From unknown Sat Sep 13 08:55:32 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#37964 <37964@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#37964 <37964@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries Reply-To: bug#37964 <37964@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2025 15:55:32 +0000 retitle 37964 [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries reassign 37964 emacs submitter 37964 Stefan Kangas severity 37964 normal tag 37964 patch thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 28 12:37:55 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2019 16:37:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46276 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iP81i-00065n-OP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:37:55 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:57829) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iP81h-00065f-2b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:37:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41505) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iP81f-0003lV-I9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:37:52 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iP81e-0000aD-GP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:37:51 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f175.google.com ([209.85.210.175]:45068) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iP81b-0000YC-VK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:37:50 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f175.google.com with SMTP id c7so6051165pfo.12 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:37:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wSvzB3YG3g1EyKLvunotPBF4B9oUx3RV6koY5UYl9GM=; b=cClche5BIGwz79PmfzmDeQMgSS4Y+Ll7O82A2t9VenVYNBzMC8rY1dBITks8+oRi+C 4UqgAKyPObT3+r9yWcJ3DLHKCqpz6XLw9geYwOXhAzAR4Duem7Pk8qcBvwGi+qse8i86 t3wse4gnb9i++sXNa3AF0BXn0XyzxfL+gznMZo+x0VY+e36xWp9pDOI6vptzn9BbKCu+ GbzyXAbOdEU15DDnQedEI/4BQQvfCx7M5tbgA40zerrE9GskJhxS4abuOgKurTJ9HQ1z ISh9bxqdL8WyDMi+hbcc1TFiZlY48DEwmH51KOXGh6oLu/57YU127AbDyveeEw7OSVWo XAaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX73UVrTAzRNHg9lzHaszu8aRfXYFS0UwFj5Vzks3Xj37e17zzg hYd4MRJg2dI0R3Hx+TG/UBkTFygPRwpVXY6+S3X9f/4E X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzpLbOvB2kj2jjwDLx1aM75Hytc8b47e7ivpF4xk0NnbNhPjK0fvQ525Qg7/NfqG0iu2PmPIZERsMZKIKV9YhY= X-Received: by 2002:a63:7015:: with SMTP id l21mr11270719pgc.200.1572280666038; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:37:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:37:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="00000000000096454f0595fb1eb4" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.210.175 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) --00000000000096454f0595fb1eb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Inspired by Bug#37956, I had a look to see if we reference any other obsolete libraries in the manuals. The attached patch fixes what I could find. It would be good if someone had a look especially at the attempt to remove the references to tls.el and starttls.el in the elisp manual. Best regards, Stefan Kangas --00000000000096454f0595fb1eb4 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="0001-Remove-references-to-obsolete-libraries.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-Remove-references-to-obsolete-libraries.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: X-Attachment-Id: f_k2anauws0 RnJvbSA0MzI2MDJlY2Y5ZGU4ZGJlOGE3OTNkNTY5OGI4ZjJkZjRhNjdjMjFiIE1vbiBTZXAgMTcg MDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQpGcm9tOiBTdGVmYW4gS2FuZ2FzIDxzdGVmYW5rYW5nYXNAZ21haWwuY29t PgpEYXRlOiBNb24sIDI4IE9jdCAyMDE5IDE3OjMzOjIyICswMTAwClN1YmplY3Q6IFtQQVRDSF0g UmVtb3ZlIHJlZmVyZW5jZXMgdG8gb2Jzb2xldGUgbGlicmFyaWVzCgoqIGRvYy9lbWFjcy9jbWRh cmdzLnRleGkgKEdlbmVyYWwgVmFyaWFibGVzKToKKiBkb2MvbGlzcGludHJvL2VtYWNzLWxpc3At aW50cm8udGV4aSAoTGlzcCBIaXN0b3J5KToKKiBkb2MvbGlzcHJlZi9wcm9jZXNzZXMudGV4aSAo TmV0d29yayk6CiogZG9jL21pc2MvZ251cy1jb2RpbmcudGV4aSAoR251cyBDb2RpbmcgU3R5bGUp OgoqIGRvYy9taXNjL2dudXMudGV4aSAoT29ydCBHbnVzKToKKiBkb2MvbWlzYy9zbXRwbWFpbC50 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37964@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:39:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52892) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iPArf-0000eV-VU; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:39:44 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4720 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iPArf-0005bF-B6; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:39:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:39:37 +0200 Message-Id: <83lft4r75y.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:37:34 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#37964: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37964 Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:37:34 +0100 > > diff --git a/doc/lispref/processes.texi b/doc/lispref/processes.texi > index 287221a184..71ce1a8b56 100644 > --- a/doc/lispref/processes.texi > +++ b/doc/lispref/processes.texi > @@ -2426,18 +2426,15 @@ Network > @cindex encrypted network connections > @cindex @acronym{TLS} network connections > @cindex @acronym{STARTTLS} network connections > -Emacs can create encrypted network connections, using either built-in > -or external support. The built-in support uses the GnuTLS > -Transport Layer Security Library; see > +Emacs can create encrypted network connections, using the built-in > +support for the GnuTLS Transport Layer Security Library; see > @uref{https://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/, the GnuTLS project page}. > If your Emacs was compiled with GnuTLS support, the function > @code{gnutls-available-p} is defined and returns non-@code{nil}. For > more details, @pxref{Top,, Overview, emacs-gnutls, The Emacs-GnuTLS manual}. > -The external support uses the @file{starttls.el} library, which > -requires a helper utility such as @command{gnutls-cli} to be installed > -on the system. The @code{open-network-stream} function can > -transparently handle the details of creating encrypted connections for > -you, using whatever support is available. > +The @code{open-network-stream} function can transparently handle the > +details of creating encrypted connections for you, using whatever > +support is available. Not sure if we should remove references to starttls etc. Does anyone else have an opinion? > -Use of any form of TLS/SSL requires support in Emacs. You can either > -use the built-in support (in Emacs 24.1 and later), or the > -@file{starttls.el} Lisp library. The built-in support uses the GnuTLS > -@footnote{@url{https://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/}} library. > -If your Emacs has GnuTLS support built-in, the function > -@code{gnutls-available-p} is defined and returns non-@code{nil}. > -Otherwise, you must use the @file{starttls.el} library (see that file for > -more information on customization options, etc.). The Lisp library > -requires one of the following external tools to be installed: > +Use of any form of TLS/SSL requires support in Emacs. You can use the > +built-in support for the GnuTLS > +@footnote{@url{https://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/}} library. If your > +Emacs has GnuTLS support built-in, the function > +@code{gnutls-available-p} is defined and returns non-@code{nil}. The > +Lisp library requires one of the following external tools to be > +installed: The last part should be deleted if we are removing the starttls stuff, because the "Lisp library" refers to it. Also, you have only one space between sentences there. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 08:11:05 2019 Received: (at 37964) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 13:11:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT42a-0005Mg-Mb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:11:05 -0500 Received: from host.gofardesign.uk ([208.79.239.190]:58973) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT42X-0005M2-EH for 37964@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:11:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=bRbOPoYJIS2kPQ8CHN5jWB2NgB9WBJB/wJCqmFMsHfk=; b=RkYsvTaTc6HcoYFWH1xZKGvAmU Mv8T89DOf57BHUe9bCY64Z8lkNx4BsYILHNO5h2AAPgXT+R7AY+clhXXXI3McfK1QLZ+1KcpNw15s EmHDfOzGIobQLqDHd/27nFBeYvgi8mqq0FwAGmVe0P28vADtWJZue7V8VJWc5f93SAPQ=; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:33482 helo=localhost) by host.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iT42R-0005tz-AH; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 07:10:56 -0600 From: Stefan Kangas To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#37964: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries In-Reply-To: <83lft4r75y.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:39:37 +0200") References: <83lft4r75y.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:10:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87eeyitswy.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: host.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37964 Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Eli Zaretskii writes: > Not sure if we should remove references to starttls etc. Does anyone > else have an opinion? My understanding was that we avoid recommending use of obsolete libraries. Both tls.el and starttls.el are obsolete in 27.1. The alternative to removing them would be to update it to say they are now obsolete, I guess? Please let me know if that is preferred. > The last part should be deleted if we are removing the starttls stuff, > because the "Lisp library" refers to it. Also, you have only one > space between sentences there. Thanks, I've fixed that in the attached patch. Best regards, Stefan Kangas --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-Remove-references-to-obsolete-libraries.patch >From eafc61090841ed1a825a45ffb1f058cd31380945 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:33:22 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries * doc/emacs/cmdargs.texi (General Variables): * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (Lisp History): * doc/lispref/processes.texi (Network): * doc/misc/gnus-coding.texi (Gnus Coding Style): * doc/misc/gnus.texi (Oort Gnus): * doc/misc/smtpmail.texi (Encryption): Remove references to obsolete libraries. (Bug#37964) --- doc/emacs/cmdargs.texi | 6 ------ doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi | 2 +- doc/lispref/processes.texi | 13 +++++-------- doc/misc/gnus-coding.texi | 10 ---------- doc/misc/gnus.texi | 2 +- doc/misc/smtpmail.texi | 23 ++++------------------- 6 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 45 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/emacs/cmdargs.texi b/doc/emacs/cmdargs.texi index b3d9af0baf..015ed3ae94 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/cmdargs.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/cmdargs.texi @@ -565,12 +565,6 @@ General Variables @item HOSTNAME @vindex HOSTNAME@r{, environment variable} The name of the machine that Emacs is running on. -@c complete.el is obsolete since 24.1. -@ignore -@item INCPATH -A colon-separated list of directories. Used by the @code{complete} package -to search for files. -@end ignore @item INFOPATH @vindex INFOPATH@r{, environment variable} A colon-separated list of directories in which to search for Info files. diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi index 489ba8d6ef..b25b7ffa84 100644 --- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi +++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi @@ -923,7 +923,7 @@ Lisp History in the 1960s. It is somewhat inspired by Common Lisp, which became a standard in the 1980s. However, Emacs Lisp is much simpler than Common Lisp. (The standard Emacs distribution contains an optional extensions -file, @file{cl.el}, that adds many Common Lisp features to Emacs Lisp.) +file, @file{cl-lib.el}, that adds many Common Lisp features to Emacs Lisp.) @node Note for Novices @unnumberedsec A Note for Novices diff --git a/doc/lispref/processes.texi b/doc/lispref/processes.texi index 5caf0a2426..9c200a0278 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/processes.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/processes.texi @@ -2426,18 +2426,15 @@ Network @cindex encrypted network connections @cindex @acronym{TLS} network connections @cindex @acronym{STARTTLS} network connections -Emacs can create encrypted network connections, using either built-in -or external support. The built-in support uses the GnuTLS -Transport Layer Security Library; see +Emacs can create encrypted network connections, using the built-in +support for the GnuTLS Transport Layer Security Library; see @uref{https://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/, the GnuTLS project page}. If your Emacs was compiled with GnuTLS support, the function @code{gnutls-available-p} is defined and returns non-@code{nil}. For more details, @pxref{Top,, Overview, emacs-gnutls, The Emacs-GnuTLS manual}. -The external support uses the @file{starttls.el} library, which -requires a helper utility such as @command{gnutls-cli} to be installed -on the system. The @code{open-network-stream} function can -transparently handle the details of creating encrypted connections for -you, using whatever support is available. +The @code{open-network-stream} function can transparently handle the +details of creating encrypted connections for you, using whatever +support is available. @defun open-network-stream name buffer host service &rest parameters This function opens a TCP connection, with optional encryption, and diff --git a/doc/misc/gnus-coding.texi b/doc/misc/gnus-coding.texi index 6affea4872..240c795ac5 100644 --- a/doc/misc/gnus-coding.texi +++ b/doc/misc/gnus-coding.texi @@ -96,16 +96,6 @@ Gnus Coding Style @c As of 2005-10-21... There are no Gnus dependencies in this file. -@item tls.el -TLS/SSL support via wrapper around GnuTLS -@c As of 2005-10-21... -There are no Gnus dependencies in this file. - -@item pgg*.el -Glue for the various PGP implementations. -@c As of 2005-10-21... -There are no Gnus dependencies in these files. - @item sha1.el SHA1 Secure Hash Algorithm. @c As of 2007-08-25... diff --git a/doc/misc/gnus.texi b/doc/misc/gnus.texi index 8ab1cf9f68..b4cf1613db 100644 --- a/doc/misc/gnus.texi +++ b/doc/misc/gnus.texi @@ -27940,7 +27940,7 @@ Oort Gnus @acronym{TLS} wrapper shipped with Gnus @acronym{TLS}/@acronym{SSL} is now supported in @acronym{IMAP} and -@acronym{NNTP} via @file{tls.el} and GnuTLS. +@acronym{NNTP} via GnuTLS. @item Improved anti-spam features. diff --git a/doc/misc/smtpmail.texi b/doc/misc/smtpmail.texi index 7fa7b24e16..558f67fa7d 100644 --- a/doc/misc/smtpmail.texi +++ b/doc/misc/smtpmail.texi @@ -295,26 +295,11 @@ Encryption are: @code{starttls} to insist on STARTTLS; @code{ssl} to use TLS/SSL; and @code{plain} for no encryption. -Use of any form of TLS/SSL requires support in Emacs. You can either -use the built-in support (in Emacs 24.1 and later), or the -@file{starttls.el} Lisp library. The built-in support uses the GnuTLS -@footnote{@url{https://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/}} library. -If your Emacs has GnuTLS support built-in, the function +Use of any form of TLS/SSL requires support in Emacs. You can use the +built-in support for the GnuTLS +@footnote{@url{https://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/}} library. If your +Emacs has GnuTLS support built-in, the function @code{gnutls-available-p} is defined and returns non-@code{nil}. -Otherwise, you must use the @file{starttls.el} library (see that file for -more information on customization options, etc.). The Lisp library -requires one of the following external tools to be installed: - -@enumerate -@item -The GnuTLS command line tool @samp{gnutls-cli}, which you can get from -@url{https://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/}. This is the recommended -tool, mainly because it can verify server certificates. - -@item -The @samp{starttls} external program, which you can get from -@file{starttls-*.tar.gz} from @uref{ftp://ftp.opaopa.org/pub/elisp/}. -@end enumerate @cindex certificates @cindex keys -- 2.20.1 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 09:25:19 2019 Received: (at 37964) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 14:25:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45107 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT5CQ-0000uw-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 09:25:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56972) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT5CO-0000uh-Ff for 37964@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 09:25:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48453) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT5CJ-0005nf-AH; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 09:25:11 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1919 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iT5CD-0001N2-0Z; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 09:25:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 16:24:53 +0200 Message-Id: <83y2wqbg3u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: <87eeyitswy.fsf@marxist.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:10:53 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#37964: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries References: <83lft4r75y.fsf@gnu.org> <87eeyitswy.fsf@marxist.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37964 Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:10:53 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Not sure if we should remove references to starttls etc. Does anyone > > else have an opinion? > > My understanding was that we avoid recommending use of obsolete > libraries. Both tls.el and starttls.el are obsolete in 27.1. > > The alternative to removing them would be to update it to say they are > now obsolete, I guess? Please let me know if that is preferred. I don't mind removing the references, I just don't know whether people are still using starttls. Thus the request for more opinions. > > The last part should be deleted if we are removing the starttls stuff, > > because the "Lisp library" refers to it. Also, you have only one > > space between sentences there. > > Thanks, I've fixed that in the attached patch. Thanks, it's fine now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 15 15:09:29 2020 Received: (at 37964) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2020 20:09:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iroyl-0002Tq-P3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:09:29 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:41830) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iroyg-0002Ta-My for 37964@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:09:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gRpGtMTVAJTbVnRflFI3j+PJSBDvpkAZXGvngbO+D1o=; b=ZiIMxiEn2ejQuqVaAFrEgpG76a TJ79/KRvfC01x7eaal3y8U62UNgWMvhl83m7aN3qnYj7hrPhmqmtTyCcnkXxYZ9gHWxydrzz2jMUE JO7H9HRRKlqphOLxLs9ZrfYuK/C8RqIV2wJ02VpMvXb0a8lymPuWA914VpvYPa8X1hA9WIC6WKGlF i7uQk7E9RSS0L9BCxtnaxVl5+Y/rIlIADCyvy9cK1zg5M38ZHqm13I+C2CqFgyA5xiGubW9PIrrhX 66EdiulmwP4DR4J+XNH4Z0cgBOGkyhuXVYOtupbQatjIT3V+/hid05Kj7o0NMD30vOZYLV9j3Jalp 1xWI50nQ==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:39148 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iroyb-000084-4X; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:09:17 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#37964: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries In-Reply-To: <83y2wqbg3u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 08 Nov 2019 16:24:53 +0200") References: <83lft4r75y.fsf@gnu.org> <87eeyitswy.fsf@marxist.se> <83y2wqbg3u.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:09:15 +0100 Message-ID: <87eew01nys.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37964 Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:10:53 +0100 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > Not sure if we should remove references to starttls etc. Does anyone >> > else have an opinion? >> >> My understanding was that we avoid recommending use of obsolete >> libraries. Both tls.el and starttls.el are obsolete in 27.1. >> >> The alternative to removing them would be to update it to say they are >> now obsolete, I guess? Please let me know if that is preferred. > > I don't mind removing the references, I just don't know whether people > are still using starttls. Thus the request for more opinions. No further comments within 10 weeks. Is this okay to install? I assume as a doc fix it should go to the release branch. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 16 09:29:33 2020 Received: (at 37964) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2020 14:29:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1is69N-0004Zm-Jr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:29:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43196) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1is69J-0004ZX-Mf for 37964@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:29:31 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56877) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1is69E-0007Nd-I8; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:29:24 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4676 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1is69D-0007np-Gf; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:29:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:29:40 +0200 Message-Id: <834kwv4gq3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: <87eew01nys.fsf@marxist.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:09:15 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#37964: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries References: <83lft4r75y.fsf@gnu.org> <87eeyitswy.fsf@marxist.se> <83y2wqbg3u.fsf@gnu.org> <87eew01nys.fsf@marxist.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37964 Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:09:15 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Stefan Kangas > >> Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:10:53 +0100 > >> > >> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> > >> > Not sure if we should remove references to starttls etc. Does anyone > >> > else have an opinion? > >> > >> My understanding was that we avoid recommending use of obsolete > >> libraries. Both tls.el and starttls.el are obsolete in 27.1. > >> > >> The alternative to removing them would be to update it to say they are > >> now obsolete, I guess? Please let me know if that is preferred. > > > > I don't mind removing the references, I just don't know whether people > > are still using starttls. Thus the request for more opinions. > > No further comments within 10 weeks. Is this okay to install? Yes, thanks. > I assume as a doc fix it should go to the release branch. This case is a rare exception, since we only just declared it obsolete in the upcoming Emacs 27.1. Please install on master. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 16 09:36:10 2020 Received: (at 37964) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2020 14:36:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36960 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1is6Fi-0004m8-2G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:36:10 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:50472) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1is6Fc-0004lS-TK; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:36:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SYg55f9dNMxZhbxsP3tsdxeB22Wg6I+0JJ6Q35cAMf4=; b=DSyPL8oVn0FpqCn9HAfpFRjkd/ nAzGV2DF72ZebbIPA0MuWyIQnr9rxx0r/PMc0LOUZp3k49vbBHki0cIOdDyuNT3l+IcT9IZAKND+V ctQGETTEajvKX0Vv1UVIjpz1A60sXypv6rrAVOUQUgW6qWlyUgRRAeNy9ulg2J0U0URXHirDV061I QkDs0coTTWdKnrgfATxSCvWCyHKF6vBzbriarUClgwuXnG+JnaSp/bLnd2Vs/aw6fyx+/JjRELS2E yr3dVgbuRAMR18kFSsdp6yWozHrbRsVLjp+b1M/9Xl3uXjvP7cAyedhg1mAMMtQTljMKWf+3T/nk4 9+y7R5ow==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:46180 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1is6FX-000Pqj-4J; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:35:55 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#37964: [PATCH] Remove references to obsolete libraries In-Reply-To: <834kwv4gq3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:29:40 +0200") References: <83lft4r75y.fsf@gnu.org> <87eeyitswy.fsf@marxist.se> <83y2wqbg3u.fsf@gnu.org> <87eew01nys.fsf@marxist.se> <834kwv4gq3.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:35:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87o8v3wjsm.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37964 Cc: 37964@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) close 37964 28.1 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: >> No further comments within 10 weeks. Is this okay to install? > > Yes, thanks. > >> I assume as a doc fix it should go to the release branch. > > This case is a rare exception, since we only just declared it obsolete > in the upcoming Emacs 27.1. Please install on master. Thank you for taking a look; pushed to master. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sat Sep 13 08:55:32 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 12:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator