From unknown Sat Aug 16 21:20:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#36883: Make Gnus documentation clearer ("dumbquotes") Resent-From: Keith Thompson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 36883 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 36883@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Keith Thompson X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.156461059122243 (code B ref -1); Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:04:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2019 22:03:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53212 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hswgh-0005mg-31 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:03:11 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36435) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hswgd-0005mX-4W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:03:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57771) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hswgc-00041X-7H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:03:07 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hswgb-0003g3-7z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:03:06 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-x533.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::533]:42539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hswga-0003fF-WB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:03:05 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-x533.google.com with SMTP id v15so67207945eds.9 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=79JZqGMPLZonaakt0kf0bDQTlqkpbGMypxeqO9H+Rhs=; b=q/BVW69df1ZldM77ROATrczzP6Uje0WgWqH7FGshR/tz7C+lLI1ThyOJkCWD8bZs2l SxSS9mTQqLAV3/gLsutaIFCN1owt2CWEgJkCJ1ePpdbHkDZVy3MXuxLSaQ/N7D2u96zj dyQKC6pvlKj6zls4TxNQbKLMm/EBcOli3KihiabKKKlP5x4k0+WLH2tfa7svkKFO3ES1 bSE2YM+pNq3BTLNvWtZ+GVWKOiCZ2rzo/ziq2yzoCaWqVM6LQVMT8Fs7XICllGZ4BlHM v0FkripUrPu13cOmAAOVA3G2driH+39oCGpbUPUofwESovWvFUIVIiLvl+AxKngFn4zG 8zcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=79JZqGMPLZonaakt0kf0bDQTlqkpbGMypxeqO9H+Rhs=; b=SxyKTNEmdwYr2SU6VNLHoEZ/7B+g2zYOLL2TEh0u0cIyPGk9OI/tjM6bV8v1DKYbz+ UqlGYIW1xRq8vECJEDV1DEkl2GOQ7DdhXjj2b9W+vr3o+Ew1PTiBluZb/leJ7N5yKLYC ntV709x1apGEH6Cb7jbtQ7pTyIrq2PXpOx2lLII7ILQZAtX4Yj3MLudnWWPV0wW2+rGs ItfB92HF50GqLqI2/WKIFrEhXwEsKWiT0gpRMaBqaIyPnsnU2Hsn3/Duf5bpaHL75dt3 mgyemypx4t5DGA0aD55aj5EKL9UhxIqzgDdMeuXPUo+qNVWPgGnIDpndXbE4UKIFjhea F0gg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV3vK1gGSLOtoe1lNKPKIbdwEgNtMLIIWMte7CtGVxcCqPimT45 lKV1TjsLA5erxMCeLD2poWWXtjIRzJ7dsBR9dSMfYXk1qFQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx1+FJdUBvY2/y1AoLa6I6nGKVFPPrwuJwNTA1p7haF8EzQEkIdwvasBrFSD+0A7puOfMwyViFO0wA0kbxpegc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:f91:: with SMTP id q17mr13048489ejj.297.1564610582908; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:03:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Thompson Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:02:51 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::533 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Emacs 26.2.90, Gnus v5.1 The Gnus info documentation includes the following: =E2=80=98W d=E2=80=99 Treat M****s*** sm*rtq**t*s according to =E2=80=98gnus-article-dumbquotes-map=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98gnus-article-t= reat-dumbquotes=E2=80=99). Note that this function guesses whether a character is a sm*rtq**t* or not, so it should only be used interactively. Sm*rtq**t*s are M****s***=E2=80=99s unilateral extension to the charac= ter map in an attempt to provide more quoting characters. If you see something like =E2=80=98\222=E2=80=99 or =E2=80=98\264=E2=80=99 where = you=E2=80=99re expecting some kind of apostrophe or quotation mark, then try this wash. I suggest changing "M****s***" to "Micrsoft" and "sm*rtq**t*s" to "smartquo= tes" throughout. I'd also suggest changing the command names "article-treat-dumbquotes" and "gnus-article-treat-dumbquotes" to refer to "smartquotes" rather than "dumbquotes", probably keeping the existing names as aliases. IMHO documentation should make it easy to search without being an obstacle to understanding. I don't object to snark, but it shoudn't come at the expense of clarity. From unknown Sat Aug 16 21:20:33 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#36883: Make Gnus documentation clearer ("dumbquotes") Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 22:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36883 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Keith Thompson Cc: 36883@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 36883-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36883.1569278597352 (code B ref 36883); Mon, 23 Sep 2019 22:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 36883) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2019 22:43:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37250 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCX37-00005c-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:43:17 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:47388) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCX35-00005P-Jh for 36883@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:43:16 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCX31-0004x2-K8; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 00:43:13 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 00:43:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Keith Thompson's message of "Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:02:51 -0700") Message-ID: <87a7au63cw.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Keith Thompson writes: > I'd also suggest changing the command names "article-treat-dumbquotes" > and "gnus-article-treat-dumbquotes" to refer to "smartquotes" rather than > "dumbquotes", probably keeping the existing names [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Keith Thompson writes: > I'd also suggest changing the command names "article-treat-dumbquotes" > and "gnus-article-treat-dumbquotes" to refer to "smartquotes" rather than > "dumbquotes", probably keeping the existing names as aliases. I've now done so in Emacs 27. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 23 18:43:23 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2019 22:43:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37253 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCX3C-000062-Mz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:43:22 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:47402) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCX3A-00005l-La for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:43:21 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCX37-0004xB-Sr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 00:43:19 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 00:43:17 +0200 Message-Id: <878sqe63cq.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #36883 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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