From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:48:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37818: [PATCH] Various FAQ updates Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 21:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 37818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15714328497348 (code B ref -1); Fri, 18 Oct 2019 21:08:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2019 21:07:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51668 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLZT7-0001uS-Hu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:07:29 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:49155) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLZT4-0001uH-LD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:07:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLZT3-00068N-Mf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:07:26 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLZT2-0008T9-PE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:07:25 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173]:39082) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLZT2-0008Sl-I8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:07:24 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f173.google.com with SMTP id s17so3420487plp.6 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:07:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cR8exEB9JegjH1ag4V9CwRKIGaFctW/YxiOfD8J894A=; b=thjttf9qCOdHBuWSTvSKKM8Rdnp5kAVxokUz50WXpB9V2GEd6G2QSPbGx6qEH9bj/b obl9c1LVqHhqp+G/S3xaS6rrCCZIXdPwnFl60BMbGkc29ZlcT+ste8chSFalm00oWEuR lJIIXzSElsBCPKycudYLW0oRebOpmdo7knun2eTc92p21ehu+NJVeHR7oU4qG60MNvuV YnFlu790mu44eyT/2mbJ5PyBJ2yCpkjJ0mB7dFLsz2acWGf/pa3r1FQwAmN2MmLyalsC J3Qg8zJiRPKkGvSFG/OVbpLlz34bspmHRy5NbYYsxpWZ6HrJYJTZuHkwEibVDGYnJb7x pcqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWy3XCbr/8kEIrn8tD+FfrUbc42etIMr6UDQVCzshvqjS9tRUhs jSipVAEiHNkPLe5+3tF9RqXR6mYPuV2FH1dl8of5/Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw4IIpq5ANwQh8LSehSrrIIv4ZoHSQMfZpfOZUlH7uRbAkogpRJq8V1HIeOYKeDKOHrtFRypGzxN0AwhbryfkM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:6b88:: with SMTP id p8mr11307502plk.251.1571432842355; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:07:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:07:10 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000005bedac059535b85c" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.214.173 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) --0000000000005bedac059535b85c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Please find attached three patches with FAQ updates: 1. Remove section on how to enable the default behaviour of having the region highlighted, which is probably not a frequently asked question. 2. Remove information on large files in ancient versions of Emacs that would only confuse new users. This leaves in only the information on the relatively recent versions of Emacs. 3. Update section on Emacs security to remove reference to the now very old "movemail" incident, and add relevant information on packages. Perhaps this section could be extended, or other risks added and/or removed. If anyone has any ideas for what to add, I'd be happy to do so. 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Sat, 19 Oct 2019 06:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 37818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 06:28:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51818 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLiDZ-0005ip-7P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 02:28:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49842) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLiDX-0005iZ-Ap for 37818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 02:27:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60277) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLiDS-0002uf-3g; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 02:27:54 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4673 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iLiDQ-0001vz-VR; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 02:27:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:27:41 +0300 Message-Id: <834l058d2a.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:07:10 +0200) References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:07:10 +0200 > > 1. Remove section on how to enable the default behaviour of having the > region highlighted, which is probably not a frequently asked question. OK. > 2. Remove information on large files in ancient versions of Emacs that > would only confuse new users. This leaves in only the information on > the relatively recent versions of Emacs. IMO, this section should first tell that Emacs has an inherent fixed limitation on the size of buffers, as that is not something people assume nowadays. It should cite the limitation separately for 32-bit builds, 32-bit builds --with-wide-int, and 64-bit builds. Then it should say that this limitation also imposes size limit on visiting files, but the file-size limit is roughly about half the buffer limit, due to decoding and other stuff. I would also mention visiting compressed archives, because the size limitation might be hit half-way through decompression. Thanks. From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:48:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37818: [PATCH] Various FAQ updates Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37818.157147414919556 (code B ref 37818); Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 37818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 08:35:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLkDF-00055K-Ag for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 04:35:49 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:46942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLkDD-00055B-Ft for 37818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 04:35:47 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLkDA-0003mS-C9; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:35:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:35:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:07:10 +0200") Message-ID: <87tv85gmjk.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > 3. Update section on Emacs security to remove reference to the now > very old "movemail" incident, and add relevant information on > packages. Perhaps this section could be extended, or other risks [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > 3. Update section on Emacs security to remove reference to the now > very old "movemail" incident, and add relevant information on > packages. Perhaps this section could be extended, or other risks > added and/or removed. If anyone has any ideas for what to add, I'd be > happy to do so. Looks good to me. That incident is not something that's frequently asked about. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:48:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37818: [PATCH] Various FAQ updates Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 13:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37818.157148995319245 (code B ref 37818); Sat, 19 Oct 2019 13:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 37818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 12:59:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLoK9-00050L-Gd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:59:13 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f182.google.com ([209.85.214.182]:38411) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLoK7-000508-Ox for 37818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:59:12 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f182.google.com with SMTP id w8so4218294plq.5 for <37818@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1lOg3arIogEb47v2Pwg5fV21NTTeXVjC6GfPABJDJ1M=; b=jma5jyseyAuN8CM5j51xo7SGuKUfB+kZ5mdIc1wVb19WaZN1C9ZEKA5e2Sp4HcGLVR QAydFHrMcg65OwRAdsNKoaQ7UxY06JQUErVLhvxiZrjlBCnG0rDt3stdMe6DbMhLyPHk AwtCTicTTeaDhklTN1PpI3QH8K0bqUICzp8qLtBP1jDjo+rSBa6Dal7G3bjWyPPoAYBB XrXSa22RaLCvSKW9nwDdCiVP+sdRJvhvgCbdsE0GOGT9rmN5huSxUCT6ZRT8j8Mwxad6 u3WVlLl7kpoRXpB/8np50qrUwjRl/2OlWwUUlfzmkvSCqIED2/zPEMEd6epF6G9t/okN iyvg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXE3WHpXVQmLlPqO5efwuv5nhNIJR3Hgr0IAJLiibfqXzkl8W0U 8a203GDZ3lgUy25Qf8ndbEQ36RUjkuJKbSAh7niXpIMM X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyqbLgNWr0QR1zC/Qwk+3KJk2HVicda1LnjkXEIwC44LmM+1emg8bezd0oJuqbYJQOedt+k7DuoNyHQheErs3k= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:a98c:: with SMTP id bh12mr4188072plb.128.1571489945715; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:59:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <834l058d2a.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <834l058d2a.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:58:53 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000fbc4170595430348" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --000000000000fbc4170595430348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii writes: > > 1. Remove section on how to enable the default behaviour of having the > > region highlighted, which is probably not a frequently asked question. > > OK. Thanks, pushed to master as commit 11c3ec3df6a. > > 2. Remove information on large files in ancient versions of Emacs that > > would only confuse new users. This leaves in only the information on > > the relatively recent versions of Emacs. > > IMO, this section should first tell that Emacs has an inherent fixed > limitation on the size of buffers, as that is not something people > assume nowadays. It should cite the limitation separately for 32-bit > builds, 32-bit builds --with-wide-int, and 64-bit builds. Then it > should say that this limitation also imposes size limit on visiting > files, but the file-size limit is roughly about half the buffer limit, > due to decoding and other stuff. I would also mention visiting > compressed archives, because the size limitation might be hit half-way > through decompression. Thanks. I've attached a revised patch here according to your comments. I'm not sure what the file size limit is for --with-wide-int on 32-bit builds or 64-bit builds, so that still needs adding. Could someone please give the exact numbers or tell me where I can find them? 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Sat, 19 Oct 2019 06:00:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87tv85gmjk.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87tv85gmjk.fsf@gnus.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:59:52 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > 3. Update section on Emacs security to remove reference to the now > > very old "movemail" incident, and add relevant information on > > packages. Perhaps this section could be extended, or other risks > > added and/or removed. If anyone has any ideas for what to add, I'd be > > happy to do so. > > Looks good to me. That incident is not something that's frequently > asked about. Thanks. I'll wait a couple days to see if anyone else has something to add before I push it. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:48:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37818: [PATCH] Various FAQ updates Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37818.157149482528223 (code B ref 37818); Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 37818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 14:20:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53456 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLpai-0007L9-KX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:20:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33139) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iLpaf-0007Kr-5B for 37818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:20:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36143) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLpaZ-0008Kr-TX; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:20:15 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2075 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iLpaZ-0007Wo-4c; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:20:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 17:20:03 +0300 Message-Id: <838spg7r70.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:58:53 +0200) References: <834l058d2a.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:58:53 +0200 > Cc: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org > > Thanks. I've attached a revised patch here according to your > comments. I have some, see below. > I'm not sure what the file size limit is for > --with-wide-int on 32-bit builds or 64-bit builds, so that still needs > adding. Could someone please give the exact numbers or tell me where > I can find them? See below. > +Emacs has an inherent fixed limitation on the size of buffers. I'd suggest to say that the limitation is more strict that the maximum size of objects supported by programs with the same architecture, because otherwise this sentence might be misunderstood. > The > +maximum buffer size on 32-bit machines is 512 MBytes beginning with > +version 23.2. If Emacs was built using the @code{--with-wide-int} > +flag, the maximum buffer size on 32-bit machines is ***FIXME*** > +MBytes. The number here is 2GB. > +This limitation imposes a size limit on visiting files, which is > +roughly half the buffer limit due to things like decoding of multibyte > +characters. When visiting compressed archives, the file size > +limitation will be smaller than that due to decompression. > + > +Unless you want to visit unusually large files, this should only be an > +issue on 32-bit machines. Emacs compiled on a 64-bit machine can > +handle much larger buffers. The limit value for 64-bit builds is that of most-positive-fixnum. From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:48:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37818: [PATCH] Various FAQ updates Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37818.15715796313258 (code B ref 37818); Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 37818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2019 13:53:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMBeZ-0000qU-0Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 09:53:51 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180]:38714) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMBeX-0000qG-2w for 37818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 09:53:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f180.google.com with SMTP id h195so6652978pfe.5 for <37818@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 06:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wxcekTqnWhLLoJB+8UvNp55qU7leMoF3UvG9edJXCIg=; b=B9fmuegnS0wo4VDd9Gq+PAjVFFwPFItMYBz/UkB6AI75v5KFz1FhRIajk3LKg0ApGj 2donxzfKWu9wP1rdDUtFtAc4XDzpQxkOOM4l+iRbsNJLROXbwKcnFRlhHARlUosBrjcO VcWKGNeilGmeEJ3urKVW610PX/v5tIc1AwVhRimBcvxzD/z7HZXuZXADc1Wom8/jUDwF sI92Poay0zS3r6FtPM43F1d+8W/Q8E9D/G11v2vcdp8Q7DAXZnr1lkIyQSH0fuNdBcUx 8Q6rrxi/GZ+7CLkwEyqMLqEW+PtY1/04MnBno+jACRgybRRq2TbxBshvWECO/xfwaJNC NkcA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXqTI833l4javilETp4elrIuDloC+WQuq18lK3SxsU75tt8tIix Z1F4Ekbs2PijGgh2eqM5RsVxmA96lz76A6YAkp4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw8XxZgxkbM1o7iPysOOxuqcUzpn1NlUFhBE3XMSAJ8itM8cvhLO7Q2oc3MJW5vr8/SIJsKgpkqX8aWFLZru/M= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4046:: with SMTP id n67mr18936235pga.200.1571579623162; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 06:53:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <834l058d2a.fsf@gnu.org> <838spg7r70.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <838spg7r70.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:53:31 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000002cddaf059557e507" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --0000000000002cddaf059557e507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii writes: > > +Emacs has an inherent fixed limitation on the size of buffers. > > I'd suggest to say that the limitation is more strict that the maximum > size of objects supported by programs with the same architecture, > because otherwise this sentence might be misunderstood. Done. > > > The > > +maximum buffer size on 32-bit machines is 512 MBytes beginning with > > +version 23.2. If Emacs was built using the @code{--with-wide-int} > > +flag, the maximum buffer size on 32-bit machines is ***FIXME*** > > +MBytes. > > The number here is 2GB. Fixed. > > +This limitation imposes a size limit on visiting files, which is > > +roughly half the buffer limit due to things like decoding of multibyte > > +characters. When visiting compressed archives, the file size > > +limitation will be smaller than that due to decompression. > > + > > +Unless you want to visit unusually large files, this should only be an > > +issue on 32-bit machines. Emacs compiled on a 64-bit machine can > > +handle much larger buffers. > > The limit value for 64-bit builds is that of most-positive-fixnum. Fixed. Please find attached an updated patch. 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Sun, 20 Oct 2019 14:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 37818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2019 14:49:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMCVx-0002ST-EE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:49:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42773) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMCVv-0002SH-OZ for 37818@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:49:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49462) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMCVq-0000y4-IL; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:48:54 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1122 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iMCVp-0001sA-EC; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:48:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 17:48:45 +0300 Message-Id: <834l035v76.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:53:31 +0200) References: <834l058d2a.fsf@gnu.org> <838spg7r70.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:53:31 +0200 > Cc: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org > > Fixed. Please find attached an updated patch. LGTM, thanks. From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:48:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37818: [PATCH] Various FAQ updates Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 23:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37818.15718722695168 (code B ref 37818); Wed, 23 Oct 2019 23:12:01 +0000 Received: (at 37818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2019 23:11:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35153 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iNPmX-0001LI-7x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:11:09 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f177.google.com ([209.85.214.177]:44200) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iNPmV-0001Ke-Hm for 37818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:11:08 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f177.google.com with SMTP id q15so10840691pll.11 for <37818@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:11:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9sOJHsajtdJC4ntsW9s5XkCswmBjw6rLTXigYRJPFiI=; b=IYLeVh8j2VnmubjQ2IO2Qo0gOYYrLby0tg2+fgI3kOgX0xDNFouOIHRfSfDVA8Ggyl hJ+AUaimQEApq0PdLgNAsDwGWXA9vNBSo0SWCjAL3n21IrqHdoKQtI6zihGSJntatfPc Wi6OuyYQPUhqSwSzdoppG9/Xkqw9lqNu/JYLDay1l5V5l4pXPfcmuoVmIgh8MgGmQBP7 cY1t2OefmNqv3tHjCvhHa1Bj616kXuOS+6Y0Um93GEMlnzQvQEbS6kz7ZT9CkQapMSWp 1NpLmJepnXIl9zNG+8JCEFC//NIUssrWgBoReWlUbqWMso2EYtrRa58TBlkpz0QPEYnS tqfg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW6YCvZDdBl9X9bhheQSHqeaGR3zeW1iV4RNaR7mcE227aU2e9Q bG4Pew0NHJ/E9egqxo5hcCOxP0eCdW8sZUyYyP4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwmlhCku/AaYzD/HHesehprEbVk+qFRReatbmGQZrlQzrPHDM1JPlJATrRcqjiT2I4tA5p40M2TmaiyCXWpJ2o= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:a98c:: with SMTP id bh12mr12798350plb.128.1571872261579; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:11:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87tv85gmjk.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 01:10:50 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Stefan Kangas writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > Looks good to me. That incident is not something that's frequently > > asked about. > > Thanks. I'll wait a couple days to see if anyone else has something > to add before I push it. No one seemed to have any further comments. I've therefore pushed this to master as commit 61223a046c3. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Sat Aug 16 22:48:03 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37818: [PATCH] Various FAQ updates Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 23:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 37818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37818.15718723385285 (code B ref 37818); Wed, 23 Oct 2019 23:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 37818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2019 23:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35158 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iNPnd-0001NA-Jb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:12:17 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f182.google.com ([209.85.210.182]:34758) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iNPnb-0001Ms-Re for 37818@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:12:16 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f182.google.com with SMTP id b128so13878102pfa.1 for <37818@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:12:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FWS5sb2aywQiAOtazcjnIomBTXy5e8ICt/+gOtlSz5k=; b=qv5GNHijtrnCA/zG+Wv75YbYvxMcas/zM12aTNtA1+WxCxnRLxWIHkaGEEifJDhO8E K7y7WyQbH5POYBsMTVwCWaCdOdZNx88TMC+MJvsUM9/qhhaEt2nsfs0TbD2k+q8jNtJs yY5LPnFak3HJtwZ+/UMfXP/y0X0Ckl4W6inNzSJYOa6/g5l4STEnL3lOxI3qdx4R4qgQ aSWSCe9W3cOxGahCCMILTEC+KvxmRb2V1NIzEK+pJJhFuQalBWt3SaZs8uyTAMv3bpX6 17B/03+MzIyUGsyg/oVx7lWQSlpFNsJ1jyO91427fLOZuyJR2ev7Flq7+jVsXLzbDpUJ xXvA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVIg5UhOAnMThk9FZ9ryv3ddvPWwERlHmUJBiun/NL7goMmV8xK Z0xw/t3V00qFEceBX6HEI5bvDwwy67z5k8LHlAw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyUeBN4yfZtGO6dUA/UvY5S7dNJDjgKQIhlvLWL8suDLvIY205K3yD0EzmM2b5j9cQfUV/sQQ6v7Rqvzp3bkIM= X-Received: by 2002:a63:cd18:: with SMTP id i24mr13532730pgg.333.1571872329914; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:12:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <834l058d2a.fsf@gnu.org> <838spg7r70.fsf@gnu.org> <834l035v76.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <834l035v76.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 01:11:58 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 37818 27.1 quit Eli Zaretskii writes: > LGTM, thanks. Thanks, pushed to master as commit b3b74514e9. Best regards, Stefan Kangas