From unknown Sat Jun 14 14:25:49 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#36786 <36786@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#36786 <36786@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System Reply-To: bug#36786 <36786@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 21:25:49 +0000 retitle 36786 Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System reassign 36786 guix submitter 36786 "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" severity 36786 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 24 10:56:14 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2019 14:56:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37853 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqIgf-0007uH-JN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:56:14 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:49784) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqIgd-0007u9-Nc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:56:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37716) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqIgc-0006m4-Cy for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:56:11 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hqIgY-0002AT-6a for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:56:08 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.de ([5.45.111.108]:43910 helo=mail.pelzflorian.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hqIgX-00029Z-Nh for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:56:06 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.localdomain (unknown [5.45.111.108]) by mail.pelzflorian.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 669E7360035 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:56:03 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=mail; t=1563980163; bh=UR87dzfhLkrMhwiCzlqsWclv9IXus8cfCZMg+B3p74c=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=jLO2eXXFbbfA+ZXbiDu9gOM4mDYiN4DUgOyVK4FDpjFS+ZlNxFH9+MopsisBXocK2 thz20FEjdgcIB2cxbEix6szfg1JkjTPgBDthvy5Yhq1JT/8ARSCitmwTvbGkUEf+I+ ZRuHLbcLFX1y/dgE1sFgFULrvhYuL6eboOCt71vI= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:56:03 +0200 From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" To: bug-guix@gnu.org Subject: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System Message-ID: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 5.45.111.108 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Back in , I wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:35:43AM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrot= e: > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 11:47:56AM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > > "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" skribis: > > > I believe issues with (some?) AMD GPUs should be mentioned in the > > > manual. Also, on the downloads page perhaps it should be mentioned > > > that there may be issues with some hardware, referring users to the > > > Hardware Considerations in the Guix manual. > >=20 > > We could do that, but these kind of kernel-side issues tend to appear > > and vanish quickly, no? But I don=E2=80=99t know much about these AM= D GPU > > issues, so I=E2=80=99m happy to do what people consider appropriate. > >=20 >=20 > My AMD GPU machine started working with VESA Xorg drivers at full resol= ution. > I reconfigured a while ago but did not test back then. Aside from the fact that 3d acceleration is out of reach for modern AMD GPUs on a linux-libre kernel, Guix had at least two further reports of trouble with old and very new AMD GPUs like: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2019-06/msg00227.html and https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2019-07/msg00179.html Part of the reason a warning about AMD GPUs should be considered is that AMD Radeon is often claimed to be usable with drivers that are =E2=80=9Centirely free and open-source software=E2=80=9D (), making people believe they do not require nonfree firmware. I suppose but do not know that recent Nvidia hardware works without 3d acceleration, even when the Nouveau Xorg driver does not support it yet. I suppose but am unsure if recent Intel GPUs work out of the box without blobs. If correct, this would make AMD in particular notable. On the other hand, Pierre Neidhard commented at that many AMD GPUs work well. Possibly I am overly negative because my computer is affected as well. Still, I think the hardware considerations section in the manual should list at least that Xorg graphics on some AMD GPUs do not work and that using the console might require tweaks like modprobe.blacklist=3Dradeon. The website too should tell users on the downloads page that, even though most machines work well, wi-fi vendors like Broadcom and graphics card vendor AMD refuse to make *some* of their devices work with the linux-libre kernel used by Guix System. Regards, Florian From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 24 11:42:53 2019 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2019 15:42:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqJPp-0000ob-Je for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:42:53 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.de ([5.45.111.108]:46374 helo=mail.pelzflorian.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqJPm-0000oQ-U2 for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:42:51 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.localdomain (unknown [5.45.111.108]) by mail.pelzflorian.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B73F360035 for <36786@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:42:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=mail; t=1563982969; bh=GX5sDfN7vIB/4I0DAcM6rckJN8CzeDbtU2P5ndKFzcg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=l1MQpUikuC++4HbJl0MovtBiu19KNusRVJ0dF5CGypiTpcHYrxQOgYrMpQ3Z/F0/B FubKlt7FncFfpRmWZyavZKvUKMAmBgyRKpA8GeFy4eP/RR1cxNooj7qhCvrNsedVDy McOxnf6D+o6ByFJlZaoTUOVQ1ljT6du/ibTD7rdQ= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:42:49 +0200 From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" To: 36786@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36786: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System Message-ID: <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> References: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 04:56:03PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > very new AMD GPUs like: > […] > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2019-07/msg00179.html > Sorry. The reporter said this GPU is a Radeon R9 280X 3G. I was wrong to believe it was a new GPU just because the CPU was reported to be recent. It is from the same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_Rx_200_series as my AMD GPU. We could make a list of known bad GPUs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 24 13:53:31 2019 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2019 17:53:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37956 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqLSF-0004Y0-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:53:31 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.de ([5.45.111.108]:46524 helo=mail.pelzflorian.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqLSD-0004Xr-6w for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:53:30 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.localdomain (unknown [5.45.111.108]) by mail.pelzflorian.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B68FB360035 for <36786@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:53:27 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=mail; t=1563990807; bh=sIRWmpJ3X7I8orV1FB3t1evC0NacvwoIJMiFPshoWq0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=TMG+G4uL8viNxpmVGhajCQPtoxEDx64Z/CtMaggOig/NU1B+8IFPGUP0YE6McEgyU njBpWBH4nEqaimxE0C5G56k/+W/QSi8v3SqWkz0B3znTzhKCTPNk5cn24eDrRGXSF/ 2a7h/CEAv4Q61ZPh7yz2O+h6eAwuCvWsYkeVYEBk= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:53:27 +0200 From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" To: 36786@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36786: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System Message-ID: <20190724175327.lx2e53it46xnjxz6@pelzflorian.localdomain> References: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 05:42:49PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > We could make a list of known bad GPUs. > When thinking about it, a list of known bad GPUs might be legally safer than saying AMD GPUs are often bad. Regards, Florian From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 24 15:05:21 2019 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2019 19:05:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqMZl-0000af-4L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:05:21 -0400 Received: from sender4-of-o53.zoho.com ([136.143.188.53]:21335) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqMZg-0000aU-VY for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:05:17 -0400 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1563995111; cv=none; d=zoho.com; s=zohoarc; b=Jn78sMTfkPfScp83kKe4fwCafHkIHd5v/BJjDcM9WmR09eGrAsZ9b9HH4VcN1ConHFwogUooqxhINmN6QSRc/bAvyBgabuuLdATnQvLbqzxY96raWBKcl1iE2V63rQ9brgts+LkhiI7ykKNH/WUYi8cLNrp0qnAqP0HHMQCKde4= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zoho.com; s=zohoarc; t=1563995111; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To:ARC-Authentication-Results; bh=uPAJMmCt0PArWBdcry30znqKSxyz7rWrB7yGlgQSouw=; b=Z4Ig4E2InOoNxdHMeDqvDnH/RMsKgFX/wFyRbdny37HCmPFPCQhSWIIvEgZotL0GAuJuv3VQaxO9J7ljaxk99EPL6dQQHXGOSAwB2RSM1RsgJ8elNjIFSNR6+d9HRBEDx8VCmD9/RxaVziEJgOxlfjM11UlaJOU5a9Dt5QC4eM8= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zoho.com; dkim=pass header.i=elephly.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=rekado@elephly.net; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1563995111; s=zoho; d=elephly.net; i=rekado@elephly.net; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; l=1071; bh=uPAJMmCt0PArWBdcry30znqKSxyz7rWrB7yGlgQSouw=; b=ILIl/5tUceepu54/YGUCetSDRVHL/UFvXZCayWH4nCLQduz9PaPZCVnkZEo1C/aQ c4NZOTrd5IEOgSvHRH+occTSu0EKuQS3FwRgWbk4U0Fd77UpoJdMkkZv9EZKt/Mcjvj GPtuziUgrezo6r1O8lQNnxcf6z8/LUUcXMmMczSw= Received: from localhost (p54AD48C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.173.72.196]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1563995110535791.7499242640476; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:05:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724175327.lx2e53it46xnjxz6@pelzflorian.localdomain> User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 From: Ricardo Wurmus To: pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de Subject: Re: bug#36786: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System In-reply-to: <20190724175327.lx2e53it46xnjxz6@pelzflorian.localdomain> X-URL: https://elephly.net X-PGP-Key: https://elephly.net/rekado.pubkey X-PGP-Fingerprint: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:05:06 +0200 Message-ID: <874l3bb6e5.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 Cc: 36786@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) writes: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 05:42:49PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrot= e: >> We could make a list of known bad GPUs. >> > > When thinking about it, a list of known bad GPUs might be legally > safer than saying AMD GPUs are often bad. I sympathize with the frustration that comes along with the realization that hardware you own cannot be used with free software. I would like to alert people to the fact that certain GPUs won=E2=80=99t be usable with linux-libre. I just think that there might be a better distro-independent place for this kind of information. Some free distros suggest checking for free software compatibility on h-node.org, a shared resource. That=E2=80=99s al= so where we could record known bad GPUs. (h-node.org isn=E2=80=99t the prettiest resource out there, but perhaps thi= s can be changed.) Do you think it would be enough if we pointed to h-node.org and mentioned kernel flags that might be useful in certain generic cases? -- Ricardo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 24 17:23:00 2019 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2019 21:23:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38135 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqOix-0006op-Pg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:23:00 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.de ([5.45.111.108]:46718 helo=mail.pelzflorian.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqOiu-0006og-Nr for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:22:57 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.localdomain (unknown [5.45.111.108]) by mail.pelzflorian.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59D3C360035; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:22:55 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=mail; t=1564003375; bh=Kc32N+c57vz22Y5QhzcvpbrN2UKuI4cLUb94S5hpZYI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=jA3d8eUVBU+ofaSOiA3LdHyBFtux7ipSmrdI1yNXETF3xpWNa7DvM4rMIMjfa8DBT fyZwJ4CiVDvttIXixRiL7ZYvedH2RyrFbiA9LMTly5zyg4p41iafVvxNmzVgU4DtqJ BdmoZLFhVXslKCEnsLuwR8dT47JcTk12O0a6BGvc= Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:22:54 +0200 From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" To: Ricardo Wurmus Subject: Re: bug#36786: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System Message-ID: <20190724212254.6odl6pfn42y3rytj@pelzflorian.localdomain> References: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724175327.lx2e53it46xnjxz6@pelzflorian.localdomain> <874l3bb6e5.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="qj37fyav7bjrqc2l" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <874l3bb6e5.fsf@elephly.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 Cc: 36786@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --qj37fyav7bjrqc2l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 09:05:06PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > Do you think it would be enough if we pointed to h-node.org and > mentioned kernel flags that might be useful in certain generic cases? > Yes, that is a very good suggestion and easiest to do. I did not think about h-node… The manual already points there, but the website should too. Then this bug can be closed, I think. Find attached a patch that mentions the kernel flag in the manual’s Hardware Considerations section. I do not know if a separate section would be better. (The alternative kernel flag “nomodeset” was reported to not work as well, so I did not mention it, see here: ) h-node currently appears to have no information on those video cards. I will take a look at how to add information there later. Regards, Florian --qj37fyav7bjrqc2l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-doc-Mention-AMD-Radeon-workaround-when-TTYs-are-not-.patch" >From e88ee68c09266e1d09d24ff0d1b6ec6a4708841b Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Florian Pelz Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:02:21 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] doc: Mention AMD Radeon workaround when TTYs are not redrawn. * doc/guix.texi (Hardware Considerations): Describe workaround. --- doc/guix.texi | 18 ++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 18 insertions(+) diff --git a/doc/guix.texi b/doc/guix.texi index f6d9718f59..b9e18e55c4 100644 --- a/doc/guix.texi +++ b/doc/guix.texi @@ -1879,6 +1879,24 @@ Another useful resource is the @uref{https://www.h-node.org/, H-Node} web site. It contains a catalog of hardware devices with information about their support in GNU/Linux. +Some hardware requires specific tweaks to work better with Guix System. The +following is an incomplete list of known workarounds: + +@itemize +@item +Some @emph{AMD Radeon} graphics cards stop redrawing the virtual console TTYs +when booting because of an error with Kernel Mode Setting. The problem +disappears when blacklisting the kernel module for the driver. To do so, you +can add @code{modprobe.blacklist=radeon} to the Linux-libre kernel flags, +either for only one boot by pressing the @kbd{e} key in the GRUB bootloader +and adding this kernel flag to the end of the @code{linux} command-line, or +permanently by changing the @code{kernel-arguments} field in your +@code{operating-system} declaration, e.g.: + +@example +(kernel-arguments '("quiet" "modprobe.blacklist=radeon")) +@end example +@end itemize @node USB Stick and DVD Installation @section USB Stick and DVD Installation -- 2.22.0 --qj37fyav7bjrqc2l-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 25 19:04:51 2019 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2019 23:04:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqmn5-0006d0-3V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:04:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53601) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqmn1-0006cm-Fb for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:04:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52741) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hqmmw-0001dE-7q; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:04:42 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=49998 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hqmmv-0000ZN-Oc; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:04:42 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Ricardo Wurmus Subject: Re: bug#36786: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System References: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724175327.lx2e53it46xnjxz6@pelzflorian.localdomain> <874l3bb6e5.fsf@elephly.net> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 8 Thermidor an 227 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:04:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <874l3bb6e5.fsf@elephly.net> (Ricardo Wurmus's message of "Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:05:06 +0200") Message-ID: <87zhl1pvg7.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 Cc: 36786@debbugs.gnu.org, pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ricardo Wurmus skribis: > pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) writes: > >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 05:42:49PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wro= te: >>> We could make a list of known bad GPUs. >>> >> >> When thinking about it, a list of known bad GPUs might be legally >> safer than saying AMD GPUs are often bad. > > I sympathize with the frustration that comes along with the realization > that hardware you own cannot be used with free software. I would like > to alert people to the fact that certain GPUs won=E2=80=99t be usable with > linux-libre. > > I just think that there might be a better distro-independent place for > this kind of information. Some free distros suggest checking for free > software compatibility on h-node.org, a shared resource. That=E2=80=99s = also > where we could record known bad GPUs. > > (h-node.org isn=E2=80=99t the prettiest resource out there, but perhaps t= his can > be changed.) What about adding a few words under =E2=80=9CHardware Considerations=E2=80= =9D? Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 26 01:57:09 2019 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jul 2019 05:57:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqtE5-0001ib-1o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:57:09 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.de ([5.45.111.108]:48552 helo=mail.pelzflorian.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqtE2-0001iS-UF for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:57:07 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.localdomain (unknown [5.45.111.108]) by mail.pelzflorian.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 296753600FA; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:57:05 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=mail; t=1564120625; bh=vsHFrnkm1KAOuGFF4h0PxC7le9Lbw1VtrjIIWIlqCkQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=wAcXLjshU2M0GoD8n1/DgrYTEDUoFJQcr9bbecdREgbLST2C27HOPtL3cq3y6Tm1s YyIZnA987UnObvpk2odmHmGisRz7Y8fVb11JCwKI5jsmlHNQVyG/59PNDsnra3ZxxX T90ahTNkvNO5s/kOmmSxfDm8aeGCaOFjSBFNh1Qs= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:57:04 +0200 From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: bug#36786: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System Message-ID: <20190726055704.vev4wy56q5osznzi@pelzflorian.localdomain> References: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724175327.lx2e53it46xnjxz6@pelzflorian.localdomain> <874l3bb6e5.fsf@elephly.net> <87zhl1pvg7.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87zhl1pvg7.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 Cc: Ricardo Wurmus , 36786@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 01:04:40AM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > What about adding a few words under “Hardware Considerations”? > While my patch before addresses AMD-specific tweaks in the manual under Hardware Considerations, it is not enough if on the *download page* Guix is claimed to run on “an i686, x86_64, ARMv7, or AArch64 machine“ without saying linux-libre *on some hardware, is not supported* and referencing the Hardware Considerations section and h-node, I think. Regards, Florian From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 26 11:56:41 2019 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jul 2019 15:56:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43244 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hr2aG-0004nV-PU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:56:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hr2aD-0004nH-P1 for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:56:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51291) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hr2a7-0006hB-73; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:56:31 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=60610 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hr2a1-0003x3-WF; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:56:27 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" Subject: Re: bug#36786: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System References: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724175327.lx2e53it46xnjxz6@pelzflorian.localdomain> <874l3bb6e5.fsf@elephly.net> <87zhl1pvg7.fsf@gnu.org> <20190726055704.vev4wy56q5osznzi@pelzflorian.localdomain> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:56:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20190726055704.vev4wy56q5osznzi@pelzflorian.localdomain> (pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de's message of "Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:57:04 +0200") Message-ID: <87o91glrh4.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 Cc: Ricardo Wurmus , 36786@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Florian, "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" skribis: > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 01:04:40AM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >> What about adding a few words under =E2=80=9CHardware Considerations=E2= =80=9D? Oops, I hadn=E2=80=99t seen your patch when I replied. > While my patch before addresses AMD-specific tweaks in the manual > under Hardware Considerations, it is not enough if on the *download > page* Guix is claimed to run on =E2=80=9Can i686, x86_64, ARMv7, or AArch= 64 > machine=E2=80=9C without saying linux-libre *on some hardware, is not > supported* and referencing the Hardware Considerations section and > h-node, I think. Well, =E2=80=98Limitations=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98Hardware Considerations=E2= =80=99 are the first sections one see when following =E2=80=98Installation Instructions=E2=80=99 at . We can always move things one level higher, but eventually everything ends up at the top level. :-) > >From e88ee68c09266e1d09d24ff0d1b6ec6a4708841b Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Florian Pelz > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:02:21 +0200 > Subject: [PATCH] doc: Mention AMD Radeon workaround when TTYs are not red= rawn. >=20 > * doc/guix.texi (Hardware Considerations): Describe workaround. [=E2=80=A6] > +Some hardware requires specific tweaks to work better with Guix System. = The > +following is an incomplete list of known workarounds: > + > +@itemize > +@item > +Some @emph{AMD Radeon} graphics cards stop redrawing the virtual console= TTYs > +when booting because of an error with Kernel Mode Setting. The problem > +disappears when blacklisting the kernel module for the driver. To do so= , you > +can add @code{modprobe.blacklist=3Dradeon} to the Linux-libre kernel fla= gs, > +either for only one boot by pressing the @kbd{e} key in the GRUB bootloa= der > +and adding this kernel flag to the end of the @code{linux} command-line,= or > +permanently by changing the @code{kernel-arguments} field in your > +@code{operating-system} declaration, e.g.: > + > +@example > +(kernel-arguments '("quiet" "modprobe.blacklist=3Dradeon")) > +@end example > +@end itemize I think this doesn=E2=80=99t fit well here: the previous paragraphs are abo= ut RYF, h-node.org, and the more general issue. Like Ricardo wrote, since this is not Guix-specific, it would be great if we could link to other resources on this topic. Are you aware of any such on-line resource? If there=E2=80=99s no such thing, then we should definitely add this information, but perhaps we should move the paragraph a bit higher (next to Wifi), and possibly turn Wifi into an item of this list. WDYT? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 26 16:03:31 2019 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jul 2019 20:03:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hr6R7-0004Sk-Re for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:03:30 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.de ([5.45.111.108]:49360 helo=mail.pelzflorian.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hr6R5-0004Sc-NE for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:03:28 -0400 Received: from pelzflorian.localdomain (unknown [5.45.111.108]) by mail.pelzflorian.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 623CD360035; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:03:26 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=mail; t=1564171406; bh=zB3YwOZMw7K525fko9QO+0BsH351+XPep5wcVn4TL5A=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=D08dBIkdpvvBiK+nQ9hQsBtvUz+KAGAFEcyDOBYXz3oI3DGyR+F9y7DPB0MWy+GYe +DyFGWvAOoQrwXsmvxL1Cnzo/P4WDscHulxQvHrEM3UtZmlHYuRtWTKRIa11wEdpN/ g281vTNDige9qMruIHcqFS3dAGI6L/QnOg2yJTOw= Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:03:26 +0200 From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: bug#36786: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System Message-ID: <20190726200325.25npy5xwkjp7m353@pelzflorian.localdomain> References: <20190724145602.vtpnqd6kxexypdmx@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724154249.qgd4ganifakxmo2f@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20190724175327.lx2e53it46xnjxz6@pelzflorian.localdomain> <874l3bb6e5.fsf@elephly.net> <87zhl1pvg7.fsf@gnu.org> <20190726055704.vev4wy56q5osznzi@pelzflorian.localdomain> <87o91glrh4.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87o91glrh4.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 Cc: Ricardo Wurmus , 36786@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 05:56:23PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" skribis: > > While my patch before addresses AMD-specific tweaks in the manual > > under Hardware Considerations, it is not enough if on the *download > > page* Guix is claimed to run on “an i686, x86_64, ARMv7, or AArch64 > > machine“ without saying linux-libre *on some hardware, is not > > supported* and referencing the Hardware Considerations section and > > h-node, I think. > > Well, ‘Limitations’ and ‘Hardware Considerations’ are the first sections > one see when following ‘Installation Instructions’ at > . We can always move things one level > higher, but eventually everything ends up at the top level. :-) > I would rather see a more prominent link to the manual and h-node where on the downloads page it says “runs on i686, x86_64, ARM”, because I suppose many people do not read the manual until they know they need to, and instead expect things to just work, especially now that there’s a graphical installer. > > >From e88ee68c09266e1d09d24ff0d1b6ec6a4708841b Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > > From: Florian Pelz > > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:02:21 +0200 > > Subject: [PATCH] doc: Mention AMD Radeon workaround when TTYs are not redrawn. > > > > * doc/guix.texi (Hardware Considerations): Describe workaround. > > […] > > I think this doesn’t fit well here: the previous paragraphs are about > RYF, h-node.org, and the more general issue. > > Like Ricardo wrote, since this is not Guix-specific, it would be great > if we could link to other resources on this topic. Are you aware of any > such on-line resource? > > If there’s no such thing, then we should definitely add this > information, but perhaps we should move the paragraph a bit higher (next > to Wifi), and possibly turn Wifi into an item of this list. WDYT? > Yes, I agree this is not a good place in the manual. However, I thought of it more as a list of hardware-specific *and* Guix-specific tweaks. Note that the patch does not mention Xorg not working on some AMD GPUs (h-node is the place for that, even though currently it does not yet list many AMD Radeons), instead the patch is about hardware-specific tweaks that can be made. For example, a recommendation of thinkfan for Thinkpads could be placed in such a section too (once there is a Guix service for thinkfan; I do not know how important thinkfan is and do not own a Thinkpad, it is just an example). The Arch wiki for example has articles on various specific kinds of hardware. Regards, Florian From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 07 12:42:44 2021 Received: (at 36786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2021 17:42:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mueUG-0006Cf-73 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 12:42:44 -0500 Received: from cyberdimension.org ([80.67.179.20]:33670 helo=gnutoo.cyberdimension.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mueUD-0006CW-JK for 36786@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 12:42:42 -0500 Received: from gnutoo.cyberdimension.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cyberdimension.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 434f60f9 for <36786@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 17:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from primarylaptop.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [::1]) by gnutoo.cyberdimension.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 019b3514 for <36786@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 17:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 18:42:52 +0100 From: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli To: 36786@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: Warn of AMD GPUs unusable with Guix System Message-ID: <20211207184252.66ea8c2a@primarylaptop.localdomain> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.0.0 (GTK+ 3.24.30; i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/5xbPjlG__TQ8ymtpdh7DXap"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36786 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --Sig_/5xbPjlG__TQ8ymtpdh7DXap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would it be better to find a way to fix these issue rather than warn people about it? They look realatively easy to fix. For the Radeon / AMDGPU drivers to work, you need: - A patch need to be upstreamed in linux-libre for the GPU family to make the driver load. That patch needs to be tested on real hardware. - Potentially some configuration for Xorg for recent cards to account for the lack of hardware 2D acceleration. Without it we could have something like that (from Parabola): '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so: undefined symbol: exaGetPixmapDriverPrivate' The Libreplanet wiki[1] has all the information about that. If each person with an unsupported GPU and a bit of skills (it requires to compile linux-libre) and a bit of time (it should not take that long, it'll probably be something between less than 1 hour to 1 day), or that we try to help people with these GPU doing that, we could fix it for good. I already did it for all the AMD GPUs I had access to, but despite the fact that it's really a low hanging fruit, only 1 person that needed a lot of help tried to follow these tutorials (though I didn't manage to find the time it required to help that person until the end). All the information about was added in the libreplanet wiki[1] as it is relevant to most GNU/Linux FSDG compliant distributions and the problem is not specific to a given distribution. 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Closing. Documenting non-working hardware is no longer necessary since warnings were prominently added within the installer, as discussed at . From unknown Sat Jun 14 14:25:49 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 12:24:09 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator