From unknown Sat Aug 16 21:01:12 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#37837 <37837@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#37837 <37837@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: [PATCH] Make sb-image.el obsolete Reply-To: bug#37837 <37837@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 04:01:12 +0000 retitle 37837 [PATCH] Make sb-image.el obsolete reassign 37837 emacs submitter 37837 Stefan Kangas severity 37837 normal tag 37837 patch thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 20 16:28:57 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2019 20:28:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55340 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMHou-0004HX-R2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:28:57 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42469) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMHot-0004HQ-Rz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:28:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51201) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMHos-0004JX-Ne for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:28:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMHor-0003E5-Ko for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:28:54 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f177.google.com ([209.85.215.177]:40619) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMHor-0003Do-B8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:28:53 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f177.google.com with SMTP id 15so1025803pgt.7 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nlYx4dZQXdF6lX4mVtt33AZS3qntH32VnQKA9TKggU4=; b=YsXaP4I/uSKeWttr9AbsXINNJXg8PSLRvORFsGozgPOz3bQ4xrTEP87X7xdglz/qi2 ZRq17ppWHd5D5OzfMAlLAp6bvJh47LkAThi/uSfDyEZa4TlMszZFDfJqqaPGIw8nxwfn 2wCli/+oyvmA8CINLaBZ8Y+xr8vNmmXRR0wjdtAJcSNW9bsnXolCcJHTp0REVoBFSZSv 0AWNdd3R8jSMdrfLAE+gwJvVHdlk5D+CZBew181Q3sNPDTYwHo9thUZBQbmSkyI0EUzo LOgJLLSssOOOCUfvg7eP8aN2cO49lC7ZeJOWbeZRT+uCM5IqhoRHIZjpBKWLGbGWQloh vC1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWoI9d+WzoVgwqVnZpLIJIpOruxd1CDjWOJKmiajQGY4kmnni1z +fTg9F5eiLbCkt8NW4qeONJjc6qdq4tMmy4vOm1JGZIl X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzxF6HNQi30GR6ATMO5rUJvmBJGKdFDdvSDrWguSBpfJ0oeFwnBJz/6besql1zd8gIQe88Y1UD+IkIjTkZw160= X-Received: by 2002:a63:cd18:: with SMTP id i24mr3941502pgg.333.1571603331678; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:28:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [PATCH] Make sb-image.el obsolete To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000503cf405955d6a1f" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.215.177 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) --000000000000503cf405955d6a1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" sb-image.el says: ;; Supporting Image display for Emacs 20 and less, Emacs 21, and XEmacs, ;; is a challenging task, which doesn't take kindly to being byte compiled. ;; When sharing speedbar.elc between these three applications, the Image ;; support can get lost. ;; ;; By splitting out that hard part into this file, and avoiding byte ;; compilation, one copy speedbar can support all these platforms together. I suggest to get rid of this compatibility kludge. Is the attached patch an acceptable way to do that? 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--000000000000503cf405955d6a1f-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 21 02:27:21 2019 Received: (at 37837) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2019 06:27:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55613 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMRA1-00044I-Gu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 02:27:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33379) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMR9x-000444-ON for 37837@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 02:27:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60477) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMR9s-0004aF-F1; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 02:27:12 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2598 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iMR9r-0004JO-37; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 02:27:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:27:04 +0300 Message-Id: <83d0eq4nrb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:28:40 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#37837: [PATCH] Make sb-image.el obsolete References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37837 Cc: 37837@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:28:40 +0200 > > sb-image.el says: > > ;; Supporting Image display for Emacs 20 and less, Emacs 21, and XEmacs, > ;; is a challenging task, which doesn't take kindly to being byte compiled. > ;; When sharing speedbar.elc between these three applications, the Image > ;; support can get lost. > ;; > ;; By splitting out that hard part into this file, and avoiding byte > ;; compilation, one copy speedbar can support all these platforms together. > > I suggest to get rid of this compatibility kludge. Is the attached > patch an acceptable way to do that? Did we decide to drop support of those older Emacs versions? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 01 23:21:46 2019 Received: (at 37837) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 03:21:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57913 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQjz0-0002Gu-F6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:21:46 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f195.google.com ([209.85.210.195]:45788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQjyy-0002Gh-GO for 37837@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:21:45 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f195.google.com with SMTP id z4so2242036pfn.12 for <37837@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V8Zu8HKD8AWqJJqgYy4HtNHa703uZt5bFrvyEIZLZ1M=; b=U9N4/zdPxWmmIhv6rcwD0k2+gATF84nuczEpYcM9cX8/K47Bm+/i8x8GVr1nciQ5eE /Xv5kk+mh0Uo9VyMBhIBXjKSpnNr+zt1Ckcq7sWzd7JZ6DSskVppAlOmorVHEv2as38h dhfTmBpVgrwZUjOWLm5YCEUnIboe4lHgT8p0RisZFqEIrQn8NKsyO3lAF0C++Fthmmx5 NtmPIOBYTUBl9xVUTXKE5mMfn3+Ky1HKPjvKXnIqjJlLnC04yF8qGrQLgEUtaKBGd6rF 8OkxR4k62gw5l3zmgmyIBuQDP1Kt5FzL5lm9/+WjiCFOlcqF11iw8Urm8QAvk2UwGCu3 fd5A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUDq7I9Dzdmebmm/oJfv62kWPzgFG6qVrcyxCz6aLY/egzITk4l hdkU3r7eSup51eOUpL1U1fQivfgjE9qUBKpe6XU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqydfIltKBXi+CJKuzkZniKDCfNPQfPFHprn31HhKn1s6PffvK91XYE0370WYk8j/V2FwskdR+K+fpcF2Ffnc9g= X-Received: by 2002:a63:a05c:: with SMTP id u28mr18048491pgn.333.1572664898472; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:21:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83d0eq4nrb.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83d0eq4nrb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 04:21:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#37837: [PATCH] Make sb-image.el obsolete To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37837 Cc: 37837@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > From: Stefan Kangas > > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:28:40 +0200 > > > > sb-image.el says: > > > > ;; Supporting Image display for Emacs 20 and less, Emacs 21, and XEmacs, > > ;; is a challenging task, which doesn't take kindly to being byte compiled. > > ;; When sharing speedbar.elc between these three applications, the Image > > ;; support can get lost. > > ;; > > ;; By splitting out that hard part into this file, and avoiding byte > > ;; compilation, one copy speedbar can support all these platforms together. > > > > I suggest to get rid of this compatibility kludge. Is the attached > > patch an acceptable way to do that? > > Did we decide to drop support of those older Emacs versions? I'm not aware of any general requirement to maintain backwards compatibility with ancient Emacs versions on master. For example, we have dropped all compatibility function and variable aliases. Users of Emacs 21 or older should surely just use whatever was shipped with the version of Emacs that they are using. Or am I missing something? To be clear, this package is not distributed on GNU ELPA as far as I can tell. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 17 04:57:40 2019 Received: (at 37837) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2019 09:57:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40358 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWHJM-0001Hy-NH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 04:57:40 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45764) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWHJL-0001Hl-K9 for 37837@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 04:57:40 -0500 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iWHJC-0005Xn-Bl; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:57:32 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#37837: [PATCH] Make sb-image.el obsolete References: <83d0eq4nrb.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:57:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 2 Nov 2019 04:21:27 +0100") Message-ID: <878soe965y.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > I'm not aware of any general requirement to maintain backwards > compatibility with ancient Emacs versions on master. For example, we > have dropped all compatibility function and variable aliases. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: ingebrigtsen.no] -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37837 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 37837@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > I'm not aware of any general requirement to maintain backwards > compatibility with ancient Emacs versions on master. For example, we > have dropped all compatibility function and variable aliases. We routinely drop support for old versions of Emacs from the .el files in Emacs -- there's no point in carrying around dead weight. So I think the patch looks good to me. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 17 00:57:06 2020 Received: (at 37837) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2020 05:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38763 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isKd0-0003ze-4U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 00:57:06 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:37140) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1isKcy-0003z5-CJ; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 00:57:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=snDRl5IQkUBpEmLCYOvG0Vk1THjxDwwteSyKG7Zd1GA=; b=KKYqntRgxeB7cka2nd8jEO9evV YJj5LvtHdTCM2WnfeWys1SDkfOmsXjfPl7t0sFwxeVJViObkhNVcQHbpimLC2VhPJCbl2n8u31O1G BJg9JVCMeJ7uMamSzS3+igVvtN9UjnbsTCdpy6uMgHn6IkNxhpD2NhAnPwohcWFhTuJtuc9ciKal7 ddUoDOUgIlde6ondf25XOHSActaZ9EcmFRgusrR9rSpNXLQi54llz99T8AEDRgTBd7dHcoJQogqX/ tnWIEcFvn3EGxZCBefrPfrWKT8qnSUxFc0ratCX7vvIyUy5yQYbQLcrzbJzt+tdjNUhpGRYnHM8ih zDEmQ8uw==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:48486 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1isKcs-001ebo-8d; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 00:56:58 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#37837: [PATCH] Make sb-image.el obsolete In-Reply-To: <878soe965y.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:57:29 +0100") References: <83d0eq4nrb.fsf@gnu.org> <878soe965y.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 06:56:56 +0100 Message-ID: <87sgke1v87.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37837 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 37837@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) close 37837 28.1 thanks Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > We routinely drop support for old versions of Emacs from the .el files > in Emacs -- there's no point in carrying around dead weight. > > So I think the patch looks good to me. No further comments within 8 weeks, so I pushed this to master as commit 6dbe2c932a. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sat Aug 16 21:01:12 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator