Package: emacs;
Reported by: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:04:01 UTC
Severity: minor
Found in version 27.0.50
Fixed in version 29.1
Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
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From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:03:33 +0200
completing-read is not accepting spaces when require-match is nil I have discovered I could use C-q SPACE to enter space and get any input such as "two words" (completing-read "Hello: " '("Something here" "more here") nil nil) The above function is accepting any input, not just completions, but spaces cannot be entered. I think that it is not logical if it says "any input" that spaces cannot be entered and it is in that sense possible bug. Further, if it is intended to be so, then there shall be documented that spaces cannot be entered or otherwise only with C-q SPACE The documentation says: completing-read is a built-in function in ‘src/minibuf.c’. (completing-read PROMPT COLLECTION &optional PREDICATE REQUIRE-MATCH INITIAL-INPUT HIST DEF INHERIT-INPUT-METHOD) REQUIRE-MATCH can take the following values: - nil means that the user can exit with any input. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 11, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2019-07-18 built on protected.rcdrun.com Repository revision: a4e57274cc3ad920d6113700ce6496e85eb66ebb Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11906000 System Description: Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre Recent messages: Mark set Quit Mark set previous-line: Beginning of buffer [24 times] Saved text until " exit if it does non-null completion. " Quit Mark set Making completion list... Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/package/text/emacs-2019-07-18 --with-modules --without-pop --with-mailutils --with-x-toolkit=lucid --without-gpm' Configured features: XAW3D XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS LUCID X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 GMP Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Help Minor modes in effect: display-time-mode: t TeX-PDF-mode: t highlight-changes-visible-mode: t say-minor-mode: t strokes-mode: t dynamic-completion-mode: t jabber-activity-mode: t show-paren-mode: t guide-key-mode: t persistent-scratch-autosave-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t auto-compile-on-load-mode: t auto-compile-on-save-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t 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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>, 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 20:14:43 +0000 (UTC)
> completing-read is not accepting spaces when require-match is nil > > I have discovered I could use C-q SPACE to enter space and get any > input > such as "two words" > > (completing-read "Hello: " '("Something here" "more here") nil nil) > > The above function is accepting any input, not just completions, but > spaces cannot be entered. > > I think that it is not logical if it says "any input" that spaces > cannot be entered and it is in that sense possible bug. FWIW: By default, both `?' and `SPC' are self-inserting for completion in Icicles (and have been since 2004). But this is configurable, with option `icicle-completion-key-bindings'. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Icicles_-_Key_Bindings#MinibufferBindings
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From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 23:02:21 +0200
* Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> [2019-07-20 22:17]: > FWIW: By default, both `?' and `SPC' are > self-inserting for completion in Icicles > (and have been since 2004). > > But this is configurable, with option > `icicle-completion-key-bindings'. > > https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Icicles_-_Key_Bindings#MinibufferBinding That is interesting. Thank you. I have found that various completion libraries are re-using the completing-read when necessary, so I have to stick with completing-read for now, to keep it minimal, and later customizable.
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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:52:37 +0000 (UTC)
> > FWIW: By default, both `?' and `SPC' are > > self-inserting for completion in Icicles > > (and have been since 2004). (I should have said 2005.) > > But this is configurable, with option > > `icicle-completion-key-bindings'. > > That is interesting. Thank you. > > I have found that various completion libraries are > re-using the completing-read when necessary, so I > have to stick with completing-read for now, to > keep it minimal, and later customizable. (When global minor mode `icy-mode' is on, ordinary `completing-read' automatically gives you Icicles completion. When the mode is off, it gives you the vanilla Emacs behavior.) But the point was not that you should use Icicles to get this behavior. The point was that vanilla Emacs should offer it also. I suggested this long ago. After some time, at least file-name completion was changed to let `SPC' self-insert. One can hope that at some point users will get similar behavior, by default, for other completion keymaps, not just for file names. While waiting, you can bind `SPC' yourself to `self-insert-command' or whatever else you want, in any of the minibuffer keymaps. For example, bind it in `minibuffer-local-completion-map' and `minibuffer-local-must-match-map'. ____ Some old mails about letting `SPC', `?', and `C-j' self-insert by default during completion: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-04/msg00246.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-11/msg01521.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01045.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-06/msg01810.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2005-11/msg00245.html
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From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 01:13:34 +0200
* Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> [2019-07-20 23:53]: > > > FWIW: By default, both `?' and `SPC' are > > > self-inserting for completion in Icicles > > > (and have been since 2004). > > (I should have said 2005.) > > > > But this is configurable, with option > > > `icicle-completion-key-bindings'. So far I understand, icicle is some external library? I still think it is bug, either in documentation because it is not "any input" allowed, or in the function, as if any input would be allowed, then spaces should be accepted. My example is that I am giving a prefix to the subject of email, so completing-read is offering like: TASK, EXPENSES UPDATED, READ THIS Subject becomes: TASK: Do this or EXPENSES UPDATED: 2019-07-19 for Gabriel then if I wish to enter "NEWS FROM EUROPE" I cannot, as space is not accepted as such. So it makes no sense logically, to accept "EXPENSES UPDATED" as one option to complete, but not to limit me or the user to one word "any input". Thus any input shall be named "one word" with C-q SPC option in the description of the function or spaces shall be allowed, one of those.
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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 01:40:40 +0200
Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> writes: > I think that it is not logical if it says "any input" that spaces > cannot be entered and it is in that sense possible bug. I think you should read it as "any (given) input string" (is accepted). As distinguished from REQUIRE-MATCH t where RET doesn't let you exit with non matching input. So I don't see any bug in the strict sense. OTOH I think it would be good to speak out that SPC is special, and mention the C-q SPC workaround, at least in the manual (if we don't do this already - do we?). Michael.
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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 00:04:42 +0000 (UTC)
> So far I understand, icicle is some external > library? Yes, but it's not important to my point about the subject of this bug. I mentioned it to say that (1) the behavior you said you're looking for (a) is easily made available and (b) has existed for a long time in external libraries, and (2) has already been suggested for vanilla Emacs, several times in the past, to no avail. I'm glad you've filed the bug, to bring up the question again, but don't necessarily expect more success now. (I hope the request does succeed.) But you're apparently also OK with having the doc just remind users that they can input a space char using `C-q SPC'. My suggestion is rather that Emacs completion be "fixed" (enhanced), to - by default - let `SPC' itself insert a space char, i.e., be bound to `self-insert-command' or similar. Users can always change the key binding, regardless of the default behavior, but many will not think to do so, even if they might prefer to have `SPC' self-insert rather than perform a particular kind of completion (`minibuffer-complete-word'). As for having the doc for `completing-read' mention using `C-q' to insert a space char: OK, but (1) that behavior of `C-q' is general; it may be particularly helpful during completion but its use is not limited to that, and (2) it's not just `SPC'; it's also `?' and `C-j' (newline). Certainly the need to insert a newline char during completion is less common than the need to insert a space char or a `?' char. But those 3 are in the same boat, IMO: They are keys that normally insert printable chars, and they are the only such that do not, by default, self-insert during completion.
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From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:27:13 +0200
* Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> [2019-07-21 01:41]: > Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> writes: > > > I think that it is not logical if it says any input that spaces > > cannot be entered and it is in that sense possible bug. > > I think you should read it as any (given) input > string (is accepted). That is why it is bug. Either it has to be documented in the function documentation or it should be "any". One of those. > So I don't see any bug in the strict sense. OTOH I think it would be > good to speak out that SPC is special, and mention the C-q SPC > workaround, at least in the manual (if we don't do this already - do > we?). I see that it is documented for SPC to be completion of the word. And I think if many people are used to it, then SPC cannot be used as SPC. There is option to change the completion key map so users who can program they can do it easily, and I am fine too. I think function shall be described better with at least some reference within the function description to the minibuffer-local-completion-map for example as I found it there that SPC does minibuffer-complete-word However, logic is missing and function is in that sense also not doing it as promised: (let ((completion-ignore-case t)) (completing-read "Choice: " '("EXPENSES LIST" "WORK") nil nil)) Now do this: expSPCsomethingENTER and you will get "EXPENSES something" So I can add the word with spaces to those words which already exist. But I cannot enter first unknown word with space and I get message [no match]. The message [no match] disappears after some time. Maybe it would be logical to enter the space before this message appears and then to say [no match] in the same manner. I think space shall be allowed in that sense and in that particular situation when require-match is nil to allow "any input": - for reason that it does allow space after first matching word - but it does not allow space after first non-matching word - and it would not hurt any body that space is added after first non-matching word after the message [no match] have been shown - as it is logical if there is no match, but user can enter any input, to allow the user to enter space and in that sense the minibuffer-local-completion-map need not be changed at all The only change would be that after after first non-matching word if space is used, the space is added even though completion did not match. Jean
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(Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:35:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #29 received at 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:34:30 +0200
* Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> [2019-07-21 02:07]: > > So far I understand, icicle is some external > > library? > > Yes, but it's not important to my point about the subject > of this bug. I mentioned it to say that (1) the behavior > you said you're looking for (a) is easily made available > and (b) has existed for a long time in external libraries, > and (2) has already been suggested for vanilla Emacs, > several times in the past, to no avail. Sure, thank you. However, I am looking into built-in way of completing it, so that it has less dependencies, and that later those completing libraries can take over. That is how I understood how various completing libraries are working, like helm. So the completion I would leave to future choice. > But you're apparently also OK with having the doc just > remind users that they can input a space char using `C-q > SPC'. Now I found more references in Emacs Lisp manual, so there is the minibuffer-local-completion-map and I think function shall be described better with references to it. And in my previous email on this bug, you can see my proposal, which sounds logical, and which is when user is entering first non-matching word and press SPC which should complete the word by minibuffer-local-completion-map, then there is message [No match] for short time, so in case of require-match being nil, then space could be added without hurting any other behavior of the function. Because SPC can be added after first matching word. And additional non-matching word can be added to first matching word without warnings that it is no match. So I think the function could be perfected that space can be added also after first non-matching word in which case it is even more logical to allow it when require-match is nil.
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From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 10:54:20 +0100
Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> writes: > So I don't see any bug in the strict sense. OTOH I think it would be > good to speak out that SPC is special, and mention the C-q SPC > workaround, at least in the manual (if we don't do this already - do > we?). We do, see (info "(emacs) Minibuffer Edit"): Inside a minibuffer, the keys <TAB>, <SPC>, and ‘?’ are often bound to “completion commands”, which allow you to easily fill in the desired text without typing all of it. *Note Completion. As with <RET>, you can use ‘C-q’ to insert a <TAB>, <SPC>, or ‘?’ character. and (info "(emacs) Completion Commands"). -- Basil
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From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie> To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de>, 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 10:55:16 +0100
Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> writes: > * Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> [2019-07-21 01:41]: >> Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> writes: >> >> > I think that it is not logical if it says any input that spaces >> > cannot be entered and it is in that sense possible bug. >> >> I think you should read it as any (given) input >> string (is accepted). > > That is why it is bug. Either it has to be > documented in the function documentation or it > should be "any". One of those. Indeed, this could probably be clarified. -- Basil
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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:53:26 +0200
Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> writes: > That is why it is bug. Either it has to be documented in the function > documentation or it should be "any". One of those. I still think you don't get the intended meaning. "Input" here is a bit ambiguous. It could either mean "the keys you type", which AFAIU you read it, and "the contents of the minibuffer", which is how I read it: any contents are accepted. This is not wrong. It still can be clarified to be less ambiguous, of course. Michael.
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(Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:25:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #41 received at 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 01:24:02 +0200
Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> writes: > The only change would be that after after first non-matching word if > space is used, the space is added even though completion did not > match. It could still be confusing if SPC sometimes works as insert-a-space-char key and sometimes not. You still couldn't rely on it inserting a space, and your brain would still have to remember that it could mean trouble. Anyway, my opinion doesn't matter much. I don't like the behavior of space not just inserting a space - I get angry every time this happens. I wonder what others do think about it. Michael.
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(Mon, 22 Jul 2019 00:04:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #44 received at 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de>, Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:03:05 -0700 (PDT)
> I don't like the behavior of space not just inserting > a space - I get angry every time this happens. > I wonder what others do think about it. +1. (I've already stated my agreement on that.)
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(Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:23:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #47 received at 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> Cc: 36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Subject: Re: bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 16:22:17 +0100
Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> writes: > Anyway, my opinion doesn't matter much. I don't like the behavior of > space not just inserting a space - I get angry every time this happens. > I wonder what others do think about it. I absolutely loathe it, so I have: (keymap-set minibuffer-local-completion-map "SPC" #'self-insert-command) (keymap-set minibuffer-local-completion-map "?" #'self-insert-command) But I don't think this is something we can change at this point. But I've now added this to the Minibuffer Edit node in the Emacs manual. I don't think there's anything more to do in this bug report, and I'm therefore closing it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de> Cc: "36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <36745 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> Subject: RE: [External] : bug#36745: 27.0.50; completing-read with require-match nil does not accept spaces Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:24:43 +0000
> > Anyway, my opinion doesn't matter much. I don't like the behavior of > > space not just inserting a space - I get angry every time this happens. > > I wonder what others do think about it. > > I absolutely loathe it, so I have: > > (keymap-set minibuffer-local-completion-map "SPC" #'self-insert-command) > (keymap-set minibuffer-local-completion-map "?" #'self-insert-command) > > But I don't think this is something we can change at this point. Why not? You seem to change lots of things "at this point", whatever the point. I requested this changed decades ago. And I may have filed it as an enhancement-request bug. It took years for SPC to become self-inserting for (only) file-name completion. Many more years have passed since then. Courage! > But I've now added this to the Minibuffer Edit node in the Emacs manual. What did you add? Telling users that if they want sane behavior they can add such bindings themselves? Did you tell them Emacs still doesn't dare do that by default? How about proposing it in emacs-devel, or taking a user poll, to see how many users really don't want such keys to self-insert? > I don't think there's anything more to do in this bug report, and I'm > therefore closing it. All of these keys should be self-inserting during completion: SPC, ?, C-j. (Not just SPC and ?.) It's long past time to do this. There's no good reason not to do it. If you want, add an option for a list of keys to bind to word completion. [I do that in Icicles, to give users who still want word completion an alternative to SPC (and an easy way to get back SPC if they really want that to word-complete). By default, option `icicle-word-completion-keys' is the singleton list with key `M-SPC'.] Or just bind `M-SPC' to `minibuffer-complete-word' by default.
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