From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:36 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#36922 <36922@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#36922 <36922@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode Reply-To: bug#36922 <36922@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:13:36 +0000 retitle 36922 [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode reassign 36922 emacs submitter 36922 Stefan Kangas severity 36922 wishlist tag 36922 patch wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 04 13:42:10 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2019 17:42:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34212 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huKWI-0000pX-82 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:42:10 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huKWH-0000pQ-Cd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:42:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38632) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huKWG-0003qq-GL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:42:09 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huKWF-0000pM-LO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:42:08 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173]:42132) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huKWF-0000mc-FS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:42:07 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f173.google.com with SMTP id ay6so35573991plb.9 for ; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 10:42:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XAQ/85xEVILZSYuxFrJ6mhokCP/2SB/hP3vKPFtcUns=; b=qMZyfWKLfhIR3KXaGOmGT9LZeQuwYvxobKs5mz7KAP3EjEufDAscBQYU8fI/GOY6x3 E+cXw3DJEsV1d4J7OWqMnbD1q8RVterqiLAOIqG81xUjZR1PE4pjSb5hGPV343Ct5Q5D 6EjygnQ409HlIMpO0Qm46JhHxSzE+ZxwlLaFDrCSJ/CHu7WZd+gJ+l81CJZMnufXXWLE 2/K6PiH7wC7KdoUA+MQU6/KImVdL3vP7gYav0e6RBK8oogCCCjO45RnBIucj1QYV+hzC RUjH7wFKKHSWdFR24+slwKTJgY6vQcyHrtdI5TZVb2a9c+W7TRyTBlSDtfP2Jj35nZ+x UxvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUCt6e4SOpw4jcA59sOL6r5g0SEX8G8TYcznNKFx4fMBCYjKuJV EyBU7bLPtO5MuGiB5+T8WcYj+iI18x6ad2Z0Ts1D/Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwNTwi8Js/fIEyojw8l+0vTJRnfKsxw+dJ6XVDqOWzQIV2pXQN7WRSe8uoJQSP6PL8mlQycmsNLcUUrOItnTtg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b702:: with SMTP id d2mr145276914pls.259.1564940525334; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 10:42:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 19:41:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000001b9b12058f4e1c75" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.214.173 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) --0000000000001b9b12058f4e1c75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" OK, so this is very minor, but: I can never remember that it's called tool-bar-mode, and not toolbar-mode. This is not often an annoyance, but it hits me every time I'm on "emacs -Q" or similar. (I type "M-x toolb TAB TAB TAB", have a revelation and then, "DEL -bar TAB".) Both "toolbar" and "tool bar" are valid spellings AFAICT. I suggest to introduce a new (defalias 'toolbar-mode 'tool-bar-mode) to accommodate users who are used to either spelling. 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5 Aug 2019 02:23:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34426 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huSf6-0001lY-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 22:23:48 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:38144) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huSf3-0001lG-Iz for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 22:23:46 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x752FtvA171403; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 02:23:39 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=Gyj0U3CyLR2L0lzRwFzGcJJI18bwBHWt3Ojbb6OJG7Q=; b=bN8nXDRXGVogO6SJX0J1rkL7J8DWivSz9BrgMDEs9fJC0D0QI3WXVH43otRsmuI7lU65 ePGPAVhQNHgTVpmbsOLGQmk/D556s5hd7raCzX76RQFSk66PUCx3ugnWoIr3A+ABKFxL RFMl9xqcSCYiZjvSspghz0asIT6lBmYrcl6xxLukfik2ME3D3vEVGZhhoXzWvrAPe2x+ 1LyFCAiNolxwr+VDlMY5qyaNFcBREhbVH//TdsuPlI4B62OGYve7vXEqRkYNMo0XSVLL YFu07ZG8b8FrGlPRscWhYdqbGtMM5c63+ci+4UXv7bcsma7+WbrbIOdB2jgIR0k6yp0a tg== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2u527pcefp-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 05 Aug 2019 02:23:39 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x752MVnO167460; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 02:23:38 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2u51kkw0t7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 05 Aug 2019 02:23:38 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x752NbB6009714; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 02:23:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 19:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Kangas , 36922@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4873.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9339 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908050023 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9339 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908050022 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > OK, so this is very minor, but: >=20 > I can never remember that it's called tool-bar-mode, and not toolbar- > mode. This > is not often an annoyance, but it hits me every time I'm on "emacs -Q" > or > similar. (I type "M-x toolb TAB TAB TAB", have a revelation and then, > "DEL -bar TAB".) >=20 > Both "toolbar" and "tool bar" are valid spellings AFAICT. >=20 > I suggest to introduce a new (defalias 'toolbar-mode 'tool-bar-mode) to > accommodate users who are used to either spelling. FWIW, I disagree that we should do this. We should pick one name and try to stick with it. We've picked one, I think (`tool-bar'). A quick count with stuff I've loaded shows ~4 times as many functions with `tool-bar' in the name as with `toolbar' in the name. So yeah, we have both. For `filename' vs `file-name' in function names, we have about twice as many of the latter, but, again, we have both. That's bad enough. Now imagine if we started aliasing all of those. And toolbar and filename are just the tip of the iceberg. Better to be pretty consistent in our names, and IF (big if) we end up with some inconsistency then either (1) fix it (renaming, deprecating old names, creating aliases for backward-compatibility) or (2) maybe build some tolerance of different forms into UI functions (e.g. reading function/variable names, apropos, help commands). Just one opinion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 06 07:39:13 2019 Received: (at 36922) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2019 11:39:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36549 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huxo9-0005zv-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:39:13 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f174.google.com ([209.85.210.174]:36207) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huxo7-0005zb-KX for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:39:11 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f174.google.com with SMTP id r7so41370721pfl.3 for <36922@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 06 Aug 2019 04:39:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oLYKjXNxtQmAF9cSW5LNoWYZjTeKwyF1vI2MPNG36X8=; b=ggQE161wdh5lMJYEIIMhdAhlgJugWolQBMw23DgSyX9kzaWLinwSyb1bWScLm+4zkd B224Q9PjpQIKdwfbDDG0yRRAYqZQAVMVK9OwI8nVuTpjCkVD+NvgxSIZaZ6GjvrlLuYE l7A3RyFq+6IIrvm0HIvjmCUCZ2TASWtUISISEERyBXno5JmAHStDtd4BFaXOCiwbsf4o S446Vvmuo82FaIuZiWDI1HK72vjVGp/6D0SHAaUBOXO4A9JEAiVL33+RSDif0/579l4A OFYYFqlTtpfjtjxSDqs03oUw9cmfKVsITPqDe55+LEV/ZpVAFs6buJT7AXnUUDFGjd5d psFA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUvP1MpR+XoOAefGSzqusBbM3K/3k//HMuh0NnzLjR90jpu4FQP OF6Rj+juBENHmQIM9DKH5q7dvVsqxWUzp4OX3ys= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwrkl37nHM6kS0hipVylCiMaqnf39sBKzME4pR1wHUONX7Hlw+69KA4NkSrbjd9ET8QXj8xUvsUbF7jKtCYytU= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4c5c:: with SMTP id m28mr1284151pgl.333.1565091545900; Tue, 06 Aug 2019 04:39:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> In-Reply-To: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 13:38:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 Cc: 36922@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: > > I suggest to introduce a new (defalias 'toolbar-mode 'tool-bar-mode) to > > accommodate users who are used to either spelling. > > FWIW, I disagree that we should do this. > > We should pick one name and try to stick with it. I agree that we should try to be consistent. > That's bad enough. Now imagine if we started aliasing > all of those. And toolbar and filename are just the > tip of the iceberg. Right. But I'm not suggesting to alias all of them. I suggest to make an alias only for one common command. There already exists several such convenience aliases in Emacs. I guess one could argue that it's a slippery slope, and I think there is some merit to that. In my opinion, the solution is to be selective about where to add such aliases. > Just one opinion. Thanks for that. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 08 15:41:02 2019 Received: (at 36922) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2019 19:41:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i733V-00007j-RG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 15:41:02 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f182.google.com ([209.85.215.182]:33986) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i733T-00007F-AB for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 15:40:59 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f182.google.com with SMTP id n9so6546105pgc.1 for <36922@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 12:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=z58gEQY27wYIiVCKgOuo/ygG7tgU/AhVmlCK35HlUqw=; b=NcKufmHXZedM5JzRUfEkGeOaWgZYW9fBJlnL2H1L9Z54uBK15FzvHEHVOAMAnCffvX p5UjwkJr8mrsU1M3VGjHRnvHX1S33PA+ij5+9oY/BirSIwChoG1AEBW6uBBJL7/7ZD0I zfKuAdlrJ2MU+umIHb+1qXCGYUfOY9I3TyvRIGE1wNUu/dW2kUfzzmvP0pTe0XNynb7K H8vm9UJHL/bW9MGHSrLV2bwWATemLQGfuPDrc5SyHFRkQZiKmubELW5c5dvtGDtmRhG8 4gcPRSbVjekPS6A501KFgHGqCoizUVEti2f+2P1OwmFm+3VyCbj4jEhil7+H2IgVYgIc 5uew== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXmowp3nSvai9+s+FtAyc/k6t2uefiTRh7deLtBJCXYmAU/m9dN g3IB25GoMASeJZYWxLrnPmB8wz+BnrZlyg4/+Jv6dmcFQe4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxCH3cZbz4Exo1Pe9iJpe749C+RF2ixvmYz3hCsbTT5LrhavRXy61rplSV9kp4z8i0CL8UJ0I4gyl8OB078LRw= X-Received: by 2002:a62:15c7:: with SMTP id 190mr23049731pfv.107.1567971653363; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 12:40:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 21:40:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 Cc: 36922@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Drew Adams writes: > > > I suggest to introduce a new (defalias 'toolbar-mode 'tool-bar-mode) to > > > accommodate users who are used to either spelling. > > > > FWIW, I disagree that we should do this. > > > > We should pick one name and try to stick with it. > > I agree that we should try to be consistent. > > > That's bad enough. Now imagine if we started aliasing > > all of those. And toolbar and filename are just the > > tip of the iceberg. > > Right. But I'm not suggesting to alias all of them. I suggest to > make an alias only for one common command. There already exists > several such convenience aliases in Emacs. > > I guess one could argue that it's a slippery slope, and I think there > is some merit to that. In my opinion, the solution is to be selective > about where to add such aliases. That was one month ago. It would be good if we could clarify what to do here: apply my patch or close this as wontfix? It would be a nice addition for my usage, but I'm not married to the idea if no one else likes it. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 08 16:44:08 2019 Received: (at 36922) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2019 20:44:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39195 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i742Z-00022t-Vr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 16:44:08 -0400 Received: from bongo.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.21]:64041) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i742Y-00022k-0E for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 16:44:06 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91323500F58; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-114-43.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.114.43]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 15F3250115B; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 20:44:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.1); Sun, 08 Sep 2019 20:44:04 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Society-Exultant: 3c90295900301501_1567975444320_3509593542 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1567975444320:3750155004 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1567975444320 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE872841D5; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=jR9R8BhWgNDiEmXcwg+qQ+55e8o=; b= SPseRvIisQulH18gVw2f6Rf4WRgqtNyywTcoDITwkednOczfze4r25kl/gY0Azn+ hc+AMy3pgCxxGERJV5Ge1YSdhvpX5v7wmHsact6KDqheWKk5h/nNeLXHTG4kVWyS zcy1oaZaVDDyf8lU5c5PVfZ54oQlDqMFKn5Pj206bRw= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-108-240.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.108.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B30F1841D3; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a53 From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode References: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2019 23:43:15 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 8 Sep 2019 21:40:41 +0200") Message-ID: <87d0gatt7g.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrudekgedgudehgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdekrddvgedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtkedrvdegtddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehsthgvfhgrnhesmhgrrhigihhsthdrshgvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 Cc: Drew Adams , 36922@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> > > I suggest to introduce a new (defalias 'toolbar-mode 'tool-bar-mode) to >> > > accommodate users who are used to either spelling. >> > >> > FWIW, I disagree that we should do this. >> > >> > We should pick one name and try to stick with it. >> >> I agree that we should try to be consistent. >> >> > That's bad enough. Now imagine if we started aliasing >> > all of those. And toolbar and filename are just the >> > tip of the iceberg. >> >> Right. But I'm not suggesting to alias all of them. I suggest to >> make an alias only for one common command. There already exists >> several such convenience aliases in Emacs. >> >> I guess one could argue that it's a slippery slope, and I think there >> is some merit to that. In my opinion, the solution is to be selective >> about where to add such aliases. > > That was one month ago. It would be good if we could clarify what to > do here: apply my patch or close this as wontfix? > > It would be a nice addition for my usage, but I'm not married to the > idea if no one else likes it. Oh, the name of the new feature tab-bar was modeled after tool-bar, so now it should be renamed to tabbar, this doesn't look too nice. OTOH, there is a tooltip as one word, but in dictionaries it's one word as well, this is too confusing. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 08 16:57:50 2019 Received: (at 36922) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2019 20:57:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39221 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i74Fq-0004cr-EA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 16:57:50 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f177.google.com ([209.85.210.177]:38147) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i74Fo-0004cd-JK for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 16:57:48 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f177.google.com with SMTP id h195so7879088pfe.5 for <36922@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 13:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=c66bZHXl2VTCx84bjtgYt0OO+6rSZ7uq2d3P5sZ5AnQ=; b=oKkiiBKL10S9P7imOrUeHIGDo4l5CgSzu7oVFxsWvj0F0YJ0U0HT/rDwYeIITmhIJw 2EFCLu4JWnE7q6rwLYjP86PZ3vPddQxPIdZyWVeoUWr1H/qwrH+9wrNhRLmcah42/4Q9 XXwby02Kl4hELFEOhsxz0sCYae6OjRxldXxjjVks9TDaitawf7s+3KYgAhsMaxFtMqis gZQqfR5xMTeUk4ylEd1jrepQU5PKJlafo9NsixF1ayOWVyPYjJZe44w9wLViY7vqaiWv cTFnIereFzBPZDIpxl7r1lOtPWcPGchGn9at2lo2LGa2BSEefuoCGnaCFxRmLVDy4xK2 cIkg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU9NUwRSs3Z2F4Detc7Iic6kzdXUwYJCAHxeRR7wZPbDmpk+fZQ 2X75TkR74zaVaRqtcv2QJcHF7GsMyOXdc7hbeqA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzguNMiX+JvS3KnTxbB93UgXBa2d9czaFjTO4QI18j1a7LCVs+0AF5e7rHJDfDpOUfC86WEby0P2uxYmUSl05w= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:1150:: with SMTP id d16mr22404406pje.2.1567976262760; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 13:57:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> <87d0gatt7g.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <87d0gatt7g.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 22:57:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 Cc: Drew Adams , 36922@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Juri Linkov writes: > Oh, the name of the new feature tab-bar was modeled after tool-bar, > so now it should be renamed to tabbar, this doesn't look too nice. I think that should be "tab-bar", since that seems to be the most common spelling. I'm not suggesting a rename of "tool-bar" by the way, only a convenience alias. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 08 18:02:26 2019 Received: (at 36922) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2019 22:02:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39259 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i75GL-0000TF-N1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 18:02:25 -0400 Received: from cheetah.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.34]:38861) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i75GI-0000T3-Mt for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 18:02:24 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E16D205B0; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 22:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-14-157.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.14.157]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B107A214CC; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 22:02:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.5); Sun, 08 Sep 2019 22:02:21 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Dime-Trade: 5471b3df22d347a2_1567980140955_2478062605 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1567980140955:3320867476 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1567980140955 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8848D841DD; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 15:02:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=BCkrIclJlerQpuIlN+eGcHo9YKU=; b= V7D3lyFSN+jmZpFZD7m/Gdf9WFsANfTEhQIJutt50RjrDTYcPpAC8Sij5OCl8lDc 6KFeT6w4WufiWrj+wRyE3DM5lydN/v0Tk41eRh2RHHM9pIhzJtJ3stHtdxjvqefF mEbxWRQwiyXnoQ+MLqkB35YhNa2QPJEu8zeKKuggXPM= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-108-240.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.108.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a53.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47718846A4; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a53 From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> <87d0gatt7g.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 00:58:46 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 8 Sep 2019 22:57:30 +0200") Message-ID: <87ftl6qwkp.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrudekhedgtdehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdekrddvgedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtkedrvdegtddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehsthgvfhgrnhesmhgrrhigihhsthdrshgvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 Cc: Drew Adams , 36922@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Oh, the name of the new feature tab-bar was modeled after tool-bar, >> so now it should be renamed to tabbar, this doesn't look too nice. > > I think that should be "tab-bar", since that seems to be the most > common spelling. Indeed preparing good names for completion makes them easier to type. For example, recently after adding the "tab-bar-mouse" command made harder to enable "tab-bar-mode" by typing just "tab-b-mo", it doesn't complete anymore. Also better would be to group all related commands under one prefix, such as "tab-next", "tab-previous" for easier completion. > I'm not suggesting a rename of "tool-bar" by the way, only a convenience alias. Please try to find evidence that more people have the same problem with completion. For example, I have in my init file such aliases that I often mistype, e.g.: (defalias 'comapre-windows 'compare-windows) because "comapre" is easier to type than "compare" on a qwerty keyboard :) Another solution is to make completion smarter, like when in bash mistyping a shell command still find it by correcting its name. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 08 18:17:01 2019 Received: (at 36922) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2019 22:17:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i75UT-0000y2-9z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 18:17:01 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com ([209.85.210.170]:37390) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i75UR-0000xb-EL for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 18:16:59 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id y5so5188225pfo.4 for <36922@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 15:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZrxPMjMNI0o3u4e7c6teqkXzcK4/DG88WY2ji38Oq3s=; b=Y75jYYgPtu78/G0i97YjhvqjVwAArbZc5PEMjNE3QgnK2Iz0FWb8J8tXIlcUNNmiGH SDrYftkVxZfPh2A+t4KwEXKcxKH86MBBu3dOy7n5fTrkCwv/qFB3c2NQtwwkFRo18WYU Zgz+ihRqbZpfLI6Kqi5jivBvidLRMb8AXxDYr5gjRBB+5RKaLnyqev18wJzE5Y0q9lVS suiIeLJE7JWT0BW0orDajrr5JjHmZ0DUg9WnSh9XVEG3ud5jaatyf/67mCKozIEu5U43 exiMs//t5sp7RnolGjIAoSqzoULh1r+rNO7F5MZtaYaHWYFj+TVtDj+q2u1oPYbdEomo 6KyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXX0w4WmaIRzPM8waRGx9A2v3kESEVQHmsdor4SFnaqwBtv4EVp PP4Ljtphr/t/70MddJ3JO5WJLej04V+JlJy1i58= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyJMdqz8B4g3DpPKt9ripfKwIYrVXS12xDlA4qDCQ1z3kYNsmoK66CLsn5/HMkb68/cfk4cVLqStB6n5cXK4qs= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4c5c:: with SMTP id m28mr19496702pgl.333.1567981013551; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 15:16:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> <87d0gatt7g.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ftl6qwkp.fsf@mail.linkov.net> In-Reply-To: <87ftl6qwkp.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 00:16:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 Cc: Drew Adams , 36922@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Juri Linkov writes: > Please try to find evidence that more people have the same problem > with completion. I'd love to, but I'm not sure how to find such evidence. :-) > For example, I have in my init file such aliases > that I often mistype, e.g.: > > (defalias 'comapre-windows 'compare-windows) > > because "comapre" is easier to type than "compare" on a qwerty keyboard :) Indeed, I already have the alias in my init file. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 09 12:11:24 2019 Received: (at 36922) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Sep 2019 16:11:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40450 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i7MGB-00025U-U4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 12:11:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53577) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i7MG9-00025H-U4 for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 12:11:22 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37997) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i7MG4-0001uk-Gl; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 12:11:16 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4581 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1i7MG3-0006Mv-Mu; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 12:11:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 19:11:21 +0300 Message-Id: <83ef0p30wm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 8 Sep 2019 21:40:41 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode References: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 36922@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 21:40:41 +0200 > Cc: 36922@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Right. But I'm not suggesting to alias all of them. I suggest to > > make an alias only for one common command. There already exists > > several such convenience aliases in Emacs. > > > > I guess one could argue that it's a slippery slope, and I think there > > is some merit to that. In my opinion, the solution is to be selective > > about where to add such aliases. > > That was one month ago. It would be good if we could clarify what to > do here: apply my patch or close this as wontfix? FWIW, I don't think it's terribly important to have such an alias. So if there are people who object, perhaps we shouldn't. After all, those who make this mistake frequently can write their private alias, right? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 09 13:19:57 2019 Received: (at 36922) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Sep 2019 17:19:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40520 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i7NKX-00046B-H1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 13:19:57 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]:35044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i7NKV-00045r-Ik for 36922@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 13:19:55 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f181.google.com with SMTP id s17so1898372plp.2 for <36922@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V3gUr0ofKpFmb+UZrCT3AtHZxc4CTy5eaBUjszrl6Nw=; b=uf/Ij2UbnWpqPPws3HAv6gbbti7khoqv8p7gWKLg21f/4aWkfWZlSS6h+VNdWmCJ9h yWfPprStFmH2MmgcW6gpGEzub5/rfLaoS3R0qAltOX+dDpI29ucSf1KkOpqJ0sMldcfg xTohQzWBAEK+A/uDclHt4Y2f/ASXvF8k2bTUkoVhQtlSFWDo95ou6SaF1bg611/ENJp7 wa0DWHWjQmN8ExNSk/si14Ooe6i50DWcWZZ+fd3JRCN/792QVpiF2/03/3DQdo/NkfKE aUEWifbwokBcM5mUs5QHfft79acE7VnjUPFmPPRjQkxkY5JcSeHU4/EMNvChl0n0r5BJ EYzw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUx+KGnCtOVV26nrJJHp4pNoYTWrU4c2TSX0/sLPMGX6K/bsGqC rozfcJ5Wloaiqs8NCkdYStIbpVX5bhWBQCwJwFA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwKqj/j/7pYLGz1Fm0UQLV9evWOZz8zWAcrCOzfAxwKChNxWWTignOchyLF/0qJ5WnlkUQDLgGG8kNDTSPkGYY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8b8c:: with SMTP id ay12mr24075303plb.251.1568049589675; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <415e3da4-1635-421d-bd04-08e6a824ef5b@default> <83ef0p30wm.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83ef0p30wm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 19:19:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#36922: [PATCH] Add defalias toolbar-mode for tool-bar-mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36922 Cc: Drew Adams , 36922@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 36922 + wontfix close 36922 quit Eli Zaretskii writes: > FWIW, I don't think it's terribly important to have such an alias. So > if there are people who object, perhaps we shouldn't. After all, > those who make this mistake frequently can write their private alias, > right? Thanks for taking a decision about this suggestion. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:36 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator