From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 24 09:10:39 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2019 13:10:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41645 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1VoT-0006eG-Q8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:10:38 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:50550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1VoR-0006e8-EV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:10:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43096) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i1VoQ-0005Dl-4L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:10:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i1VoO-0003M2-2a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:10:33 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:55845) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i1VoN-0003I1-Md for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:10:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1566652222; bh=PaDsR8PHPOdctGHKtSDBkWJQLgTvbdMpyR8YvEuZuR0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:Date; b=XxknZOfN9ZJZFsfN2ERBYWP69PqjU1aQPrC0GBXuTsTO8F878h8hef96oZuLWBs7o 8Xk+vU03uTEiTBkuh5jyYt2oyGp4sNIrqbiNkRoRhc/X1bwrjm8tjbq7WeyAlWF11z kcZCFQraL0v2q4MWYaNu06vRyed+9vL5sLkrh7q8= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from localhost.localdomain ([79.223.36.122]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MmUHj-1iRjo43gjh-00iPuP for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:10:21 +0200 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 98812800A9; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:10:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Sven Joachim To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.50; (blink-cursor-mode 0) in ~/.emacs has no effect X-Debbugs-Cc: Sven Joachim Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:10:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87tva6pv46.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XvBcxs/ADdOB+CEc5OVdanwS8a2mmCTpfIojYLeZwLozStTQYfs kp7l/N6iJMwtSp9MUD5Z6b297+YFZyVa8Byj+dvjr4omw9/jee12w4TCvv9Usvhd3oQBJdq V2jQyLHdFARKxQOvq1XAZr+hHqdtkylrtlpTZzLgwWwKm8yCgDc7HC+cIiaV7lfYKQt/J35 Ib7zCrXKay4hmrQ/mP+Nw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:pl0e/Z2RUWE=:KsXfz2J6lXQqKHj5H6iUFg M0O8spIizkZgR3tSx/P4qSpIv8xs/ti/I3JQCc0WamyAzf44RiddHED/zLtf9t0L4H7oX1Fbn gqXfX/HV/u30vzm6a9oS2gVsglMGkMZascRI169/SsIvRD6vA7BYj/niCrbcAm0eMlhlxaigi mF2ipNnmWdvSNLF8zv5uTeMR9TpE7rwfk1S01RmQHzMEX0pRgKFU21g1Mlt4Aq7zGbfLZ/udv LqBPj4bF4/5mpHBnL6iutYiUXfsnTb2p92JI5wHlNULkgkMy+oXauOzxE42P7CTbfP3cp9GE6 K2CxzccDwttSEU2FqXOH9FbGBw2phw/c2pldfhCVMV9sMfrMH7E2Z1yQWmYI+XKPK7Mi85HKl UjolYFOHze76cGmqHYusKNNCLCT30RKAS4OA7VM0x/+OEA0aaSVMDAPh/a+yTDkP5t0C36z76 9PpYnk8rSbaAiq1+WUTtUKbkipcBGhNrw9PWYe/L6E1X8fIO9Tzh8ZH3lqv294h+5a4fv8A3g aY6Hvdpq08IdrC913fUiTu3PMznWRPniYN1zvCGTT3Bz7D8Q/gbHeqDli14bcvGapXC41TCi1 HRc+yjB9qPBl63z1Ydrqli5hj500oTx1jjDsCGROXTrEZQtztADeT/ELegS4oKf+7XGB26i83 inWQsw2ONXAykpO9nwCKTtkHgHM8psIFI7YaJ/XTEKervMulY73IDSzznFWjJzuHzAYtEQhJA kIwmwd2wtwjANA0xHK+ZqlE9DuEG5+9BNgWY6ejnkiQVDRZQ6EjjwvjN94+zJAXD0nEW/UXBQ Ldo4IFGw+aPp2iYJexga1sni8pLuUen58wb418KMRR90ZGrtKZu0NQh99kfmSc9fsF0BY1jWn GmGunF6Yuvps3Yn7cIRE6r1l1rcmivQLZsPuMnV0FV9iqU8Jw+dWfhIWe4GJXxhdy3+A2/UtK ZknfU9o69bgM0xs2IlfIiqWvqVl87lHKdXUE1Jtz4v51yqfdxAKjiN+iFqDc6Rq1x8PjX3plY ggqJ9kIqP6vCqRKf6fSbNrHG8fup1TFPb8GFI8bIuWSabylaI5r4j7c6t/O4uR64JejI9pwEB PYTqFkcE/RVAsObFtpPWax0l7okKS6NZwpJk9kuCHHPMapnwdVUB0hiZHAOyx2jdHiVsUPK6h ZBiFw= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.15 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) I hate blinking cursors, and thus have (blink-cursor-mode 0) in my ~/.emacs since forever. Some recent change in the master branch broke this, since the cursor blinks anyway :-(. I am sure this worked until a week ago. Interestingly, "emacs --eval '(blink-cursor-mode 0)'" still works, as does "emacs --load somefile.el" where somefile.el contains just the line (blink-cursor-mode 0). But from user-init-file, (blink-cursor-mode 0) does not have an effect anymore. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.32) of 2019-08-24 built on turtle Repository revision: 42f8fa80706ee34bba98a922e2f42edcfe474bc9 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12004000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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That's a mistake; use this instead: (blink-cursor-mode -1) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 24 09:36:05 2019 Received: (at 37173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2019 13:36:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WD7-0000x2-D8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:36:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37218) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WD5-0000wW-Gl for 37173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:36:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33973) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WD0-0001hd-Ca; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:35:58 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4320 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WCz-0004v6-Px; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:35:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:35:55 +0300 Message-Id: <83k1b2it38.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sven Joachim In-reply-to: <87mufypu2f.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> (message from Sven Joachim on Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:32:56 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#37173: 27.0.50; (blink-cursor-mode 0) in ~/.emacs has no effect References: <87tva6pv46.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <83lfviitvi.fsf@gnu.org> <87mufypu2f.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37173 Cc: 37173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sven Joachim > Cc: 37173@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:32:56 +0200 > > Anyway, (blink-cursor-mode -1) makes no difference. Right, sorry. I suspect this change: commit 7e2090ee80c9099ee953392444e1d73d10e973d4 Author: Noam Postavsky AuthorDate: Sat Aug 3 20:19:31 2019 -0400 Commit: Noam Postavsky CommitDate: Tue Aug 20 20:20:52 2019 -0400 Respect global-eldoc-mode in minibuffers (Bug#36886) * lisp/emacs-lisp/easy-mmode.el (define-globalized-minor-mode): Accept a BODY parameter. * doc/lispref/modes.texi (Defining Minor Modes): Document new parameter. * etc/NEWS: Announce it. * lisp/simple.el (read--expression): Move eldoc-mode setup to... * lisp/emacs-lisp/eldoc.el (eldoc--eval-expression-setup): ... here, new function. (global-eldoc-mode): Add or remove it to eval-expression-minibuffer-setup-hook when enabling or disabling global-eldoc-mode. This enables eldoc in the minibuffer (solving Bug#27202), only when global-eldoc-mode is enabled. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 24 09:38:17 2019 Received: (at 37173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2019 13:38:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41703 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WFF-000117-Cj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:38:17 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:51229) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WFD-00010u-Lm for 37173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:38:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1566653889; bh=5kUDMd23Q7DY99jWr6QB0ojWgVRMLDDKC7iqTcQuTaE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=MQgv7jJPTncs6PMGt9gcq4eA502ZUEe1Ng1UhTjN/5Ki132iOV45gT8vUFZ0o7bAV cZ0kumnEMCoe++25umNbVahKSmWz0RNsEh5KVp4pDJBDuy0Hxg8BkS5bYZYWgl244j abCwcgnHhkHn9jkNrxGy9Fp5qtlHwh/H1V/CKWqs= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from localhost.localdomain ([79.223.36.122]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MKbgE-1hnH6737wy-00KxHA; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:32:59 +0200 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 84EC1800A9; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:32:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Sven Joachim To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#37173: 27.0.50; (blink-cursor-mode 0) in ~/.emacs has no effect References: <87tva6pv46.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <83lfviitvi.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:32:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83lfviitvi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:18:57 +0300") Message-ID: <87mufypu2f.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:U5XIB8IetlZ7vc3ocKDILwsJRwlNwNiuSNzgNbO/D8v40yA+P2v h8Bg2x9GEEYvCXwyBCzsSDLbip3Xjd352spaSXmVeVp0R8mxDz/9LmV7DEp1jETLQZIIYNh D0yNp6y4DsI8Zs485NvOQiHw4FTUpm/xO+wVRmiUB10fvyVlIJX2iweP/XgvYmhf7nY0YP2 eR2dZtghjb9PRibbh24uw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:XSHzKwBIePw=:raVijaCi+IQX8Y4HpP8T4f pZ7+JJolyeU1QrjRQTj3VrlmscNsZ9AWVsOUN92CQcHomJrsy7ICJng6AIUmadk7Ii2nHb+y5 MK6hkZwo9T/2mOfXOSj8/DzdiL9qvqxf9JFdcFVZl7AIqvZwhpZH489Zl9oyyMHMIZMOIOXLP qpLvS3mBJeDVHnY63m7qPoZGvVl/SgOnBw6Rl7WL6NsLBhw8tJxFmUDAFyN1wxgC62N2Z09mg h2ZUhD2DlzI0NluKaiWQjGQvUM+lXLAFr2u/aas0or/DM1QzOn8tlIgk3PXlP5c5UP8I81lZf Ek4lanZQl2c8YvWbT3OAFu8Mo1XQ9ijJDl/Z2g/a2E/c3wlg1z72zGbbmdNIusOSok2oxLrgG Q8fb9dY/J5YFdNMd6q1e0hAUvmWRcQW6F5kVgtl8KrfksXFPpR7Dm+j+Yh8Zghw9NQZ4Gq4o0 pZxNqn+nDKgQ++5IM67bgXeePMy9FLyQS4+0Ik/kGiUOe1JP8uMnHPnQ8BpjTjBWJMfHA0ThU argdpNE1ynJNoOYK9WZGhBnOxGqRpG3E4Bovjw0G9JifZFDymfqiptT+OIp763Xe+bKP1EJxV BuiP7AhuLV7nh+ly1hwK2xiZIZV1wNFzkc56ySsf9kHXaEywlU/jOWfItR/ZW9ka7ECk3lQlh JnYqK8u4saspg9upN0NpJ/aZCLs+zG7vl0wtu2/zXFwt8uvJMjOIOt5eWk+W2SwxHImEbWz6q 7Bk5iZAXu8JDt2Wkpj78qNI/+6ProxaER25YfLr6++BoHrv8p+rDOUhjo/Hi4w0sRt3f94FAP 98aKQyb4s3tIXmQe3S2Az/pRpQxNTTwHIvisPqZ1XdS71qAoTGYRPRORSJcFw+2HmnlcxhisT weG4Z+Tg8Yp6QUtDP2gOHEqjeWPwuKLAqOaqu8hyN8M+93Qxz0eB+gS3GVi3EXhjngkHsp6bK xLv11YnZf027iTTnAAxDPqhtC2OjheDmmHmDjI1/5kz8il83p+fEx97S8Bq26mTw42VfWKjcV QQw+P2ZRmIsIZezfC6sI+01h7InlgDO+AVHDhh7mcugNAIAETJ3N/Lgulaz7aEYnYp3+veFng tts8zYyEToZL9n+gm6KziPJ84gYzoUisJ+QGQAM0uFVYq+IRwdkFvICNF9EBaLKThIMaD2LeB Ak0lQ= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37173 Cc: 37173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2019-08-24 16:18 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Sven Joachim >> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:10:17 +0200 >> Cc: Sven Joachim >>=20 >> I hate blinking cursors, and thus have >>=20 >> (blink-cursor-mode 0) >>=20 >> in my ~/.emacs since forever. > > That's a mistake; use this instead: > > (blink-cursor-mode -1) The docstring says ,---- | If called interactively, enable Blink-Cursor mode if ARG is positive, and | disable it if ARG is zero or negative. If called from Lisp, | also enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil, and toggle it | if ARG is =E2=80=98toggle=E2=80=99; disable the mode otherwise. `---- To me this suggests that (blink-cursor-mode 0) should disable the blinking cursor. Anyway, (blink-cursor-mode -1) makes no difference. Cheers, Sven From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 24 09:50:37 2019 Received: (at 37173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2019 13:50:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WRB-0003Oh-B9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:50:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38894) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WR8-0003OT-5h for 37173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:50:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34071) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WR2-0001IY-MB; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:50:28 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1320 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1i1WR2-0005pa-5U; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 09:50:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:50:25 +0300 Message-Id: <83imqmisf2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: svenjoac@gmx.de In-reply-to: <83k1b2it38.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:35:55 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#37173: 27.0.50; (blink-cursor-mode 0) in ~/.emacs has no effect References: <87tva6pv46.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <83lfviitvi.fsf@gnu.org> <87mufypu2f.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <83k1b2it38.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37173 Cc: 37173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:35:55 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 37173@debbugs.gnu.org > > I suspect this change: > > commit 7e2090ee80c9099ee953392444e1d73d10e973d4 > Author: Noam Postavsky > AuthorDate: Sat Aug 3 20:19:31 2019 -0400 > Commit: Noam Postavsky > CommitDate: Tue Aug 20 20:20:52 2019 -0400 Actually, the culprit was this one: commit bb5cd7c4caf415e40836edbbc4e62b0dd411d73f Author: Eli Zaretskii AuthorDate: Thu Aug 22 20:46:31 2019 +0300 Commit: Eli Zaretskii CommitDate: Thu Aug 22 20:46:31 2019 +0300 Recompute user-emacs-directory-relative defcustoms one more time * lisp/startup.el (command-line): Re-evaluate the custom-delayed predefined variables one more time after loading the user's init file. (Bug#37116) I've reverted this for now, but I don't understand why re-evaluating the custom-delayed variables should toggle a minor mode whose mode variable is in the custom-delayed-init-variables list, when the init file says to turn it off unconditionally. What am I missing? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 24 12:13:28 2019 Received: (at 37173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2019 16:13:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43230 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1YfP-000790-Te for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 12:13:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54637) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i1YfN-00078n-1n for 37173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 12:13:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36595) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i1YfH-0003cj-Q5; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 12:13:19 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2045 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1i1YfH-0004Vq-AG; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 12:13:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 19:13:18 +0300 Message-Id: <83d0guilsx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: svenjoac@gmx.de In-reply-to: <83imqmisf2.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:50:25 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#37173: 27.0.50; (blink-cursor-mode 0) in ~/.emacs has no effect References: <87tva6pv46.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <83lfviitvi.fsf@gnu.org> <87mufypu2f.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <83k1b2it38.fsf@gnu.org> <83imqmisf2.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37173 Cc: 37173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:50:25 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 37173@debbugs.gnu.org > > Recompute user-emacs-directory-relative defcustoms one more time > > * lisp/startup.el (command-line): Re-evaluate the > custom-delayed predefined variables one more time after > loading the user's init file. (Bug#37116) > > I've reverted this for now, but I don't understand why re-evaluating > the custom-delayed variables should toggle a minor mode whose mode > variable is in the custom-delayed-init-variables list, when the init > file says to turn it off unconditionally. What am I missing? Don't bother answering that, I figured it out. It is a definite no-no to re-evaluate defcustoms after loading the user's init file, doh! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 22 17:02:32 2021 Received: (at 37173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2021 21:02:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51863 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mT9Nv-0003mi-RZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:02:32 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34134) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mT9Nt-0003mS-J3 for 37173@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:02:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EGp00OpGM9dRSOvtLnpXBF7TI18KB+DkoATkkU/m5wg=; b=FyC5phxs3mGHm2WOieMCMhbNkS oHtiwJRnL4/9OfhcDdORVyQQHcj3jetOzIASb0rJpjUFwRjTdCLIgkgP+4GKkc1dHOFQSA2h9T5QR FXi6cHcwQBTheU0DKIfaYyICeBI8HzT279SAqsEj1/lM3XwJ3KGGLPewMa9+Kzy6ht2c=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mT9Nj-0007HM-3C; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 23:02:23 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#37173: 27.0.50; (blink-cursor-mode 0) in ~/.emacs has no effect References: <87tva6pv46.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <83lfviitvi.fsf@gnu.org> <87mufypu2f.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <83k1b2it38.fsf@gnu.org> <83imqmisf2.fsf@gnu.org> <83d0guilsx.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Don Armando's 2nd Avenue Band's _Don Armando's 2nd Avenue Band_: "Compliment Your Leading Lady" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 23:02:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83d0guilsx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 24 Aug 2019 19:13:18 +0300") Message-ID: <87k0j8s4rp.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I've reverted this for now, but I don't understand why re-evaluating >> the custom-delayed variables should toggle a minor mode whose mode >> variable is in the custom-delayed-init-variables list, [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37173 Cc: svenjoac@gmx.de, 37173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I've reverted this for now, but I don't understand why re-evaluating >> the custom-delayed variables should toggle a minor mode whose mode >> variable is in the custom-delayed-init-variables list, when the init >> file says to turn it off unconditionally. What am I missing? > > Don't bother answering that, I figured it out. It is a definite no-no > to re-evaluate defcustoms after loading the user's init file, doh! (blink-cursor-mode 0) in .emacs still works, so I guess there isn't more to do in this bug report, and I'm closing it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 22 17:02:38 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2021 21:02:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51866 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mT9O2-0003n2-2G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:02:38 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34150) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mT9O0-0003mg-Ix for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:02:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xYPmRw983teVr7nzKC3+Iqz9pPEYyzaKxk6U0Ajsg1k=; b=eqakNKY+kBffOemO2AOjLN/q9C t6X93gBGIwg4q0Xe5324aggdEL2VUruvjsvtmU+m4JUsI3AC0UI8P3AjysMET3KYAToipqSo0JBOY 9BqVtbdMTxP2S7r81aRtvVSPxcgGInhYaN1U9i+Fjk5z35A0nPBOAnwx4YBMGNznuHxY=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mT9Ns-0007HX-03 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 23:02:30 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 23:02:27 +0200 Message-Id: <87ilyss4rg.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #37173 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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