From unknown Mon Jun 16 23:41:14 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#37562 <37562@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#37562 <37562@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led Reply-To: bug#37562 <37562@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 06:41:14 +0000 retitle 37562 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led reassign 37562 emacs submitter 37562 Nicolas Semrau severity 37562 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 30 14:16:59 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 18:16:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60481 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iF0EB-0001vk-QQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:16:56 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36862) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEysG-000454-9O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:50:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44442) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iEysE-0002lk-VV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:50:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEysD-00032q-RW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:50:10 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]:45296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEysD-00031R-Ne for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:50:09 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id c25so40027695iot.12 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:50:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UCVcW/vmmld7kZBcZNus/x4KjMLOEB61EifSopAeZmQ=; b=g1DaAgl1idFI/FizkQ0Pj9ge/f0tiXMWwlDLZOP6upJk74/YW7FW39R4oBpJlQenVS YSPSdVTik7wKyJfCvFh34MKRfuO5+ZMQQuT7WIXjSuJ82D73iCd3uL8LY292eSGYuoTl 6YFc7UVXyugcJsa/3F0zjOlvk6xrCzjHamQzpZxSkHROlnxDI4fSN0lUXyDWkXCCVkwE t/AdV6JxBWBVHZQqBFYGUjIuTXJjBjYabPzqZP3F5/gfWDUq4QCyohhACXURkgGxUW4q HzoiFi5WkQA8Q35x1uVYQPCyXh/QQ8XpJ1UtuBFInDy5ic0f4a6nkFDxTtwBCmQeXsvT UsOg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UCVcW/vmmld7kZBcZNus/x4KjMLOEB61EifSopAeZmQ=; b=jWMm7M82gGsBOVxlZz91XqOeP020d7dgEBOVWyRKaqyO8EqCcKK0Es6wYggIFIeGYs UAvPC2U1k3Ud+Y+yXH6FT9W2e69HcPSk4DijyJMnxCCYT5dCtCuxkOliclMMVtXesKjW 7f72C+yxXwEmWLd9nH9JQOU8T+lCNxMoWt3FVzswE5/xCnQlwoKGJStAbFiMme8in7Xu ilpac3KvqYMRASSDIcEOJ2+wf+f3gap98YaMlVRMC+7GmpxuZ5DaSxEHvReOwks+N2dB jY5XLixonDn2nDquEY4F9HyCLMIL9sIxo9mRHg0Dk1RI4gPak1Mu/rBygjXPyDAnFBne oPhw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXSCdlQisKHNeWYEjK7fjcwJo8FwyT/kt7qbucwL8ObdC6pJ3EW 19tKD05ByaRngdqOwQT9PDheAgTc0b6h7TIkuN1H7w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxfU5JhmQRcR489W7ZkOPewRpEKj8YyQzRVh5F98cEwM1azHKE3YRFXK+PRH0J/BUEyNR6sERAcgweaHo29WSE= X-Received: by 2002:a92:cd50:: with SMTP id v16mr20901478ilq.157.1569862206894; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:50:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Nicolas Semrau Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:49:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003179220593c80797" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:16:53 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --0000000000003179220593c80797 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Five years ago, Stefan Monnier asked if vt100-led.el and vt-control.el could be obsoleted.[1] Since there was no objection at the time (and the hardware certainly not gaining in popularity since then), I propose to go through with declaring /lisp/vt-control.el and /lisp/vt100-led.el obsolete. [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-05/msg00169.html --0000000000003179220593c80797 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Five years ago, Stefan Monnier asked if vt100-led.el and v= t-control.el
could be obsoleted.[1] Since there was no objection at= the time (and
the hardware certainly not gaining in popularity s= ince then), I propose
to go through with declaring /lisp/vt-contr= ol.el and /lisp/vt100-led.el
obsolete.

[1] h= ttps://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-05/msg00169.html
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--0000000000003179220593c80797-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 30 14:27:14 2019 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 18:27:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iF0O8-0002Cc-5M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:27:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49620) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iF0O6-0002CP-Cu for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:27:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44049) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iF0O1-0005cU-8D; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:27:05 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1355 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iF0O0-0005r6-0f; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:27:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:27:02 +0300 Message-Id: <83h84tbpxl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Nicolas Semrau In-reply-to: (message from Nicolas Semrau on Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:49:56 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: 37562@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Nicolas Semrau > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:49:56 +0200 > > Five years ago, Stefan Monnier asked if vt100-led.el and vt-control.el > could be obsoleted.[1] Since there was no objection at the time (and > the hardware certainly not gaining in popularity since then), I propose > to go through with declaring /lisp/vt-control.el and /lisp/vt100-led.el > obsolete. Aren't they useful with lisp/term/vtXXX.el, which we didn't yet obsolete? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 06 23:19:25 2019 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2019 04:19:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41541 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSZGX-000513-FJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 23:19:25 -0500 Received: from host.gofardesign.uk ([208.79.239.190]:53233) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSZGV-00050m-K9 for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 23:19:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZRJ474fHNkW3l3WyAbL1/HPdH9L8KcS1Y9NAP99J8/c=; b=SNwH92pbXyqCjkSB/FZ2prG75r A8gcyBJv+XmB0y+Ug3KHMLsJXtEd6p8WHEhUjj/97nfe9G8vl+a0KE9LcK704Z9ulJmhVgL4V5grm m+LVyRlZH4Hd41C1tG/M+8W8xPtlcaidf2jHyluYsgGEIYxQfXQtTgLEw8jwdFiwJLSc=; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:46400 helo=localhost) by host.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iSZGO-0007U9-Dv; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 22:19:17 -0600 From: Stefan Kangas To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led In-Reply-To: <83h84tbpxl.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:27:02 +0300") References: <83h84tbpxl.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 05:19:14 +0100 Message-ID: <87r22kz5bx.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: host.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: Nicolas Semrau , 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Nicolas Semrau >> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:49:56 +0200 >> >> Five years ago, Stefan Monnier asked if vt100-led.el and vt-control.el >> could be obsoleted.[1] Since there was no objection at the time (and >> the hardware certainly not gaining in popularity since then), I propose >> to go through with declaring /lisp/vt-control.el and /lisp/vt100-led.el >> obsolete. > > Aren't they useful with lisp/term/vtXXX.el, which we didn't yet > obsolete? Is there any reason not to obsolete lisp/term/vtXXX.el as well? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 06 23:19:41 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2019 04:19:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSZGm-00051f-QT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 23:19:41 -0500 Received: from host.gofardesign.uk ([208.79.239.190]:46960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSZGk-00051J-Sg for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 23:19:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Subject:From:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Message-ID:Cc:MIME-Version :Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=JR/RKobBjnmXxAJor5j+1DrltWBfnp2DUH4QCwOBCcY=; b=allcOMUbvFOyUVJwA8rFXGIvXx TcARvNOVjb0R9/VAYIB/YAgsu4XPJm96WlSNhyn99oB8efJJ7QK0hVjYMju1z1r9NvWaPK13eo2ce fM4sRAJr4l+cKEOJW/lYsVT4WoNy8BFPfdDR1kCGcnnfQLPgZDSKtvI3qEInuM/esb3Y=; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:46404 helo=localhost) by host.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iSZGa-0007Wm-UM for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 22:19:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 05:19:27 +0100 To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Stefan Kangas Subject: control message for bug #37562 X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: host.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) severity 37562 wishlist quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 07 09:28:04 2019 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2019 14:28:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41853 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSilY-0002jh-6I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 09:28:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSilV-0002jN-CP for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 09:28:02 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43027) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSilQ-0007hb-2N; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 09:27:56 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1728 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iSilO-0005jG-7p; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 09:27:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:27:41 +0200 Message-Id: <83bltng3s2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: <87r22kz5bx.fsf@marxist.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 07 Nov 2019 05:19:14 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led References: <83h84tbpxl.fsf@gnu.org> <87r22kz5bx.fsf@marxist.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: nicolas.semrau@gmail.com, 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Cc: Nicolas Semrau , 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, > Stefan Monnier > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 05:19:14 +0100 > > > Aren't they useful with lisp/term/vtXXX.el, which we didn't yet > > obsolete? > > Is there any reason not to obsolete lisp/term/vtXXX.el as well? I think they are still being used, albeit rarely, with emulators of those old terminals. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 07 19:02:54 2019 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 00:02:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44149 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSrjp-0007Mo-OD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:02:54 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f179.google.com ([209.85.214.179]:44505) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iSrjo-0007Ma-12 for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:02:52 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f179.google.com with SMTP id az9so1900725plb.11 for <37562@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:02:51 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6wsByx8c4AW6UHMHk2YfvvcEQO1Bhu4sgCJRDwQx+dU=; b=PtMfdatv+Sb0MHGFK8pDn2AfrXu8+FdzLuLimZkOCPhbi33pX3w+LffrCbu6euXOl4 fQ7qIijUshuC3TNeSYpPHM09wi31XpG1Ar0CvgxG27AZYjVL/oK6qEOoGPk5RuLxRLFm hgw2EiQItq7kCPgQ4r9AnoW8Yx7rt0TgPgzjWuRX0NVDt6T4Hfeb+I61mPSCnCGilZCS 1QcOASAygtGTnvmEGlze10kyiS4MTz4sJNtc9cgRv46iQmOknvxLzmR2q1xDzkwu3rir Ov3qkSEqh/Z6iDhtSiCxt3PufxMOG4vHdi2U3M6ugWG6uNKMfWjD9K1d119DtZWgcu8O 2CQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX1sih6AfJ4zaM5bmpBXPJBlD7xqSJHOS7qWe9bNtohdNgXt7P5 /dCVXhguh8oRdivrBpB3Gtipbet/7OXp55O9ejY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwGka9U4E1EkE4aoN6SObPQ6ZAIAVzxsdjd1ut2WfuAhKIpvx5Ox55yd7BL1/cezD4VizUIFff9BQCW6nRd3D4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:d152:: with SMTP id t18mr9097877pjw.119.1573171366292; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:02:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83h84tbpxl.fsf@gnu.org> <87r22kz5bx.fsf@marxist.se> <83bltng3s2.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83bltng3s2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 01:02:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: nicolas.semrau@gmail.com, 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Aren't they useful with lisp/term/vtXXX.el, which we didn't yet > > > obsolete? > > > > Is there any reason not to obsolete lisp/term/vtXXX.el as well? > > I think they are still being used, albeit rarely, with emulators of > those old terminals. Would it make sense to mark them as obsolete and if anyone complains to create a new ELPA package for them instead? We could even say in NEWS that, in case anyone is still using this, we would appreciate it if they reported back to emacs-devel or somesuch. (I think I've seen that being done once before, so there is some precedent.) My objective in writing this is to figure out a way forward for the original request/suggestion, but I don't feel very strongly about it. However, if we can't find a reasonable way to do this, or if we don't want to, I think we're better off closing this as wontfix. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 04:58:17 2019 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 09:58:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44642 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT121-0006Zf-5N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 04:58:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60662) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT11z-0006ZQ-Et for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 04:58:15 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:32783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT11u-0001zZ-20; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 04:58:10 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1391 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iT11s-0006ly-Nv; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 04:58:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 11:57:58 +0200 Message-Id: <83v9rud715.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 8 Nov 2019 01:02:35 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led References: <83h84tbpxl.fsf@gnu.org> <87r22kz5bx.fsf@marxist.se> <83bltng3s2.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: nicolas.semrau@gmail.com, 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 01:02:35 +0100 > Cc: nicolas.semrau@gmail.com, 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, > Stefan Monnier > > Would it make sense to mark them as obsolete and if anyone complains > to create a new ELPA package for them instead? We could even say in > NEWS that, in case anyone is still using this, we would appreciate it > if they reported back to emacs-devel or somesuch. (I think I've seen > that being done once before, so there is some precedent.) > > My objective in writing this is to figure out a way forward for the > original request/suggestion, but I don't feel very strongly about it. > However, if we can't find a reasonable way to do this, or if we don't > want to, I think we're better off closing this as wontfix. I prefer the latter. This issue is so minor that we've already invested way too much energy in it. There's no tangible benefit in obsoleting these tiny files. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 08:41:20 2019 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 13:41:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4Vr-00089b-Q9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:41:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49015) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4Vq-00089P-OE for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:41:19 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47792) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4Vl-0000u5-An; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:41:13 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3088 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4Vk-0004r5-SJ; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:41:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 15:41:02 +0200 Message-Id: <838soqcwpd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Nicolas Semrau In-reply-to: (message from Nicolas Semrau on Fri, 8 Nov 2019 12:45:10 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led References: <83h84tbpxl.fsf@gnu.org> <87r22kz5bx.fsf@marxist.se> <83bltng3s2.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9rud715.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Nicolas Semrau > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 12:45:10 +0100 > Cc: Stefan Kangas , 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > > > There's no tangible benefit in obsoleting these tiny files. > > So files like this will probably stay in the codebase indefinitely? "Indefinitely" is a very long time. Some time, maybe not very far away, but definitely much sooner than "indefinitely", I will step down, and someone else will be in charge of these decisions. They might make a different decision about this issue. My personal preference is to invest energy in adding new features and improving existing features, rather than in making such insignificant cleanups. YMMV. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 08 09:08:26 2019 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2019 14:08:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45063 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT4w5-0000Rh-DB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 09:08:26 -0500 Received: from mail-il1-f175.google.com ([209.85.166.175]:47088) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iT2hi-0001DX-SD for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 06:45:27 -0500 Received: by mail-il1-f175.google.com with SMTP id q1so4171732ile.13 for <37562@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 03:45:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=n48ZH1059fw+hGRMOuIZskZ6Vq1vR+ipVtlo5nYckz8=; b=acqMq6wYwXUHYzEgcUrT8+kDunojINIfAVuF8Oowfrffq6Ym42GAXyuLavTuKvnLHC 9qRFxr7pSR7DX7+wHZR3LEleDexoBPTa9lOeKa9hU2jqsNfCDiRLC7J5JfeDvVaAO+AU YsOs7QIQhwWC3MH+PDqHKBgdd/6DN0gctYc/45HVH7EODdpDlFQe/rf6Pqs/9btPRcmY IS//TjByTu1TQv0PbDcRROHp/XEpPshWAQPKc9N9Zmkik3OBb+5bXmlO/eOjQPLOuaaf 0VN2JiHaryopqbhGVrCWjgZvs1Xyd/BUdwBKtwbQeRtafpwiN9P0DE5eMEqMy4JAtqDS zmTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=n48ZH1059fw+hGRMOuIZskZ6Vq1vR+ipVtlo5nYckz8=; b=Drke6Z1gRrSh8Ud3h8Sh6tB6YK1gchRQim5/71AbUGBdyIK0L+NIqbzhaqpzqoh5QJ OzOYQrkqUzWMV+wq0kiWP7PLtbvl5/ofNyiRoEDFJVJyiv+PkJhMU4YsnuJKlh9Ahi0T n2TrGdQ0R/WYzIJtYcUonkKdXpMqNHkcfTzpjWebWP9YWdA0r5ED23rODbSa2SYUl/QF Wnb/lVxqRip5TYDcdGRfPKh9ilxop8RUy0b4+eT60juCn1jkl2PdYbL/HDqnZdNfYyLN c3nW81AWrULXwxOp3c/2k2Eg9Jo+Ahh69kItV1b+yaNo+luD+julVbTPHh0ivzIZS3bu AEow== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWfUoQidS549qvGokuk9CZtsgd6W00RrUqQMeoZMfs/n4ivHAML sBck5GunxYQGcpoLyO4S1ratcpsGYNZYcFKzlDY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxfvUHYCniggN3d5KD4izf1MKTy9D3zn8Cfy4jX3QMgc+lcbcrQ6L3om8l1vCig9hF8ndhf4s1PNmy5xO6Lpdk= X-Received: by 2002:a92:889c:: with SMTP id m28mr11572028ilh.157.1573213521288; Fri, 08 Nov 2019 03:45:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83h84tbpxl.fsf@gnu.org> <87r22kz5bx.fsf@marxist.se> <83bltng3s2.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9rud715.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83v9rud715.fsf@gnu.org> From: Nicolas Semrau Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 12:45:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000017a3dc0596d451fe" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 09:08:22 -0500 Cc: 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000017a3dc0596d451fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > There's no tangible benefit in obsoleting these tiny files. So files like this will probably stay in the codebase indefinitely? I am aware that they do not make Emacs "worse", performance-wise. I just think linting files for those unused stone-age systems is beneficial at least in the sense of alleviating a certain "museum piece vibe" of Emacs. Am Fr., 8. Nov. 2019 um 10:58 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii : > > From: Stefan Kangas > > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 01:02:35 +0100 > > Cc: nicolas.semrau@gmail.com, 37562@debbugs.gnu.org, > > Stefan Monnier > > > > Would it make sense to mark them as obsolete and if anyone complains > > to create a new ELPA package for them instead? We could even say in > > NEWS that, in case anyone is still using this, we would appreciate it > > if they reported back to emacs-devel or somesuch. (I think I've seen > > that being done once before, so there is some precedent.) > > > > My objective in writing this is to figure out a way forward for the > > original request/suggestion, but I don't feel very strongly about it. > > However, if we can't find a reasonable way to do this, or if we don't > > want to, I think we're better off closing this as wontfix. > > I prefer the latter. This issue is so minor that we've already > invested way too much energy in it. There's no tangible benefit in > obsoleting these tiny files. > --00000000000017a3dc0596d451fe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> There's no tangible benefit in o= bsoleting these tiny files.

So files like this wil= l probably stay in the codebase indefinitely?

I am aware that they d= o not make Emacs "worse", performance-wise. I
just think linti= ng files for those unused stone-age systems is
beneficial at least in th= e sense of alleviating a certain "museum
piece vibe" of Emacs.=
Am Fr., 8. Nov. 2019 um 10:58=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> From: Stefan Kangas &= lt;stefan@marxist.se= >
> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 01:02:35 +0100
> Cc: nico= las.semrau@gmail.com, 37562@debbugs.gnu.org,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
>
> Would it make sense to mark them as obsolete and if anyone complains > to create a new ELPA package for them instead?=C2=A0 We could even say= in
> NEWS that, in case anyone is still using this, we would appreciate it<= br> > if they reported back to emacs-devel or somesuch.=C2=A0 (I think I'= ;ve seen
> that being done once before, so there is some precedent.)
>
> My objective in writing this is to figure out a way forward for the > original request/suggestion, but I don't feel very strongly about = it.
> However, if we can't find a reasonable way to do this, or if we do= n't
> want to, I think we're better off closing this as wontfix.

I prefer the latter.=C2=A0 This issue is so minor that we've already invested way too much energy in it.=C2=A0 There's no tangible benefit i= n
obsoleting these tiny files.
--00000000000017a3dc0596d451fe-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 02 13:42:24 2022 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2022 18:42:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53561 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFKaG-0005qv-CH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 13:42:24 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:42780) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFKa0-0005qA-Hr for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 13:42:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=9pQUF5B3WXfUvdm7122DvqX9+pAawtlo1Bmxm27dRyg=; b=HvTCIFhWErpTElAlg2g0UBhONR v1/PZNxHTph5cNxNbOqfXp56wsqrt4vpYCZ2fyZBfVWnWTwMNUfvLvONND2j6wswZJ4BRcHjUEDR/ g2+2kolmNJqhDSSdENc0Oy916p1/JQdd9lInRCaQDcnvNNQToomvStJfX5SZQfEw2KX0=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nFKZq-00070V-TU; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 19:42:02 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Nicolas Semrau Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led References: X-Now-Playing: The Residents's _Intruders_: "Shadows" Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 19:41:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Nicolas Semrau's message of "Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:49:56 +0200") Message-ID: <87y22tp0uh.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Nicolas Semrau writes: > Five years ago, Stefan Monnier asked if vt100-led.el and vt-control.el > could be obsoleted.[1] Since there was no objection at the time (and > the hardware certainly not gaining in popularity since [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: 37562@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Nicolas Semrau writes: > Five years ago, Stefan Monnier asked if vt100-led.el and vt-control.el > could be obsoleted.[1] Since there was no objection at the time (and > the hardware certainly not gaining in popularity since then), I propose > to go through with declaring /lisp/vt-control.el and /lisp/vt100-led.el > obsolete. > > [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-05/msg00169.html (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) 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Thu, 3 Feb 2022 01:09:32 +0000 Received: by kubenode510.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 8252b7bc67362a2cb5a635b9bbb70be0; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 01:09:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led References: <87y22tp0uh.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 09:09:23 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87y22tp0uh.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 02 Feb 2022 19:41:58 +0100") Message-ID: <87mtj892nw.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1013 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: Nicolas Semrau , 37562@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Nicolas Semrau writes: > >> Five years ago, Stefan Monnier asked if vt100-led.el and vt-control.el >> could be obsoleted.[1] Since there was no objection at the time (and >> the hardware certainly not gaining in popularity since then), I propose >> to go through with declaring /lisp/vt-control.el and /lisp/vt100-led.el >> obsolete. >> >> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-05/msg00169.html > > (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved > at the time.) > > I've now moved them to lisp/obsolete in Emacs 29. If it turns out that > they're useful (i.e., we get complaints from people using term/vtXXX), > then we'll reconsider, but it seems unlikely. Some people use niche terminal emulators that have various graphical effects aimed at resembling those old terminals, and that includes the LEDs. I don't know if they use the same control sequences as the real vt100, but it's plausible. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 03 14:13:13 2022 Received: (at 37562) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 19:13:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57812 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFhXd-0003Cz-1D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 14:13:13 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:53974) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFhXb-0003Cj-5y for 37562@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 14:13:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AQnojM3XI/Xs8Q0KEjRPACaCp3vjQyaQPGSpfOKGSQ4=; b=Mc7wEtqyBR8IDfeo8yUkvBm09v ly+voOslZx3XyrHMei7DIkreb4dLyfuu9RLwcTqYjCYy2pJSsMP9Gk91BGaCbdZjUu31E5i9kJ+SO IhBe38qEevXWjUbUnvkRKP5RfIhDz9nF+7dZJWGe2t442jDndUdIezWI8mm/gqP0ZTZ8=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nFhXR-0003Zw-PH; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 20:13:04 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Po Lu Subject: Re: bug#37562: 26.2; Obsolete vt-control and vt100-led References: <87y22tp0uh.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtj892nw.fsf@yahoo.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEXftaDTkHOeamBJ Nj+GeIP///9UTBKyAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+YCAxI5JEmZsMQAAAGFSURBVDjLbZQN bsMgDIXN1gMAu8Cwd4DVzgGqJfc/055NkkJaS5Uqf/jvGUKU6YNb6VaZuRHs0ygR8QSWG8DNKGeA chiAbkSJjUo+MlEHtoFsRvUokSl1sGwPopWYhMOLzFHEPORPqCVB8eytUI9wsAr9VgAEwZ/cD4Bc q9E9gGnJpYjtpmKkVVpJYmgAh/2MA7S71BW+KncqTiv3kIjgMKrGLbpyEwDzEg4Uf84yDqquD7QF sNppBHfhWlrKtZXbj+gJWH2ukqhy8ol4BNCkhMh9wg4wW8nQD8d9yDoBNwch8BWUWGQdUlmsoxVx sGsygsQawJ4gVp5TrP4VIJVcge8iQekQV0bQsHMxe6q+Azhyqu/AXtVFkwmoLyjmuwI+zSYAhdk1 H/wH8J/YaB2oXtwH6MPzO8DjDCPQqfITaPfKDNhBXI+53e+AjBvOUyo8ppjd7+mYKvuj1iA6RcC+ /KH4Q7YLwODSk12BR+h0/gTzcAcQ4xcNLT4oS2J+F2G/VF9C/gEWf6lMTPjvrwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0 ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMi0wMi0wM1QxODo1NzozNSswMDowMPeAsBUAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5 ADIwMjItMDItMDNUMTg6NTc6MzUrMDA6MDCG3QipAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Richard And Linda Thompson's _Pour Down Like Silver_: "Hard Luck Stories" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 20:13:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87mtj892nw.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2022 09:09:23 +0800") Message-ID: <875ypvojb6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Po Lu writes: > Some people use niche terminal emulators that have various graphical > effects aimed at resembling those old terminals, and that includes the > LEDs. > > I don't know if they use the same control se [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37562 Cc: Nicolas Semrau , 37562@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu writes: > Some people use niche terminal emulators that have various graphical > effects aimed at resembling those old terminals, and that includes the > LEDs. > > I don't know if they use the same control sequences as the real vt100, > but it's plausible. 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