563569127; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:12:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 00:12:13 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ecb62305963cfc6d" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000ecb62305963cfc6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:25 PM Glenn Morris wrote: > I would remove the whole file, which is basically "a few things that > amused someone over a decade ago". Same for etc/JOKES and etc/future-bug, I suppose. --000000000000ecb62305963cfc6d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:25 PM Glenn Morris <<= a href=3D"mailto:rgm@gnu.org">rgm@gnu.org> wrote:

> I= would remove the whole file, which is basically "a few things that> amused someone over a decade ago".

Same for et= c/JOKES and etc/future-bug, I suppose.
--000000000000ecb62305963cfc6d-- From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 01:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: Glenn Morris , rms@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Cecilio Pardo Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157257113611243 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 01:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 01:18:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54526 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQLaZ-0002vG-Qn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:18:56 -0400 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:59589 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQKzk-0001um-U2 for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:40:53 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572568846; bh=QNlKqoANH2vs+l769QDJHm3QjAhaE2H4Q7FVxr1h5Ok=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Xhcaj3q4RwRA9YHRrot2HLllSrw+V/djAt13FjI6tVzXEpdZFV5w0cVob46GtgIeI by+7loFDyQIZ6O3QpXmAHEc5k4hPRZbU6h5rwwv3AblCNsS0HPnGY0yyZE20j60ABx uY1IUEUnAZN0VSVra2CkysitRuvsZJrFBv9jf7bObkHHsnQccK+ZrHPG3Je6MPpMOV 0inVgisgseGo0k8PgomoOnBI63chjXebJdCd7PvXiRLPA7PUldjpzPcyCIfq+/sYcl VKoY+lvbp+q2p9xpQs+iu1Ta0EdXb5LHBx61gxcFJubGawevrXwu4oAK6dbU6zSBu0 L7HQdTB162nMg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 00:40:46 +0000 From: nipponpost@airmail.cc In-Reply-To: References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:18:55 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) The joke should not be removed. Men wrote the code, men get to make jokes regarding their code and lifestyle. Women did NOT create the free software movement. Instead (american) women are trying to /tear/ it down because "the slaves are not following our speech codes/ (Note: American men are grouped in the set [(american) women], since American men lack agency and are simply automatons that follow the will of the american woman.) On 2019-10-31 23:12, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:25 PM Glenn Morris wrote: > >> I would remove the whole file, which is basically "a few things that >> amused someone over a decade ago". > > Same for etc/JOKES and etc/future-bug, I suppose. From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 02:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Cecilio Pardo Cc: 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157257494617709 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 02:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 02:22:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQMa1-0004bZ-MP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:22:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40454) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQMa0-0004bI-MY for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:22:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37478) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQMZu-0003U7-Ug; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:22:18 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQMZt-0004hS-Q5; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:22:18 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> (message from Cecilio Pardo on Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:29:37 +0100) References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:22:17 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I'm in favor of deleting it. We should not include jokes that put anyone down. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:57:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Cecilio Pardo Cc: 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15726129657576 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:57:05 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 12:56:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55143 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQWTF-0001y8-3t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 08:56:05 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:35454) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQWTD-0001xu-DL for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 08:56:04 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQWT9-00060P-He; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:56:01 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:55:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> (Cecilio Pardo's message of "Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:29:37 +0100") Message-ID: <87d0eb4uxs.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Cecilio Pardo writes: > Thanks for considering the removal of this joke. Thanks for the patch; applied to Emacs 27. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Cecilio Pardo writes: > Thanks for considering the removal of this joke. Thanks for the patch; applied to Emacs 27. There was also some discussion about removing the jokes files altogether, but that's a separate issue, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 01 08:56:10 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 12:56:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55146 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQWTK-0001yP-AX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 08:56:10 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:35468) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQWTI-0001yI-Op for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 08:56:09 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQWTG-00060a-0o for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:56:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:56:05 +0100 Message-Id: <87bltv4uxm.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #38002 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 38002 fixed close 38002 27.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 38002 fixed close 38002 27.1 quit From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Filipp Gunbin Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: Glenn Morris , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , Cecilio Pardo , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157261411318112 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 13:15:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55180 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQWll-0004hi-Ka for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:15:13 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:45799) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQWlk-0004aP-0p for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:15:12 -0400 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BAF22314; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 09:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:15:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=fm1; bh=6odLd3DB4D2X/mE7K9CS5OZ2CV 5JyOxNUYBvzH8jPcE=; b=sMB+IgS37Z8Rg9ZLtsChX+XN3Opjl4WWpZCT6b2oG4 US+rZ+w2Sel4h5wz4EKckQG8AuvNgNhgEZyvv1RZVaUI/k3Pp5ZEtprqSer2zZem cFCXy99Rc55w/euW5GEBsaBUGJx3PH+MJu0nbsxu3XIE9qtUpm2c0RpmDSiAMEoh LzI37QjdOPDy5DOMo9i0mAKbu1+dw3JXZwF97R1PHr6aL0kp82TpR4UUqUvBYFLf h1cegRLicAbtZ4w33Qtovwi1dRuDacQaUOeYnPnBNtqU96zA18a6c8sjwPNDj+b4 Ntw0FYIPdyhLCIgFPKzCiH6nmfNhcdPn2W5l2idM3tGg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=6odLd3 DB4D2X/mE7K9CS5OZ2CV5JyOxNUYBvzH8jPcE=; b=wbimgmqHR26Ep+Nbc0NOHU Cqyg3xqVtSNjHqzSl0eEhDy6dUz17cQy2ORUty08ZNG3cvDYA6wkArmaMKienN/x YqYSs///E7n9uBeJ5U/6kWBx9TYyzXC6VygWkkxUSnYtaQ8zK9rwpdveF3q+dWmB Zy5zqtvMuPSrVY6sciwuO5aUjmMG39mhO4L4ea8qLHgI34LnJimoXPsIr2D4iE5U VDnEIvfLhGvFN5PgpjMc0UH3uukgu4QgsQwYdDxofj1UGd2gU47rZIxR7oPnwbrJ pu+k4wPba83/kc9i+6c2+5nJ0b+HXvhoFt2+m/gwgUQ8pjkgxVzNRsyh08+qS9ZA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedruddtjedggeejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvufgjfhgffffkgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefhihhlihhp phcuifhunhgsihhnuceofhhguhhnsghinhesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdhfmheqnecukfhppe dukeehrdefvddrieekrddufeehnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehfghhunhgs ihhnsehfrghsthhmrghilhdrfhhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from fgunbin.local (unknown [185.32.68.135]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AA2FA8006C; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 09:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Filipp Gunbin In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Fri, 1 Nov 2019 00:12:13 +0100") References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:15:00 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 01/11/2019 00:12 +0100, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:25 PM Glenn Morris wrote: > >> I would remove the whole file, which is basically "a few things that >> amused someone over a decade ago". > > Same for etc/JOKES and etc/future-bug, I suppose. Please don't remove /etc/JOKES. From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 14:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157261858617362 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 14:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 14:29:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56758 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQXvu-0004Vy-Ei for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:29:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57555) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQXvt-0004Vl-5Q for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:29:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59472) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQXvn-00017O-VP for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:29:40 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQXvh-00010W-5M; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:29:33 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: (message from Filipp Gunbin on Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:15:00 +0300) References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:29:33 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] There is nothing wrong with jokes in general, and no valid reason in general to delete jokes in the Emacs distribution. If you think there is something bad about a particular joke, please suggest deleting that specific joke and give the specific reason. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: rms@gnu.org Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15726239702340 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 15:59:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56862 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZKj-0000bf-EZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:59:30 -0400 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:49193 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQYmx-000861-2w for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:24:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572621867; bh=URS6KiwyrZzXHSdXnQOmSHcJK5Qwf/F/oPh72XVJduI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=zUFlBr4GU4hZtahSFZt0h2LaqFe6WE0hSXYJcU5WsWvhH1VFezWPptmNPrzK88rAv PYhf3syP/TMFOXefmd1Q+Rk/hilp17EEKIhgui752cNCqGLEE/pN+/0HT2//wf+wuU BdLkBJmsAYLe6kt0RurLR+4Lm6k/42s88MCDgyt77oGXzGBSbvBXisQ8n2n0sQ7K8q gDPuL5Tl5NZb5KQtj9zmAWpxm4ohYfD8CnGKCX8Z0LdBs9TGuBOlQ5VQeV8lPP4EoO ZCJzHzL7Shqdi3sNF6tnh80LXLCX4gtb65vqegvFCPvdPtUMPnm8WFr+ydjIgn9BuF Gyi4papwe5EtA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:24:27 +0000 From: nipponpost@airmail.cc In-Reply-To: References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:59:26 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Deleting any jokes (including the one you're acquiescent to removal), after accepting the persons work (the code that came along with the joke) is extremely disrespectful to the person who did the programming work along-side it. (And I mean /that/ person, including a time-period element (people change, sadly, they're always better when they're younger: when they're old they simply give up and obey).) It is like tearing their essence out of the program, their joys, their perspective. It is treating them as a mule. Just like proprietary companies threat their programming m[a|u]les. It also erases the history of the program, the men behind it, their time-period. With the joke and all the rest you can remenice and remember /THAT/ time and even the day when the commit was added, and interacting with the person. This is like kicking over their gravestone and is /effectivly/ deleting them from the history of the program (the Authors list does /not/ give you context regarding who they were: just gives their names, which is useless, especially since everyone uses the same handful of first names, and the last names aren't too varied either (usually it's just a job title from their family's past peasant or mercantile work)). Let me suggest this: When it came time to have family names, the losely Confederated central-european states gave some people cruel jokes of a family name: "gold water" (piss water) etc. They kept the names anyway when they came to America and could change them. Yet you can't keep the joke because a woman is offended? The women are /more important/ than the /men/ who /actually/ helped you guys? EMACS is old, like many of you are now. Would you like your history erased because a woman was offended? Also: in the USA after 35 years an author, or his estate, can recover his copyrights on whatever works he produced, regardless of who he assigned the copyright to, within a window of time. If I were one of the men who's jokes were being removed I would do exactly that (these sound like 1980s jokes... even 1970s ones). Then when the code was reimplemented I would sue for contributory copyright infringement. That's just me though. Then you would have to make the real choices: US Copyright Law OR Free Software as your basic creed. Men OR Women as your programmers. I will tell you: while you grasp at women and obey their speech codes, and bend us to /their/ will: you lose the flock of gulls in your hand. If we liked them we would not waste our lives programming: we would chase the women. There is a reason we have the time to do the free software programing and media creation. The fact is we tacitly reject them because they are tyrants (they would say they rejected us: just as they attacked you, RMS, in the past saying you would "never get laid" when you asked them to stop sending birth announcements to the list), slave drivers, and banned everything we /actually/ wanted (marrying /girls/ not /women/). They demand a joke written by a programmer be removed from the program. What do they offer? Nothing. They offer nothing in payment for the erasure of the man's mark. They certainly offer nothing to said man. I know, in the end, it's your program, RMS (and the other original programmers of emacs in the 70s, you being one of them, this being a continuation-in-kind, grown from a clone). But you accepted these men's code, and their joke. Now we watch as "maintainers" and women disrespect the programmers, and attack you (trying to oust you), and you agree with them and go along with them. So we silently walk away. What do you even gain from it? The women and their supporters had you thrown out of MIT, tossed out of the FSF, and do you have a very young bride or two that's adorable? No you don't have that either. You got nothing for it. It would be better to move the free software movement to Jordan. Even Russia would be a better option; they'll give you a pretty young woman there (not a girl though; Islam is the only one standing against Americanism on this). On 2019-11-01 14:29, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > There is nothing wrong with jokes in general, and no valid reason in > general to delete jokes in the Emacs distribution. If you think there > is something bad about a particular joke, please suggest deleting that > specific joke and give the specific reason. From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Richard Stallman Cc: 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157262530012825 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 16:21:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56924 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZgB-0003Kn-Ta for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:21:40 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:38900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZg9-0003Kd-Om for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:21:38 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZg6-0007om-Ak; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:21:36 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:21:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:29:33 -0400") Message-ID: <874kznzhwz.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > There is nothing wrong with jokes in general, and no valid reason in > general to delete jokes in the Emacs distribution. If you think there > is something bad about a particular joke, please sugges [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > There is nothing wrong with jokes in general, and no valid reason in > general to delete jokes in the Emacs distribution. If you think there > is something bad about a particular joke, please suggest deleting that > specific joke and give the specific reason. I've applied the patch (removing the boring joke), and I agree with you that there's nothing wrong with jokes in general. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Marcin Borkowski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:24:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: nipponpost@airmail.cc Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157262540313042 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:24:03 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 16:23:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZhr-0003OI-D2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:23:23 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:60482) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZhm-0003O3-8k for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:23:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7D3E6AF0; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:23:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z1UL7q4eeMfM; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:23:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (jeden09-dwa27.echostar.pl [213.156.109.227]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A696E6302; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:23:12 +0100 (CET) References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:23:08 +0100 Message-ID: <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2019-11-01, at 16:24, nipponpost@airmail.cc wrote: > Deleting any jokes (including the one you're acquiescent to removal), > after accepting the persons work (the code that came along with the > joke) is extremely disrespectful to the person who did the programming > work along-side it. I haven't thought about it this way, but it seems to make sense. On closer inspection however, it only _seems_ to make sense, but it actually does not. Consider a bad joke a _bug_. We _want_ to remove bugs from Emacs (or any other software for that matter). The problem is, this one particular joke isn't bad at all, quite the opposite - irrespective whether one laughs at women or hacker's stereotype of women. (I think both interpretations are valid, and none is too offensive for my taste. The previous joke in the file is definitely more offensive, for instance.) IOW, I consider it a feature, not a bug. (And I repeated it to many of my friends, and we all had a good laugh.) > (And I mean /that/ person, including a time-period element (people > change, sadly, they're always better when they're younger: when > they're old they simply give up and obey).) This, too, is plainly false. In general, I would rather expect older people "better" (for some very specific meaning of "better", definitely not the moral one), due to experience. > If we liked them we would not waste our lives programming: we would > chase the women. There is a reason we have the time to do the free > software programing and media creation. The fact is we tacitly reject > them because they are tyrants (they would say they rejected us: just > as they attacked you, RMS, in the past saying you would "never get > laid" when you asked them to stop sending birth announcements to the > list), slave drivers, and banned everything we /actually/ wanted > (marrying /girls/ not /women/). This is not only false perspective, but it is plainly dangerous. Pitting men against women (or women against men) is exactly what feminists do, and it is one of the reasons feminism is such a poison for the society. I have a loving wife. I am a programmer. I can't see any contradiction here. (Happily, my wife is not a feminist - I wouldn't marry one, anyway.) BTW, I also know some female programmers. Not many, but still. Just my few cents. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: cpardo@imayhem.com Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Marcin Borkowski Cc: nipponpost@airmail.cc, bug-gnu-emacs , rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157264149031479 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 20:51:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdtJ-0008BZ-Qw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:51:30 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.13]:37641) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdJ5-00032z-8d for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:14:05 -0400 Received: from there ([88.20.79.170]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.158]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MIxmm-1igf3415Tu-00KNqH; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:13:44 +0100 From: cpardo@imayhem.com References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:13:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> (Marcin Borkowski's message of "Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:23:08 +0100") Message-ID: <86eeyrtkwd.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+0RjfVJ9dkg1S8e+qowIeD2HNupfmXvBEFATis+S1X65JhN5zZo 9NrGid55EjTYUfGHDXsHzJ4ekVByJ4qpVw1FzKBWB6ry07s1Bt/o+5EPnLg4G2yYGvQFxiT aczXo6Nm/RopR3PaeuoLi6dai2dAF56mcbs9FkAtWRQKcMhBvXGilrn9VcjQRJTMJ36U2IO 7SwMUSKMbXVYWMFAC0V7A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qb/qg7b8gkI=:Sdwkh18BOFRcOVGBNyT0xv GZsnh1h/curdXNQ/2VmYZ0gv1xmdXNOX53Ith+KjZcHii2aE4zwIRU1LdzS+6wXvxrt+XHA2E XbalqN8lACJWoZ7sqrlpEK70uuSOGghtwpgiRJqoUZEJapsWLEVpXCekTe9RnlukKkYfH7MtA Oiu/uUaoqRavilnKoeNx/GmuUNVjx0uv/abahOj6LMCR6roUrpATw4EjEdpllfSMOzgLHCKQ/ aJQvoGaMc7o1WnfBbZk62anPVgyM986TMFqJkq9Pt44pHFH0KkXRyECAPR+8+zfk8swbUCCfv lP3JEpyV/bVevrqMgruugwxSpyUCWCjN75/7Os+GVWmdK1YWNJXKOO5LAcHeNoiMxvfFKlKeD BEWeFZ0+emavSyZ57b5iFnSDGYQroC2qjnayF0qAfalLosvTlaB6O3j/qom1O49gJU+y4M2QO a5ns9LZN0q5DCa2KqiDio6wXTkbUKGo0Xgop516T1vzbk8mYdOYBNUPsIo+oYWYC39OHb1kY1 4O+be3xHixsp8v8fmYLINTGwZkwsJ3aJAC142HgVuxm6UGHzKD3MQYj/TX95rUOHugIx7GG5K RDdaaRydkzwOjRuqgjMqbd1ATey6LIxWHp5C1QjugjqDClHXmO2Dp2ZNBzlAhEBc36paO8n1M 1PW9gfzBpmHtpLCEcgq4U4Rt1Fm8RIAOHNL9tzZWOnI6xllqtP2fjA3j6tgF12KO54hcw5uk3 QJJ4EibwSr/gdt+15C1KJuSzJ/lKl/o5iCJqfHln5QpkQwcPMgODzYMUFfX0MHTvWQIgzdsEz NWqZkV1EDuONcZGUWzmyhp8xHFhnbVIeV5MyifE68xQOSn/BCgpLOnGjuPVED199wQbUcWaH4 JLitr0yMqMh7JyKpVH0HPfMquteGh5t+nLk7zyUVQ= X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Marcin Borkowski: > > The problem is, this one particular joke isn't bad at all, quite the > opposite - irrespective whether one laughs at women or hacker's > stereotype of women. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Marcin Borkowski: > > The problem is, this one particular joke isn't bad at all, quite the > opposite - irrespective whether one laughs at women or hacker's > stereotype of women. (I think both inte [...] Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [88.20.79.170 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=cpardo%40imayhem.com;ip=212.227.17.13;r=debbugs.gnu.org] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager > Marcin Borkowski: > > The problem is, this one particular joke isn't bad at all, quite the > opposite - irrespective whether one laughs at women or hacker's > stereotype of women. (I think both interpretations are valid, and none > is too offensive for my taste. The previous joke in the file is > definitely more offensive, for instance.) IOW, I consider it a feature, > not a bug. (And I repeated it to many of my friends, and we all had > a good laugh.) Who does the previous joke offend? Are you sure you are reading the correct one? The removed joke demeans women by describing them as unpredictable, irrational beings. If you enjoy that kind of humor, good for you. But hosting it the distribution of one of the flagship software pieces of a project based on ethics if obviosly wrong. > This is not only false perspective, but it is plainly dangerous. > Pitting men against women (or women against men) is exactly what > feminists do, and it is one of the reasons feminism is such a poison for > the society. Feminism aims for equality of the sexes. Such poison. -- Cecilio Pardo From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:52:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Marcin Borkowski Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157264150831511 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:52:03 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 20:51:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57332 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdtb-0008C8-BR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:51:48 -0400 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:56255 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdZT-0006OE-SV for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:31:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572640253; bh=JejJtr/v/ueLT40PuZUIEiRbGnlIEGXrfDDkzF9k6Vo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=HubFgPCX2hL2m/FP1xRZQe5NPxdm+FhSVOuJoj0PBvHwXA0W6+2L56JMqb8vG1JeL Z/RZJ101TbEyPrv5ex3h+tbLW4WATvFjtQ/Yaz1B14VXySVcU8IaNPddLCbMOTHL58 wlwYszsSgXMKAPy4J6JUnluicPDc1o8eimK6VOpnnAVdq+ow/z3v96fUtJY+N1RZaF hKkw0Ukt8LD0C/Bc/0WuKc2kNqgBtWiQhNaExcQwrJgcvV+aljj04r1HWernI5pxRT y+mch/Vk4mv3+D1o7tMP2lXGkz7jZDYcgGN9r8xVpeMsyZCReRwfMgBzlmKQp2L15J yvmJ+7Z/rMgLg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:30:53 +0000 From: nipponpost@airmail.cc In-Reply-To: <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> Message-ID: <25b7c44fa4a0886a2c977a51c26dc1e0@airmail.cc> X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:51:44 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) A joke is not a bug: it has /absolutely/ nothing to do with the operation of the software; it isn't even /part/ of the software. What it is, is a makers' mark. A signature. A piece of the author. "This is me, this is part of my personality" Removing the joke is tantamount to removing a maker's mark. It's basically white-washing the person from the project and laundering his code. Now the code, the project, is attributed to the "maintainers", their system of society is all that is present, the personality of the actual creators is gone. It's just as bad as removing the author from the Authors attribution; it's even worse: from the names you cannot tell /who/ these people were; but from their jokes you can catch a glimpse. All maintainers do is take other peoples work, and make sure it works on new incompatable systems. They then parade around as if they wrote the whole thing (see: Guix "maintainers" who are demanding the ouster of RMS from HIS GNU for example). It's basically plagiarism, in practice. I'm an attorney btw, if the Authors are angry about this, and I gain information about such (if they're still alive), I'll consider guiding them regarding copyright law (US). I doubt they're in my juristiction though so I could only show them the way. In europe they could perhaps assert moral rights aswell (this becomes complicated, due to all the different interpretations there-of). In the USA it's the 35 year statutory provision in the Copyright Act that could be used. Respect the guys that helped you; Stop spitting on them. These Maintainers are not equal to the original programmers who helped you. It's like saying a touch-up artist is the same as a from-scratch painter. Free Software does NOT exist without the Software; which does not exist without the Men who BOTHER to write said software to begin with. If you lost all female contributors from Free Software: you would still have it. If you lost all male contributors you would not. And men and women do NOT get along. One dominates the other. In Anglo-American societies the woman dominates the man and the man is just a beast of burden: caged at the first notice of his master to the male-handlers (police). Pandering to the women will not get anyone "laid" (Though Pandering to Islam will get you young brides (young girls, not adult women) eventually; which is why the European policticians wisely do so: it's either Americanism or Islam... so they choose the nicer one for themselves) (Note: if anyone wants to question my credentials regarding programming: I have a 25Mbyte code diff I can show you; it's not all of my code; but alot of it is, and that's on my latest project I've been working on for a decade (foss 3d videogame). I know what motivates me and demotivates me, and I see who contributes what in FOSS and who simply controls others socially, so I'm not fooled. There is a method to all of this, and degrading the men like Americans do was not the method that succeeded, but is now what is proposed and has been followed for the last few years (which has resulted in a quiet /exodus/ of hackers and the domination of /foundations/ and /corporate backers/ instead (as intended))) From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: cpardo@imayhem.com Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , Marcin Borkowski , rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157265065732532 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57533 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgHA-0008Se-BN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:24:16 -0400 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:45823 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQg77-00065H-Or for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:13:54 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572650027; bh=mMl2+52rMtOnZOc44NjtAs1kh2F0BVxTMqplvmqkTZI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=OJm+Mnlbjm9sdrDtHY1zweTCwUHpOL0Ri+IAuIErK3AkSyMCjMbfAEJMoKL6XHoht ELINB8w0vlamaf4DlHF4YCoXRnfLTmWiVsU8hUzbDQf041G47gy7sWIXmHEk9IVJOw ux1V95WNgs64lkcVtAhQabkZZoJKVqg5yXhM+JwtQutK/kMDd7pJGqg4zsIBZg3vT6 CJQZXEVohRk5ekv1jYf6o6YWPkEOeU2IPsDIH8KDJCSoVMQ6+wO1byVDQMO9DKyTzb fdONKhsHi0jQhFUpGXDAJxDFEWrHL+6CLcv13vE2NgNDi6aVQKf35Fas4U7xzOM3RW Cvd6OY4Qdj6kg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:13:42 +0000 From: nipponpost@airmail.cc In-Reply-To: <86eeyrtkwd.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> <86eeyrtkwd.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> Message-ID: <8a0942d4caea34aae393626e4bab9709@airmail.cc> X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:24:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Any identity based politics will tend towards dominance and exclusion, and sometimes destruction of the Other. This is simple human nature; it simply does not matter what the rules of the ideaology, religion, etc are: in the end the Other will be attacked, dominated, and sometimes destroyed. There can never be equality; Equality is simply the point that 2 ships pass in the night. Feminism itself is a rebranded American Protestant Christian moral. There was work done to attempt to make it something else in the 60s and 70s, but this ultimately failed. All it does now is promote Americanism in Europe, and abroad; which is a shame. Men have no place in society now, not if they are the thinking kind. If they will go along to get along, "provide", and chase "hot wimmin" they're accepted. If they think "hmm what will be the outcomes here" and see divorce, alimony, child support, paying for a house they are not allowed in, and the woman becoming old in seconds flat... they would opt out... or defect elsewhere... and are not welcomed. Some American Protestants were calling for RMS' expulsion and /arrest/ recently. Feminism means I cannot marry young girls: yes it is poison to /me/. The old religions, which I read in their original and old translations, allow me such: thus much better for /me/. (Yes I know "sex positive" feminism was "going-to-be" different: but it failed. Feminism in the 1800s and 1900s was sex-negative, and again it is sex-negative for men but sex-positive for women today (1990s, 2000, 2010s)) Men being /mules/ (as in America) is _very_ good for women. Men being barred young girls is _very_ good for women. It is not good for men. America is not good for men at all. Ethics is simply "Americanism"; just a modern religion. Free Software is all about /opposing/ the 1975 etc copyright Act, of the USA; the one that extended copyright to software: that is it's origin and what it is about. Not any other "Ethics". I do not code Free Software to be bound to what American whites consider "correct and moral". I do not code FS for "Ethical" reasons: I program because I like to /tinker/ and I want others, who will mostly be men, to beable to /tinker/ too (paying it forward in that, and only that, way: in that specific subject). That pretty much goes for all hackers most likely (but not maintainers or people involved to make a name for themselves). In the end, I code free software, and got a law degree and license... because I have nothing else to do; and no prospects of doing so. Good hobbies. Pointless life. On 2019-11-01 20:13, cpardo@imayhem.com wrote: >> Marcin Borkowski: >> >> The problem is, this one particular joke isn't bad at all, quite the >> opposite - irrespective whether one laughs at women or hacker's >> stereotype of women. (I think both interpretations are valid, and >> none >> is too offensive for my taste. The previous joke in the file is >> definitely more offensive, for instance.) IOW, I consider it a >> feature, >> not a bug. (And I repeated it to many of my friends, and we all had >> a good laugh.) > > Who does the previous joke offend? Are you sure you are reading the > correct one? The removed joke demeans women by describing them as > unpredictable, irrational beings. If you enjoy that kind of humor, good > for you. But hosting it the distribution of one of the flagship > software > pieces of a project based on ethics if obviosly wrong. > >> This is not only false perspective, but it is plainly dangerous. >> Pitting men against women (or women against men) is exactly what >> feminists do, and it is one of the reasons feminism is such a poison >> for >> the society. > > Feminism aims for equality of the sexes. Such poison. > > > -- > Cecilio Pardo From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , Richard Stallman , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157265181010079 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 23:43:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57570 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgZj-0002cR-AG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:43:27 -0400 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:54367 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgI0-0008UL-CJ for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:25:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572650702; bh=IlzgN29cQU1PfTgCLo851cLxzgEM3I4kIWq31MRUsmU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=DW4u4M7lJUOqDL9xf3fJ3zzcXbBzIv73qwNPwCK24NG6gT/AW3hcxCvO84e9LzVi7 vyD+67pQWGg3yZw/OIfdA7QbC5u+LCJMVpP+A1qRDmpvCuQaIGVdToG8CMss6omDTG oRZsFyrZLLNFEt5PdSBPv48RJc8POXvP1UlqoI+He6IQzZPLkjziS4ZQ3nt1iFi2Ox Tq7+UKKtL2PW5/Rox/ToSQGyr01JQ5dcCGn0xeVvYwr6gHSVghfmuUrYIZzOHkj6Tw m4DjkgPJeIl1gKaL6V81j4nMgzQRhuBwGUn3l8d4dzCN/YWD/H1RkCkD4c2ZOxR4Jo R3C8NoH1BNChg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:25:02 +0000 From: nipponpost@airmail.cc In-Reply-To: <874kznzhwz.fsf@gnus.org> References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kznzhwz.fsf@gnus.org> Message-ID: <60db65e1c667c40e3f4db575cd617b67@airmail.cc> X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:43:26 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) And I am going to find out who added that joke, if at all I possibly can, and inform him about copyright reversion under section 203 of the Copyright Act. www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html#203 And No: these contributions are not works for hire. (Note regarding 35 years: I assume his code was as ancient as his joke.) On 2019-11-01 16:21, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> There is nothing wrong with jokes in general, and no valid reason in >> general to delete jokes in the Emacs distribution. If you think there >> is something bad about a particular joke, please suggest deleting that >> specific joke and give the specific reason. > > I've applied the patch (removing the boring joke), and I agree with you > that there's nothing wrong with jokes in general. From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 02:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: nipponpost@airmail.cc Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Richard Stallman , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15726609452045 (code B ref 38002); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 02:16:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 02:15:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQix7-0000Wu-9h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 22:15:45 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171]:41830) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQix3-0000Wf-M5 for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 22:15:42 -0400 Received: by mail-qt1-f171.google.com with SMTP id o3so15528840qtj.8 for <38002@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:15:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=v8lWSOKYaBFqY/u1VkTYkLZFY28BRmqRxa13GGUC9HY=; b=ZcQWhgWI6LVtjXt3z6MkY07mZja2z8k10+UWZPHjJFuEggRSAt/7+LsupcWs/mJ9Og +68sHS4SAtl+3qf+D7F6aZY7HMtOM0Xk7wG0Iq0qpmKpkqQI492VdIOdXM4KrrImoHVo i68hEX4thP8SRCE0iFRH9wgYCi/s7+9E2oUx16yILOAaOcagYLcEOWO+w6vEJfF5tI+q QxxfnDO66e43r17jIZdxJl58UDm30ekdITEUrgv86XvzpbCDQpR3a1zR+4OK8FP3FFu4 9N5+gA5McfG9RO7ngXwoQ5iH1oGGlFy/+/iTmmGmKvuO7qDof2DEgv0GhJSWx1qSbRfk MQPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=v8lWSOKYaBFqY/u1VkTYkLZFY28BRmqRxa13GGUC9HY=; b=kFdmNC2nDQ5xsysOmbaJ5EgMESx5F3V4/YxXL5360LRtxJX/e0Er7fiWaAIpVnzvS6 KZxjr+JToq6L5VTi3cJwzxgihQs3Ogm9MU2bH8S6UCvg5YXs3DfY6dnsqllFCJrSeIox cC3rvqwvG1fZ90Y7ugfuVmFUC+ixTCwyoR8oSwjebRWmrPth+vzNwEFec2s5GFm+SyMX oY3nVI0dARlcY5KCURJ4CclWYbqixs4qrPeVk31jBXtevao3L4HAT0l8jl8IE24HhN8K X/a+/L9Ff/Ud2EGPLxnEnzVnULVcso0dXJNsLW8ozb2CSrozn/4SAo0Y4iu2avhUalwE DAKw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUALWJBc6A1g/90n5PwVdcLmH8rA3g1OrvWea1o8T28fhWFrq2Y 1MbAZcarhi+Yr+bIfx2KdqRGMZL2agRWghnI+fA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzm66+D30Dz9W/ojeg4ZdHHTGU9HLqGB4SFNWbFqpwrgCwYRh5sh+JeoPomyi5cwTTAzhTBDtJbr8JlzOJtCWE= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:6c5c:: with SMTP id z28mr2815756qtu.17.1572660935926; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:15:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kznzhwz.fsf@gnus.org> <60db65e1c667c40e3f4db575cd617b67@airmail.cc> In-Reply-To: <60db65e1c667c40e3f4db575cd617b67@airmail.cc> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 03:14:59 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000070286e059653a8ce" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000070286e059653a8ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:44 AM wrote: > And I am going to find out who added that joke, if at all I possibly > can, and inform him about copyright reversion under section 203 of the > Copyright Act. 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--00000000000070286e059653a8ce-- From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Marcin Borkowski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: cpardo@imayhem.com Cc: nipponpost@airmail.cc, bug-gnu-emacs , rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15726844219139 (code B ref 38002); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 08:47:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQp3l-0002ND-Ds for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:47:01 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:46492) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQp3c-0002Mt-LF for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:46:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1401DE6302; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:46:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8j2hSrHaEI2; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:46:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (jeden09-dwa27.echostar.pl [213.156.109.227]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58B20E62FC; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:46:46 +0100 (CET) References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> <86eeyrtkwd.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski In-reply-to: <86eeyrtkwd.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 09:46:39 +0100 Message-ID: <8736f6acnk.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2019-11-01, at 21:13, cpardo@imayhem.com wrote: >> Marcin Borkowski: >> >> The problem is, this one particular joke isn't bad at all, quite the >> opposite - irrespective whether one laughs at women or hacker's >> stereotype of women. (I think both interpretations are valid, and none >> is too offensive for my taste. The previous joke in the file is >> definitely more offensive, for instance.) IOW, I consider it a feature, >> not a bug. (And I repeated it to many of my friends, and we all had >> a good laugh.) > > Who does the previous joke offend? Are you sure you are reading the Well, apparently I expressed myself wrong - I should have said that some people might consider it blasphemous, which is way worse than just "offensive". (I gave it some thought and I personally _think_ it's not, though I'd definitely not tell it anyone - it's extremely bad taste.) > correct one? The removed joke demeans women by describing them as > unpredictable, irrational beings. If you enjoy that kind of humor, good I don't entirely see why being unpredictable and irrational is necessarily inferior to being predictable and rational. There are cases when these are exactly the qualities which may be needed. And even if not, _if_ we assume than women indeed possess these qualities (in some statistical sense, of course), this does not make them "worse" than men at all. There are other qualities women may have than men lack, and all that implies is that men and women are _different_, and neither sex Pareto-dominates the other one, so to speak. Besides, it is your interpretation (as I mentioned, I consider it a valid one). Another, equally valid one is that the jokes demeans hackers by describing them as believing women are unpredictable and irrational (whereas the truth is more complicated), and fear of women might be somewhat implied. Yet another interpretation would be that a joke is on a meta level, and what is really the object of laughter is the simplistic _stereotype_ of women. This interpretation seems not to demean anyone. > for you. But hosting it the distribution of one of the flagship software > pieces of a project based on ethics if obviosly wrong. > >> This is not only false perspective, but it is plainly dangerous. >> Pitting men against women (or women against men) is exactly what >> feminists do, and it is one of the reasons feminism is such a poison for >> the society. > > Feminism aims for equality of the sexes. Such poison. I obviously do not share this belief. And even if it did aim for _equality_, actually defining it is crucial. Some kinds of equality are morally good. Some are morally bad. In a sense, you don't want "too much equality". (We had a certain movement towards it here in Eastern Europe, btw. It didn't end well.) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Marcin Borkowski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: nipponpost@airmail.cc Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15726848149715 (code B ref 38002); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 08:53:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58087 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQpA6-0002Wc-9Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:53:34 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:46592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQpA4-0002WQ-Tt for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:53:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6DBE6302; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:53:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rR7gYDTrYy4h; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:52:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (jeden09-dwa27.echostar.pl [213.156.109.227]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 800BAE62FC; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:52:47 +0100 (CET) References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> <25b7c44fa4a0886a2c977a51c26dc1e0@airmail.cc> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski In-reply-to: <25b7c44fa4a0886a2c977a51c26dc1e0@airmail.cc> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 09:52:40 +0100 Message-ID: <871ruqacdj.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2019-11-01, at 21:30, nipponpost@airmail.cc wrote: > A joke is not a bug: it has /absolutely/ nothing to do with the > operation of the software; it isn't even /part/ of the software. The Emacs manual explicitly claims that unclear documentation is a bug (in the docs). I think that you can say the same about a bad joke. Fun fact: I am currently writing a book (a pretty serious textbook on advanced mathematics, by three authors), and I've put a fair share of jokes in it. A reviewer asked to remove one of them. I was slightly sad, but I did it without much hesitation. (Though both the reviewer and me agreed that it was not _bad_ per se.) > What it is, is a makers' mark. > A signature. > A piece of the author. > "This is me, this is part of my personality" You could apply exactly the same words to some bugs. Yet, we remove them. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 16:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Richard Stallman , 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157271116415193 (code B ref 38002); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 16:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 16:12:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32923 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQw15-0003wy-Jj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 12:12:43 -0400 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:43139 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvmi-0003Wh-E3 for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:57:53 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572710266; bh=fWn4PRxW+yUBElLZMG/6gUrKoYmf10WAWUedeeozo4c=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=EqlhL6Ut0DVL74TAfI+35i5XaDd1x1PRPed1Ik0sMMgBwWAmflN1NFDJHkxF5lswE 3ISV5rK7He7g9mXP5abAEmzaF+PT2tJZAknZ8Dob1S4/DSypBcq+u+XO12Sbp1Qama 7IL7il4hyyKcMnvtqPW0UWgtf69XMPAdHahKpsgjPYjPTyZ7RVG1jIDM58ydHwZlJB /ENC45CWqmmG66iXoVUhrWeEVPH1w369D/4Nef1gPYQAtu/yIZth9UsB8U3vhreQ7q EWjRqk/ZQBpzm4NYWRUHjuat17n/m527sPVRrHmXnG7fFQjLtyHYPNAR5rT0IB4W2y b+l53w7wECk7Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:57:46 +0000 From: nipponpost@airmail.cc In-Reply-To: References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kznzhwz.fsf@gnus.org> <60db65e1c667c40e3f4db575cd617b67@airmail.cc> Message-ID: <78176dc42c04668c2e8a9b4386f7c76d@airmail.cc> X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 12:12:32 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I am going to find who actually created the joke, if at all I possibly can, and inform HIM about copyright reversion under section 203 of the Copyright Act. Additionally, in the fullness of time, I will also inform your Estate about said feature of the Copyright Act, along with all others who contributed code to free-software I can find who are affected by this war against sexism. I will inform the Estates and Persons of the damages they can claim if the notice of reversion is not complied with, I will also inform them about derivative works and how any replacement code my very-well be derivative. On 2019-11-02 02:14, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:44 AM wrote: > >> And I am going to find out who added that joke, if at all I possibly >> can, and inform him about copyright reversion under section 203 of > the >> Copyright Act. > > I compiled the original jokes, and committed the file. > > And I'm glad the joke has been removed. It was sexist. I wasn't aware > then, but I am now. From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 21:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: nipponpost@airmail.cc Cc: 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157272876830000 (code B ref 38002); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 21:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 21:06:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33143 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iR0b2-0007no-As for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 17:06:08 -0400 Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:29232 helo=mail.muc.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iR0aw-0007nB-4N for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 17:06:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 60401 invoked by uid 3782); 2 Nov 2019 21:06:00 -0000 Date: 2 Nov 2019 21:06:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20191102210600.60400.qmail@mail.muc.de> From: Alan Mackenzie Organization: muc.de e.V. In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug User-Agent: tin/2.4.2-20171224 ("Lochhead") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/11.3-RELEASE-p3 (amd64)) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) In article you wrote: > I am going to find who actually created the joke, if at all I possibly > can, and inform HIM about copyright reversion under section 203 of the > Copyright Act. > Additionally, in the fullness of time, I will also inform your Estate > about said feature of the Copyright Act, along with all others who > contributed code to free-software I can find who are affected by this > war against sexism. > I will inform the Estates and Persons of the damages they can claim if > the notice of reversion is not complied with, I will also inform them > about derivative works and how any replacement code my very-well be > derivative. Whoever you are, your posts are offensive and threatening. Please be aware that the Free Software Foundation has some very good lawyers on its staff, who know all about copyright. Why are you hiding your identity? What are you scared of? Please identify yourself. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 13:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: nipponpost@airmail.cc Cc: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+nipponpost=airmail.cc@gnu.org, cpardo@imayhem.com, mbork@mbork.pl, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157278733311222 (code B ref 38002); Sun, 03 Nov 2019 13:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2019 13:22:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33483 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRFpd-0002uw-CE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 08:22:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51163) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRFpb-0002ui-Me for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 08:22:11 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iRFpV-0006jL-Aj; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 08:22:05 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iRFpO-0004Wn-TB; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 08:22:00 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <237201ce8334abb8f7dfb4612ed9db08@airmail.cc> (nipponpost@airmail.cc) References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> <86eeyrtkwd.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <8736f6acnk.fsf@mbork.pl> <237201ce8334abb8f7dfb4612ed9db08@airmail.cc> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 08:21:58 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] You have put anti-woman spin on my article that I do not agree with. (I just added some text to make it clear I do not agree.) In any case, that is irrelevant to this mailing list -- please don't discuss that here. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke - Informing of legal rights is not a threat - 35 year copyright recovery for non-works-for-hire Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 16:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: Alan Mackenzie Cc: mbork@mbork.pl, rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org, misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+nipponpost=airmail.cc@gnu.org, cpardo@imayhem.com X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: Marcin Borkowski , rms@gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, misc@openbsd.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs , cpardo@imayhem.com Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.15728000968213 (code B ref 38002); Sun, 03 Nov 2019 16:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2019 16:54:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35001 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRJ9U-00028O-1G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:54:56 -0500 Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:46179 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRJ0P-0001oi-PH for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:45:34 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on cock.li X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS shortcircuit=_SCTYPE_ autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572799525; bh=3Z8gMlv2pG6swWRWLDHqmnKJCBeDdUk6BjPWm26WKfI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=FvwIQUfyRdjPOMPMsOaKeyZgYQ5fUTlc5ksg82kgYChASU54QUg8kjM+WiJMJwc8t djKe0OkOvFMb7B7qWFDD/fbkKaxmnZPiKSaA/G50nXAQu4j+Bni0pcZ+JgLRVnN/gl vE+Xw57qsVuFmQo2MPCjKVIR4p54Je4SIi12Oav5pa50IeV4+k2Fc3ktq68RDI32XI N6Sz2Z1D9lFmQEh/ygDpgO2nEmb66+HSQPq7xxNHaw+6FG7TCt+npmhob9meLF5rbq 2CT4gwLmWiqqvA3wYyDO83ry2mcvH8QtgVxx8OiIAiUKIafbKVFOkMEpCFsvJpeWZG 3+DI3iSpsoJQQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 16:45:25 +0000 From: nipponpost@airmail.cc In-Reply-To: <20191102210600.60400.qmail@mail.muc.de> References: <20191102210600.60400.qmail@mail.muc.de> Message-ID: X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:54:54 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I'm a licensed attorney and have been studying copyright for years. I am not going to identify myself. Informing people of their legal rights is not a threat, and the FSF will lose any statutory revocation action in the US. And yes, I already know the legal arguments you are going to make (you will beg the courts to consider the charitable exception regarding the requirement for consideration when making a binding promise to donate, however here Congress chose to completely bypass and nullify contract-law principals (and exceptions) and write in a statutory right of recovery after 35 years (within a window of time) for copyrights, regardless of what the license contract or assignment said. You will also try to claim that the works were works for hire, you will fail on that as well) On 2019-11-02 21:06, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > In article you > wrote: >> I am going to find who actually created the joke, if at all I possibly >> can, and inform HIM about copyright reversion under section 203 of the >> Copyright Act. > >> Additionally, in the fullness of time, I will also inform your Estate >> about said feature of the Copyright Act, along with all others who >> contributed code to free-software I can find who are affected by this >> war against sexism. > >> I will inform the Estates and Persons of the damages they can claim if >> the notice of reversion is not complied with, I will also inform them >> about derivative works and how any replacement code my very-well be >> derivative. > > Whoever you are, your posts are offensive and threatening. > > Please be aware that the Free Software Foundation has some very good > lawyers on its staff, who know all about copyright. > > Why are you hiding your identity? What are you scared of? > > Please identify yourself. From unknown Sat Sep 13 04:54:42 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 17:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed To: 38002@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157280047913579 (code B ref 38002); Sun, 03 Nov 2019 17:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2019 17:01:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRJFe-0003Wl-Th for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 12:01:19 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:45840) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRJFc-0003Tq-SK for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 12:01:17 -0500 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iRJFY-0007a6-Oe for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 18:01:15 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <20191102210600.60400.qmail@mail.muc.de> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 18:01:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: (nipponpost@airmail.cc's message of "Sun, 03 Nov 2019 16:45:25 +0000") Message-ID: <87h83kao87.fsf_-_@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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