GNU bug report logs - #37008
27.0.50; xref-find-definition versus find-tag in Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp

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From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 27.0.50;
 xref-find-definition versus find-tag in Introduction to Programming
 in Emacs Lisp
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 03:52:31 +0200

A this node:

File: eintr.info,  Node: On Reading this Text,  Next: Who You Are,
Prev: Why,  Up: Preface

reference is made to `find-tag' function. But function is obsolete
find-tag

  This function is obsolete since 25.1;
  use ‘xref-find-definitions’ instead.
  Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 19.20.

Thus the manual should be corrected as not to confuse beginners.



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Message #8 received at 37008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
Cc: 37008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#37008: 27.0.50;
 xref-find-definition versus find-tag in Introduction to Programming
 in Emacs Lisp
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:54:24 +0300

> From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 03:52:31 +0200
> 
> 
> A this node:
> 
> File: eintr.info,  Node: On Reading this Text,  Next: Who You Are,
> Prev: Why,  Up: Preface
> 
> reference is made to `find-tag' function. But function is obsolete
> find-tag
> 
>   This function is obsolete since 25.1;
>   use ‘xref-find-definitions’ instead.
>   Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 19.20.
> 
> Thus the manual should be corrected as not to confuse beginners.

You are somehow reading a very old version of that manual, because
this issue was fixed more than a year ago (see bug#31542), and Emacs
26 ships with the fix.  I cannot find even a single reference to
find-tag in eintr.info that comes with Emacs 26, let alone 27.

Thanks.

Message #11 received at 37008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 37008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#37008: 27.0.50; xref-find-definition versus find-tag in
 Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:34:32 +0200

* Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> [2019-08-12 16:55]:
> > From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
> > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 03:52:31 +0200
> > 
> > 
> > A this node:
> > 
> > File: eintr.info,  Node: On Reading this Text,  Next: Who You Are,
> > Prev: Why,  Up: Preface
> > 
> > reference is made to `find-tag' function. But function is obsolete
> > find-tag
> > 
> >   This function is obsolete since 25.1;
> >   use ‘xref-find-definitions’ instead.
> >   Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 19.20.
> > 
> > Thus the manual should be corrected as not to confuse beginners.
> 
> You are somehow reading a very old version of that manual, because
> this issue was fixed more than a year ago (see bug#31542), and Emacs
> 26 ships with the fix.  I cannot find even a single reference to
> find-tag in eintr.info that comes with Emacs 26, let alone 27.

You are right.

I had distribution version on my computer. And I have assumed that GNU
Emacs is reading its own new version of info, but is not, it finds its
priorities somehow else.

I have removed now system distribution.

Thank you, then it is fine!

Jean

Message #16 received at 37008-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
Cc: 37008-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#37008: 27.0.50; xref-find-definition versus find-tag in
 Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:06:06 +0300

> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:34:32 +0200
> From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
> Cc: 37008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > You are somehow reading a very old version of that manual, because
> > this issue was fixed more than a year ago (see bug#31542), and Emacs
> > 26 ships with the fix.  I cannot find even a single reference to
> > find-tag in eintr.info that comes with Emacs 26, let alone 27.
> 
> You are right.
> 
> I had distribution version on my computer. And I have assumed that GNU
> Emacs is reading its own new version of info, but is not, it finds its
> priorities somehow else.
> 
> I have removed now system distribution.
> 
> Thank you, then it is fine!

OK, I'm therefore closing this report.

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