From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 15 18:45:57 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2019 22:45:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKVZl-0005fF-CO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:45:57 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:56651) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKVZk-0005f5-5B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:45:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39886) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iKVZj-0005nX-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:45:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iKVZi-0000gu-2k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:45:54 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:60854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iKVZh-0000gG-RE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:45:54 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9FMdBHO128287 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:45:51 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=JKI8Y2uZyvLRZdLAudcq0clCjCkaIuPLrsfIFllmdFI=; b=NZhXCixEvEDEkC31dRESX36H0/in8yIgR7tQRHiwa3P5aJ3a9Iy+AADGtexoohC0BK9H OgCnh+Mf8L5hL9DYijmBfbeBeLFlzEWEmRqG1ZYW6SbS/QBGGZCh76XaVj4I56gYQWU4 ay1y30PYSlciNFvdkzgFOJ3d8PfOaM4rHL6jOz2agyGu1fh0WM44pJAoKlk20zW2w8U7 AlQ7/ya+ttuOMgYAdw1CCPmxOLjW0muOiLTupPgh2NQozGC13GeBEH43cuJGMNqy+C+6 gSnek+oHTNS2k1WfuWSsI5o4KtsB2YzpYNBwB0JDc7k5bCq7uM2vC9NLMfVMbnFFzDnj RQ== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vk7frb1ah-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:45:51 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9FMc98x072678 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:45:50 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vnb0g1h4n-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:45:50 +0000 Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x9FMjn7R009482 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:45:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.3; Doc of recentf, particularly `recentf-list' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9411 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910150195 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9411 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910150195 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.85 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Many users use recentf. Likewise, libraries. Nowhere is it said what order the files are listed in, i.e., the order of the elements of `recentf-list'. The answer is apparently that, by default at least, a file is pushed to the front of the list when it is "opened" or written. A more exact answer is that `recentf-list' is in reverse chronological order of calls to `recentf-track-opened-file'. And by default that function is added to these hooks: `find-file-hook' and `write-file-functions'. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.17763 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 16 22:48:11 2019 Received: (at 37772) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2019 02:48:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46860 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKvpj-0007MF-Ib for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:48:11 -0400 Received: from [80.91.231.51] (port=43204 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKvph-0007M5-Bd for 37772@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:48:09 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iKvpd-0004Mv-HT; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 04:48:08 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#37772: 26.3; Doc of recentf, particularly `recentf-list' References: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 04:48:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <877e54m6je.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > Many users use recentf. Likewise, libraries. Nowhere is it said what > order the files are listed in, i.e., the order of the elements of > `recentf-list'. The answer is apparently that, by default a [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > Many users use recentf. Likewise, libraries. Nowhere is it said what > order the files are listed in, i.e., the order of the elements of > `recentf-list'. The answer is apparently that, by default a [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. 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And by default that > function is added to these hooks: `find-file-hook' and > `write-file-functions'. I think that seems pretty self-evident -- the doc strings talk about "most recent" etc, so what other ordering could be meant? So I don't see anything to fix here and I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 16 22:48:16 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2019 02:48:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46863 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKvpn-0007MZ-Qg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:48:16 -0400 Received: from [80.91.231.51] (port=43220 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKvpl-0007MQ-Q6 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:48:14 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iKvpj-0004N4-1e for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 04:48:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 04:48:10 +0200 Message-Id: <875zkom6j9.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #37772 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: close 37772 quit Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) close 37772 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 17 11:43:19 2019 Received: (at 37772) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2019 15:43:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48754 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iL7vr-0008QZ-GW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:43:19 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:48908) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iL7vq-0008QL-1m for 37772@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:43:18 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9HFg3K0016842; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:43:11 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=LdjTn25nAluLGcIZzSWawjdviU9aE2KArrUIWdU/hvo=; b=H9jlUdRlH2x6Ps31DblnYblqi3duWCAoLrCpXKESOeVwjJU/dwl4m5RDGdONH5r5GSgy ISepu0oNjN6PLWpzCFsVre0hs4wHPnAoai6cZ8qN5IvdDyqCYF2zjZ4SzQBWqjQOMf3y D8N7wuak+zuXbx/6P8jSvv23GFpCtyzZpN3EO2XX9YA527ABmz+vf1WqH22IHSsnbwCE 4qaVi3HJCxrchtXiGC/k13FRZYRzWEPSL1vaJli3rBGAHJPoGRblM6eNvcZx3JSMM/Iq 30uQoXwOlC10eSqWtXLP3J04WM5B1QjFfuhqadh8zoavoyKw0AWTrJA5eK5nnHzqz17v OQ== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vk6sqyaer-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:43:11 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9HFcm99008331; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:41:11 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vp70q57sa-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:41:11 +0000 Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x9HFfARS005310; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:41:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <15372348-a7e5-4b90-b8ab-bee94a484b55@default> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:41:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#37772: 26.3; Doc of recentf, particularly `recentf-list' References: <877e54m6je.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <877e54m6je.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9413 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=958 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910170140 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9413 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910170140 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37772 Cc: 37772@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Many users use recentf. Likewise, libraries. Nowhere is it said > > what order the files are listed in, i.e., the order of the elements of > > `recentf-list'. The answer is apparently that, by default at least, > > a file is pushed to the front of the list when it is "opened" or > > written. > > > > A more exact answer is that `recentf-list' is in reverse > > chronological order of calls to `recentf-track-opened-file'. > > And by default that function is added to these hooks: > > `find-file-hook' and `write-file-functions'. >=20 > I think that seems pretty self-evident -- the doc strings talk about > "most recent" etc, so what other ordering could be meant? It's not obvious at all. That the 30 most recently opened files are listed says _nothing_ about the order in which they're listed. And nothing is said about the situations when (by default) the list (`recentf-list') is updated. The answer is in the hooks. It's not about re-selecting the window of a file buffer or changing a file outside Emacs, for instance. (Not by default, at least.) > So I don't see anything to fix here and I'm closing this bug report. Unfortunate. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 17 13:11:44 2019 Received: (at 37772) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2019 17:11:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48872 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iL9JQ-0002TT-EA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:11:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39140) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iL9JO-0002TF-Li for 37772@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:11:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iL9JF-0006j4-QG; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:11:35 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2969 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iL9JD-0000nn-F9; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:11:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:11:16 +0300 Message-Id: <83mudz9u17.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#37772: 26.3; Doc of recentf, particularly `recentf-list' References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37772 Cc: 37772@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:45:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > Many users use recentf. Likewise, libraries. Nowhere is it said what > order the files are listed in Thanks, I added that. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:44:43 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator