From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:00 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 36766 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 36766@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.156382096226590 (code B ref -1); Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:43:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jul 2019 18:42:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33624 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGj-0006um-Ks for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:41 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52805) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGh-0006uc-9P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGg-0008S2-EH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGf-0003DV-JL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:38 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:55552 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGf-0003D1-Fm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C603FA023 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:42:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 52.70.2.18 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be bailing on Gnus startup if a nntp server isn't available. Now that Gnus doesn't insist on being a newsreader, there's no reason why it should ever bail on startup, no matter what happened. The only bit of the function that looks like it should be kept is: (gnus-agent-read-servers-validate-native gnus-select-method) Which updates from earlier versions, but that bit could be moved elsewhere. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:00 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36766 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: 36766@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 36766-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36766.156390282428034 (code B ref 36766); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 36766) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2019 17:27:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyZ5-0007I6-Km for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:27:03 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41880) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyZ3-0007He-Hc for 36766@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:27:01 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyZ0-0002Ep-0o; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:27:00 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:26:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:42:33 -0700") Message-ID: <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place > where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and > `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be > ba [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen writes: > I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place > where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and > `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be > bailing on Gnus startup if a nntp server isn't available. Yes, so when gnus-nntp-server is removed, that function should be removed (is the plan). It's only been obsolete since 24.1, though, so that sounds too soon. Perhaps for Emacs 28? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:00 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server In-Reply-To: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36766 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 36766@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.156390690427507 (code B ref -1); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:36:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2019 18:35:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35632 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcu-00079b-1b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:35:04 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:40339) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcr-00079E-Q5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:35:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41815) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcq-0005w9-QX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:35:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcp-00042E-UE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:35:00 -0400 Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:57004 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcp-000410-Nf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:34:59 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcl-000ArY-6M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:34:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Eric Abrahamsen Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:V8MRYC0oCd6aSxdYfuOI7pHPWL4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place >> where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and >> `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be >> bailing on Gnus startup if a nntp server isn't available. > > Yes, so when gnus-nntp-server is removed, that function should be > removed (is the plan). It's only been obsolete since 24.1, though, so > that sounds too soon. Perhaps for Emacs 28? Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:00 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36766 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: 36766@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 36766-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36766.15640472519846 (code B ref 36766); Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 36766) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2019 09:34:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38362 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqa8Y-0002Yk-TG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 05:34:11 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41266) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqa8W-0002Ya-2r for 36766@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 05:34:09 -0400 Received: from 109.179.27.28.tmi.telenormobil.no ([109.179.27.28] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hqa8R-00039V-L7; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:34:06 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:34:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:34:49 -0700") Message-ID: <87r26ecvav.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess > I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. I don't think that's necessary... perhaps just add a comment to the line before gnus-nntp-server that this function should be removed at the same time? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess > I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. I don't think that's necessary... perhaps just add a comment to the line before gnus-nntp-server that this function should be removed at the same time? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:00 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server In-Reply-To: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36766 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 36766@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: 36766-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.1564071226699 (code B ref -1); Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:14:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2019 16:13:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40292 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgNF-0000BC-LW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:45 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgNA-0000At-JE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58381) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN9-0004RP-KW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:40 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN8-0003rO-P3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:39 -0400 Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:52058 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN8-0003qb-HO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:38 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN5-0009TG-9B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:13:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Eric Abrahamsen Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:13:29 -0700 Message-ID: <87v9vqf5xy.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87r26ecvav.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Gt6G64OyqOKf9sgxwplc4h5y4SU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess >> I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. > > I don't think that's necessary... perhaps just add a comment to the > line before gnus-nntp-server that this function should be removed at the > same time? Okay, will do. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:00 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: bug#36766: closed (Re: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server) Message-ID: References: <87v9vqf5xy.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 36766 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs,gnus Reply-To: 36766@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:14:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1564071243-740-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1564071243-740-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server which was filed against the emacs,gnus package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 36766@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 36766: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D36766 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1564071243-740-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 36766-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2019 16:13:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40289 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgNA-0000Au-M3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:42 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:48424 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN8-0000Af-8G for 36766-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EAE71FA097 for <36766-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:13:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87r26ecvav.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:13:29 -0700 Message-ID: <87v9vqf5xy.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Gt6G64OyqOKf9sgxwplc4h5y4SU= In-Reply-To: <87r26ecvav.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:34:00 +0200") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Posted-To: gmane.emacs.bugs X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36766-done Cc: 36766-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to gmane.emacs.bugs as well. Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess >> I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. > > I don't think that's necessary... perhaps just add a comment to the > line before gnus-nntp-server that this function should be removed at the > same time? Okay, will do. ------------=_1564071243-740-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jul 2019 18:42:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33624 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGj-0006um-Ks for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:41 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52805) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGh-0006uc-9P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGg-0008S2-EH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGf-0003DV-JL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:38 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:55552 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGf-0003D1-Fm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C603FA023 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:42:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server X-Debbugs-Package: emacs,gnus Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 52.70.2.18 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be bailing on Gnus startup if a nntp server isn't available. Now that Gnus doesn't insist on being a newsreader, there's no reason why it should ever bail on startup, no matter what happened. The only bit of the function that looks like it should be kept is: (gnus-agent-read-servers-validate-native gnus-select-method) Which updates from earlier versions, but that bit could be moved elsewhere. ------------=_1564071243-740-1--