From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:31:11 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3752: 23.0.95; I can not understant a sentence in Intro to Emacs Lisp . Reply-To: waterloo , 3752@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: waterloo Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:05:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 3752 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.124671242714181 (code B ref -1); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:05:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Jul 2009 13:00:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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I can not understant what is `readily settable variable' in second paragraph. Thanks . waterloo2005@gmail.com In GNU Emacs 23.0.95.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.14.7) of 2009-06-21 on laptop Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10503000 configured using `configure '--prefix=/usr' '--build=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--host=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--program-suffix=-emacs-23' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-sound' '--with-x' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--without-libotf' '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--without-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus' 'build_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -march=pentium-m -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_MONETARY: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=SCIM locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Minor modes in effect: reftex-mode: t TeX-fold-mode: t flyspell-mode: t TeX-source-specials-mode: t minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t icicle-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t global-auto-complete-mode: t auto-complete-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t yas/minor-mode: t auto-image-file-mode: t outline-minor-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Recent input: C-h C-h C-h C-h C-h C-h SPC SPC C-c C-p C-r % C-c C-p C-c C-r M-x r e p o r Recent messages: Type `C-c C-l' to display results of compilation. Quit Saving file /media/bak/latex/_region_.tex... Wrote /media/bak/latex/_region_.tex Type `C-c C-l' to display results of compilation. locating previews... Mark set Type `C-c C-l' to display results of compilation. Undo! [2 times] Computing completion candidates... --001636ed6a112a81d4046de0daba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --text follows this line--
In section 8.5.1 in the manual `Introduction = to Emacs Lisp'.=A0 I can
not understant what is `readily settable va= riable' in second
paragraph.=A0 Thanks . waterloo2005@gmail.com

In GNU Emacs 23.0.95.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.14.7)
=A0o= f 2009-06-21 on laptop
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundatio= n', version 11.0.10503000
configured using `configure=A0 '--pref= ix=3D/usr' '--build=3Di686-pc-linux-gnu' '--host=3Di686-pc-= linux-gnu' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir=3D/usr/sh= are/info' '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc'= ; '--localstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--program-suffix=3D-emacs-23= 9; '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-sound' &#= 39;--with-x' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gif= 9; '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--= with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--without-lib= otf' '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk' '= ;--without-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos= 5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus' 'build_alias=3Di686-p= c-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Di686-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-O2= -march=3Dpentium-m -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1''

Important settings:
=A0 value of $LC_ALL: nil
=A0 value of $LC_CO= LLATE: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8
=A0 value of $= LC_MESSAGES: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_MONETARY: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 v= alue of $LC_NUMERIC: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_TIME: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
= =A0 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3DSCIM
=A0 locale-coding-system: utf-8-uni= x
=A0 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Minor modes in effec= t:
=A0 reftex-mode: t
=A0 TeX-fold-mode: t
=A0 flyspell-mode: t
=A0 TeX-source-specials-mod= e: t
=A0 minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t
=A0 icicle-mode: t
=A0 = show-paren-mode: t
=A0 display-time-mode: t
=A0 global-auto-complete-= mode: t
=A0 auto-complete-mode: t
=A0 desktop-save-mode: t
=A0 yas/minor-mode: t
=A0 auto-image-file-mo= de: t
=A0 outline-minor-mode: t
=A0 shell-dirtrack-mode: t
=A0 too= ltip-mode: t
=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
=A0 menu= -bar-mode: t
=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=A0 font-lo= ck-mode: t
=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=A0 global-auto-composition-mode:= t
=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
=A0 au= to-compression-mode: t
=A0 column-number-mode: t
=A0 line-number-mode: t
=A0 transient-mark-= mode: t
=A0 abbrev-mode: t

Recent input:
<drag-mouse-1> = <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1>
<down-mouse-5= > <mouse-5> <help-echo> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1&g= t;
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <down-mouse-4> =
<mouse-4> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-m= ovement>
<help-echo> <drag-mouse-1> <help-echo> &l= t;down-mouse-1>
<mouse-1> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <help-echo> <= help-echo>
<down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down-mous= e-4> <double-mouse-4>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <= ;down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <help-echo>
<tool-bar> <Exit> <help-echo> <tool-bar> <Exit&g= t; <help-echo>
<tool-bar> <Exit> <help-echo> &l= t;help-echo> <help-echo>
<tool-bar> <kill-buffer> = <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <down-mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <down= -mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4> <double-mou= se-4> <help-echo>
<down-mouse-3> <mouse-3> <hel= p-echo> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-1> <help-echo> <menu-bar> <buffer> C-h <h= elp-echo>
<tool-bar> <kill-buffer> <menu-bar> <= buffer> C-h <help-echo>
<tool-bar> <kill-buffer> &= lt;help-echo> <menu-bar> <buffer>
C-h <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>=
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>= ; <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo&g= t; <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <menu-bar> <file> <kill-buffer> <hel= p-echo>
<menu-bar> <buffer> C-h <help-echo> <he= lp-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <h= elp-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <= ;help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> &l= t;help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <menu-bar> &l= t;file> <kill-buffer> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <menu-bar> <buffer> C-h <help-echo> <= ;help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> &l= t;help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> &= lt;help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <= ;help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> &l= t;menu-bar> <file>
<kill-buffer> <help-echo> <h= elp-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<menu-bar> <buffer> C-h <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> &l= t;double-down-mouse-4>
<double-mouse-4> <help-echo> <= help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <= ;help-echo> <help-echo> <menu-bar>
<file> <kill-buffer> <help-echo> <help-echo> <he= lp-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <down-mouse-3> &l= t;mouse-3> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <= ;help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <tool-bar> <latex> <help= -echo>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <do= wn-mouse-1>
<mouse-movement> <mouse-1> <return> &l= t;right> <right>
<right> <right> <right> <right> <right> <r= ight> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-1> SPC <delete> <de= lete> <delete> <delete> <delete>
<delete> &l= t;delete> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-1> SPC <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> &= lt;tool-bar>
<save-buffer> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-move= ment> <mouse-movement>
<drag-mouse-1> C-c C-p C-r <he= lp-echo> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-1> <help-echo> <down-mouse-3> <mouse-3> <= help-echo>
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-mov= ement> <drag-mouse-1>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-1> &= lt;mouse-movement> <mouse-1>
% <help-echo> <down-mouse-3> <mouse-3> <backspace> =
<help-echo> <tool-bar> <undo> <help-echo> <t= ool-bar>
<undo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-e= cho> <down-mouse-1>
<help-echo> <mouse-movement> <mouse-1> <help-echo> =
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <help-echo> <mouse= -movement>
<mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> <help-echo= > C-c C-p
C-c C-r <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <help-echo> <help-ech= o>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-ec= ho> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-e= cho> M-x r e p o <tab>
r <tab> <return>

Recent messages:
Type `C-c C-l' = to display results of compilation.
Quit
Saving file /media/bak/latex/= _region_.tex...
Wrote /media/bak/latex/_region_.tex
Type `C-c C-l'= ; to display results of compilation.
locating previews...
Mark set
Type `C-c C-l' to display results o= f compilation.
Undo! [2 times]
Computing completion candidates...
=
--001636ed6a112a81d4046de0daba-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:31:11 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3752: 23.0.95; I can not understant a sentence in Intro to Emacs Lisp . Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 3752@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:20:07 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3752 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3752-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3752.12467491121208 (code B ref 3752); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:20:07 +0000 Received: (at 3752) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Jul 2009 23:11:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n64NBmPE001196 for <3752@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:11:49 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MNEOY-0005AI-EC; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:11:46 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: waterloo Cc: 3752@debbugs.gnu.org References: <907065090907040600x6c452684n93bc105623d3dacf@mail.gmail.com> X-Spook: Saddam Hussein secure Agfa smuggle benelux ARPA North X-Ran: O (waterloo's message of "Sat, 4 Jul 2009 21:00:07 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii waterloo wrote: > --text follows this line-- > In section 8.5.1 in the manual `Introduction to Emacs Lisp'. I can > not understant what is `readily settable variable' in second > paragraph. Does the following make it clearer? When you specified a variable using the `defvar' special form, you could distinguish a variable that a user might want to change from others by typing an asterisk,... It should be read in the context of the previous paragraph. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:31:11 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3752: 23.0.95; I can not understant a sentence in Intro to Emacs Lisp . Reply-To: waterloo , 3752@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: waterloo Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:35:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3752 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3752-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3752.12467608642658 (code B ref 3752); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:35:06 +0000 Received: (at 3752) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 5 Jul 2009 02:27:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER,MULTALT, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n652Rd9b002651 for <3752@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:27:40 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MNHS7-0000c3-6O for 3752@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:27:39 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <19024.3995.87975.571160@fencepost.gnu.org> Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:27:39 -0400 Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: 3752@debbugs.gnu.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kOEvox8iqMWX+55iezC6IOUCPECxeGmc3qOb53nqMy4=; b=LTIAOFgTseJHCg7pjN+t6Bx7cv3s8nO+qL9YSY8ipzUhYbckYz6YzQOBKFEUQyGcEs xreiIv3yHpkzvyY9O9hBYtJKaIVmGuGTAIgb6/unqHt5haq2xUrK9nGu55XeImv1Bwz0 N75LCbKh+Hut4JupSgofmO2dE6SaTZFDF3wxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=maisovXr9wm1LEn6aDOhJoUaYFOihWjiyn/SUPJSjI5O2fv5NyOWcgCDU3Tx7MG3+E BuOXuwM3qlWxx8mwdGORM302OZVZvHe0iOrX9I9zXOLTAszaUjT5jfiqUIAEn/59txJV QTeIbVUeDP4hpYqq+nmvKS6GksWG4vlVd77xw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <907065090907040600x6c452684n93bc105623d3dacf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <907065090907041913k35238898uca5ea25e90ab7da2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3108aa5e355046debef70 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:13:32 +0800 From: waterloo To: Glenn Morris X-Bogosity: unsure, spamicity=0.187158, v1.0.1 Resent-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:27:39 -0400 --000e0cd3108aa5e355046debef70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes,it is clearer . thanks In 11.1.2 An Example:`print-elements-of-list', I can not understand why there is a `nil' in the context . thanks If I shoud file a new bug for this question? I still use emacs23.0.95 . 2009/7/5 Glenn Morris > waterloo wrote: > > > --text follows this line-- > > In section 8.5.1 in the manual `Introduction to Emacs Lisp'. I can > > not understant what is `readily settable variable' in second > > paragraph. > > Does the following make it clearer? > > When you specified a variable using the `defvar' special form, you > could distinguish a variable that a user might want to change from > others by typing an asterisk,... > > It should be read in the context of the previous paragraph. > --000e0cd3108aa5e355046debef70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes,it is clearer . thanks

In 11.1.2 An Example:`print-elements-= of-list', I can not understand why there is a `nil' in the context = .

thanks
If I shoud file a new bug for this question?
I still= use emacs23.0.95 .

2009/7/5 Glenn Morris <= rgm@gnu.org>
waterloo wrote:

> --text follows this line--
> In section 8.5.1 in the manual `Introduction to Emacs Lisp'. =A0I = can
> not understant what is `readily settable variable' in second
> paragraph.

Does the following make it clearer?

=A0 When you specified a variable using the `defvar' special form, you=
=A0 could distinguish a variable that a user might want to change from
=A0 others by typing an asterisk,...

It should be read in the context of the previous paragraph.

--000e0cd3108aa5e355046debef70-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:31:11 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3752: 23.0.95; I can not understant a sentence in Intro to Emacs Lisp . Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 3752@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:35:08 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3752 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3752-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3752.12467610343089 (code B ref 3752); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:35:08 +0000 Received: (at 3752) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 5 Jul 2009 02:30:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n652UUhq003082 for <3752@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:30:31 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MNHUr-0000dg-4x; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:30:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19024.4165.105934.813448@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:30:29 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: waterloo cc: 3752@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: <907065090907041913k35238898uca5ea25e90ab7da2@mail.gmail.com> References: <907065090907040600x6c452684n93bc105623d3dacf@mail.gmail.com> <907065090907041913k35238898uca5ea25e90ab7da2@mail.gmail.com> X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: cyan X-Ran: tJgz@`#H*$7JEMd+U`m$`MK-O>=+"gr@Gf]DO"fO>{W>_?wz_TN\iwlg7ekH+}FA\Dn)^+ [Please use "reply to all".] waterloo wrote (on Sun, 5 Jul 2009 at 10:13 +0800): > yes,it is clearer . thanks > > In 11.1.2 An Example:`print-elements-of-list', I can not understand why > there is a `nil' in the context . This is explained at the end of the section: Since the last expression in the function is the `while' loop, and since `while' loops always return `nil', a `nil' is printed after the last element of the list. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:31:11 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3752: 23.0.95; I can not understant a sentence in Intro to Emacs Lisp . Reply-To: waterloo , 3752@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: waterloo Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:55:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3752 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3752-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3752.12467620365918 (code B ref 3752); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:55:05 +0000 Received: (at 3752) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 5 Jul 2009 02:47:16 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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wh= o=A0 does print nil ?

or=A0 if all function will print its return va= lue ?

thanks

2009/7/5 Glenn Morris= <rgm@gnu.org>

[Please use "reply to all".]

waterloo wrote (on Sun, 5 Jul 2009 at 10:13 +0800):

> yes,it is clearer . thanks
>
> In 11.1.2 An Example:`print-elements-of-list', I can not understan= d why
> there is a `nil' in the context .

This is explained at the end of the section:

=A0Since the last expression in the function is the `while' loop, and =A0since `while' loops always return `nil', a `nil' is printed = after the
=A0last element of the list.

--000e0cd3108aae67ed046dec67cd-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:31:11 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#3752: 23.0.95; I can not understant a sentence in Intro to Emacs Lisp . Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 3752@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:05:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3752 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 3752-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3752.124684189723448 (code B ref 3752); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:05:05 +0000 Received: (at 3752) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Jul 2009 00:58:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n660wDj2023443 for <3752@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:58:14 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MNcX6-0005Ar-1H; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:58:12 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: waterloo Cc: 3752@debbugs.gnu.org References: <907065090907040600x6c452684n93bc105623d3dacf@mail.gmail.com> <907065090907041913k35238898uca5ea25e90ab7da2@mail.gmail.com> <19024.4165.105934.813448@fencepost.gnu.org> <907065090907041947k6884775fk55f332c776e6858f@mail.gmail.com> X-Spook: bullion world domination Becker Adriatic TWA lock picking X-Ran: A,aTW.i31L?C`cj1PfX/280BOpmvqx:hF|k/Iyqy+1!GcOKhhpsSHui[[mtOVW8s)Ve9VH X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:58:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <907065090907041947k6884775fk55f332c776e6858f@mail.gmail.com> (waterloo's message of "Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:47:06 +0800") Message-ID: <77eisu6318.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii waterloo wrote: > when test of while is nil , it does not run `print' following it. > who does print nil ? > > or if all function will print its return value ? As explained in the earlier section of the manual (on "Evaluation"), evaluating a function with C-x C-e prints the return value. For example (+ 2 2) or (progn (princ "Evaluating with C-x C-e prints the return value.\n") 42) From rgm@gnu.org Fri Jul 10 20:10:54 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Jul 2009 03:10:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,ONEWORD autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n6B3ApFX024528 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:10:52 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MPSzC-0007am-7f; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:10:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19032.698.102215.233671@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:10:50 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control close 3752 close 3767 tags 3775 moreinfo unreproducible reassign 3799 emacs,ns tags 3799 moreinfo