From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 22 14:42:42 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jul 2019 18:42:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33624 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGj-0006um-Ks for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:41 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52805) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGh-0006uc-9P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGg-0008S2-EH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGf-0003DV-JL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:38 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:55552 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpdGf-0003D1-Fm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:42:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C603FA023 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:42:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server X-Debbugs-Package: emacs,gnus Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 52.70.2.18 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be bailing on Gnus startup if a nntp server isn't available. Now that Gnus doesn't insist on being a newsreader, there's no reason why it should ever bail on startup, no matter what happened. The only bit of the function that looks like it should be kept is: (gnus-agent-read-servers-validate-native gnus-select-method) Which updates from earlier versions, but that bit could be moved elsewhere. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 23 13:27:03 2019 Received: (at 36766) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2019 17:27:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyZ5-0007I6-Km for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:27:03 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41880) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyZ3-0007He-Hc for 36766@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:27:01 -0400 Received: from [80.169.244.84] (helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpyZ0-0002Ep-0o; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:27:00 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:26:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:42:33 -0700") Message-ID: <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place > where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and > `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be > ba [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36766 Cc: 36766@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen writes: > I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place > where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and > `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be > bailing on Gnus startup if a nntp server isn't available. Yes, so when gnus-nntp-server is removed, that function should be removed (is the plan). It's only been obsolete since 24.1, though, so that sounds too soon. Perhaps for Emacs 28? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 23 14:35:04 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2019 18:35:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35632 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcu-00079b-1b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:35:04 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:40339) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcr-00079E-Q5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:35:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41815) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcq-0005w9-QX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:35:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcp-00042E-UE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:35:00 -0400 Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:57004 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcp-000410-Nf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:34:59 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpzcl-000ArY-6M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:34:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:V8MRYC0oCd6aSxdYfuOI7pHPWL4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> I think this function can be removed entirely. It is the only place >> where the obsolete variables `gnus-nntp-server' and >> `gnus-secondary-servers' are referenced, and its main job seems to be >> bailing on Gnus startup if a nntp server isn't available. > > Yes, so when gnus-nntp-server is removed, that function should be > removed (is the plan). It's only been obsolete since 24.1, though, so > that sounds too soon. Perhaps for Emacs 28? Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 25 05:34:11 2019 Received: (at 36766) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2019 09:34:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38362 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqa8Y-0002Yk-TG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 05:34:11 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:41266) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqa8W-0002Ya-2r for 36766@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 05:34:09 -0400 Received: from 109.179.27.28.tmi.telenormobil.no ([109.179.27.28] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hqa8R-00039V-L7; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:34:06 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:34:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:34:49 -0700") Message-ID: <87r26ecvav.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess > I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. I don't think that's necessary... perhaps just add a comment to the line before gnus-nntp-server that this function should be removed at the same time? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36766 Cc: 36766@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess > I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. I don't think that's necessary... perhaps just add a comment to the line before gnus-nntp-server that this function should be removed at the same time? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 25 12:13:45 2019 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2019 16:13:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40292 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgNF-0000BC-LW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:45 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgNA-0000At-JE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58381) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN9-0004RP-KW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:40 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN8-0003rO-P3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:39 -0400 Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:52058 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN8-0003qb-HO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:13:38 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hqgN5-0009TG-9B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:13:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#36766: 27.0.50; Remove gnus-start-news-server Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:13:29 -0700 Message-ID: <87v9vqf5xy.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87h87d7vxi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7d41x26.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87k1c84n1y.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87r26ecvav.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Gt6G64OyqOKf9sgxwplc4h5y4SU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 36766-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Oh! I was getting ahead of things, sorry. 28 sounds fine to me. I guess >> I'll leave this bug report open for when the time comes. > > I don't think that's necessary... perhaps just add a comment to the > line before gnus-nntp-server that this function should be removed at the > same time? Okay, will do. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:56:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator