From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37079: 26.2.90 feature request; bury-frame command for desktop-wm Resent-From: VanL Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 05:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 37079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 37079@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15661913183177 (code B ref -1); Mon, 19 Aug 2019 05:09:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2019 05:08:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59057 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzZuI-0000pB-0G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:08:38 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzZuG-0000p3-B5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:08:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hzZuF-0004MY-4W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:08:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hzZuC-0005DI-MS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:08:33 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:52981) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hzZuB-00052P-Pi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:08:32 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 193.119.112.173 Received: from epi.local (193-119-112-173.tpgi.com.au [193.119.112.173]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DB6AC0002 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 05:08:26 +0000 (UTC) From: VanL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 15:08:22 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.198 X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) Hello, The frame commands in info:emacs#Frame Commands don't include a command to `bury-frame' as distinct from minimize-frame = (C-z) in the desktop-wm. Having 'bury-frame' allows quick switching away-from-then-return-back-to = Emac's focus-frame while working with not-Emacs-app. I hope this does = not require very deep coding complications into the specific = desktop-wm's frameworks making this feature request not worth the = effort. Thank you.= From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37079: 26.2.90 feature request; bury-frame command for desktop-wm Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: VanL , 37079@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37079-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37079.156620030018819 (code B ref 37079); Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 37079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2019 07:38:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59105 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzcFA-0004tT-3G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:38:20 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:47573) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hzcF9-0004tA-2y for 37079@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:38:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1566200290; bh=JDYLF1XzbSQ+dPUoYKKCxFDEa9IrJA3vN07xAil8vYo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=jrjIugCaLIoHS6FDabMDKoKoTy4eIybRIxKK8KBX09A4YjRUOqoasD40n7XLQ/ygu p/Nhs5bb4KxPTnWAwXTtSwwp0pCvc+5v7cHbqlzWPTYdlQvdOXYWFuewGIpAfKsjJ4 fBwbfygWHp1pxA1LPX89Q7m35ay020yEUd0k+Xus= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([213.142.96.60]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MHoRA-1i4aaC1Pr4-00ErkA; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:38:10 +0200 References: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> From: martin rudalics Message-ID: <78c56b66-b46b-335e-bd4c-39ae81a21ab3@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:38:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:dPfedYJpVfevYxEnXOG8oocA1upie5VWLCJDpFAvlTg3Jr/mnVr mLPlCpbOiZtWmI9dM1qg0kNUY8Iy8J19qqk4Nqe/kSDfgbyIo3Xh7DCpixqlvAjJ5W35KwS 4jgFmO8t/3RTquYAMfsBQhx0MZrRPwwVQllZEm7Ayep9ECkCsGyNMQMEYnuaz7JJpKbUqHw pAc62tzEoh8WeCn82NXCw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:DylvbH0wVEA=:N5eFUKdr7fOm7VsBWgHdbd TS/AOJN28qXOnE67Ngbgv/VsdO96gDu1W/DT3whyyHtjc2qqcn40uXBDjBr9/f5oYyclI/jI6 aR9lgc3kFxH+g8hyvY5kA8kmf7LrJRc59GrQyI2DU9WxACvqyjK4WfVv/B4gUW5L72gkFUZyc 5V3NRFYbpch8QCv2sp5z8FZAWS13ySKnmUTNcXkC1O8kvJOAKM82YKhCrPuYvY0zF56LEn9L+ NcPa5b8o0ETjn9S+k2qKw3IIb+LVyJF8pQdmO5P4J5wNvBlphykSdjmvbw8Z0gJZ4XeO1KZ3K PvatMzbUqXrXqCAR3fyT5oxoKZ6eRyHFFmQwEu3nXH5utUlSq99dFSX+WPh1Oc5a+OgTf/ci4 HD1sdptlgsPCppJlu3wTrqAhDav73QXUWq9LGgu7kpbA9QMmcYnXSZJGcjLBKeY1slXE0acaj hD+7OMSEexg26xKo1IJz+4yspjrSqVBTlPeF2RAU2Hx030+1c5oQaEkegcR371l/gKJQMRSDk kkbaG6w4rJrRahrRaIT/eDPEQ9JGSQMBOtCNC577lmjYQl6jbumY2BGjvigSJY3E/plptbAuF Pc+gyyVm6TzFJCf9uL4r2FaDW/E38/olYt4UVr8xAfNXtJb/l6dsdFixSh4ux0nBrBSZ+cuL1 weYoCx/C7IBs+4sIXw7cZqbTboIYBvqNltqFTPmRUZe9OujUppREjrkpR2zpeKGa4kxo4rhNZ lFR+eSRF/EAaCc5FEEmAeK7ZNre8LwFRD/GNfVidB4LmMDCYflfNNPake/154+u95fRsn1ikH 1nvMyDwUabgcMVabF8Qt2NkiWezHs6S9Ehxiaw/gU1dTVDAR1slbdysIl9+JkafyVR60CAxuZ KOD4WLoV+00USqXrNKljMkbcC1K7+kiTXTKW1wb6TeHGw67M5PLLUSIV4JJwZ29mq8+oLr99q svoA4W7H3D4g9+qzuthy2K6KG3q3Gsiw91A+4+XWl//8qugofT7WlVFw8favSHsSw7Plg7V2Y d+b0XW5pUJ1Z/jfEfbv5V07iclZoeW8xPXo7PbYPOvv9dz71o8RHdjGI+HjjQmiEJwHEz2gWr PICEu6n0YD+EoBuClHoYG6rXVl7p1KxoxtqVTzohJs4kFybZ36qWUUrFVkLoKrI0uyJMYF8FV noPhE= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > don't include a command to `bury-frame' as distinct from > minimize-frame (C-z) in the desktop-wm. > > Having 'bury-frame' allows quick switching > away-from-then-return-back-to Emac's focus-frame while working with > not-Emacs-app. I hope this does not require very deep coding > complications into the specific desktop-wm's frameworks making this > feature request not worth the effort. Thank you. What should 'bury-frame' do? In which sense would it be different from 'lower-frame'? How would you return-back-to a buried frame? martin From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37079: 26.2.90 feature request; bury-frame command for desktop-wm Resent-From: VanL Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 37079@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37079-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37079.156620708329335 (code B ref 37079); Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 37079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2019 09:31:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59141 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hze0Z-0007d4-92 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 05:31:23 -0400 Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.232]:35221) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hze0X-0007cw-St for 37079@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 05:31:22 -0400 Received: from epi.local (193-119-112-173.tpgi.com.au [193.119.112.173]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9788200007; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: VanL In-Reply-To: <78c56b66-b46b-335e-bd4c-39ae81a21ab3@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:31:13 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0C3B5FB5-3E39-4087-9144-F5F6A71D2F10@scratch.space> References: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> <78c56b66-b46b-335e-bd4c-39ae81a21ab3@gmx.at> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) > On 19 Aug 2019, at 17:38, martin rudalics wrote: >=20 > What should 'bury-frame' do? In which sense would it be different > from 'lower-frame'? How would you return-back-to a buried frame? The two terms are synonymous. I searched for the idea closest to = 'lower-frame' on the web and used 'bury-frame' in this feature request = for the reason that `bury' is what is done to move a buffer to the = `bottom' of a 'listing of buffers'. Use case: I am editing within an Emacs frame. I context switch to = another app and want to lower (or bury) the Emacs frame with a quick = keyboard shortcut. After completing the task at the other app which has = taken my hand to the mouse I want to continue on that lowered Emacs = frame by clicking on that. To bury the frame completely without any = part of it showing for mouse clicking to raise is a corner case I may = not want all of the time. -- v.= From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37079: 26.2.90 feature request; bury-frame command for desktop-wm Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: VanL Cc: 37079@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37079-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37079.156637302817466 (code B ref 37079); Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 37079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2019 07:37:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0LB5-0004Xe-Mi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 03:37:07 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:55091) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0LB2-0004X9-IY for 37079@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 03:37:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1566373015; bh=/8FLGhCBcGiN6KS3Xdvw/OQlD7BSLu9AoURsmvXNmm8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Q0lt2JVFSVBNoecw5WyG2txcG8Fkv06KtEKYftipqH0tuQvcvsUvwlx5/JShw+VQd ND4Jtf9wfwfve7vOPdEAIRBd4klM+GS4T8VSlZVHIZ/liIHrmQ2sDGPoDOEU2UQ5bp 0Yqobffcnu4fKCACYKTvS/SVl2rmGjSvYQ2GqhW4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([212.95.5.108]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M1msU-1iG5sL1ZgQ-00tkNQ; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:36:55 +0200 References: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> <78c56b66-b46b-335e-bd4c-39ae81a21ab3@gmx.at> <0C3B5FB5-3E39-4087-9144-F5F6A71D2F10@scratch.space> From: martin rudalics Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:36:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0C3B5FB5-3E39-4087-9144-F5F6A71D2F10@scratch.space> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HWGTnHghK/UpbYvAyXpi5aVuH+I6LLcGjzXJeEvgAKoGOoWA2eu iYRFTYwmGKZGTZnkFlix1yiYrcU0SiKjz+3WYVSMeBzheR8mP65fJx6OsHkuStKiG/qGriP JpyQ8q26MUAqXVkejQX1j4ZnzQ/I5t7/5WyiOGq5MjzM64gx93b/LHAhnusGTt6uWG0d3vi jn4/hR4XqEKrLQ4CXfltQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:peCnK5OyAig=:mpE9ajWgXXCJjZYJy6SQI6 e/wHTZ4YWxaecBMKbebVLne16f4tUcVVUnQ9XtXyQp8A+nG5dKw/nreClzAj9obWs5YmJ6wS1 U8quFhmJtgJiOOdXU0HZ3adLHX89+xG6gmWJLL0OjpQprock8L41qAaaP/r4q9yiltczG8xPD v3eoKCL1CJ6zjDyFS8cPrWA9B1daTARML4otEwEvPQD862HVwp9tA3EVD9id22ok9UT5UYZaU g8uakXX810HK7InWLGh7j4ZInGQ0EzTMFpTvIXBMnB6YXqY2mDTLT/wfPG8KD580d5rTBhM5O ZzRITUi285gbsNCXAI2IU7xOl9QibpZAmGs2B4m+kJVvpC6imaq0LMmqZvjrFQvNdSHtOGhV6 P5PHJvgXvncGtOJ6IExDRvHbujLoomA4tUqEW76d2mmjqLyd+Hcb7DwnIwfll4ILATQ6mbKxS eN752RO7Z0WcvtNthcJG6cTLVHaYbhDU52NEj2uMBmyyOwtEHD0BAhLmF5uIq3z2+vd0wrRlY hZfrd25pyVRsQAMIn29UvQgA+SZqmF55pz9S3P3c3csJxCK2P3pwA2Z2FofcAwCGxDBooMqcd GZeZ1oPzX6/hd7K0bgnnNi/FJJ22teHhJ9QlgbfFBLq0Tm/YbHX0udJpMLFt9ba+Zy8xQBBNG 9KcvSD1EFhb1bbX41FTApjcZlZzw7Ym3C6Wbt70t5q2Eaw5iBu1/3lkls+YAD74CIW+O91IFc uFPFWe1p73/I6t7QxwPBqJmEDBxG2mUKRNthHDYSzmXEfLjB4tOJmkRPwUYFb+ts7LkK3y/g1 SxuEemK0rxx6BGI+bmlyML+R3LxtK/zsoZVYa2TrJtcTCBN0NggiocrnURvzh0hcWMmr9BxBy n6HMXhQ8qk8z05xnt/j5JGL+J/Fjy/VfSwxHcmUAbInIKrYHMJnn308k7qA/GCcQe8SP995Dk CfeHqcGGU2EnBfoUyCDncSZiPU3TF6y3f47h6v9Ol6lBMGtXffUDOJusS1MKGZ3jV9jaaVsRl lNhzE+VhHoskbI4x46Af8drIj10o5Yd1PwLD63KSGJiJpANbgv4pZFde5Ulo7ZiRRBsyYlpZS coj6FZaksE3Myuz2T7c/nNQJJR0vjtgoS8umnSdPJfbZ+gvLBPg6Y+BpiMIf2Obk4p0jonfTz zt3V4= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> What should 'bury-frame' do? In which sense would it be different >> from 'lower-frame'? How would you return-back-to a buried frame? > > The two terms are synonymous. I searched for the idea closest to > 'lower-frame' on the web and used 'bury-frame' in this feature > request for the reason that `bury' is what is done to move a buffer > to the `bottom' of a 'listing of buffers'. Whatever 'bury-buffer' does, it's effect can be fully controlled by Emacs itself. 'lower-frame' has Emacs ask the window manager to put the window of an Emacs frame at the bottom of the z-order of visible windows. Thereafter, the effect of this operation is completely with the window manager and Emacs has no control over it. > Use case: I am editing within an Emacs frame. I context switch to > another app and want to lower (or bury) the Emacs frame with a quick > keyboard shortcut. So all you want is that Emacs by default assigns a keyboard shortcut to 'lower-frame'. Which combination did you have in mind? > After completing the task at the other app which > has taken my hand to the mouse I want to continue on that lowered > Emacs frame by clicking on that. To bury the frame completely > without any part of it showing for mouse clicking to raise is a > corner case I may not want all of the time. You mean lowering the frame would continue to show parts of it not hidden by other applications' windows while minimizing the frame would not show aynthing. I still wonder why you don't just actively switch to that other application's window (with the mouse or via Alt-Tab) instead of using 'lower-frame' which would just passively reveal the window that happens to be beneath the one of the Emacs frame. martin From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37079: 26.2.90 feature request; bury-frame command for desktop-wm Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: VanL , 37079@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37079-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37079.156643706931271 (code B ref 37079); Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 37079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2019 01:24:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0bq1-00088J-9z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:24:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52908) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0bpy-000883-P6 for 37079@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:24:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58582) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i0bps-0004C8-Sv; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:24:20 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1i0bpo-0002tL-Tj; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:24:17 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> <78c56b66-b46b-335e-bd4c-39ae81a21ab3@gmx.at> <0C3B5FB5-3E39-4087-9144-F5F6A71D2F10@scratch.space> X-Spook: Hacker distributed denial of service analyzer Tamiflu X-Ran: f-DVMEp@?4#'yr)ILjC[PDc^Vb($\?yF*(;<{H$;O>DF_X9O$evK$<;5[ZtSz;#;0Z^&Pz X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:24:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: (martin rudalics's message of "Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:36:54 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) martin rudalics wrote: > Whatever 'bury-buffer' does, it's effect can be fully controlled by > Emacs itself. 'lower-frame' has Emacs ask the window manager to put > the window of an Emacs frame at the bottom of the z-order of visible > windows. Thereafter, the effect of this operation is completely with > the window manager and Emacs has no control over it. I expect any decent window manager to offer a (customizable) key binding for this operation. Eg with XFCE I have it bound to window-key + down-arrow. This works for all applications; so I don't see a need for an Emacs-specific key-binding. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37079: 26.2.90 feature request; bury-frame command for desktop-wm Resent-From: VanL Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: Glenn Morris , 37079@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37079-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37079.15664773925216 (code B ref 37079); Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 37079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2019 12:36:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0mKO-0001M4-Iw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 08:36:32 -0400 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:37361) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0mKM-0001Lk-4L for 37079@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 08:36:31 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 193.119.112.173 Received: from epi.local (193-119-112-173.tpgi.com.au [193.119.112.173]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D85DC1C000C; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:36:26 +0000 (UTC) From: VanL References: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> <78c56b66-b46b-335e-bd4c-39ae81a21ab3@gmx.at> <0C3B5FB5-3E39-4087-9144-F5F6A71D2F10@scratch.space> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:36:18 +1000 In-Reply-To: (martin rudalics's message of "Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:36:54 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) martin rudalics writes: > Whatever 'bury-buffer' does, it's effect can be fully controlled by I don't know the extent of interpenetration Emacs&WM have. The b for bury binds to 'Buffer-menu-bury' in the `*Buffer List*' which was what I also wanted to do to the frame. > So all you want is that Emacs by default assigns a keyboard shortcut > to 'lower-frame'. Which combination did you have in mind? Everybody has their pref for keybinding and I know better to keep my defpref to myself. I'm after the 'command' to lowerframe and that is all to see multiple corners of many apps and their frames like a poker player's hand of cards. > I still wonder why you don't just actively switch > to that other application's window (with the mouse or via Alt-Tab) > instead of using 'lower-frame' which would just passively reveal the > window that happens to be beneath the one of the Emacs frame. In my case Command-Tab does the app-to-app context switch; it is too coarse a move. All the frames belonging to app get foregrounded. If I am able to stay in Emacs to use lowerframe on specific frame I may only want to read what's in the other app without touching it and then resurface specific Emacs frame again. There I've avoided touching the mouse completely. Like Glenn says XFCE has window-key + down-arrow, I'm asking for the command to do that. I'm not asking for key-binding. 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I'm after the 'command' to lowerframe and that is > all to see multiple corners of many apps and their frames like a poker= > player's hand of cards. I'm probably too silly to understand what you mean: lower-frame is an interactive built-in function in =E2=80=98C source code= =E2=80=99. (lower-frame &optional FRAME) Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 19.29. Send FRAME to the back, so it is occluded by any frames that overlap it. If you don=E2=80=99t specify a frame, the selected frame is used. If Emacs is displaying on an ordinary terminal or some other device which= doesn=E2=80=99t support multiple overlapping frames, this function does n= othing. Please try to understand that I'm apparently missing some detail in what you want to achieve. > Like Glenn says XFCE has window-key + down-arrow, I'm asking for the > command to do that. I'm not asking for key-binding. But why does 'lower-frame' not do for your Emacs frame what XFCE's window-key + down-arrow does for Glen's? martin From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37079: 26.2.90 feature request; bury-frame command for desktop-wm Resent-From: VanL Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: Glenn Morris , 37079@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 37079-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37079.156655251313513 (code B ref 37079); Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 37079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2019 09:28:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39157 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i15s0-0003Vs-Uf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 05:28:33 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:47899) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i15ry-0003Vj-ER for 37079@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 05:28:31 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 193.119.112.173 Received: from epi.local (193-119-112-173.tpgi.com.au [193.119.112.173]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FCCF1BF208; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:28:25 +0000 (UTC) From: VanL References: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> <78c56b66-b46b-335e-bd4c-39ae81a21ab3@gmx.at> <0C3B5FB5-3E39-4087-9144-F5F6A71D2F10@scratch.space> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:28:16 +1000 In-Reply-To: (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:46:27 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) martin rudalics writes: >> I'm after the 'command' to lowerframe and that is all to see multiple >> corners of many apps and their frames like a poker player's hand of >> cards. > > I'm probably too silly to understand what you mean: lower-frame [...] I see, now. Thanks. What I needed to do was: 1. C-h a "lower frame" <-- I looked up the same term in a search engine and then I recycled the use of the term 'bury' for 'lower' from familiarity with the commands on buffer list to write-up this feature request. > Please try to understand that I'm apparently missing some detail in > what you want to achieve. Thank you for your patience. >> Like Glenn says XFCE has window-key + down-arrow, I'm asking for the >> command to do that. I'm not asking for key-binding. > > But why does 'lower-frame' not do for your Emacs frame what XFCE's > window-key + down-arrow does for Glen's? The two commands 'lower-frame' and 'raise-frame' are exactly what I was wanting and they are already there in Emacs and work plainly according to their name. I didn't try to find them in the most obvious way, as above. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#37079: 26.2.90 feature request; bury-frame command for desktop-wm Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 00:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37079 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: VanL Cc: martin rudalics , 37079@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris Received: via spool by 37079-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37079.157982562213280 (code B ref 37079); Fri, 24 Jan 2020 00:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 37079) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2020 00:27:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53337 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iumoP-0003S3-U5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:27:02 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:47904) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iumoP-0003Ro-74; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:27:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SdVnJoH3BmlkMKsM0IkNlBZ0c8fiQP6OYvN6sZXrmQ8=; b=ihcOnzXubsFHNAvhRqMDu+cu+Y Xh1+yNd2JFJGvrIlyMNpBkHxZv5NQv6vpggh/4k0lXluJhu+c0rftIAmBCdn9KUh+dHRsMb/5m/br WZPZcOvzT3eMln5aC6pYs3wBuMoZEN5+qkzW7H/fG5xdlh4JdPxOBWS8VQ5qZy6LHUj2hFfM9geCg XWCNJv8cLJezSEsaIhVTcqu6HWZrAmWZ/gyshVTtftLoIQwKWeUInJ57SCSGldy23MoiL4pZWDiWJ xxMnon2R4G2Y1Mxs0VS4qgs+p94l76SvNTEfrNe/ZVkssaefkeAJOg/geXLTfMn3DXnAorQeFkw8Q 00Kemnmg==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:57454 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iumoI-001Wnq-Vu; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:26:55 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (VanL's message of "Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:28:16 +1000") References: <38CF2C4B-C213-48A3-83C3-66220FB62C9F@scratch.space> <78c56b66-b46b-335e-bd4c-39ae81a21ab3@gmx.at> <0C3B5FB5-3E39-4087-9144-F5F6A71D2F10@scratch.space> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 01:26:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87tv4laecz.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: close 37079 tags 37079 + notabug thanks VanL writes: >> But why does 'lower-frame' not do for your Emacs frame what XFCE's >> window-key + down-arrow does for Glen's? > > The two commands 'lower-frame' and 'raise-frame' are exactly what I was > wanting [...] Content analysis details: (1.9 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: marxist.se] 1.9 PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD Untrustworthy TLDs [URI: scratch.space (space)] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) close 37079 tags 37079 + notabug thanks VanL writes: >> But why does 'lower-frame' not do for your Emacs frame what XFCE's >> window-key + down-arrow does for Glen's? > > The two commands 'lower-frame' and 'raise-frame' are exactly what I was > wanting and they are already there in Emacs and work plainly according > to their name. I didn't try to find them in the most obvious way, as above. If I read this correctly, the commands the reporter asked for is already in Emacs. So I'm closing this bug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas